From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Wed Feb  1 03:09:09 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Wed Feb  1 03:22:08 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <200601312234.42408.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
References: <200601312234.42408.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
Message-ID: <42408.70.172.219.12.1138781349.squirrel@legomenon.org>


On Tue, January 31, 2006 10:34 pm, dennis e. powell said:

> and now, the more i think about it, i believe that the phrase should
> be "cindy sheehan, who has not been publicly identified as a covert
> agent of the cia" posted as frequently as possible.

That's the way to go, after the fashion of Taranto who (I credit him
-- could be wrong) gave currency to "-- who by the way served in
Vietnam --" conjoined to every mention of John F. Kerry.


-- 
Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
Still to unhappy, restless thoughts inclined:
To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.

From prather.js at verizon.net  Wed Feb  1 08:30:45 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Wed Feb  1 08:32:11 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: [eCS] Using your laptop
Message-ID: <0IU000189G7AYZT2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================

Last time I was on a plane, they wouldn't let me use my eCS
laptop.  
They told me I was in a windows seat!

<rim shot!>

Tell that one to your geekier friends.  Works with any non
windows laptop.

-- 
===============================================================
Growing older is mandatory. Growing up is optional.
Webmaster http://www.billswoodshed.com
David Eckard
===============================================================

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From prather.js at verizon.net  Wed Feb  1 08:53:40 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Wed Feb  1 08:54:11 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <200601312234.42408.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
Message-ID: <0IU0007FUH9GXBL2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:34:42 -0500, dennis e. powell wrote:

>i think that it is important that whenever cindy gets mentioned, the 
>response be "SHHHHH -- she might be with the cia."

And Sheehan struck again last night...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183392,00.html

Anything to stay in the spotlight...

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Wed Feb  1 10:25:48 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Wed Feb  1 10:27:13 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <0IU0007FUH9GXBL2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200602011525.k11FPmOV012028@oasis.novia.net>

On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:53:40 -0500 (EST), Jerry Prather wrote:

>And Sheehan struck again last night...
>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183392,00.html

>Anything to stay in the spotlight...

Sheehan, who has not been publicly identified as a covert agent of the cia




From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Wed Feb  1 10:50:09 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Wed Feb  1 10:51:13 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <200602011525.k11FPmOV012028@oasis.novia.net>
References: <200602011525.k11FPmOV012028@oasis.novia.net>
Message-ID: <200602011050.09989.dep@drippingwithirony.com>

quoth Mike Riddle:
| On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:53:40 -0500 (EST), Jerry Prather wrote:
| >And Sheehan struck again last night...
| >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183392,00.html
| >
| >Anything to stay in the spotlight...
|
| Sheehan, who has not been publicly identified as a covert agent of
| the cia

yet. we can't say for sure that it won't happen.

dep
-- 
Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From spmaiorca at cox.net  Wed Feb  1 11:56:40 2006
From: spmaiorca at cox.net (S.P. Maiorca)
Date: Wed Feb  1 11:58:14 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <200602011525.k11FPmOV012028@oasis.novia.net>
References: <200602011525.k11FPmOV012028@oasis.novia.net>
Message-ID: <200602010856.40502.spmaiorca@cox.net>

she is a nutcase there is a reason I state she is happy her son is dead.
On Wednesday 01 February 2006 7:25 am, Mike Riddle wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 08:53:40 -0500 (EST), Jerry Prather wrote:
> >And Sheehan struck again last night...
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183392,00.html
> >
> >Anything to stay in the spotlight...
>
> Sheehan, who has not been publicly identified as a covert agent of the cia
>
>
>
>
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From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Wed Feb  1 14:57:04 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Wed Feb  1 15:02:17 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Buy Danish!
Message-ID: <46314.70.172.219.12.1138823824.squirrel@legomenon.org>

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Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
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To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.

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From drepouille at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  1 17:42:59 2006
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Wed Feb  1 17:44:21 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <200602011525.k11FPmOV012028@oasis.novia.net>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV104253E1797EBC550577AADA0B0@phx.gbl>

Cindy who?
From prather.js at verizon.net  Wed Feb  1 14:26:04 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Wed Feb  1 17:49:21 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Now look who's trying to grab attention...
Message-ID: <0IU000K88WNGL6H1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5kt.htm

And isn't it known that 78% of all statistics are made up on the
spot?


Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Wed Feb  1 17:56:18 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Wed Feb  1 18:03:23 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-DAV104253E1797EBC550577AADA0B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200602012256.k11MuJKS017227@oasis.novia.net>

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:42:59 -0600, Dana Repouille wrote:

>Cindy who?

Cindy Sheehan, who has not yet been publicly identified as an 
undercover CIA operative.



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From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Wed Feb  1 18:43:47 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Wed Feb  1 18:44:21 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Now look who's trying to grab attention...
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On Wed, February 1, 2006 2:26 pm, Jerry Prather said:

> http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5kt.htm

See it on the big screen!!!:

http://media.michellemalkin.com/videos/53percent.wmv


-- 
Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
Still to unhappy, restless thoughts inclined:
To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.

From spmaiorca at cox.net  Wed Feb  1 18:43:40 2006
From: spmaiorca at cox.net (spmaiorca@cox.net)
Date: Wed Feb  1 18:45:20 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
Message-ID: <20060201234159.EQVB17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>

exactly.
> 
> From: "Dana Repouille" <drepouille@hotmail.com>
> Date: 2006/02/01 Wed PM 05:42:59 EST
> To: "'Mike Riddle'" <mriddle@oasis.novia.net>, 
>         "'Right-minded discussion of computing, politics,
> 	and life.'" <os2-right-stuff-l@jtan.com>
> Subject: RE: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
> 
> Cindy who?
> _______________________________________________
> os2-right-stuff-l mailing list
> os2-right-stuff-l@jtan.com
> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/os2-right-stuff-l
> 

From drepouille at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  1 21:36:36 2006
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Wed Feb  1 21:37:23 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <200602012256.k11MuJKS017227@oasis.novia.net>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV1633CECC447608A503308DA0A0@phx.gbl>

Yeah, but my point was, "Who cares?"

Dana 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Riddle [mailto:mriddle@oasis.novia.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:56 PM
To: Dana Repouille; Right-minded discussion of computing, politics, and
life.
Subject: RE: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:42:59 -0600, Dana Repouille wrote:

>Cindy who?

Cindy Sheehan, who has not yet been publicly identified as an 
undercover CIA operative.



From sweeks1951 at netzero.net  Wed Feb  1 22:54:02 2006
From: sweeks1951 at netzero.net (Steve Weeks)
Date: Wed Feb  1 22:55:24 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-DAV1633CECC447608A503308DA0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <PLEOKOKEGGMGDAPEFPHIKEFKCFAA.sweeks1951@netzero.net>

Dana, Cindy Sheehan ( who has not yet been publicly identified as an
undercover CIA operative) probably cares, but yeah, I get your point..
.

-----Original Message-----
From: os2-right-stuff-l-bounces@jtan.com
[mailto:os2-right-stuff-l-bounces@jtan.com]On Behalf Of Dana Repouille
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:37 PM
To: 'Right-minded discussion of computing, politics,and life.'
Subject: RE: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy

Yeah, but my point was, "Who cares?"

Dana

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Riddle [mailto:mriddle@oasis.novia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:56 PM
To: Dana Repouille; Right-minded discussion of computing, politics, and
life.
Subject: RE: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:42:59 -0600, Dana Repouille wrote:

>Cindy who?

Cindy Sheehan, who has not yet been publicly identified as an
undercover CIA operative.



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From spmaiorca at cox.net  Thu Feb  2 01:03:56 2006
From: spmaiorca at cox.net (spmaiorca@cox.net)
Date: Thu Feb  2 01:05:25 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
Message-ID: <20060202060306.XEZJ6244.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>

This was why I wrote exactly I figured you were saying who should realy care?
> 
> From: "Dana Repouille" <drepouille@hotmail.com>
> Date: 2006/02/01 Wed PM 09:36:36 EST
> To: "'Right-minded discussion of computing, politics,
> 	and life.'" <>
> Subject: RE: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
> 
> Yeah, but my point was, "Who cares?"
> 
> Dana 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Riddle [mailto:mriddle@oasis.novia.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:56 PM
> To: Dana Repouille; Right-minded discussion of computing, politics, and
> life.
> Subject: RE: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
> 
> On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:42:59 -0600, Dana Repouille wrote:
> 
> >Cindy who?
> 
> Cindy Sheehan, who has not yet been publicly identified as an 
> undercover CIA operative.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> os2-right-stuff-l mailing list
> os2-right-stuff-l@jtan.com
> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/os2-right-stuff-l
> 

From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Thu Feb  2 02:35:28 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Thu Feb  2 02:36:28 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Start anywhere...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602020232020.5396@trollboy.legomenon.org>

Take your pick of the lead articles about Denmark and Iran, and then 
scroll down for more goodies!!

This is a great site, getting better and better methinks.

http://www.americanthinker.com/index.php

-- 
Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Thu Feb  2 07:54:21 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Thu Feb  2 07:55:32 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] fun with cindy
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-DAV1633CECC447608A503308DA0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200602021254.k12CsMLb006076@oasis.novia.net>

On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:36:36 -0600, Dana Repouille wrote:

>Yeah, but my point was, "Who cares?"

Oh, I DO!  I just love the position she places the Democrats in!





From operagost at operagost.com  Thu Feb  2 14:45:13 2006
From: operagost at operagost.com (operagost@operagost.com)
Date: Thu Feb  2 14:49:38 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Hamas = Nazi?
Message-ID: <06020214451365_2020A95D@operagost.com>

Does Palestine* 2006 = Germany 1933?

* a fictional construct accorded with existence merely for convenience of this discussion.
From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us  Thu Feb  2 17:50:21 2006
From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Thu Feb  2 17:51:41 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Garrison Keillor: "scathing"?
Message-ID: <43E28CAD.8010503@bernstein.providence.ri.us>

A tad late getting to this...

-=snip=-

Bernard-Henri Levy Offers Riposte to Garrison Keillor
Lunch at the Four Seasons

BY PRANAY GUPTE - Special to the Sun
January 31, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/26720

Bernard-Henri Levy says that his new book, "American Vertigo:
Traveling America in the Footsteps of Tocqueville," is not only a
celebration of the country that his fellow Frenchman famously wrote
about in the early 19th century.

It is also, however subtly, a missive to his native France, and the
world at large, about the rigorous efforts needed to sustain democracy
and liberty - and about the need to answer anti-Americanism, he said
yesterday.

"You answer such anti-Americanism by offering proof of America's
reality - that it's a healthy democracy, that it isn't neo-imperial,
that its economy is in good shape, and that America's power truly lies
not only in its currency or military, but the enduring optimism of its
people. This self-confidence is America's real wealth. America's power
also flows from the confidence of the world in its power - why else
does everybody want American dollars, or send their children and
company managers to study in America?

"Liberty - the great American spirit of freedom and enterprise - will
not disappear," he said.

"I loved this country before I wrote this book - I love it even more
now," Mr. Levy said. "Maybe an American couldn't write this book - it
takes a foreigner. Yes, to be a foreigner does mean that something of
the country's spirit escapes you. But you approach America with a
fresh, candid eye that sometimes a native prefers not to possess. I am
a friend of America, and like all friends I speak frankly and with an
open heart. I came without a screen in front of my eyes, without
prejudices, without an agenda."

That remark seemed to be a riposte to Garrison Keillor's scathing
front page review Sunday in the New York Times Book Review.

"In my all my travels across America, I didn't meet a single
Francophobe," Mr. Levy said. "But the New York Times article gave me
venom on a dish."

"Was the reviewer Francophobic? Was he looking down at me because I
was French?" he said. "Maybe I will respond more fully later. But
overall, I thought the review was well-written. And at least now I
know that this book has the ability to provoke this sort of
Francophobia and American populism - that's great. If somebody says,
'He's a Frenchman - what does he know?' that to me is a symptom of
Francophobia."

"America is often demonized abroad," Mr. Levy said. "The best way to
respond to such demonization is to show that America is a great nation
that makes some mistakes - but it's a great country nevertheless.
What's surprised me is that this country is in much less of a crisis
that what's being said abroad. Democracy here is more sane than is
supposed elsewhere."

"Anti-Americanism is a plague," he said. "Say what you will about
America - but it still stands for fighting for truth and justice."

But there are growing threats to America's freedom - and, indeed, to
free societies everywhere, Mr. Levy said.

