From gary5410 at aol.com Mon Feb 1 00:22:05 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:22:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Dreaming and Planning my Summer Adventures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC70EBB7F4CE2A-9FC-8D20@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> Here's a thread on ADV about the Goose Bay ride..... http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92207 Gary Christman '07R 1200 GS Adventure <<-----Original Message----- PAC: I have been wanting to go to Labrador for some years as it is the last eastern Canadian province for me to venture through. I've been doing some research on routes and it is looking very adventursome. A map link below shows where I need to go. http://www.labradorwest.com/images/labwestmap.jpg Jim Robinson West Chester PA>> From Ducdude at verizon.net Mon Feb 1 00:39:15 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:39:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Siemens matching donation to Haiti? References: <8bafeb801001311621n2f17ba31g12d2b75e23d2cbfa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62B4D4A1E08048328776B4B8E0A5F451@heilveil5e3fdd> Good day all, We collected about $175.00 that Siemens matched from the Pac and Siemens then upped their match to a million and then donations we over ran that amount as well... So, lots of help going to Haiti.. If any of you who donated wish to see the receipt documentation please just let me know. As the donations came in over 2 weeks there were a few seperat donations made. Thank you all for your generosity! Cheers, DucDude From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 01:39:18 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:39:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Better understanding Motorcycle suspensions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4431121001311739s2370febbjcd84b6be5cf5a1c5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > and BMWs contribution to them. > > http://www.carbibles.com/suspension_bible_bikes.html > > Note to Bobby LeB. ?See, I can find or have tossed to me Moto stuff.... What a B.S. artist! Trail is not a direct function of rake! Triple clamp offset and axle offset also influence trail. This guy hasn't a clue. Dano From Braveirwin at aol.com Mon Feb 1 01:56:48 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:56:48 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: There are odd airplanes, but this is REAL ODD Message-ID: <144a2.4c6d7c51.38978ee0@aol.com> In a message dated 1/31/2010 8:26:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us writes: Wow, that must have been tough without a propeller to see what the engine was doing. I thought it was an airplane only trick. =============================================== Since it was still a 6 volt system, it was easy to hear it come up against the compression of a cylinder and stop. You can also hear it roll back a bit after you let off on the starter, although it isn't hard to see the cooling fan from the operators seat either. The old engine has a heavy fly wheel so if you could get a little bit more momentum from another shot of fresh voltage along with the extra few inches of fly wheel momentum by letting it roll back away from TDC, it would often start on the second or third try. After that, it was diminishing returns because of the drop in battery power. The darn thing has a place to crank it with a hand crank too but I could never imagine what size man could ever start that thing by hand. With an air plane, you've got a bit more leverage but you'd better be ready to step back when either one of them starts That sounds like a really fun job you had at the air port. It's a wonder you haven't become a life long flyer. Roddy.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100131/4309312d/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 02:01:13 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:01:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: There are odd airplanes, but this is REAL ODD In-Reply-To: <144a2.4c6d7c51.38978ee0@aol.com> References: <144a2.4c6d7c51.38978ee0@aol.com> Message-ID: On 1/31/10, Braveirwin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/31/2010 8:26:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us writes: > > Wow, that must have been tough without a propeller to see what the > engine was doing. I thought it was an airplane only trick. > =============================================== > > Since it was still a 6 volt system, it was easy to hear it come up against > the compression of a cylinder and stop. You can also hear it roll back a bit > after you let off on the starter, although it isn't hard to see the cooling > fan from the operators seat either. The old engine has a heavy fly wheel so Both of you have a "sense for machinery". At one time I thought everyone "could" have it. I have been disuaded from that idear. :(:( -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From mjcantwe at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 02:00:06 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:00:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... Message-ID: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> Engineer types might like the curves... http://www.nfb.ca/film/How_to_Build_an_Igloo From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 1 02:29:48 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:29:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B65F64C.10922.D5F799@localhost> > Engineer types might like the curves... > > http://www.nfb.ca/film/How_to_Build_an_Igloo I can hardly make a snowman. That was impressive! Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From rcavalie at verizon.net Mon Feb 1 04:34:34 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:34:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01caa2f7$df58efd0$9e0acf70$@net> That was very elegant! All the material came from excavating the footprint of the igloo. And all they needed was a snow knife! I now think that over all the building trades, the difference between how easy it looked and how hard it was to do was maximized in the masonry trade. As a much younger man, I used to think masonry was straightforward until I tried it myself. Boy was that a humbling experience! I suspect the same kind of thing happens in building igloos - there is a huge amount of unseen skill in forming and fitting those blocks. Mike, thanks for a very cool video. Rick 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Michael Cantwell Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:00 PM To: mac-Pac Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... Engineer types might like the curves... http://www.nfb.ca/film/How_to_Build_an_Igloo From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 05:07:18 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 00:07:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1/31/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: > Engineer types might like the curves... > > http://www.nfb.ca/film/How_to_Build_an_Igloo The Eskimo's have what 32 different words for snow to distinguish between the types? What do they do before the hard pack windblown snow accumulates? What do they do if there is none where they are? We don't know if this took them 20 tries either? The "top" blocks need the two people too. Kinda like sheet rock on a ceiling. Notice how "hard" those sleeping robes where... Cool film. Really. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From mjcantwe at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 05:18:09 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 00:18:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801001312118y24f790bdq4ff41407f06d6378@mail.gmail.com> > What do they do before the hard pack windblown snow accumulates? Suffer. > What do they do if there is none where they are? They sleep in a freshly killed seal carcass (like Luke Skywalker in 'Empire Strikes Back') > We don't know if this took them 20 tries either? The video indicated that it took those guys about and hour and a half to do that shelter. > The "top" blocks need the two people too. ?Kinda like sheet rock on a ceiling. No it doesn't. One person can do it without any problem. > Notice how "hard" those sleeping robes where... those were the furs that are used to cover the floor. Looks like they were a bit frozen. > Cool film. ?Really. looks about thirty below, eh? From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 05:22:36 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 00:22:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801001312118y24f790bdq4ff41407f06d6378@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> <8bafeb801001312118y24f790bdq4ff41407f06d6378@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/1/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: > > We don't know if this took them 20 tries either? > > The video indicated that it took those guys about and hour and a half > to do that shelter. But not how many tries. > > The "top" blocks need the two people too. Kinda like sheet rock on a ceiling. > > No it doesn't. One person can do it without any problem. Is that the voice of experience? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From gary5410 at aol.com Mon Feb 1 05:27:33 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:27:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: <000f01caa2f7$df58efd0$9e0acf70$@net> References: <000f01caa2f7$df58efd0$9e0acf70$@net> Message-ID: <8CC71166446B588-52E8-1F6FD@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com> I tried my hand at a block wall........I had the same learning experience!!! Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure <<-----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Cavaliere ....the difference between how easy it looked and how hard it was to do was maximized in the masonry trade. As a much younger man, I used to think masonry was straightforward until I tried it myself. Boy was that a humbling experience.... Rick 1985 K100RT>> From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 06:16:44 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 01:16:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? Message-ID: Yes for me for both sets. =============== A Short Neurological Test First 1- Find the C below.. Please do not use any cursor help. 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If you were able to pass these 3 tests, you can cancel your annual visit to your neurologist. Your brain is great and you're far from having a close relationship with Alzheimer. Congratulations! http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/cambridge.asp eonvrye that can raed this rsaie your hnad. To my 'selected' strange-minded friends: If you can read the following paragraph, forward it on to your friends and the person that sent it to you with 'yes' in the subject line. Only great minds can read this This is weird, but interesting! If you can raed this, you have a sgtrane mnid too Can you raed this? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in what oerdr the ltteres in a word are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a pboerlm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! If you can raed this forwrad it FORWARD ONLY IF YOU CAN READ IT Forward it & put 'YES' in the Subject Line This courtesy of "Little Bob" Atkinson a man who does not need a third hole in the head anymore than a third eye!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 12:22:28 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801001312118y24f790bdq4ff41407f06d6378@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1839877635.1960131265026948611.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > What do they do if there is none where they are? >They sleep in a freshly killed seal carcass (like Luke Skywalker in >'Empire Strikes Back') To be more accurate Han Solo kills his Taun Taun, then slices it open with Luke's with a light saber, then shoves Luke inside. Great friend. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From twowheeleric at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 14:19:31 2010 From: twowheeleric at gmail.com (eric starliper) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:19:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Employee OF THE MONTH Message-ID: <36d5f6071002010619k1dc61518oe8720ba341c50460@mail.gmail.com> A young guy from Wisconsin moves to Florida and goes to a big "everything-under-one-roof" department store looking for a job. The Manager says, "Do you have any sales experience?" The kid says, "Yeah. I was a salesman back in Wisconsin." Well,.. the boss liked the kid and gave him the job. "You start tomorrow," he said. "After we close, I'll come down and see how you did." His first day on the job was real rough, but he got through it. After the store was all locked up, the boss came down and asks the kid.... "How many customers bought something from you today?" The kid says, "Well, it was a tough day. I only had one customer that bought something." The boss says, "Just one? Our sales people average 20 to 30 sales a day. How much was the sale for?" The kid says, "$101,237.65.." The boss says, "$101,237.65? What the heck did you sell?" The kid says, "First, I sold him a small fish hook. Then I sold him a medium fishhook. Then I sold him a larger fishhook. Then I sold him a new fishing rod. Then I asked him where he was going fishing, and he said 'Down the coast', so I told him he was going to need a boat, so we went down to the boat department, and I sold him a twin engine Chris Craft. Then he said he didn't think his his Honda Civic would pull it, so I took him down to the automotive department and sold him that 4x4 Expedition." The boss said, "You mean a guy came in here to buy a fish hook - and you sold him a BOAT and a TRUCK?" The kid said "No. The guy came in here to buy tampons for his wife, and I said, 'Dude, your weekend's shot, you should go fishing.'" -- Sent from my mobile device Eric Starliper R1200R RIP 9-18-2008 From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 14:59:16 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 09:59:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Open Office? In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11001301856g4af03e8cvf0919595f39af374@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 1/30/10, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: >> Does anyone have any thoughts; pro or con on down loading and using >> ?Open Office? It's 150+MB file will take for ever to down load - (maybe >> ?try a mirror site?). > > Came down fast for me. ?Works. ?Is less compatible than Word for Mac > vs Word for Windows. ?Simple stuff is better than complex. ?It > digested Office 2K3 stuff a LOT better than the 2K7 stuff. ?But there > was more time to figure out what MSFT was doing on 2K3 than 2K7. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Oo details here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org 2008 review here, this guy likes it a lot. http://blogs.computerworld.com/review_of_final_openoffice_3_why_buy_microsoft_office "The final version of OpenOffice 3 is out today, and if you're looking to save yourself plenty of money, download it instead of buying Microsoft Office --- you could save yourself hundreds of dollars, and not lose out on many features. I put the Windows version through its paces, and am about to download the Linux version as well. The suite has six full-blown applications: the Writer word processor, Calc spreadsheet, Impress presentations program, Base database program, Math equation editor, and Draw graphics program. Given that the full suite is free, this is one of the best deals you'll find in all of computing. It'll do just about anything you expect from an office suite, whether creating documents, spreadsheets, or presentations. You'll find solid formatting tools, as well as extras including mail merge, macros, charting capabilities, and more. ------------ Be aware Oo can't create the newer MS XML "docx" or "docm" format. So if you need that format, stick with MS Office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML I've installed Oo, with no issues. (Xp, SP3 Dell ) Though I've not played with it much, because I have a free version of Windoze Office 2003 from work. Did we mention Oo was free? If your ISP is slow, get a half fast friend to burn it to a CD or memory stick. 