"One threat is green fascism - Islamic fascism," he said. "Radical
Islam is, to me, the real devil. And the victims of this Islamic
fascism are often Muslim themselves. The battle is this: how to
reinforce moderate Muslims against the radicals. And the battlefield
is there. Look around you."

He cited last week's elections in Gaza and the West Bank, in which the
terrorist organization Hamas won a stunning majority in the
Palestinian parliament.

"The program of destroying Israel and the Jews comes from Islamic
fascists," Mr. Levy said. "But this is the first time that such a
program has been endorsed and blessed by a democratically elected
government. We have to resist this."

The Algerian-born Mr. Levy's regard for America - and his career as a
successful writer - began 35 years ago when he answered Andre
Malraux's call to fight for freedom and democracy in Bangladesh, and
flew to witness its bloody war of independence from Pakistan.

"It was a terrible experience of human damnation," Mr. Levy said.
"Imprinted on my mind were unforgettable images of butchery and
horror. Bangladesh drove home to me the importance of free societies -
and how the American experience of liberation from tyranny resonated
around the world."

Bangladesh generated not only that realization in Mr. Levy but also
outrage over human rights abuses in different parts of the world. It
spawned his first book, a jeremiad against such abuses and a
philosophical inquiry into the causes of calamity.

Over the next three decades, Mr. Levy traveled widely around the globe
in pursuit of that inquiry.

"I became - and still am - a militant for truth, justice, and human
rights," he said. "I communicate that message in my own special way -
through a melange of reportage, philosophy, and speculation."

He went to Rwanda and Sudan to see for himself the impact of genocide
on already fragile societies. He went to several other sub-Saharan
countries to follow what he called the "forgotten wars." He went to
Algeria to assess the influence of radical Islam. He went to Pakistan
to investigate the murder by Muslim radicals of Daniel Pearl, a Wall
Street Journal reporter. He was with President Karzai of Afghanistan
when an aide broke the news of Pearl's death.

He went to the Middle East to study what he called "the unbearable
loneliness of Israel."

Mr. Levy's passion for Israel and Judaism flows from the fact that he
is a Jew. His father, Andre - a timber entrepreneur - and mother,
Gina, were wealthy; both had been born in Algeria. Their son wasn't
particularly observant, and his education had been entirely secular,
much of it at a prestigious school that Jean-Paul Sartre had also
attended. (Mr. Levy later wrote a biography of Sartre, the existential
writer and Nobel laureate.)

"I returned to Judaism as an adult - not for religious reasons but
because I needed the philosophical ground," Mr. Levy said. "I was
looking for the right tools - and I found them in the Bible and Talmud."

Mr. Levy said he "found" the heart of America during his early
travels. And he found his own heart when he met and married an
acclaimed actress in France, Arielle Dombasle. She came from a
blue-blooded family. Her grandfather had negotiated a major trade
treaty between France and America.

Ms. Dombasle was born in Connecticut and is an American citizen.

"You see? I have a very close connection to America," Mr. Levy said.

-=snip=-


-- 
Bob Bernstein

A person of great honour in Ireland (who was pleased to
stoop so low as to look into my mind) used to tell me that
my mind was like a conjured spirit, that would do mischief
if I did not give it employment.
                                        Jonathan Swift
From prather.js at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 18:35:06 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Thu Feb  2 18:37:42 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Garrison Keillor: "scathing"?
In-Reply-To: <43E28CAD.8010503@bernstein.providence.ri.us>
Message-ID: <0IU300GHE2UII9H0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:50:21 -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:

>Bernard-Henri Levy Offers Riposte to Garrison Keillor
>Lunch at the Four Seasons

I'm curious as to what Garrison Keillor had to say...
(since I'm not one who is a regular reader of the NY Times or
pays much attention to whatever goes on in NY).

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us  Thu Feb  2 18:42:53 2006
From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Thu Feb  2 18:43:42 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Today's Must-read
Message-ID: <43E298FD.3010108@bernstein.providence.ri.us>

Thanks to Michelle Malkin's blog:

http://commentarymagazine.com/production/files/schoenfeld0306advance.html



-- 
Bob Bernstein

A person of great honour in Ireland (who was pleased to
stoop so low as to look into my mind) used to tell me that
my mind was like a conjured spirit, that would do mischief
if I did not give it employment.
                                        Jonathan Swift
From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Thu Feb  2 19:11:32 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Thu Feb  2 19:11:41 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Garrison Keillor: "scathing"?
In-Reply-To: <0IU300GHE2UII9H0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0IU300GHE2UII9H0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602021909420.7444@trollboy.legomenon.org>

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Jerry Prather wrote:

> I'm curious as to what Garrison Keillor had to say...

Me too!

> (since I'm not one who is a regular reader of the NY Times or pays much 
> attention to whatever goes on in NY).

Please post what you find out here!


;-)



-- 
Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
From mriddle at papillion.ne.us  Thu Feb  2 19:45:04 2006
From: mriddle at papillion.ne.us (Mike Riddle)
Date: Thu Feb  2 19:45:42 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: Re: Top 11 Alternative Names for Bareback
	Mountain
Message-ID: <20060203004507.GDUJ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@enigmaster>


==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================


11. "Queer Eye for the Steer Guy"


10. "Not-That-There's-Anything-Wrong-With-That Mountain"


9. "How The West Was Hung"


8. "Little Bathhouse on the Prairie"


7. "For a Few Dollars More We Can Make It a Threesome"


6. "Go West, Young Man...Now South..A Little More To The South... Oh 
God, Yes!  Right There!"


5. "Clint Eastwood's Nightmare"


4. "The Good, The Bad and The Fabulous!"


3. "Broke My Back Mounting Him"


2. "Oklahomo"
  

1. "Fun With Dick In James"





===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================



From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Thu Feb  2 19:43:59 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Thu Feb  2 19:45:42 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Garrison Keillor: "scathing"?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602021909420.7444@trollboy.legomenon.org>
Message-ID: <200602030044.k130i4Xk013461@oasis.novia.net>

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:11:32 -0500 (EST), Bob Bernstein wrote:

>> I'm curious as to what Garrison Keillor had to say...

>Me too!

>> (since I'm not one who is a regular reader of the NY Times or pays much 
>> attention to whatever goes on in NY).

>Please post what you find out here!

January 29, 2006

'American Vertigo: Traveling America in the Footsteps of Tocqueville,' 
by Bernard-Henri L?vy

On the Road Avec M. L?vy

Review by GARRISON KEILLOR

Correction Appended

Any American with a big urge to write a book explaining France to the French 
should read this book first, to get a sense of the hazards involved. 
Bernard-Henri L?vy is a French writer with a spatter-paint prose style and 
the grandiosity of a college sophomore; he rambled around this country at 
the behest of The Atlantic Monthly and now has worked up his notes into a 
sort of book. It is the classic Freaks, Fatties, Fanatics & Faux Culture 
Excursion beloved of European journalists for the past 50 years, with stops 
at Las Vegas to visit a lap-dancing club and a brothel; Beverly Hills; 
Dealey Plaza in Dallas; Bourbon Street in New Orleans; Graceland; a gun show 
in Fort Worth; a "partner-swapping club" in San Francisco with a drag queen 
with mammoth silicone breasts; the Iowa State Fair ("a festival of American 
kitsch"); Sun City ("gilded apartheid for the old");a stock car race; the 
Mall of America; Mount Rushmore; a couple of evangelical megachurches; the 
Mormons of Salt Lake; some Amish; the 2004 national political conventions; 
Alcatraz - you get the idea. (For some reason he missed the Sturgis 
Motorcycle Rally, the adult video awards, the grave site of Warren G. 
Harding and the World's Largest Ball of Twine.) You meet Sharon Stone and 
John Kerry and a woman who once weighed 488 pounds and an obese couple 
carrying rifles, but there's nobody here whom you recognize. In more than 
300 pages, nobody tells a joke. Nobody does much work. Nobody sits and eats 
and enjoys their food. You've lived all your life in America, never attended 
a megachurch or a brothel, don't own guns, are non-Amish, and it dawns on 
you that this is a book about the French. There's no reason for it to exist 
in English, except as evidence that travel need not be broadening and one 
should be wary of books with Tocqueville in the title.

In New Orleans, a young woman takes off her clothes on a balcony as young 
men throw Mardi Gras beads up at her. We learn that much of the city is 
below sea level. At the stock car race, L?vy senses that the spectators 
"both dread and hope for an accident." We learn that Los Angeles has no 
center and is one of the most polluted cities in the country. "Headed for 
Virginia, and for Norfolk, which is, if I'm not mistaken, one of the oldest 
towns in a state that was one of the original 13 in the union," L?vy writes. 
Yes, indeed. He likes Savannah and gets delirious about Seattle, especially 
the Space Needle, which represents for him "everything that America has 
always made me dream of: poetry and modernity, precariousness and technical 
challenge, lightness of form meshed with a Babel syndrome, city lights, the 
haunting quality of darkness, tall trees of steel." O.K., fine. The Eiffel 
Tower is quite the deal, too.

But every 10 pages or so, L?vy walks into a wall. About Old Glory, for 
example. Someone has told him about the rules for proper handling of the 
flag, and from these (the flag must not be allowed to touch the ground, must 
be disposed of by burning) he has invented an American flag fetish, a 
national obsession, a cult of flag worship. Somebody forgot to tell him that 
to those of us not currently enrolled in the Boy Scouts, these rules aren't 
a big part of everyday life. He blows a radiator writing about baseball - 
"this sport that contributes to establishing people's identities and that 
has truly become part of their civic and patriotic religion, which is 
baseball" - and when, visiting Cooperstown ("this new Nazareth"), he finds 
out that Commissioner Bud Selig once laid a wreath at the tomb of the 
Unknown Soldier at Arlington, where Abner Doubleday is also buried, L?vy 
goes out of his mind. An event important only to Selig and his immediate 
family becomes, to L?vy, an official proclamation "before the eyes of 
America and the world" of Abner as "the pope of the national religion . . . 
that day not just the town but the entire United States joined in a 
celebration that had the twofold merit of associating the national pastime 
with the traditional rural values that Fenimore Cooper's town embodies and 
also with the patriotic grandeur that the name Doubleday bears." Uh, 
actually not. Negatory on "pope" and "national" and "entire" and "most" and 
"embodies" and "Doubleday."

He worships Woody Allen and Charlie Rose in terms that would make Donald 
Trump cringe with embarrassment. He admires Warren Beatty, though he sees 
Beatty at a public event "among these rich and beautiful who, as always in 
America . . . form a masquerade of the living dead, each one more facelifted 
and mummified than the next, fierce, a little mutant-looking, inhuman, 
ultimately disappointing." L?vy is quite comfortable with phrases like "as 
always in America." Bombast comes naturally to him. Rain falls on the crowd 
gathered for the dedication of the Clinton library in Little Rock, and to 
L?vy, it signifies the demise of the Democratic Party. As always with French 
writers, L?vy is short on the facts, long on conclusions. He has a brief 
encounter with a young man outside of Montgomery, Ala. ("I listen to him 
tell me, as if he were justifying himself, about his attachment to this 
region"), and suddenly sees that the young man has "all the reflexes of 
Southern culture" and the "studied nonchalance . . . so characteristic of 
the region." With his X-ray vision, L?vy is able to reach tall conclusions 
with a single bound.

And good Lord, the childlike love of paradox - America is magnificent but 
mad, greedy and modest, drunk with materialism and religiosity, puritan and 
outrageous, facing toward the future and yet obsessed with its memories. 
Americans' party loyalty is "very strong and very pliable, extremely 
tenacious and in the end somewhat empty." Existential and yet devoid of all 
content and direction. The partner-swapping club is both "libertine" and 
"conventional," "depraved" and "proper." And so the reader is fascinated and 
exhausted by L?vy's tedious and original thinking: "A strong bond holds 
America together, but a minimal one. An attachment of great force, but not 
fiercely resolute. A place of high - extremely high - symbolic tension, but 
a neutral one, a nearly empty one." And what's with the flurries of 
rhetorical questions? Is this how the French talk or is it something they 
save for books about America? "What is a Republican? What distinguishes a 
Republican in the America of today from a Democrat?" L?vy writes, like a 
student padding out a term paper. "What does this experience tell us?" he 
writes about the Mall of America. "What do we learn about American 
civilization from this mausoleum of merchandise, this funeral accumulation 
of false goods and nondesires in this end-of-the-world setting? What is the 
effect on the Americans of today of this confined space, this aquarium, 
where only a semblance of life seems to subsist?" And what is one to make of 
the series of questions - 20 in a row - about Hillary Clinton, in which L?vy 
implies she is seeking the White House to erase the shame of the Lewinsky 
affair? Was L?vy aware of the game 20 Questions, commonly played on long car 
trips in America? Are we to read this passage as a metaphor of American 
restlessness? Does he understand how irritating this is? Does he? Do you? 
May I stop now?