150MB is doable even on DSL. 20-55 minutes depending on your ISP's speed http://www.onlineconversion.com/downloadspeed.htm Forget it on dial up. Have fun! EPH From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 15:00:51 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:00:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: <4B65F64C.10922.D5F799@localhost> References: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com> <4B65F64C.10922.D5F799@localhost> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > > >> Engineer types might like the curves... >> >> http://www.nfb.ca/film/How_to_Build_an_Igloo > > I can hardly make a snowman. ?That was impressive! > Very impressive. Note the film is about 50 years old, sadly indicating to me that these were among the last of the eskimos who do this. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 15:17:05 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:17:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Modec electric truck video Message-ID: <4a4431121002010717l7ee7e681ybe5b124517b4add7@mail.gmail.com> Forget about the tree hugger part of all electric urban work vehicles. They run for pennies, not dollars and flat batteries can be instantly exchanged for freshly charged ones. See video: http://www.modeczev.com/images_and_videos.asp ECO Dano Greensboro NC From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 15:28:42 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:28:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] opee the motocross dog Message-ID: >From yesterday's Inky. Nice article. Great dog. http://www.philly.com/philly/living/83184762.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/23/opee-motocross-dog-goes-1_n_433832.html Video clip here http://jalopnik.com/5458672/meet-opee-the-baja+racing-dirt-bike-dog Probably not a good idea if your dog is huge. Though Australian Shepherds go 50-65 lbs...... Lots of extra weight on the front end! EPH From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 1 16:33:51 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:33:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801001311800m46aaf459wc43a5fcde67e50a2@mail.gmail.com><4B65F64C.10922.D5F799@localhost> Message-ID: <8CC7173789EE728-A00-239FF@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> <> A client of mine from Vermont is a researcher who does lots of Inuit Eskimo contact and visits. He tells me that they consider the art of building an igloo to be a critical part of their heritage and they are pretty adamant that their kids learn how to do it. The problem is that the character of the snow pack is changing and the available "correct" snow is often very far out on the winter sea ice from their villages. Since they "commute" to those areas via snow machine instead of just wandering with the ice pack, things have changed as to how far they can take the kids safely. The kids have to attend 'white man's school" too, becaus they are realistic that their kids will need to know the ways of our culture. We tried building an igloo from the dense snow pushed up by snowplows near my house in NH, about 7 or 8 years ago. My client was there, and said "wrong snow, it won't be stable." My friend would not get inside. He said that a bad igloo has its own Inuit name that roughly translates as "snow grave." The igloo fell inon itself in two days. Tidbit: It is a widely-held myth hat the Inuit have almost 50 words in their vocabulary for "snow." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow should clear that up without me doing a lot of writing. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Raymond To: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Cc: mac-Pac Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:00 am Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT...My shelter for the cold harsh winter... On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > > >> Engineer types might like the curves... >> >> http://www.nfb.ca/film/How_to_Build_an_Igloo > > I can hardly make a snowman. ?That was impressive! > Very impressive. Note the film is about 50 years old, sadly indicating to me that these were among the last of the eskimos who do this. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From mrmevans at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 16:39:33 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:39:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Road Hazards Message-ID: <8296f6de1002010839i42d92ebdhdc616282055060e3@mail.gmail.com> I was just sitting in my SUV at a red light when a pick-up came to a stop in the lane next to me. The 1/2 dozen 2X10s atop his ladder rack kept going. I'm sure glad he didn't stop behind me. Then I thought, imagine if he stopped behind me and I was on the bike. When stopped at a light on the bike I regularly monitor vehicles approaching from behind to determine if they will stop in time, but this, I don't think I would have seen this coming. The boards careened off the top edge of his plow which gave them a little extra sustained altitude and they landed in the road ahead of him. Good thing no one was ahead of him period. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 17:18:50 2010 From: hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com (hugh mccann) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:18:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] for all you do-it-your-self-ers Message-ID: http://ghettocomputers.wordpress.com/tag/ghetto-computer/ if there is a will, there is clearly a fire hazard. From motoedde2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 17:39:21 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:39:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Speculation and Securitization=>Deja Vu Message-ID: Some folks may not enjoy this trip down Memory Lane. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/business/29norris.html The money quote: "A major difference between then and now is that most of the real estate securities issued in the 1920s went to build structures, many of which still stand and provide housing or employment. A much greater proportion of real estate securitizations in the last decade went to help people buy existing buildings, an activity that left behind no such legacy." On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:23 AM, edde m wrote: > An interesting Case Study! > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/nyregion/26stuy.html?pagewanted=1&hp > > > > -- > edde m > 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), > 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) > Philadelphia, US > web: motoedde > -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From motorrader at verizon.net Mon Feb 1 17:42:50 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:42:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! Message-ID: <7EB151D430A945CEAFF3616375685663@dellfe483b726d> Since our plans for ridding the toboggan run at Eagles Mere were dashed, Laura and I decided to take a ride up to Bill's Old Bike Barn yesterday. For those who have never made the trip, you should make plans, because it is well worth your time. If you have kids, no matter their ages, it is even more reason. Bill's Old Bike Barn and Museum has a little of everything, from planes, trains and automobiles.......oh yes, did I forget motorbikes. You will find displays after displays and more memorabilia than you can shake a stick at. There are a fair amount of HD and Indians, but also a great variety of other motorbikes such as our beloved BMWs, Zundapps, NSUs, Ducatis, Moto Guzzis, Ariels, Triumphs, Toppers, Servi-cars, military bikes, sidecars, etc. etc. The theme of this museum is very similar to Dale Walksler's "Wheels Through Time" museum, which is unfortunately no longer open except on special occasions. Bill Morris just added another large building to the museum and has wasted no time adding more displays. He has a small cafe inside which is available for large groups upon request........advanced notice is required. Laura and I plan on visiting again soon in the Spring, when the weather is more favorable. They have group rate discounts. We will be happy to organize a ride if any of you are interested. Bill's Old Bike Barn is located in Berwick, PA, about an hour and a half ride on some nice scenic roads. Bill told me to grab some brochures which I did and will have available to anyone interested, or just check out his website below. http://www.billsbikebarn.com/index.php?pageid=1 Todd Trumbore HARLEYsville, PA From bmwdick at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:04:39 