America is changing, he concludes, but America will endure. "I still don't 
think there's reason to despair of this country. No matter how many 
derangements, dysfunctions, driftings there may be . . . no matter how 
fragmented the political and social space may be; despite this nihilist 
hypertrophy of petty antiquarian memory; despite this hyperobesity - 
increasingly less metaphorical - of the great social bodies that form the 
invisible edifice of the country; despite the utter misery of the ghettos . 
. . I can't manage to convince myself of the collapse, heralded in Europe, 
of the American model."

Thanks, pal. I don't imagine France collapsing anytime soon either. Thanks 
for coming. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. For your next book, 
tell us about those riots in France, the cars burning in the suburbs of 
Paris. What was that all about? Were fat people involved?

Garrison Keillor is the host and writer of "A Prairie Home Companion" and 
the author of 16 books. He is the editor, most recently, of an anthology 
titled "Good Poems for Hard Times."

Correction: Jan 29, 2006, Sunday:

A note on Page 1 of the Book Review today, with the review of "American 
Vertigo" by Bernard-Henri L?vy, misstates the translator's name. She is 
Charlotte Mandell, not Mendel.





From prather.js at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 20:07:26 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Thu Feb  2 20:07:43 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Today's Must-read
In-Reply-To: <43E298FD.3010108@bernstein.providence.ri.us>
Message-ID: <0IU3006V274FI5B0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:42:53 -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:

>Thanks to Michelle Malkin's blog:
>
>http://commentarymagazine.com/production/files/schoenfeld0306advance.html

Heavy stuff, and right on the mark!

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Thu Feb  2 21:29:57 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Thu Feb  2 21:30:44 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] somebody on this list . . .
Message-ID: <200602022129.57224.dep@drippingwithirony.com>

. . . seems to have sent me an email attachment that scanned my hard 
drive and turned every instance of "b.s." to "earnings" and every 
instance of "shrieking harpy" to "wife."

i don't know what to do about it.

dep
-- 
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in
doing it.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Thu Feb  2 22:36:56 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Thu Feb  2 22:37:45 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Hamas = Nazi?
In-Reply-To: <06020214451365_2020A95D@operagost.com>
References: <06020214451365_2020A95D@operagost.com>
Message-ID: <46d72e000602021936g2f49f0e8s7ca1ab3776039f66@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/2/06, operagost@operagost.com <operagost@operagost.com> wrote:
> Does Palestine* 2006 = Germany 1933?
>
> * a fictional construct accorded with existence merely for convenience of this discussion.
As Michael Savage would say, "Hitlers in a headscarf."
Later,
Daniel

From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Fri Feb  3 07:47:19 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Fri Feb  3 07:47:52 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] somebody on this list . . .
In-Reply-To: <200602022129.57224.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
Message-ID: <200602031247.k13ClKrN021451@oasis.novia.net>

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:29:57 -0500, dennis e. powell wrote:

>. . . seems to have sent me an email attachment that scanned my hard 
>drive and turned every instance of "b.s." to "earnings" and every 
>instance of "shrieking harpy" to "wife."

>i don't know what to do about it.

File a bar complaint?

<g>




From prather.js at verizon.net  Fri Feb  3 08:07:05 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Fri Feb  3 08:07:53 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] somebody on this list . . .
In-Reply-To: <200602022129.57224.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
Message-ID: <0IU4008AB4FT7RU0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:29:57 -0500, dennis e. powell wrote:

>i don't know what to do about it.

Global search and replace????

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From mriddle at monarch.papillion.ne.us  Fri Feb  3 13:33:52 2006
From: mriddle at monarch.papillion.ne.us (Mike Riddle)
Date: Fri Feb  3 13:35:59 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Kickback Mountain
Message-ID: <20060203183401.ICYW613.centrmmtao03.cox.net@enigmaster>



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From: mriddle at papillion.ne.us (Mike Riddle)
Date: Fri Feb  3 16:04:02 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: FW: "Al Qaeda Caller ID"
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  http://current.cf.huffingtonpost.com/


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From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us  Fri Feb  3 17:06:44 2006
From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Fri Feb  3 17:35:02 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: FW: "Al Qaeda Caller ID"
In-Reply-To: <20060203210242.KNLC613.centrmmtao03.cox.net@enigmaster>
References: <20060203210242.KNLC613.centrmmtao03.cox.net@enigmaster>
Message-ID: <43E3D3F4.2050302@bernstein.providence.ri.us>

Mike Riddle wrote:

>   http://current.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Really, really funny, but I wonder how they are getting that up on her
domain?

Here's how!

host www.huffingtonpost.com
www.huffingtonpost.com is an alias for
www.huffingtonpost.com.edgesuite.net.
www.huffingtonpost.com.edgesuite.net is an alias for a495.g.akamai.net.
a495.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.144.15
a495.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.144.16

Sweet. The old bat doesn't even own huffingtonpost.com.


-- 
Bob Bernstein

A person of great honour in Ireland (who was pleased to
stoop so low as to look into my mind) used to tell me that
my mind was like a conjured spirit, that would do mischief
if I did not give it employment.
                                        Jonathan Swift
From prather.js at verizon.net  Fri Feb  3 18:20:52 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Fri Feb  3 18:22:03 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: Stella Awards
Message-ID: <0IU4008R9WUSSJK1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

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>  
> Some reading to make you realize that just when you
> thought "you've seen it all and heard it all", there's
> always people out there to prove you wrong. I don't know
> if these are all true but if they are, help us all! 
>  
> Maricar Dupaya 
> City of Berkeley, Human Resources Dept. 
> Training and Organization Development 
> 510-981-6824, mdupaya@ci.berkeley.ca.us  
> 
> "No one can ruin your day without your permission." 
> 
>  
> 2005 Stella Awards! 
> 
> Time once again to review the winners of the Annual
> "Stella Awards." The Stella Awards are named after 81
> year-old Stella Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself
> and successfully sued McDonald's (in NM). That case
> inspired the Stella Awards for the most frivolous,
> ridiculous, successful lawsuits in the United States. 
> 
> Here are this year's winners: 
>  
> 5th Place (tie): 
> 
> Kathleen Robertson of Austin, Texas, was awarded $80,000.
> by a jury of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping
> over a toddler who was running inside a furniture store.
> The owners of the store were understandably surprised at
> the verdict, considering the misbehaving little toddler
> was Ms. Robertson's son. 
> 
> 5th Place (tie): 
> 19-year-old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 and
> medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with
> a Honda Accord. Mr. Truman apparently didn't notice there
> was someone at the wheel of the car when he was trying to
> steal his neighbor's hubcaps. 
>  
> 5th Place (tie): 
> 
> Terrence Dickson of Bristol, Pennsylvania, was leaving a
> house he had just finished robbing by way of the garage. 
>  He was not able to get the garage door to go up since
> the automatic door opener was malfunctioning. He couldn't
> re-enter the house because the door connecting the house
> and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The family was
> on vacation, and Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the
> garage for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he
> found, and a large bag of dry dog food. He sued the
> homeowner's insurance claiming the situation caused him
> undue mental anguish. The jury agreed, to the tune of
> $500,000. In my opinion this is so outrageous that it
> should have been 2nd Place! 
>  
> 4th Place: 
> 
> Jerry Williams of Little Rock, Arkansas, was awarded
> $14,500. and medical expenses after being bitten on the
> buttocks by his next door neighbor's beagle. The beagle
> was on a chain in its owner's fenced yard. The award was
> less than sought because the jury felt the dog might have
> been just a little provoked at the time by Mr. Williams
> who had climbed over the fence into the yard and was
> shooting it repeatedly with a pellet gun. 
>  
> 3rd Place: 
> 
> A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber Carson
> of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, $113,500. after she slipped
> on a soft drink and broke her coccyx (tailbone). The
> beverage was on the floor because Ms. Carson had thrown
> it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an
> argument. 
>  
> 2nd Place: 
> 
> Kara Walton of Claymont, Delaware, successfully sued the
> owner of a night club in a neighboring city when she fell
> from the bathroom window to the floor and knocked out her
> two front teeth. This occurred while Ms. Walton was
> trying to sneak through the window in the ladies room to
> avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded
> $12,000 and dental expenses. 
>  
> 1st Place: 
> 
> This year's runaway winner was Mrs. Merv Grazinski of
> Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Mrs. Grazinski purchased a brand
> new 32-foot Winnebago motor home. On her first trip home,
> (from an OU football game), having driven onto the
> freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly
> left the driver's seat to go into the back & make herself
> a sandwich. Not surprisingly, the RV left the freeway,
> crashed and overturned. Mrs.Grazinski sued Winnebago for
> not advising her in the owner's manual that she couldn't
> actually do this. The jury awarded her $1,750,000. plus a
> new motor home. The company actually changed their
> manuals on the basis of this suit, just in case there
> were any other complete morons around.
> 


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Jerry
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Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From prather.js at verizon.net  Fri Feb  3 19:05:53 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Fri Feb  3 19:07:04 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: SECRET SERVICE
Message-ID: <0IU400E87YXUY2I4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

I don't know where Bill got this, nor do I know who Dave Kulow
is, but these statements come across as how I would presume the
truth to be...

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> Subject:  SECRET SERVICE
> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:23:43 -0700
> 
> SECRET SERVICE   *PRESIDENTIAL OBSERVATIONS BY THE
> SECRET SERVICE 
> 
>Observations by Dave Kulow 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


> 
> The elder Bush and current president Bush make it a point
> to thank and take care of the aircrews that fly them
> around. When the president flies, there are several
> planes that also go -- one carries the armored limo,
> another the security detail, plus usually a press
> aircraft. Both Bush's made it a point to stay home on
> holidays, so the Air Force and security people could have
> a day with their families. 
> 
> WHAT WAS: 
> 
> 
> Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her
> security detail. She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from
> exchanging pleasantries with them Sometimes Chelsea,
> miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean
> spiritedness ignored her demands and exchanged
> pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother's
> presence. 
> 
> 
> 
> Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and lovely young
> lady. The consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her
> Mom but did not like her. Hillary Clinton was
> continuously rude and abrasive to those who were charged
> to protect her life. 
> 
> 
> Her security detail dutifully did their job, as
> professionals should, but they all loathed her and wanted
> to be on a different detail. Hillary Clinton was despised
> by the Secret Service as a whole. 
> 
> 
> Former President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than
> his wife Often the Secret Service would cringe at the
> verbal attacks Hillary would use against her husband. 
> 
> 
> 
> They were embarrassed for his sake by the manner and
> frequency in which she verbally insulted him, sometimes
> in the presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes
> behind closed doors. Even behind closed doors Hillary
> Clinton would scream and holler so loudly, that everyone
> could hear what she was saying. 
> 
> 
> Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most wondered
> why he tolerated it instead of just divorcing his "attack
> dog" wife. It was clear that the Clinton's neither liked
> nor respected each other and this was true long before
> the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Theirs was genuinely a
> "marriage of convenience." 
> 
> 
> Chelsea was much closer to her father than she was to her
> mother, even after the Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her
> gravely. 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Clinton did in fact have charisma, and occasionally
> would smile at or shake hands with his security detail.
> Still, he always displayed an obvious air of superiority,
> believed him to be disingenuous, false, and that he did
> nothing without a motive that in some way would enhance
> his image and political career. He was polite, but not
> kind. 
> 
> 
> They did not particularly like him and nobody trusted
> him. 
> 
> WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: 
> 
> 
> Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. They
> were friendlier toward each other than either of them was
> towards former President Clinton. They were not intimate,
> so please don't read that in. They were very close in a
> political way. 
> 
> 
> 
> Tipper Gore was generally nice and pleasant. She
> initially liked Hillary but soon after the election she
> had her "pegged" and no longer liked her or associated
> with her except for events that were politically
> obligatory. 
> 
> 
> 
> Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton was. Al
> Gore resented Bill Clinton and thought he was too
> "centrist." He despised all Republicans. His hatred was
> bitter and this was long before he announced for the
> Presidency. This hatred was something that he and Hillary
> had in common. 
> 
> 
> 
> They often said as much, even in the presence of their
> security detail. Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton
> and, the Secret Service opined, neither of them even
> liked Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did have some good
> qualities, whereas Al Gore and Hillary had none, in the
> view of their security details. Al Gore, like Hillary,
> was very rude and arrogant toward his security detail. He
> was extremely unappreciative. He would not hesitate to
> scold them in the presence of their peers for minor
> details over which they had no control. Al Gore also
> looked down on them, as they finally observed and learned
> with certainty on one occasion. Al got angry at his
> offspring and pointed at his detail and said, "Do you
> want to grow up and be like them?" Word of this insult by
> the former Vice-president quickly spread and he became as
> disliked by the Secret Service as Hillary. 
> 
> 
> Most of them prayed Al Gore would not be elected
> President, and they really did have private celebrations
> in a few of their homes after President Bush won. This
> was not necessarily to celebrate President Bush's
> election, but to celebrate Al Gore's defeat. 
> 
> WHAT IS: 
> 
> 
> Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady
> Laura Bush's detail. Without exception, they concede that
> she is perhaps the nicest and most kind person they have
> ever had the privilege of serving. Where Hillary patently
> refused to allow her picture to be taken with her
> security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be
> asked, she offers. She doesn't just shake their hand and
> say, "Thank you." 
> 
> 
> Very often, she will give members of her detail a
> kindhearted hug to express her appreciation. There is
> nothing false about her. This is her genuine nature. Her
> security detail considers her a "breath of fresh air."
> They joke that comparing Laura Bush with Hillary Clinton
> is like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked Witch
> of the North. 
> 
> 
> "Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to
> be a gem of a man to work for. He always treats them with
> genuine respect and he always trusts and listens to their
> expert advice. They really like the Crawford, Texas
> detail. Every time the president goes to Crawford, he has
> a Bar-B-Q for his security detail and he helps serve
> their meals. He sits with them, eats with them, and talks
> with them. He knows each of them by their first name, and
> calls them by their first name as a show of affection. He
> always asks about their family, the names of which he
> always remembers. They believe that he is deeply and
> genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not
> like, love, or respect anyone more than President Bush. 
> 
> 
> Most of them did not know they would feel this way, until
> they had an opportunity to work for him and learn that
> his manner was genuine and consistent. It has never
> changed since he began his Presidency. He always treats
> them with the utmost respect, kindness, and compassion. 
> 
> 