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:04:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! In-Reply-To: <7EB151D430A945CEAFF3616375685663@dellfe483b726d> References: <7EB151D430A945CEAFF3616375685663@dellfe483b726d> Message-ID: Todd: Sounds like a fun trip. Please let me know if you put something together for the Spring. Dick On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Todd Trumbore wrote: > Since our plans for ridding the toboggan run at Eagles Mere were dashed, > Laura and I decided to take a ride up to Bill's Old Bike Barn yesterday. > For those who have never made the trip, you should make plans, because it is > well worth your time. ?If you have kids, no matter their ages, it is even > more reason. > > Bill's Old Bike Barn and Museum has a little of everything, from planes, > trains and automobiles.......oh yes, did I forget motorbikes. ?You will find > displays after displays and more memorabilia than you can shake a stick at. > > There are a fair amount of HD and Indians, but also a great variety of other > motorbikes such as our beloved BMWs, Zundapps, NSUs, Ducatis, Moto Guzzis, > Ariels, Triumphs, Toppers, Servi-cars, military bikes, sidecars, etc. etc. > The theme of this museum is very similar to Dale Walksler's ?"Wheels Through > Time" museum, which is unfortunately no longer open except on special > occasions. > > Bill Morris just added another large building to the museum and has wasted > no time adding more displays. ?He has a small cafe ?inside which is > available for large groups upon request........advanced notice is required. > > Laura and I plan on visiting again soon in the Spring, when the weather is > more favorable. ?They have group rate discounts. ?We will be happy to > organize a ride if any of you are interested. ? Bill's Old Bike Barn is > located in Berwick, PA, about an hour and a half ride on some nice scenic > roads. Bill told me to grab some ?brochures which I did and will have > available to anyone interested, or just check out his website below. > > http://www.billsbikebarn.com/index.php?pageid=1 > > Todd Trumbore > HARLEYsville, PA > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- BMW-Dick The only thing that has to be finished by tomorrow is today. From todd.p.byrum at lmco.com Mon Feb 1 18:14:29 2010 From: todd.p.byrum at lmco.com (Byrum, Todd P) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:14:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! In-Reply-To: <7EB151D430A945CEAFF3616375685663@dellfe483b726d> References: <7EB151D430A945CEAFF3616375685663@dellfe483b726d> Message-ID: If anything, Todd understates the case. Bill's Bike Barn is a really unique and interesting place and Bill and his family REALLY love what they show. On one visit without notice got a personal tour from Bill. Great people who love motorcycles. Well worth the journey - and I've not seen the new addition yet so I understate the case too. I did really that MotoGuzzi three wheeler service truck. Forks and handlebars inside the cab. Mama Mia, that's Italian. Todd Byrum Gilbertsville, pa -----Original Message----- From: Trumbore Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! Bill's Old Bike Barn and Museum has a little of everything, from planes, trains and automobiles.......oh yes, did I forget motorbikes. You will find displays after displays and more memorabilia than you can shake a stick at. From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:16:31 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:16:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dutch re-invent old biking problem Message-ID: Drinking and Biking.... ------------------------------------ Party While You Pedal: Beer Biking in Amsterdam Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1950364,00.html#ixzz0eIyQxMdL http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,59360573001_1950334,00.html Though to be honest, the contraption has at least 4 wheels..... but you do pedal it! EPH I just report 'em..... You can sign up now at http://www.beerbike.co.uk/ They don't mention it, but likely Heineken. But maybe you get a choice for a couple of extra euro. From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 18:29:30 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! In-Reply-To: <1802311520.2160981265048803654.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2077679678.2163091265048970899.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >If anything, Todd understates the case. Bill's Bike Barn is a really unique and interesting place and Bill and >his family REALLY love what they show. On one visit without notice got a personal tour from Bill. Great >people who love motorcycles. Well worth the journey - and I've not seen the new addition yet so I understate >the case too. Mike Evans and I cruised up there on a weekday a few years ago. It was closed for lunch when we got there, but we just hung out outside and looked at the stuff out there. He had a German motorcycle/half track that was pretty cool, outside. One of the posters on the wall had my grandfather's name on it! Nice ride from Berks County as well too. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:41:26 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:41:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > Yes for me for both sets. > =============== > A Short Neurological Test First > > 1- Find the C below.. Please do not use any cursor help. > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... Brian, congratulation on passing the test, we are happy to see any evidence that your faculties remain intact. However, it should be noted that this 'test' originates on a joke page: http://www.industrialpsychology.org.nz/_content/taking-the-pys.html And the test drew the following predictable reader comment: "Just for fun I copied this test and gave it to my Mom who has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. She is in the early to mid stages of Alzheimer's and she found the C, 6 and N faster than I did. I am her caregiver and Power of Attorney and I have not been diagnosed with anything. I won't be using this test as proof of anything, but it was fun. Sue in WA" -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From jack.riepe at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:43:06 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:43:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] A guy, a girl, and a motorcycle in nature... Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: For those of you who enjoy motorcycling and nature, and stories which show how human behavior is so similar to that of our friends in the animal world, I have published on my blog today a heartwarming story of a guy, a woman, an old Kawasaki, combined in an beautiful setting that played host to one of natures most enduring ballets. I hope you will enjoy it, and perhaps learn something from it. Our planet is fragile and our friends in nature need to be coddled. The details may be found at: http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/ -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From mrmevans at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:38:08 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:38:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! In-Reply-To: <2077679678.2163091265048970899.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1802311520.2160981265048803654.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <2077679678.2163091265048970899.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002011038t7da74f0fvdf7ded018f05e63f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM, johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) wrote: > > Mike Evans and I cruised up there on a weekday a few years ago. It was closed for lunch when we got there, but we just hung out outside and looked at the stuff out there. He had a German motorcycle/half track that was pretty cool, outside. One of the posters on the wall had my grandfather's name on it! > > Nice ride from Berks County as well too. > Yes! That place was fantastic! The variety of things on display there was incredible! I too was a fan of that trike service truck - waay cool. And yes, the ride up was great - if I recall John and I included a run through Shamokin into our travels that day. Bill's Old Bike Barn - Highly recommended! -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From jack.riepe at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:44:47 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:44:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Brian: My dog smelled piss before he found the "C". He still comes when he's called though. What does this mean? -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:51:15 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:51:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Brian: > > My dog smelled piss before he found the "C". He still comes when he's > called though. What does this mean? > The subject line is Brian's standard technical term for "mis-spellings", which occur in the second set of tests. Took me a while also to absorb the scientific jargon. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From jack.riepe at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:52:41 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:52:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Doug: There are times when I just don't understand him. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 18:58:55 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:58:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/1/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > > Yes for me for both sets. > > =============== > > A Short Neurological Test First > > > > 1- Find the C below.. Please do not use any cursor help. > > > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... > > Brian, congratulation on passing the test, we are happy to see any > evidence that your faculties remain intact. However, it should be > noted that this 'test' originates on a joke page: > http://www.industrialpsychology.org.nz/_content/taking-the-pys.html Remember my source: This courtesy of "Little Bob" Atkinson a man who does not need a third hole in the head anymore than a third eye!!! Wadda expect from a guy w/ two holes in his head. (Ask him to show you the scars. Chicks dig scars. Just ask Anita. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 19:12:45 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:12:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Doug: > > There are times when I just don't understand him. > The notion has been growing on me that the writings of Brian will eventually be collected into a Scripture of a mystic religion, which will spend centuries pondering the meaning of each line. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From motorrader at verizon.net Mon Feb 1 19:31:08 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:31:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! References: <7EB151D430A945CEAFF3616375685663@dellfe483b726d> Message-ID: <1AA7FF2B5178492B9B791484925BCDF5@dellfe483b726d> Todd: Sounds like a fun trip. Please let me know if you put something together for the Spring. Dick http://www.billsbikebarn.com/index.php?pageid=1 Dick, We would be happy to organize a ride for the Spring. We could all meet at "The Woodside Diner" for breakfast, then heading north for Bill's on some scenic two laners. On the way back there is a restaurant on the peak of a mountain on Rt 93, just south of Nescopeck, looking south where you have a 30-40 mile view of the valley below. I'll have to look it up, but I think it was called The Outlook Inn/Lodge. A beautiful older stone building with one hell of a view. This could be a very nice spot for a late lunch. I'll look into it. April/May should be a good time for this ride. I will plan a nice route up and back for those interested. Todd Trumbore HARLEYsville, PA From kgbruce at verizon.net Mon Feb 1 19:54:13 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:54:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0KX600KCBHYJRSQ2@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> The notion has been growing on me that the writings of Brian will eventually be collected into a Scripture of a mystic religion, which will spend centuries pondering the meaning of each line..... -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA ----------------- ......while nibbling on Spam..... Ken Bruce From 440props at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 19:58:17 2010 From: 440props at gmail.com (Robert Atkinson) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:58:17 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > Remember my source: > > This courtesy of "Little Bob" Atkinson a man who does not need a third > hole in the head anymore than a third eye!!! > > Wadda expect from a guy w/ two holes in his head. (Ask him to show > you the scars. Chicks dig scars. Just ask Anita. 1. I have 4 extra (burr) holes in my skull - They are about the size of a quarter. Please update your data base. Anita saved my life a few years ago when she realized I was having a bleed-out. 2. I sent the "snopes" URL with the "test". I thought you might have checked it first. http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/cambridge.asp HTH! -- Best, Robert Atkinson - 1988 K75S -1993 K75RT - ASTRAL BLUE Beemer Hill Riders - BOOF # 161 - MOA # 89159 - www.racine.org "Every town has a few bad drivers, eventually they all move to Racine, Wisconsin" From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 1 21:16:01 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:16:01 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dutch re-invent old biking problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18724.12.181.211.35.1265058961.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Drinking and Biking.... > > ------------------------------------ > > Party While You Pedal: Beer Biking in Amsterdam > > Read more: > http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1950364,00.html#ixzz0eIyQxMdL > > http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,59360573001_1950334,00.html > > Though to be honest, the contraption has at least 4 wheels..... but > you do pedal it! > I stand ready gentlemen. I will be the designated driver. Just tell me where to show up. Ride Safe, Joe From mjcantwe at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 22:23:50 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:23:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT, NSFW -- Where Jack Riepe gets some of his material.... Message-ID: <8bafeb801002011423s3dd9a733oe81faa6bb0fe7821@mail.gmail.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Rg9PWisak From rsorens at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 22:50:44 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:50:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5F8668AA10E248079C3DC28B64A3DA8A@Tekki> I found this fascinating, Brian. I was able to read all the paragraphs and find all the 'hidden' characters...they actually stood out for me. Rick From jack.riepe at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 23:48:16 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:48:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: <5F8668AA10E248079C3DC28B64A3DA8A@Tekki> References: <5F8668AA10E248079C3DC28B64A3DA8A@Tekki> Message-ID: Dear Rick: Then you have another disease. Ever see the movie "A Perfect Mind?" -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynocologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From rsorens at comcast.net Mon Feb 1 23:58:07 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:58:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Then you have another disease. Ever see the movie "A Perfect Mind?" After reading Doug's response, I made an appointment at the neuro...neuro...head doctor THANX, Brian From ladyvol at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 2 00:17:12 2010 From: ladyvol at fastmail.fm (Jill McCarley) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:17:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] How to get yourself unsubscribed right NOW In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11001311258u4d95dc88x9602dc9821211272@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1265069832.7886.1357753833@webmail.messagingengine.com> SNIPPPP > .....