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Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Fri Feb  3 19:58:27 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Fri Feb  3 19:59:05 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: SECRET SERVICE
In-Reply-To: <0IU400E87YXUY2I4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0IU400E87YXUY2I4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200602031958.27568.dep@drippingwithirony.com>

quoth Jerry Prather:
| nor do I know who Dave Kulow is

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=%22dave+kulow%22&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

-- 
I do not ask them to assume the worth of my creed or any creed;
and I could wish they did not so often ask me to assume the worth
of their worthless, poisonous plutocratic modern society.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Fri Feb  3 20:58:40 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Fri Feb  3 20:59:06 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] And by the way...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602032057170.11119@trollboy.legomenon.org>

Where does our State Department get off issuing that mealymouthed 
statement about "tolerance?" What? We don't have the courage -- all of a 
sudden -- that the Europeans are now displaying.

-- 
Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
From spmaiorca at cox.net  Fri Feb  3 21:59:28 2006
From: spmaiorca at cox.net (spmaiorca@cox.net)
Date: Fri Feb  3 22:42:07 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] And by the way...
Message-ID: <20060204025843.ZQAR17838.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>

Next time some one talks about Tollerance and Islam please  explain their stance to my dear Mariam who risked getting lynched on her way to school in Egypt because she is a Copt.
Mulism did not show her much tollerance.

 
> From: Bob Bernstein <zoidberg@legomenon.org>
> Date: 2006/02/03 Fri PM 08:58:40 EST
> To: os2 <os2-right-stuff-l@jtan.com>
> Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] And by the way...
> 
> Where does our State Department get off issuing that mealymouthed 
> statement about "tolerance?" What? We don't have the courage -- all of a 
> sudden -- that the Europeans are now displaying.
> 
> -- 
> Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
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From spmaiorca at cox.net  Sat Feb  4 01:39:40 2006
From: spmaiorca at cox.net (S.P. Maiorca)
Date: Sat Feb  4 01:41:15 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Kickback Mountain
In-Reply-To: <20060203183401.ICYW613.centrmmtao03.cox.net@enigmaster>
References: <20060203183401.ICYW613.centrmmtao03.cox.net@enigmaster>
Message-ID: <200602032239.40721.spmaiorca@cox.net>

On Friday 03 February 2006 10:33 am, Mike Riddle wrote:
Don't forget Harry "it's not a bribe" Ried.
From prather.js at verizon.net  Sat Feb  4 09:20:41 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Sat Feb  4 09:21:15 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Is the Far Left getting tired of Hillary?
Message-ID: <0IU6001E12IIQXA6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

Interesting commentary at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1570444/posts

but please spare us another run by either Kerry or Gore!

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Sun Feb  5 08:57:14 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Sun Feb  5 08:57:36 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] today's steyn -- right as usual
Message-ID: <200602050857.14241.dep@drippingwithirony.com>


'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences 

February 5, 2006

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST 
 
	

I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and 
seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars 
and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!'' Or torching the 
Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat 
Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on 
the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, 
Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.

Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish 
flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: 
the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch 
Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi 
plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni 
or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold 
of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the 
Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and 
inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the 
infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only 
it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an 
economy they'd have.

Meanwhile, back in Copenhagen, the Danes are a little bewildered to find 
that this time it's plucky little Denmark who's caught the eye of the 
nutters. Last year, a newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published 
several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, whose physical representation 
in art is forbidden by Islam. The cartoons aren't particularly good and 
they were intended to be provocative. But they had a serious point. 
Before coming to that, we should note that in the Western world 
"artists" "provoke" with the same numbing regularity as young Muslim 
men light up other countries' flags. When Tony-winning author Terence 
McNally writes a Broadway play in which Jesus has gay sex with Judas, 
the New York Times and Co. rush to garland him with praise for how 
"brave" and "challenging" he is. The rule for "brave" "transgressive" 
"artists" is a simple one: If you're going to be provocative, it's best 
to do it with people who can't be provoked.

Thus, NBC is celebrating Easter this year with a special edition of the 
gay sitcom "Will & Grace," in which a Christian conservative 
cooking-show host, played by the popular singing slattern Britney 
Spears, offers seasonal recipes -- "Cruci-fixin's." On the other hand, 
the same network, in its coverage of the global riots over the Danish 
cartoons, has declined to show any of the offending artwork out of 
"respect" for the Muslim faith.

Which means out of respect for their ability to locate the executive 
vice president's home in the suburbs and firebomb his garage.

Jyllands-Posten wasn't being offensive for the sake of it. They had a 
serious point -- or, at any rate, a more serious one than Britney 
Spears or Terence McNally. The cartoons accompanied a piece about the 
dangers of "self-censorship" -- i.e., a climate in which there's no 
explicit law forbidding you from addressing the more, er, lively 
aspects of Islam but nonetheless everyone feels it's better not to.

That's the question the Danish newspaper was testing: the weakness of 
free societies in the face of intimidation by militant Islam.

One day, years from now, as archaeologists sift through the ruins of an 
ancient civilization for clues to its downfall, they'll marvel at how 
easy it all was. You don't need to fly jets into skyscrapers and kill 
thousands of people. As a matter of fact, that's a bad strategy, 
because even the wimpiest state will feel obliged to respond. But if 
you frame the issue in terms of multicultural "sensitivity," the wimp 
state will bend over backward to give you everything you want -- 
including, eventually, the keys to those skyscrapers. Thus, Jack Straw, 
the British foreign secretary, hailed the "sensitivity" of Fleet Street 
in not reprinting the offending cartoons. 

No doubt he's similarly impressed by the "sensitivity" of Anne Owers, 
Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons, for prohibiting the flying of 
the English national flag in English prisons on the grounds that it 
shows the cross of St. George, which was used by the Crusaders and thus 
is offensive to Muslims. And no doubt he's impressed by the 
"sensitivity" of Burger King, which withdrew its ice cream cones from 
its British menus because Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe complained that 
the creamy swirl shown on the lid looked like the word "Allah" in 
Arabic script. I don't know which sura in the Koran says don't forget, 
folks, it's not just physical representations of God or the Prophet but 
also chocolate ice cream squiggly representations of the name, but 
ixnay on both just to be "sensitive." 

And doubtless the British foreign secretary also appreciates the 
"sensitivity" of the owner of France-Soir, who fired his editor for 
republishing the Danish cartoons. And the "sensitivity" of the Dutch 
film director Albert Ter Heerdt, who canceled the sequel to his hit 
multicultural comedy ''Shouf Shouf Habibi!'' on the grounds that "I 
don't want a knife in my chest" -- which is what happened to the last 
Dutch film director to make a movie about Islam: Theo van Gogh, on 
whose ''right to dissent'' all those Hollywood blowhards are strangely 
silent. Perhaps they're just being "sensitive,'' too.

And perhaps the British foreign secretary also admires the "sensitivity" 
of those Dutch public figures who once spoke out against the 
intimidatory aspects of Islam and have now opted for diplomatic silence 
and life under 24-hour armed guard. And maybe he even admires the 
"sensitivity" of the increasing numbers of Dutch people who dislike the 
pervasive fear and tension in certain parts of the Netherlands and so 
have emigrated to Canada and New Zealand.

Very few societies are genuinely multicultural. Most are bicultural: On 
the one hand, there are folks who are black, white, gay, straight, 
pre-op transsexual, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, worshippers of 
global-warming doom-mongers, and they rub along as best they can. And 
on the other hand are folks who do not accept the give-and-take, the 
rough-and-tumble of a "diverse" "tolerant" society, and, when one 
gently raises the matter of their intolerance, they threaten to kill 
you, which makes the question somewhat moot. 

One day the British foreign secretary will wake up and discover that, in 
practice, there's very little difference between living under 
Exquisitely Refined Multicultural Sensitivity and Sharia. As a famously 
sensitive Dane once put it, "To be or not to be, that is the question."

dep
-- 
These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every
creed except his own.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us  Sun Feb  5 13:29:50 2006
From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Sun Feb  5 13:31:42 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] [Fwd: The Globe "for sports?"]
Message-ID: <43E6441E.5050704@bernstein.providence.ri.us>

Seems the Globe wrapped up several bundles of the paper to be dropped
off at street corners for stores in printouts of their credit card
customers, avec credit card numbers.

-=snip=-

Out in left field? Globe?s got your number(s)
By Howie Carr

Boston Herald Columnist
Sunday, February 5, 2006

Despite the high risk of having your good name and credit besmirched,
you may be one of the vanishing breed who enjoys having The Boston
Globe home-delivered. Ask yourself these questions:

     Do you have a trust fund?

     Have you seen ?Brokeback Mountain? - more than once?

     Do you refuse to peel the Kerry-Edwards sticker off your car?

     Do you always say ?Happy holidays??

     Did you go to a Democratic caucus yesterday to vote for Deval
Patrick?

    Answering yes to any of the above questions indicates that you may
well find the Globe almost as indispensable to daily life as Michael
Moore?s Web site. But if your answers were no, no, no, no and no, it?s
time you joined the fastest-growing demographic group in Massachusetts
- ex-Globe subscribers.

    Just last Wednesday, 200 subscribers to the fake-but-accurate
journal wised up and said, as one, ?Pound sand, Pinch.?

    Q. What do the carpetbaggers of Morrissey Boulevard call a day on
which 200 readers cancel their subscriptions?

    A. A good day.

    Bad enough their daily drumbeat for gay ?marriage,? illegal aliens
and higher taxes. Now the out-of-state drifters who mismanage the
boring broadsheet have literally put the names of more than 200,000
loyal subscribers and their credit-card numbers out on the street.

    The irony is, the Globe?s parent company is that floundering
dinosaur corporation known as The New York Times. The Beautiful People
of 42nd Street are stamping their Birkenstocks and pouting because the
Bush administration has engaged in ?domestic spying.? The GOP has been
?eavesdropping? on what Jayson Blair?s colleagues assure us are
?Americans? who just happen to be in contact with al-Qaeda operatives
overseas.

    For this, the Old Pink Lady wants Bush impeached.

    But when the Times? blow-in straw bosses flat-out violate the
privacy rights of more than 200,000 Americans, well, that?s just an
unfortunate mistake. Just monitor your credit charges very carefully
and await instructions from Massa Sulzberger, which will arrive via
snail mail.

    In spite of everything, the Globe retains a dwindling core of
Kool-Aid constituents, and perhaps you?re among them.

     Are you a vegan?

     Do you vote for every Prop 2 ? override because it?s an
?investment in the future? and it?s ?for the children??

     Do you enjoy seeing stills on the metro page that were obviously
taken from porn movies, with captions asserting that the actors are
actually American soldiers raping Iraqi women?

     Are you backing Sen. Jarrett Barrios for Middlesex DA?

     Do you think Steve Lynch has ?grown? in office?

     Do you prefer reading fiction to nonfiction?

    I joined the stampede of ex-subscribers many years ago. I?m a
white male heterosexual Irish Catholic who was born and raised in New
England and went to a state college. If I had any more strikes against
me, my name would be Steve Murphy.

    I hear people say, well, I only get it for the sports page. I got
news for you: Will McDonough ain?t walking through that door, and when
was the last time Peter Gammons wrote for the daily? If you need
endless Red Sox worship, there are four or five radio and TV stations
dedicated to 24/7 jock-sniffing.

    Go ahead, Globe, mail me another free-subscription offer. I?ll
send back your post-paid envelope, empty. Another 39 cents off the
bottom line of the PC Police. Every little bit helps.

-=snip=-


-- 
Bob Bernstein

A person of great honour in Ireland (who was pleased to
stoop so low as to look into my mind) used to tell me that
my mind was like a conjured spirit, that would do mischief
if I did not give it employment.
                                        Jonathan Swift


-- 
Bob Bernstein

A person of great honour in Ireland (who was pleased to
stoop so low as to look into my mind) used to tell me that
my mind was like a conjured spirit, that would do mischief
if I did not give it employment.
                                        Jonathan Swift
From spmaiorca at cox.net  Sun Feb  5 12:42:29 2006
From: spmaiorca at cox.net (spmaiorca@cox.net)
Date: Sun Feb  5 14:26:45 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] today's steyn -- right as usual
Message-ID: <20060205174146.QAZL17006.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.180.8]>

good editorial and I wish the folks screaming about how we need to be sensitive would understand there is no such talk on the other side. Next person who talks about sensitivty towards Muslims do me a favor and speak to a mideastern Christan.
> 
> From: "dennis e. powell" <dep@drippingwithirony.com>
> Date: 2006/02/05 Sun AM 08:57:14 EST
> To: "OS/2 et alia" <os2-right-stuff-l@jtan.com>
> Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] today's steyn -- right as usual
> 
> 
> 'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences 
> 
> February 5, 2006
> 
> BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST 
>  
> 	
> 
> I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and 
> seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars 
> and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!'' Or torching the 
> Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat 
> Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on 
> the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, 
> Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.
> 
> Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish 
> flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: 
> the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch 
> Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi 
> plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni 
> or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold 
> of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the 
> Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and 
> inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the 
> infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only 
> it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an 
> economy they'd have.
> 
> Meanwhile, back in Copenhagen, the Danes are a little bewildered to find 
> that this time it's plucky little Denmark who's caught the eye of the 
> nutters. Last year, a newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published 
> several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, whose physical representation 
> in art is forbidden by Islam. The cartoons aren't particularly good and 
> they were intended to be provocative. But they had a serious point. 
> Before coming to that, we should note that in the Western world 
> "artists" "provoke" with the same numbing regularity as young Muslim 
> men light up other countries' flags. When Tony-winning author Terence 
> McNally writes a Broadway play in which Jesus has gay sex with Judas, 
> the New York Times and Co. rush to garland him with praise for how 
> "brave" and "challenging" he is. The rule for "brave" "transgressive" 
> "artists" is a simple one: If you're going to be provocative, it's best 
> to do it with people who can't be provoked.
> 
> Thus, NBC is celebrating Easter this year with a special edition of the 
> gay sitcom "Will & Grace," in which a Christian conservative 
> cooking-show host, played by the popular singing slattern Britney 
> Spears, offers seasonal recipes -- "Cruci-fixin's." On the other hand, 
> the same network, in its coverage of the global riots over the Danish 
> cartoons, has declined to show any of the offending artwork out of 
> "respect" for the Muslim faith.
> 
> Which means out of respect for their ability to locate the executive 
> vice president's home in the suburbs and firebomb his garage.
> 
> Jyllands-Posten wasn't being offensive for the sake of it. They had a 
> serious point -- or, at any rate, a more serious one than Britney 
> Spears or Terence McNally. The cartoons accompanied a piece about the 
> dangers of "self-censorship" -- i.e., a climate in which there's no 
> explicit law forbidding you from addressing the more, er, lively 
> aspects of Islam but nonetheless everyone feels it's better not to.
> 
> That's the question the Danish newspaper was testing: the weakness of 
> free societies in the face of intimidation by militant Islam.
> 
> One day, years from now, as archaeologists sift through the ruins of an 
> ancient civilization for clues to its downfall, they'll marvel at how 
> easy it all was. You don't need to fly jets into skyscrapers and kill 
> thousands of people. As a matter of fact, that's a bad strategy, 
> because even the wimpiest state will feel obliged to respond. But if 
> you frame the issue in terms of multicultural "sensitivity," the wimp 
> state will bend over backward to give you everything you want -- 
> including, eventually, the keys to those skyscrapers. Thus, Jack Straw, 
> the British foreign secretary, hailed the "sensitivity" of Fleet Street 
> in not reprinting the offending cartoons. 
> 
> No doubt he's similarly impressed by the "sensitivity" of Anne Owers, 
> Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons, for prohibiting the flying of 
> the English national flag in English prisons on the grounds that it 
> shows the cross of St. George, which was used by the Crusaders and thus 
> is offensive to Muslims. And no doubt he's impressed by the 
> "sensitivity" of Burger King, which withdrew its ice cream cones from 
> its British menus because Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe complained that 
> the creamy swirl shown on the lid looked like the word "Allah" in 
> Arabic script. I don't know which sura in the Koran says don't forget, 
> folks, it's not just physical representations of God or the Prophet but 
> also chocolate ice cream squiggly representations of the name, but 
> ixnay on both just to be "sensitive." 
> 
> And doubtless the British foreign secretary also appreciates the 
> "sensitivity" of the owner of France-Soir, who fired his editor for 
> republishing the Danish cartoons. And the "sensitivity" of the Dutch 
> film director Albert Ter Heerdt, who canceled the sequel to his hit 
> multicultural comedy ''Shouf Shouf Habibi!'' on the grounds that "I 
> don't want a knife in my chest" -- which is what happened to the last 
> Dutch film director to make a movie about Islam: Theo van Gogh, on 
> whose ''right to dissent'' all those Hollywood blowhards are strangely 
> silent. Perhaps they're just being "sensitive,'' too.
> 
> And perhaps the British foreign secretary also admires the "sensitivity" 
> of those Dutch public figures who once spoke out against the 
> intimidatory aspects of Islam and have now opted for diplomatic silence 
> and life under 24-hour armed guard. And maybe he even admires the 
> "sensitivity" of the increasing numbers of Dutch people who dislike the 
> pervasive fear and tension in certain parts of the Netherlands and so 
> have emigrated to Canada and New Zealand.
> 
> Very few societies are genuinely multicultural. Most are bicultural: On 
> the one hand, there are folks who are black, white, gay, straight, 
> pre-op transsexual, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, worshippers of 
> global-warming doom-mongers, and they rub along as best they can. And 
> on the other hand are folks who do not accept the give-and-take, the 
> rough-and-tumble of a "diverse" "tolerant" society, and, when one 
> gently raises the matter of their intolerance, they threaten to kill 
> you, which makes the question somewhat moot. 
> 
> One day the British foreign secretary will wake up and discover that, in 
> practice, there's very little difference between living under 
> Exquisitely Refined Multicultural Sensitivity and Sharia. As a famously 
> sensitive Dane once put it, "To be or not to be, that is the question."
> 
> dep
> -- 
> These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every
> creed except his own.
> 		-- G. K. Chesterton
> _______________________________________________
> os2-right-stuff-l mailing list
> os2-right-stuff-l@jtan.com
> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/os2-right-stuff-l
> 

From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Sun Feb  5 14:46:28 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Sun Feb  5 14:47:43 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: Politics Explained
Message-ID: <200602051446.28939.dep@drippingwithirony.com>


A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
 many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal
 Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican,
 a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had
 participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt
 that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep
 what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher
 taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare
 programs.  The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors
 had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she
answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that
it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very
 difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no
 time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even
 have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends
 because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?"
She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy
classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so
popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to
all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes
because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's
office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your
friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and
certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired
back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades!
I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done
 next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail
 off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the
Republican Party.

-- 
Love means loving the unlovable - or it is no virtue at all.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From mike at mikeriddle.com  Sun Feb  5 15:42:12 2006
From: mike at mikeriddle.com (Mike Riddle)
Date: Sun Feb  5 15:47:44 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] LAT Editorial - Tapping into AT&T
Message-ID: <20060205204513.IJQM8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@enigmaster>

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-nsa5feb05,0,4247173.story?coll=la-home-oped
 From the Los Angeles Times
EDITORIALS
Tapping into AT&T

February 5, 2006

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION has spent much of the last few weeks trying 
to explain that to protect American democracy, it must sometimes spy 
on American citizens. Now the debate over its warrantless domestic 
spying program has reached out to touch one of the iconic names of 
American capitalism: Ma Bell.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, an advocacy group for civil 
liberties in cyberspace, sued AT&T last week, alleging that the 
company violated its duty to keep phone records and conversations 
private. The suit asserts that AT&T not only allowed the National 
Security Agency to intercept phone calls without a warrant as part of 
its program to monitor the calls of U.S. residents with suspected 
ties to terrorists overseas, but it also enabled government agents to 
sift through the company's vast database of calling records in search 
of suspicious activity.

The lawsuit takes an indirect route to the foundation's ultimate 
goal, which is to force investigators to get a court's approval 
before spying on U.S. residents. At Senate hearings on the NSA 
program, which begin Monday, members of the Judiciary Committee may 
want to borrow from the foundation's strategy and see what they can 
learn not just from government officials but from telecommunications 
executives, who cannot hide behind executive privilege.

Ma Bell is certainly an inviting target. Outside of the NSA, no one 
knows more about the domestic surveillance program than the phone 
companies, the largest of which is AT&T. And the Bush administration 
has been extremely tight-lipped about the program's details. As a 
result, it is impossible to judge whether the program has focused 
exclusively on people chatting with Al Qaeda, as President Bush likes 
to say, or a much larger group of Americans who just happen to make 
or receive international calls.

AT&T, which isn't commenting on the suit, may have felt it had no 
choice but to comply with the NSA's requests. Federal law requires 
telephone companies to cooperate with law enforcement demands if they 
are supported by a court order or, in emergencies, certification from 
the U.S. attorney general that no court order is necessary. The 
surveillance program was almost certainly backed by just such a 
certification, and that could stop the lawsuit in its tracks.

Ideally, the lawsuit will stop AT&T from cooperating in the NSA 
program, or at least prod it to put up more resistance. There is no 
need or excuse for warrantless surveillance in America, especially 
given the accelerated procedures Congress established for obtaining 
such warrants. Indeed, the court that Congress created with the 
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is notoriously accommodating to 
such requests. In addition, the administration's assertion that it 
can conduct whatever spying operation it pleases during the 
unrelenting war on terrorism is an affront to Americans' privacy and 
due-process rights.

More practically, the lawsuit may also reveal how the spying program 
works and what types of information it collects. But the 
administration views such details as sensitive national security 
secrets, and it is likely the government will try to have the lawsuit 
thrown out before any such disclosures are made.

In the mid-1970s, the late Sen. Frank Church, an Idaho Democrat, led 
a Senate investigation into domestic spying and other abuses of power 
by the NSA and federal agencies. By interviewing executives from 
telecommunications companies, his investigators gained critical 
details about the government's snooping. Members of the Senate 
Judiciary Committee could learn from the Church committee's boldness.




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From sjkleinsr at cox.net  Sun Feb  5 17:11:49 2006
From: sjkleinsr at cox.net (Stan Klein, Sr.)
Date: Sun Feb  5 17:12:44 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
Message-ID: <20060205221148.TGKQ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.53.8]>

If I had the power, the following message would go out to the world:

Given recent events, the United States has decided on the following course of action. For Americans and those present in the United States who wish to peacefully march in demonstration of support for a cause, we support the right of peaceful assembly. As soon as your demonstration becomes a destructive event, you will be gunned down in the streets. This includes rioting, looting, stone and bottle throwing and the destruction of our flag, which is now considered sacred.

For residents of other countries, the following applies. We support your right to peaceful assembly, but will not interfere with your governments handling of the situation. As soon as you attempt to destroy the American flag, now considered sacred, you will be gunned down in the street. Attacks on American Counsulates, Embassies or interests will cause you to be gunned down in the streets. A team will be dispatched to assist with removal of debris following our necessary action.

We expect our actions to be considered with the same sensitivity now extended to persons who create havoc and destruction in support of their beliefs.

Thank you!!

Stan Klein, Sr.
Homeless, live in a truck
Will work for Chivas Regal/Johnny Walker Black

From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 17:24:07 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Sun Feb  5 17:26:45 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] More political corruption
Message-ID: <46d72e000602051424l2816cd3enc03cc5b71aca6bda@mail.gmail.com>

<http://view.e.newsmax.com/?ffcb10-fe8b177673600c7871-fe0215707664007a71137375-ff2c1d70746d>
Later,
Daniel

From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 17:36:00 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Sun Feb  5 17:36:46 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
In-Reply-To: <20060205221148.TGKQ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@172.18.53.8>
References: <20060205221148.TGKQ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@172.18.53.8>
Message-ID: <46d72e000602051436w67c2884fxe1e8fe71133217ab@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/5/06, Stan Klein, Sr. <sjkleinsr@cox.net> wrote:
> If I had the power, the following message would go out to the world:
>
> Given recent events, the United States has decided on the following course of action. For Americans and those present in the United States who wish to peacefully march in demonstration of support for a cause, we support the right of peaceful assembly. As soon as your demonstration becomes a destructive event, you will be gunned down in the streets. This includes rioting, looting, stone and bottle throwing and the destruction of our flag, which is now considered sacred.
>
> For residents of other countries, the following applies. We support your right to peaceful assembly, but will not interfere with your governments handling of the situation. As soon as you attempt to destroy the American flag, now considered sacred, you will be gunned down in the street. Attacks on American Counsulates, Embassies or interests will cause you to be gunned down in the streets. A team will be dispatched to assist with removal of debris following our necessary action.
>
> We expect our actions to be considered with the same sensitivity now extended to persons who create havoc and destruction in support of their beliefs.
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Stan Klein, Sr.
> Homeless, live in a truck
> Will work for Chivas Regal/Johnny Walker Black
>
I must say, I like it!!
Daniel

From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Sun Feb  5 18:22:59 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Sun Feb  5 18:24:45 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
In-Reply-To: <20060205221148.TGKQ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.53.8]>
References: <20060205221148.TGKQ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[172.18.53.8]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602051816360.14413@trollboy.legomenon.org>

On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Stan Klein, Sr. wrote:

> If I had the power, the following message would go out to the world:

Wonderful! I shall mail a copy to Linc Chafee first thing tomorrow!

I suggest one amendment:

To whom it may concern. Effective immediately for all U.S. sovereign 
territories: all environmental constrictions on the exploration, drilling, 
pumping, shipment and refining of petroleum products are herewith 
suspended until further notice. Have a nice day.


-- 
Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 18:26:56 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Sun Feb  5 18:28:45 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602051816360.14413@trollboy.legomenon.org>
References: <20060205221148.TGKQ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@172.18.53.8>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602051816360.14413@trollboy.legomenon.org>
Message-ID: <46d72e000602051526i7d337e77y9b563b372e71c133@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/5/06, Bob Bernstein <zoidberg@legomenon.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Stan Klein, Sr. wrote:
>
> > If I had the power, the following message would go out to the world:
>
> Wonderful! I shall mail a copy to Linc Chafee first thing tomorrow!
>
> I suggest one amendment:
>
> To whom it may concern. Effective immediately for all U.S. sovereign
> territories: all environmental constrictions on the exploration, drilling,
> pumping, shipment and refining of petroleum products are herewith
> suspended until further notice. Have a nice day.
>
Love the amendment.
Daniel

From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Sun Feb  5 18:49:55 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Sun Feb  5 18:52:45 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
In-Reply-To: <46d72e000602051526i7d337e77y9b563b372e71c133@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060205221148.TGKQ5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@172.18.53.8>
	<Pine.LNX.4.63.0602051816360.14413@trollboy.legomenon.org>
	<46d72e000602051526i7d337e77y9b563b372e71c133@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602051848590.14413@trollboy.legomenon.org>

On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Daniel Kruse wrote:

> Love the amendment.

Thank you sir.

I felt the 'Have a nice day.' sorta struck just the right note. <g>


-- 
Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
From sjkleinsr at cox.net  Sun Feb  5 19:53:11 2006
From: sjkleinsr at cox.net (Stan Klein, Sr.)
Date: Sun Feb  5 21:03:48 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
Message-ID: <20060206005313.SVME8484.centrmmtao02.cox.net@[172.18.53.8]>

Makes good sense to me. Let er rip!!!
> 
> From: Bob Bernstein <zoidberg@legomenon.org>
> Subject: Re: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
> 
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Stan Klein, Sr. wrote:
> 
> > If I had the power, the following message would go out to the world:
> 
> Wonderful! I shall mail a copy to Linc Chafee first thing tomorrow!
> 
> I suggest one amendment:
> 
> To whom it may concern. Effective immediately for all U.S. sovereign 
> territories: all environmental constrictions on the exploration, drilling, 
> pumping, shipment and refining of petroleum products are herewith 
> suspended until further notice. Have a nice day.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
> 

Stan Klein, Sr.
Homeless, live in a truck
Will work for Chivas Regal/Johnny Walker Black

From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us  Sun Feb  5 21:06:43 2006
From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Sun Feb  5 21:07:47 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
Message-ID: <43E6AF33.5040107@bernstein.providence.ri.us>

Savage just mentioned this article, and here it is!

-=snip=-

Feb 3, 2006
	
SPEAKING FREELY
Iran and the jaws of a trap
By Paul Levian

Judging from the rather frantic behind-the-scenes efforts of Russia
and China in Iran, they seem to appreciate that the Iranian leadership
is in for a big and probably deadly surprise. The Bush administration
has not only handled its Iran dossier much more skillfully than Iraq,
but also managed to set up Iran for a war it can neither win nor fight
to a draw.

If the Iranian leaders think they can deter an attack because the US
is bogged down in Iraq they are already between the jaws of a well-set
trap. Though a Western war against Iran will be a big geopolitical
defeat for Russia and China, they cannot but resign themselves to this
outcome if they are unable to convince the Iranians to accept the
Russian proposal - ie uranium enrichment in Russia.

The Russians saw the writing on the wall when France, Germany and
Britain began to march in lockstep with the United States. In
particular, the widely but wrongly discounted nuclear belligerence of
President Jacques Chirac last month implied that France was ready to
accept the US use of nuclear weapons in a war against Iran if they saw
fit to do so.

The Iranian leadership's obvious confidence in its ability to deter
the US, Britain and Israel seems to rest on mainly four assumptions.
Iran is militarily much stronger than Iraq, much larger, its terrain
more difficult, its society more cohesive - thus more difficult to
defeat, to occupy and to pacify. In addition, President Mahmud
Ahmadinejad seems to take particular comfort from the widely
anticipated wave of popular outrage and anti-Western attacks in the
wider Middle East if Iran should be attacked.

Moreover, the economic costs of a war against Iran in terms of the
price of oil and the interruption of the Iranian supply would propel
the world economy into a tailspin. And finally, Iranian leaders seem
to accept at face value the US moans over its overstretched military
forces and the demoralization of US forces in Iraq.

Certainly, Iranian misconceptions are helped mightily by the defeatism
of the Western debate about such a war. "No good options" has become
something like the consensus view: an airborne and special forces
"surgical strike" (as well as a massive attack) against the Iranian
nuclear industry and military targets could at best delay its nuclear
program and will be followed by retaliation in Iraq, Lebanon etc; a
ground attack is out of the question because most of deployable US
ground forces are desperately busy in Iraq.

If such things could be planned, one might be persuaded to consider
this debate as an aspect of strategic deception. In fact, the US and
British forces in Iraq and in the Persian Gulf as well as the forces
in Afghanistan are quite able to redeploy on short notice, for example
during the days of an initial air campaign against Iran for
large-scale operations against the remaining Iranian forces and can be
reinforced during the war. The US military infrastructure at the
borders of Iran has a very substantial capability to deal with surge
requirements.

The somewhat standard scenario for this war - as indicated by Chinese
and Russian war games - has the following features:

An initial Israeli air attack against some Iranian nuclear targets,
command and control targets and Shahab missile sites. Iran retaliates
with its remaining missiles, tries to close the Gulf, attacks US naval
assets and American and British forces in Iraq. If Iranian missiles
have chemical warheads (in fact or presumed), the US will immediately
use nuclear weapons to destroy the Iranian military and industrial
infrastructure. If not, an air campaign of up to two weeks will
prepare the ground campaign for the occupation of the Iranian oil and
gas fields.

Mass mobilization in Iraq against US-British forces will be at most a
nuisance - easily suppressed by the ruthless employment of massive
firepower. And Israel will use the opportunity to deal with Syria and
South Lebanon, and possibly with its Palestinian problem.

The character of this war will be completely different from the Iraq
war. No show-casing of democracy, no "nation-building", no
journalists, no Red Cross - but the kind of war the United States
would have fought in North Vietnam if it had not had to reckon with
the Soviet Union and China.

Paul Levian is a former German intelligence officer.

(Copyright 2006 Paul Levian.)

Speaking Freely is an Asia Times Online feature that allows guest
writers to have their say. Please click here if you are interested in
contributing. 	

-=snip=-

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HB03Ak02.html
	


-- 
Bob Bernstein

A person of great honour in Ireland (who was pleased to
stoop so low as to look into my mind) used to tell me that
my mind was like a conjured spirit, that would do mischief
if I did not give it employment.
                                        Jonathan Swift
From prather.js at verizon.net  Sun Feb  5 20:07:44 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Sun Feb  5 21:08:48 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] The Supper Bowl Game
Message-ID: <0IU80027BR4WS6D1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

I call it that, because it starts when I'm supposed to sit down
for supper.  Or is it because that's what Snoopy calls it?

So it's halftime, and I feel that I've wasted half my time
watching this mess.  The Steelburg Spitters obviously have the
home field advantage, but have failed to dominate.  The Seahawks
are too far from salt water to stay within bounds on their pass
plays.  And the ads haven't been all that interesting or amusing
so far.  I'm supposed to watch the Rolling Stones during
halftime?

How soon can I go to bed, Mommy???

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From prather.js at verizon.net  Sun Feb  5 21:20:29 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Sun Feb  5 21:23:49 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <43E6AF33.5040107@bernstein.providence.ri.us>
Message-ID: <0IU800JAVUI52PJ9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:06:43 -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:

>Savage just mentioned this article, and here it is!

Wow!  What an interesting scenario...

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Sun Feb  5 21:32:35 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Sun Feb  5 21:33:48 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <0IU800JAVUI52PJ9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0IU800JAVUI52PJ9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602052129390.14413@trollboy.legomenon.org>

On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Jerry Prather wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:06:43 -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:

> Wow!  What an interesting scenario...

There's chatter in the system, such as this article, that this will not be 
a go-it-alone mission for either Israel or the U.S. And I have to hand 
it to Savage because he has been on that band for awhile now.

What I found right on target in the article was the analysis of the import 
of Chirac's statement re his country's nukes, i.e. the implication therein 
that France would back any U.S. use of nukes.


-- 
Bob (ZoidBoy) Bernstein
From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Sun Feb  5 22:07:21 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Sun Feb  5 22:07:49 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] great superbowl
Message-ID: <200602052207.21273.dep@drippingwithirony.com>

america defeated starbucks and microsoft.

dep
-- 
This triangle of truisms, of father, mother and child, cannot be
destroyed; it can only destroy those civilisations which disregard
it.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 22:04:21 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Sun Feb  5 22:14:49 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <43E6AF33.5040107@bernstein.providence.ri.us>
References: <43E6AF33.5040107@bernstein.providence.ri.us>
Message-ID: <46d72e000602051904q69663223ia5717e10c3b7519@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/5/06, Bob Bernstein <rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us> wrote:
> Savage just mentioned this article, and here it is!
>
> -=snip=-
>
Wow, that was good.
Daniel

From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Sun Feb  5 22:16:49 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Sun Feb  5 22:16:48 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <0IU800JAVUI52PJ9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0IU800JAVUI52PJ9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200602052216.50028.dep@drippingwithirony.com>

quoth Jerry Prather:
| On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:06:43 -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
| >Savage just mentioned this article, and here it is!
|
| Wow!  What an interesting scenario...

yeah, it is that. it is also wishful thinking. aintagonna happen.

dep
-- 
Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that everybody is free to
discuss religion. In practice it means that hardly anybody is allowed
to mention it.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From MSPRATH at aol.com  Sun Feb  5 23:03:48 2006
From: MSPRATH at aol.com (MSPRATH@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb  5 23:05:51 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
Message-ID: <2ce.2d19a7c.311824a4@aol.com>

 
That "aintagonna happen" was exactly what I was thinking.  Even though  I 
liked the premise.
 
Personally, I think we should tell Iran that they can go ahead and build a  
nuke.  But, if one gets used anywhere (not just on the US), Tehran's  gone.  
And that includes any bomb that comes from some non-nation  entity.  No 
questions asked.  Tehran's gone within minutes to be  followed by Mecca.  Then we put 
the onus on them to stop the  terrorism.  A slightly different twist on MAD.
 
Mike
 
In a message dated 2/5/2006 7:18:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
dep@drippingwithirony.com writes:

X-INFO:  INVALID TO LINE
quoth Jerry Prather:
| On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:06:43  -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
| >Savage just mentioned this article, and  here it is!
|
| Wow!  What an interesting scenario...

yeah,  it is that. it is also wishful thinking. aintagonna happen.

dep
--  
Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that everybody is free  to
discuss religion. In practice it means that hardly anybody is  allowed
to mention it.
-- G. K.  Chesterton
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From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Sun Feb  5 23:21:21 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Sun Feb  5 23:21:49 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <2ce.2d19a7c.311824a4@aol.com>
References: <2ce.2d19a7c.311824a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200602052321.21728.dep@drippingwithirony.com>

quoth MSPRATH@aol.com:
| That "aintagonna happen" was exactly what I was thinking.  Even
| though  I liked the premise.
|
| Personally, I think we should tell Iran that they can go ahead and
| build a nuke.  But, if one gets used anywhere (not just on the US),
| Tehran's  gone. And that includes any bomb that comes from some
| non-nation  entity.  No questions asked.  Tehran's gone within
| minutes to be  followed by Mecca.  Then we put the onus on them to
| stop the  terrorism.  A slightly different twist on MAD.

i agree, but for one problem: iranians are not arabs, and the arabs take 
great pride in that fact. iran, for instance, hates saudi arabia. it 
was not long ago that the discussion about an iranian nuke had to do 
with whether they'd use it on saudia. though with the current nutjob 
running the place, who knows.

dep
-- 
But in one respect, I will heartily concede, the cult of divorce has
differed from the mere cult of death.  The cult of death is dead.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 23:30:17 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Sun Feb  5 23:30:50 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] great superbowl
In-Reply-To: <200602052207.21273.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
References: <200602052207.21273.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
Message-ID: <46d72e000602052030p6e1ac2ddv27284a212d49efda@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/5/06, dennis e. powell <dep@drippingwithirony.com> wrote:
> america defeated starbucks and microsoft.
>
> dep
I didn't know starbucks is headquartered in the Pacific northwest. 
Hear-hear for the microsoft defeat.  YA.
Daniel

From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 23:34:27 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Sun Feb  5 23:34:50 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <200602052321.21728.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
References: <2ce.2d19a7c.311824a4@aol.com>
	<200602052321.21728.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
Message-ID: <46d72e000602052034s1cea745es8b1d0cc4614b567a@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/5/06, dennis e. powell <dep@drippingwithirony.com> wrote:
> quoth MSPRATH@aol.com:
> | That "aintagonna happen" was exactly what I was thinking.  Even
> | though  I liked the premise.
> |
> | Personally, I think we should tell Iran that they can go ahead and
> | build a nuke.  But, if one gets used anywhere (not just on the US),
> | Tehran's  gone. And that includes any bomb that comes from some
> | non-nation  entity.  No questions asked.  Tehran's gone within
> | minutes to be  followed by Mecca.  Then we put the onus on them to
> | stop the  terrorism.  A slightly different twist on MAD.
>

I like it, too.

> i agree, but for one problem: iranians are not arabs, and the arabs take
> great pride in that fact. iran, for instance, hates saudi arabia. it
> was not long ago that the discussion about an iranian nuke had to do
> with whether they'd use it on saudia. though with the current nutjob
> running the place, who knows.
>
> dep
Since all the Muslim/Islam factions have a hard time getting along,
why can't we rile things up between them (where they won't know it's
an outside influence riling them up), and let them be the solution to
our problems?
Daniel

From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Sun Feb  5 23:45:19 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dennis e. powell)
Date: Sun Feb  5 23:45:50 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <46d72e000602052034s1cea745es8b1d0cc4614b567a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce.2d19a7c.311824a4@aol.com>
	<200602052321.21728.dep@drippingwithirony.com>
	<46d72e000602052034s1cea745es8b1d0cc4614b567a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200602052345.19651.dep@drippingwithirony.com>

quoth Daniel Kruse:

| Since all the Muslim/Islam factions have a hard time getting along,
| why can't we rile things up between them (where they won't know it's
| an outside influence riling them up), and let them be the solution to
| our problems?

because we have this annoying establishment called the state department, 
the self-assigned purpose of which is maintaining the status quo rather 
than the solution of problems. it thumbs its nose at presidents. and 
the world would be a better place if about half its career employees 
were taken out and shot. (right after we're done with trial lawyers, 
which will take a little while, because there are a half dozen honest 
trial lawyers, who survive in the business because they keep their 
honesty a secret, and they actually oughtn't be shot. fortunately, i 
know all of them.)

dep
-- 
The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or
drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is
certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if
he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From prather.js at verizon.net  Sun Feb  5 20:00:26 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Mon Feb  6 00:15:50 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Message to the World
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0602051816360.14413@trollboy.legomenon.org>
Message-ID: <0IU800CTBQSQTEU7@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:22:59 -0500 (EST), Bob Bernstein wrote:

>I suggest one amendment:
>
>To whom it may concern. Effective immediately for all U.S. sovereign 
>territories: all environmental constrictions on the exploration, drilling, 
>pumping, shipment and refining of petroleum products are herewith 
>suspended until further notice. Have a nice day.

I'll second that Amendment!

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From spmaiorca at cox.net  Mon Feb  6 01:21:29 2006
From: spmaiorca at cox.net (S.P. Maiorca)
Date: Mon Feb  6 01:22:51 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] The Supper Bowl Game
In-Reply-To: <0IU80027BR4WS6D1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0IU80027BR4WS6D1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200602052221.29753.spmaiorca@cox.net>

I was working and doing some writing...

On Sunday 05 February 2006 5:07 pm, Jerry Prather wrote:
> I call it that, because it starts when I'm supposed to sit down
> for supper.  Or is it because that's what Snoopy calls it?
>
> So it's halftime, and I feel that I've wasted half my time
> watching this mess.  The Steelburg Spitters obviously have the
> home field advantage, but have failed to dominate.  The Seahawks
> are too far from salt water to stay within bounds on their pass
> plays.  And the ads haven't been all that interesting or amusing
> so far.  I'm supposed to watch the Rolling Stones during
> halftime?
>
> How soon can I go to bed, Mommy???
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.
>
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From sjkleinsr at cox.net  Mon Feb  6 04:40:34 2006
From: sjkleinsr at cox.net (Stan Klein, Sr.)
Date: Mon Feb  6 04:43:55 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Current Events
Message-ID: <20060206094032.SXCA8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[172.18.53.8]>

Current events at:  http://www.geekculture.org/joyoftech/index.html

Stan Klein, Sr.
Homeless, live in a truck
Will work for Chivas Regal/Johnny Walker Black

From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Mon Feb  6 13:56:45 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Mon Feb  6 13:59:03 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Dear Arlen and Pat....
Message-ID: <38600.70.172.219.12.1139252205.squirrel@legomenon.org>

(Linked to by Rush...)

http://www.morgancunningham.net/downloads/article_18.pdf


-- 
Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
Still to unhappy, restless thoughts inclined:
To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.

From mriddle at papillion.ne.us  Mon Feb  6 16:43:48 2006
From: mriddle at papillion.ne.us (Mike Riddle)
Date: Mon Feb  6 16:53:04 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd:  New Law Firm Coming to Town
Message-ID: <20060206214358.MTKL8484.centrmmtao02.cox.net@enigmaster>

A new law firm is coming to a town near you.  

And you includes the lawyers' favorite journalist, dep.

;-)



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From dep at drippingwithirony.com  Mon Feb  6 17:22:31 2006
From: dep at drippingwithirony.com (dep)
Date: Mon Feb  6 17:23:05 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd:  New Law Firm Coming to Town
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quoth Mike Riddle:
| A new law firm is coming to a town near you.
|
| And you includes the lawyers' favorite journalist, dep.
|
| ;-)

very amusing.

and it's not that i so much object to lawyers as to the fact that the 
practice of law is allowed and prostitution is not, yet the two closely 
resemble each other, differing only in that the latter provides some 
satisfaction.
-- 
dep

If there were no God, there would be no atheists.
		-- G. K. Chesterton
From prather.js at verizon.net  Mon Feb  6 16:24:22 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Mon Feb  6 18:01:05 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Fwd: RE: [jazz-westcoast] interesting editorial
	today - is this it ???
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This may be what Linda spotted in the Arizona Star today :
(Gordon Sapsed)


Opinion
My opinion Jonah Goldberg: Rappers sell fans pig in mainstream
poke
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 02.06.2006
advertisement
I am in no position to judge the merits of Kanye West's music. I
stopped
listening to rap when you could still find Grandmaster Flash and
the Furious
Five on the radio. These days, I think it's mostly just noise.
When people tell me, "Oh, but it's technically very
complicated," or "You
don't understand how much work goes into it," I'm reminded of a
scene from
"Don Quixote":
A man walks to the center of town and gathers a crowd for the
show he's
about to put on. The man picks up a dog and inserts a tube into
its rump. He
begins to inflate the canine. The crowd watches, fascinated. The
dog grows
larger and rounder.
Eventually, the man pulls the tube out and the air escapes
loudly from the
poor pooch's rear as it runs away. The man turns to the crowd
and asks: "You
think it's easy to inflate a dog with a tube?"
Moral: Just because someone works hard at something doesn't mean
it's great
art.
That's my disclosure for those who'd charge me with not
"getting" rap music:
guilty as charged.
But I do think I understand marketing and public relations, and
I am
astounded by the naivete of young people - black and white - who
actually
buy the canned rebelliousness not just of rap music but of most
pop music.
West is simply the latest example of decades of hucksterism.
Under the
headline "The Passion of Kanye West," the rap star graces the
cover of
Rolling Stone posing as a bloodied Jesus with a crown of thorns.
I particularly enjoy the publicity around the piece. Clearly
borrowing from
the same press release, publications across the country proclaim
that the
"outspoken rapper defends his brash attitude inside the
magazine."
Ah, yes. It's about time. After all, it's so rare to find a
rapper with a
brash attitude. Normally they're shy, retiring types overflowing
with
modesty and humility. I was particularly enamored with the "aw,
shucks" Andy
Griffith personalities of Niggaz With Attitude and the late
Tupac Shakur.
We're supposed to believe West has been persecuted for his
anti-Bush tirades
and his determination to keep it real. But his biggest complaint
is that
people criticize him for being arrogant.
"You want me to be great, but you don't ever want me to say I'm
great?" he
asks.
Of course, the editors also hoped to stir up some controversy,
maybe even
incite some religious conservatives to play to type, by
exploiting the
imagery of Jesus' suffering. I never went to Sunday school, but
I don't
recall that Jesus was crucified for being smug.
It's all such an obvious con game. We hear so much about how
kids today are
cynical, skeptical, media-savvy and so forth. But if they're
buying this
hooey, they're idiots.
Obviously, none of this is unique to rap or "black" music
(quotation marks
necessary because white suburban kids are the biggest market for
the stuff).
Big corporations have been marketing "rebellion" since the
1950s. And the
kids fall for it every time.
As far as the music industry goes, Kanye West is mainstream, but
he won't
admit it. Instead he sells himself as a victim of a society that
can't
handle his truth. Four million records sold and saturation
adulation in the
media suggest it can handle his truth just fine.
The problem is, it ain't the truth. It's just a scam for kids
who don't
realize they're being played - again.
Want to be a real rebel? Read a book.
Contact Jonah Goldberg at JonahsColumn@aol.com


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From prather.js at verizon.net  Mon Feb  6 18:32:10 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Mon Feb  6 18:36:06 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Democrats tire me out...
Message-ID: <0IUA00EULHDMSDU0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>

I'm tired of moveon.org and their Congressional sycophants
ranting about how the Bush administration has broken the law:
i.e., FISA.

My challenge to them is: bring a law suit.

They ain't a gonna do that, because they know that FISA is
unconstitutional.  The President has the right to this
"intrusion" and the Dems know it and have used it in the past.

Bring it to the law, or shut up, Dems!


Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Mon Feb  6 18:59:00 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Mon Feb  6 19:04:09 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Democrats tire me out...
In-Reply-To: <0IUA00EULHDMSDU0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200602062359.k16Nx1Bt017808@oasis.novia.net>

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:32:10 -0500 (EST), Jerry Prather wrote:

>I'm tired of moveon.org and their Congressional sycophants
>ranting about how the Bush administration has broken the law:
>i.e., FISA.

>My challenge to them is: bring a law suit.

>They ain't a gonna do that, because they know that FISA is
>unconstitutional.  The President has the right to this
>"intrusion" and the Dems know it and have used it in the past.

>Bring it to the law, or shut up, Dems!




http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/
EFF's Class-Action Lawsuit Against AT&T for Collaboration with 
Illegal Domestic Spying Program

     * FAQ
     * Summary of Key News Reports
     * Legal Documents
     * Related Links

The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed a class-action lawsuit 
against AT&T on January 31, 2006, accusing the telecom giant of 
violating the law and the privacy of its customers by collaborating 
with the National Security Agency (NSA) in its massive and illegal 
program to wiretap and data-mine Americans' communications.

In December of 2005, the press revealed that the government had 
instituted a comprehensive and warrantless electronic surveillance 
program that ignored the careful safeguards set forth by Congress. 
This surveillance program, purportedly authorized by the President at 
least as early as 2001 and primarily undertaken by the NSA, 
intercepts and analyzes the communications of millions of ordinary 
Americans.

In the largest "fishing expedition" ever devised, the NSA uses 
powerful computers to "data-mine" the contents of these Internet and 
telephone communications for suspicious names, numbers, and words, 
and to analyze traffic data indicating who is calling and emailing 
whom in order to identify persons who may be "linked" to "suspicious 
activities," suspected terrorists or other investigatory targets, 
whether directly or indirectly.

But the government did not act-and is not acting-alone. The 
government requires the collaboration of major telecommunications 
companies to implement its unprecedented and illegal domestic spying 
program.

AT&T Corp. (which was recently acquired by the new AT&T, Inc,. 
formerly known as SBC Communications) maintains domestic 
telecommunications facilities over which millions of Americans' 
telephone and Internet communications pass every day. It also manages 
some of the largest databases in the world, containing records of 
most or all communications made through its myriad telecommunications 
services.

The lawsuits alleges that AT&T Corp. has opened its key 
telecommunications facilities and databases to direct access by the 
NSA and/or other government agencies, thereby disclosing to the 
government the contents of its customers' communications as well as 
detailed communications records about millions of its customers, 
including the lawsuit's class members.

The lawsuit also alleges that AT&T has given the government 
unfettered access to its over 300 terabyte "Daytona" database of 
caller information -- one of the largest databases in the world. 
Moreover, by opening its network and databases to wholesale 
surveillance by the NSA, EFF alleges that AT&T has violated the 
privacy of its customers and the people they call and email, as well 
as broken longstanding communications privacy laws.

The lawsuit also alleges that AT&T continues to assist the government 
in its secret surveillance of millions of Americans. EFF, on behalf 
of a nationwide class of AT&T customers, is suing to stop this 
illegal conduct and hold AT&T responsible for its illegal 
collaboration in the government's domestic spying program, which has 
violated the law and damaged the fundamental freedoms of the American 
public.





From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Mon Feb  6 19:14:51 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Mon Feb  6 19:16:07 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Democrats tire me out...
In-Reply-To: <0IUA00EULHDMSDU0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0IUA00EULHDMSDU0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <39494.70.172.219.12.1139271291.squirrel@legomenon.org>

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On Mon, February 6, 2006 6:32 pm, Jerry Prather said:

> I'm tired of moveon.org and their Congressional sycophants
> ranting about how the Bush administration has broken the law:
> i.e., FISA.

This 'tactic' of theirs could backfire. Much as I don't think the
election this year is going to be a slamdunk for the Republicans, I
also think there are a LOT of VERY angry people out there who resent
LIKE HELL the Dems playing politics with their lives and the future of
the nation.

What do the assembled faithful think about this November?


- --
Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
Still to unhappy, restless thoughts inclined:
To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.

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From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Mon Feb  6 19:22:09 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Mon Feb  6 19:23:07 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] ...and foithermore
Message-ID: <39528.70.172.219.12.1139271729.squirrel@legomenon.org>

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Here's an internet fun-fact that I discovered last night looking for
an article: type 'congress foreign secret Constitution' into google
and the first two hits are to opinionjournal.com! The second one, by
Pete du Pont, gives the best argument yet for reading the Constitution
in favor of the executive regarding foreign espionage and national
security generally:

"we find by fatal experience that Congress consists of too many
members to keep secrets."  B. Franklin

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110007823




- --
Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
Still to unhappy, restless thoughts inclined:
To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.

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From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Mon Feb  6 19:21:16 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Mon Feb  6 19:24:07 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Democrats tire me out...
In-Reply-To: <0IUA00EG9IZYWV70@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200602070021.k170LG63025023@oasis.novia.net>

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:07:08 -0500 (EST), Jerry Prather wrote:

>>http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/
>>EFF's Class-Action Lawsuit Against AT&T for Collaboration with 
>>Illegal Domestic Spying Program

>Yeah, I knew about that.  But where is the open association of
>the Democrats with that suit?  Will it get heard it time to make
>any difference?  It's all the (smarmy) art of politics...

Did you read the LA Times editorial I posted earlier today?  Need any 
more proof?

Filing a suit against AT&T is pretty elegant (sneaky?).  If the program 
does what the press thinks it does, it's because the Telcos are 
cooperating by providing access, probably under the CALEA that was 
passed in the 90s.




From prather.js at verizon.net  Mon Feb  6 19:32:15 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Mon Feb  6 19:33:08 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] ...and foithermore
In-Reply-To: <39528.70.172.219.12.1139271729.squirrel@legomenon.org>
Message-ID: <0IUA009CAK5RYSV1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:22:09 -0500 (EST), Bob Bernstein wrote:

>"we find by fatal experience that Congress consists of too many
>members to keep secrets."  B. Franklin

[My new .sig!  Thanks!]

"We find by fatal experience that Congress consists of too many
members to keep secrets."  B. Franklin


From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Mon Feb  6 20:31:59 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Mon Feb  6 21:24:09 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Democrats tire me out...
In-Reply-To: <200602070021.k170LG63025023@oasis.novia.net>
References: <0IUA00EG9IZYWV70@vms042.mailsrvcs.net>
	<200602070021.k170LG63025023@oasis.novia.net>
Message-ID: <39691.70.172.219.12.1139275919.squirrel@legomenon.org>

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On Mon, February 6, 2006 7:21 pm, Mike Riddle said:

> Did you read the LA Times editorial I posted earlier today?

I couldn't get through it. I made me queasy.

> probably under the CALEA that was passed in the 90s.
                     ^^^^^

Ok, for the peanut gallery, qu'est-ce que 'CALEA'?


<mumble><grumble><grumble>everybody's a damn expert<grumble><grumble>

- --
Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
Still to unhappy, restless thoughts inclined:
To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.


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From zoidberg at legomenon.org  Mon Feb  6 20:48:27 2006
From: zoidberg at legomenon.org (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Mon Feb  6 21:24:10 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] ...and foithermore
In-Reply-To: <0IUA009CAK5RYSV1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <39528.70.172.219.12.1139271729.squirrel@legomenon.org>
	<0IUA009CAK5RYSV1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <39720.70.172.219.12.1139276907.squirrel@legomenon.org>


On Mon, February 6, 2006 7:32 pm, Jerry Prather said:

>> "we find by fatal experience that Congress consists of too many
>> members to keep secrets."  B. Franklin
>
> [My new .sig!  Thanks!]

You're welcome!

You said earlier tonight that you believe FISA is unconstitutional.
Can you share why, and/or what you've read to that effect?

My sense is that it must gall the Dem's to no end that FISA is,
apparently, an _optional_ exercise in some cases, namely those where
-- as in the NSA program in dispute -- one end of the communication
arises in a foreign country. That narrows the "mandatory" scope of
FISA to....what? Eavesdropping on communcations wholly contained
within U.S. geography but transpiring between foreign agents,
including U.S. citizens acting as same? (I realize that the writers of
FISA did not intend this outcome!)

I think that the condition of "during wartime" is not needed to assert
the commander-in-chief's responsibility and concomitant authority to
pursue such foreign intelligence as he deems necessary for the safety
of the realm.

Therefore, to the degree FISA encroaches on the executive's ability to
undertake the unfettered pursuit of foreign intelligence, then it must
unconstitutional.

Pick one:

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] You promised you'd lay off the NyQuil!





-- 
Bob Bernstein

To thee I owe that fatal bent of mind,
Still to unhappy, restless thoughts inclined:
To thee what oft I vainly strive to hide,
That scorn of fools, by fools mistook for pride;

         Swift, to his "Malignant goddess" 1693.

From prather.js at verizon.net  Mon Feb  6 08:20:05 2006
From: prather.js at verizon.net (Jerry Prather)
Date: Mon Feb  6 21:25:08 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Yet another must-read
In-Reply-To: <46d72e000602052034s1cea745es8b1d0cc4614b567a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0IU900DWPP1IT9C2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net>

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:34:27 -0600, Daniel Kruse wrote:

>Since all the Muslim/Islam factions have a hard time getting along,
>why can't we rile things up between them (where they won't know it's
>an outside influence riling them up), and let them be the solution to
>our problems?

That was tried (although I don't know that we were  behind it). 
Iraq and Iran messed each other up pretty badly, but Iran didn't
take down Saddam, and Iraq didn't end the theocracy.  Both were
incompetent, as usual;  but they killed a lot of Muslims.  

No, I think a better target is to get the Iranians to rise up
against their nut case government.  I trust the Persian people
more than the Arabs (for whatever that's worth).

Jerry
--
Jazz is alive and well and living in Brasil.

From mriddle at oasis.novia.net  Mon Feb  6 21:44:34 2006
From: mriddle at oasis.novia.net (Mike Riddle)
Date: Mon Feb  6 21:45:10 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Democrats tire me out...
In-Reply-To: <39691.70.172.219.12.1139275919.squirrel@legomenon.org>
Message-ID: <200602070244.k172icbl008920@oasis.novia.net>

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:31:59 -0500 (EST), Bob Bernstein wrote:

>Ok, for the peanut gallery, qu'est-ce que 'CALEA'?

"Commnications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act."

Glad you asked?




From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 23:31:19 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Mon Feb  6 23:32:10 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Current Events
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On 2/6/06, Stan Klein, Sr. <sjkleinsr@cox.net> wrote:
> Current events at:  http://www.geekculture.org/joyoftech/index.html
>
> Stan Klein, Sr.
> Homeless, live in a truck
> Will work for Chivas Regal/Johnny Walker Black
>
Ouch.
Daniel

From daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 23:53:45 2006
From: daniel.lee.kruse at gmail.com (Daniel Kruse)
Date: Mon Feb  6 23:54:11 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Democrats tire me out...
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On 2/6/06, Bob Bernstein <zoidberg@legomenon.org> wrote:
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> This 'tactic' of theirs could backfire. Much as I don't think the
> election this year is going to be a slamdunk for the Republicans, I
> also think there are a LOT of VERY angry people out there who resent
> LIKE HELL the Dems playing politics with their lives and the future of
> the nation.
>
> What do the assembled faithful think about this November?
>
>
Since you asked...
I'm going to guess more moderates/conservatives will gain seats and
more wackos will be ousted - I hope, anyway.
Daniel

From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us  Tue Feb  7 03:42:09 2006
From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein)
Date: Tue Feb  7 03:43:16 2006
Subject: [os2-right-stuff-l] Is the jig up?
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The Wall Street Journal 		

Assad and the Ayatollah
February 7, 2006; Page A26

In the matter of those Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed,
reasonable people may differ on the wisdom of their publication. The
reaction among some elements in Muslim communities is another issue.

In Britain, Muslim protesters carried placards reading, "Butcher those
who mock Islam." In Gaza, Palestinian gunmen stormed the offices of
the European Union, never mind the billions the EU has disbursed in
humanitarian aid over the years. In Beirut