> > > Brian, > > Could you please explain this in layman's terms? > > > > Dream on, Rob. Good God, man! I know you've fought ravenous wolves and giant octopi in the wild while fixing a moon lander with a butter knife and dancing the Macarena during a Polar Bear Club "meeting", but this is far too dangerous, even for you. DO NOT TAUNT THE ENGINEER (when his web guru feathers have been ruffled)! Don't! Bad Doug! Bad!! Now, be a good lad and throw him a nice piece of steak. :) hugs, Jill ---------------------------- '90 R100GS '06 K1200 R "The Screaming Meanie" Jill McCarley, MD Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Member, Ketchup Advisory Board "Psychiatry--turning neurotic misery into ordinary human unhappiness." From jasiii at earthlink.net Tue Feb 2 01:15:07 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:15:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Piss smelling issues? Message-ID: <33399315.1265073307586.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >The notion has been growing on me that the writings of Brian will >eventually be collected into a Scripture of a mystic religion, which >will spend centuries pondering the meaning of each line..... > >-- --------------- >Doug Raymond >R1150RT '02 >Ambler, PA >----------------- >......while nibbling on Spam..... > >Ken Bruce or haggis :-> either way it will take at least 200 years to ponder some of the meanings Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From JABurke4 at aol.com Mon Feb 1 02:12:52 2010 From: JABurke4 at aol.com (john Burkhauser) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:12:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Ultimate Snow blower Message-ID: <92663941-5F85-46E6-9DE9-2E2958FB90A4@aol.com> As "Tim The Tool Man" would say, HAR HAR HARRR 454 cubic inch big block Chevrolet V8 produces 412 horsepower Just in case your havin' any trouble removing snow from your driveway... this baby will blow snow back to where it came from... more story at the bottom... http://gallery.me.com/jaburke4#100086 see pictures above. 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And if, after a while, you feel you've outgrown the 400 horses, this particular engine is well catered for in the performance modification area, with Lunati camshaft, Milodon Gear drive, Holley and Edelbrock components to name a few, and there's always the fuel injection option too, if you feel you need to throw the snow out of the county or ensure your seat in the "neighborhood blower blingster hall of fame." John Burkhauser jaburke4 at aol.com From Braveirwin at aol.com Tue Feb 2 02:21:35 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:21:35 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! Message-ID: <1b6d.3e8eca21.3898e62f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/1/2010 2:31:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, motorrader at verizon.net writes: April/May should be a good time for this ride. I will plan a nice route up and back for those interested. Todd Trumbore HARLEYsville, PA ========================================= That sounds like a great ride, Todd. I'll do my best to participate. Roddy. From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 03:10:57 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:10:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dutch re-invent old biking problem In-Reply-To: <18724.12.181.211.35.1265058961.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <18724.12.181.211.35.1265058961.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <4a4431121002011910s67af1120pa62c92ca64f738f2@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Joe Dille wrote: >> Drinking and Biking.... >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Party While You Pedal: Beer Biking in Amsterdam >> >> Read more: >> http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1950364,00.html#ixzz0eIyQxMdL >> >> http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,59360573001_1950334,00.html >> >> Though to be honest, the contraption has at least 4 wheels..... ?but >> you do pedal it! >> > > I stand ready gentlemen. ?I will be the designated driver. ?Just tell me > where to show up. > > Ride Safe, > > Joe Who will be the first to build one to pedal around in the USA??? Dano From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 05:02:05 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 00:02:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Now here is a flash from the past Message-ID: http://www.hmarc.com/SteveMcQueen.jpg (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 2 11:32:32 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:32:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Now here is a flash from the past In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4B67C700.6922.7ED1E6F@localhost> > http://www.hmarc.com/SteveMcQueen.jpg > (WS) > Thanks. The picture is cool and all, but I did a little snooping around the site (http://www.hmarc.com/) and this guy has a great resource for making HTML pages. http://software-ingenuity.com/ Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 2 12:25:49 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bill's Old Bike Barn....a must see ! In-Reply-To: <1b6d.3e8eca21.3898e62f@aol.com> Message-ID: <858412496.2471801265113549582.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >April/May should be a good time for this ride. I will plan a nice route >up >and back for those interested. Be sure to ask Bill about a "Group tour" he told Mike and I that they did them for riders groups all of the time. But you need to arrange it ahead of time. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 12:37:19 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:37:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dutch re-invent old biking problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Erik Hoet wrote: > Drinking and Biking.... > > ------------------------------------ > > Party While You Pedal: Beer Biking in Amsterdam > > Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1950364,00.html#ixzz0eIyQxMdL > > > They don't mention it, but likely Heineken. ?But maybe you get a > choice for a couple of extra euro. > And in reply I rec'd: We have local beer what is similar like Heineken We have always good sayings about our beer , so no worries! Kind regards, Ard Karsten Team Happy Beer Bike Tour Amsterdam Phone : +31-6-51850805 Fax. : +31-229-574738 From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Tue Feb 2 13:11:36 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:11:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Its Official Message-ID: <016d01caa409$400b8c40$4101a8c0@FastHP> It's official. Punxatawny Phil saw his shadow this morning. I was fortunate enough to meet Phil last month. He made an appearance at the Farm Show. He is the original. Over 200 years old although he looked much younger. Marge From mrmevans at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 14:02:16 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:02:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Meeting of the Minds? Message-ID: <8296f6de1002020602j30256cb6q411e6d46294eb2f5@mail.gmail.com> Here's a link to a photo I took of a crosswalk up in Boyertown - I wonder if the responsible crews are available for trans-continental railways or new bridge projects.... http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3441893&l=1690b4d4a7&id=598887448 SFW - Also hoping the facebook link works for all -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From doehler at verizon.net Tue Feb 2 14:37:12 2010 From: doehler at verizon.net (Dave Oehler) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:37:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Free for the taking! Message-ID: <482215B5B57A4B8A9807FFCEACD8B2CF@IBM26EEF0D6CE2> As the process of ripping my house apart continues, I have 3 mahogany cabinets if any one is interested. They would be perfect for a shop or garage. I have 2 tall skinny ones 48" tall X 12" wide X 11.5" deep and one 32" tall X 10" deep X 23" wide. These are came out of a bathroom where they were used for towels and such. Humidity is not a problem with these, they are solid wood, no fiber board. Please feel contact me off list if interested, I hate to toss them but have no room or need for them. Dave O -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100202/68eccd04/attachment.html From rogers.george at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 16:44:34 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:44:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Ultimate Snow blower In-Reply-To: <92663941-5F85-46E6-9DE9-2E2958FB90A4@aol.com> References: <92663941-5F85-46E6-9DE9-2E2958FB90A4@aol.com> Message-ID: <1f13c3621002020844y5cb4de15q26f487c165f3725e@mail.gmail.com> Oh, yah, ve haf lotsa dose back up dere in Minnesota, dontcha know... Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://rogersgeorge.blogspot.com http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:12 PM, john Burkhauser wrote: > As "Tim The Tool Man" ?would say, HAR HAR HARRR > > 454 cubic inch big block Chevrolet V8 produces 412 horsepower > > Just in case your havin' any trouble removing snow from your > driveway... this baby will blow snow back to where it came from... > more story at the bottom... ... From rdlebout at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 17:07:12 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:07:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Ultimate Snow blower In-Reply-To: <1f13c3621002020844y5cb4de15q26f487c165f3725e@mail.gmail.com> References: <92663941-5F85-46E6-9DE9-2E2958FB90A4@aol.com> <1f13c3621002020844y5cb4de15q26f487c165f3725e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002020907j59ddced9o5fef84eaaa2fba0f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Rogers George wrote: > Oh, yah, ve haf lotsa dose back up dere in Minnesota, dontcha know... > > Best wishes, > Rogers George > Newark, DE > http://rogersgeorge.blogspot.com > http://writing-rag.com > http://rogersgeorge.com > > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:12 PM, john Burkhauser wrote: >> As "Tim The Tool Man" ?would say, HAR HAR HARRR >> >> 454 cubic inch big block Chevrolet V8 produces 412 horsepower >> >> Just in case your havin' any trouble removing snow from your >> driveway... this baby will blow snow back to where it came from... >> more story at the bottom... > ... > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > When you put that type of power train together you need more than a singular use. Suggestions for other implements; stump grinder roto tiller 60" thatcher for lawn core aerator (sp) leaf blower grooming mower 72" pressure washer 10,000 lb. electric generator air compressor (construction type) trencher what is missing? -- Bobby LeBoutillier From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 17:10:52 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:10:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Ultimate Snow blower In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002020907j59ddced9o5fef84eaaa2fba0f@mail.gmail.com> References: <92663941-5F85-46E6-9DE9-2E2958FB90A4@aol.com> <1f13c3621002020844y5cb4de15q26f487c165f3725e@mail.gmail.com> <3f2b32881002020907j59ddced9o5fef84eaaa2fba0f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002020910v2295358dnf0addc78669c56ee@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Rogers George wrote: >> Oh, yah, ve haf lotsa dose back up dere in Minnesota, dontcha know... >> >> Best wishes, >> Rogers George >> Newark, DE >> http://rogersgeorge.blogspot.com >> http://writing-rag.com >> http://rogersgeorge.com >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:12 PM, john Burkhauser wrote: >>> As "Tim The Tool Man" ?would say, HAR HAR HARRR >>> >>> 454 cubic inch big block Chevrolet V8 produces 412 horsepower >>> >>> Just in case your havin' any trouble removing snow from your >>> driveway... this baby will blow snow back to where it came from... >>> more story at the bottom... >> ... >> _______________________________________________ >> Mac-pac-l mailing list >> Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l >> > > When you put that type of power train together you need more than a > singular use. > Suggestions for other implements; > stump grinder > roto tiller 60" > thatcher for lawn > core aerator ?(sp) > leaf blower > grooming mower 72" > pressure washer 10,000 lb. > electric generator > air compressor (construction type) > trencher > what is missing? A huge amount of gasoline? Dano From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 18:23:27 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:23:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Meeting of the Minds? In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002020602j30256cb6q411e6d46294eb2f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002020602j30256cb6q411e6d46294eb2f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Michael Evans wrote: > Here's a link to a photo I took of a crosswalk up in Boyertown - I > wonder if the responsible crews are available for trans-continental > railways or new bridge projects.... > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3441893&l=1690b4d4a7&id=598887448 > Michael, this was repaired the very next day, as you can see here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31374622 at N00/4325176047/ -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 18:54:53 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:54:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: If you want to "understand" the news better.... Message-ID: Check this explanation out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGSXMuWMR4 (NSFW, swear words) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 2 19:26:44 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:26:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Meeting of the Minds? In-Reply-To: References: <8296f6de1002020602j30256cb6q411e6d46294eb2f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC7254C9E1A490-3F4-219@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Doug Raymond posted: <> Quetion: how do you get Ramen Noodles out of a keyboard? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From t42 at pobox.com Tue Feb 2 19:27:23 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:27:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] How Differential Gear works Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4JhruinbWc - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLaHybAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2Pb8H/R/N85z2+N8j4Yji9fUQv8Sk 2A54tjhpWmKKt2GfgkICRakpgt0lwUyi8OLhH95h0zRYH6bTqXmV3QAt5DGM8grn adwIo8PrvhURezMyUHbG9zA15iqiKcdFcDfL2Msy1lsvWpU0Z1woLZ44loXbUjoY gu1N9Ph91EgbbI+vxIxEh6oGYZVpvmMb69INXIR/v4NYI+coMq7qqjr/xWhV41Qy EUzYMNM0bSwbZ0YQjsCB/UeSCSN+nH02CSCMqhD+KiCh+W4WWb8yknY5CJgyyhFr BTGdJMhPWoEmvVGvfyiSTofcZ+nD0YdIBPSOhMBIs5kimaOswKEnHGhK+1PxQhA= =67Rh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 19:47:57 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:47:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] How Differential Gear works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4431121002021147j18b603dcy53c2e92a2462a39e@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:27 PM, David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Cool: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4JhruinbWc Great David!!! Thanks for reminding us of the day when engineering info was presented in a way that mere mortals could actually grasp the concept. Dano From t42 at pobox.com Tue Feb 2 20:05:03 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:05:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] How Differential Gear works In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002021147j18b603dcy53c2e92a2462a39e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002021147j18b603dcy53c2e92a2462a39e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Whitfield wrote: > Thanks for reminding us of the day when engineering info was presented > in a way that mere mortals could actually grasp the concept. ... and of the day when companies were proud of their engineering and bragged about it, instead of cloaking it under a shroud of "proprietary" secrecy. Can you imagine a video like this these days? I can't. The real value now is in the information itself, not the product; and information only has monetary value when it's a secret. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLaIVvAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl27KcH/1RLce0saSb2NOTwVIUh/zAB BEraXeqDt9fjrCYcTYhQRDd06ZrXt3JjmkYSqBkK6rBIRRSP8gLS403IwaiYUl6N mAKe2VDWXRtLnDAt1K99/bZWj6Wg36pYxEiRprGOpEwF/S2QDGrOJNXPj5DNWA6n iKs3zKrK2KPztbcxrkgOUHxUf6whXAAkw/xTzrEJ55nqs80/WN0A9j6Ea16uwPUr uTFV6fqg7UOgCW0J1mqSq+hnA3BrMIAinyAkpwGGn83dt9cnSvWcXmll2r6wsgns MlF2UxBs5O09gb1hOD0fhlcYkYgiiHIhPEFyXFVQ+HmNEYQ6lZL7wYoNbsDgMZo= =p6P5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:08:23 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:08:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Meeting of the Minds? In-Reply-To: <8CC7254C9E1A490-3F4-219@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> References: <8296f6de1002020602j30256cb6q411e6d46294eb2f5@mail.gmail.com> <8CC7254C9E1A490-3F4-219@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > Doug Raymond posted: > > < http://www.flickr.com/photos/31374622 at N00/4325176047/ >> > > Question: how do you get Ramen Noodles out of a keyboard? > > _______________________________________________ Sheesh, now the?chicken will never want to get to the other side................. Does that mean the end of life as we know it? The spoon knows all, will explain all. Erik Hoet From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:17:12 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:17:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Meeting of the Minds? In-Reply-To: References: <8296f6de1002020602j30256cb6q411e6d46294eb2f5@mail.gmail.com> <8CC7254C9E1A490-3F4-219@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/10, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > > > Doug Raymond posted: > > > > < > http://www.flickr.com/photos/31374622 at N00/4325176047/ >> > > > > > Question: how do you get Ramen Noodles out of a keyboard? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sheesh, now the chicken will never want to get to the other > side................. > > Does that mean the end of life as we know it? > > The spoon knows all, will explain all. Woolite, gentle cycle. Doncha know NOT to read Mac-Pac mail and eat or drink? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:26:57 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:26:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] How Differential Gear works In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002021147j18b603dcy53c2e92a2462a39e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002021226k2a1e6663q921ced6899ae8886@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:05 PM, David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dan Whitfield wrote: > >> Thanks for reminding us of the day when engineering info was presented >> in a way that mere mortals could actually grasp the concept. > > ... and of the day when companies were proud of their engineering and > bragged about it, instead of cloaking it under a shroud of "proprietary" > secrecy. ?Can you imagine a video like this these days? ?I can't. ?The real > value now is in the information itself, not the product; and information > only has monetary value when it's a secret. > > - -- > David Talkington Yes, the Toyota debacle, in my opinion, was caused by industry's desire to sell an expensive to buy but cheap to make proprietary part. Everyone knows direct connection is more reliable. You can't fix a solid state part with a hammer and bailing wire. So you gotta buy a new one. At what price? What ever the market will bare. Dano From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 20:43:26 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:43:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] How Differential Gear works In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002021226k2a1e6663q921ced6899ae8886@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002021147j18b603dcy53c2e92a2462a39e@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002021226k2a1e6663q921ced6899ae8886@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > Yes, the Toyota debacle, in my opinion, was caused by industry's > desire to sell an expensive to buy but cheap to make proprietary part. > > Everyone knows direct connection is more reliable. However, it will not meet emission's regs. Or the operation will not result in compliance. That said the "direct" connections" were also capable of sticking. Just most of the ways that happened had been worked over by now. > At what price? What ever the market will bare. Go talk to your Congress critters. Their appointed and UNELECTED bureaucrats are are "implimenting" their/your will. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rogers.george at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 21:00:54 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:00:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Meeting of the Minds? In-Reply-To: References: <8296f6de1002020602j30256cb6q411e6d46294eb2f5@mail.gmail.com> <8CC7254C9E1A490-3F4-219@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1f13c3621002021300w6651456ct479c9cdf1705bb2d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/2/10, Erik Hoet wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: >> ?> >> ?> Doug Raymond posted: >> ?> >> ?> <> ?> http://www.flickr.com/photos/31374622 at N00/4325176047/ >> >> ?> >> >> > Question: how do you get Ramen Noodles out of a keyboard? >> ?> >> ?> _______________________________________________ >> You use that 100,000 pound pressure washer... From rsorens at comcast.net Tue Feb 2 22:14:12 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:14:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Its Official In-Reply-To: <016d01caa409$400b8c40$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: >It's official. Punxatawny Phil saw his shadow this morning. > >I was fortunate enough to meet Phil last month. Heh, I met Phil a few years ago....at the other end of my nunchaku's in the garden! I trap at least one or two a year and drop 'em off at the park (I'd like to drop 'em off in the creek on the park's border!) Hate those smell little suckers Rick From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 23:52:03 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:52:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: If you want to "understand" the news better.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sir: I thoroughly enjoyed this. They don't teach these in school anymore. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 23:59:15 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:59:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: If you want to "understand" the news better.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/2/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Sir: > > I thoroughly enjoyed this. They don't teach these in school anymore. Recently there was a blurb on the tube about the current "advertisement dujour" adverts. They use Australian or English speakers cause we are suckers for those voices. "But there's more" shows up about all the time. It is a limited time offer. You don't purchase just one but get two for the price of one and a few more items. Once you are aware the effects LEAP OUT. They sure don't teach critical thinking much in school any more. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From motoedde2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 00:12:35 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:12:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Parking in Philly=>Motorcycle & Scooter Coalition of Philadelphia Message-ID: As the growth of Motorcycle and Scooter(M/S) use increases at an annual rate of 8-10% over the past decade in PA and Philly, so have the issues facing our community: parking, drivers ignoring our right to a lane, etc. As a result...a few of us from the M/S community(some from the HC group) thought that despite our differences in ride, we share many more similarities and thought we'd form a group to advocate for us. We're in the early stages of formation and our "draft" website can best explain what we're up to. www.motoscootphilly.org One of our initiatives has been dealing with parking. We've in discussion with the PPA this past winter about clarifying/communicating existing rules and increasing the availability of M/S specific parking for our community. Please check out the PPA's suggestions at the URL below...look for the document titled "Proposed_Parking_Spots"... http://www.motoscootphilly.org/Documents/ These documents are also available in our Coalition group list serve file section... http://groups.google.com/group/motoscootphilly -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From gary5410 at aol.com Wed Feb 3 00:38:27 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:38:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew Message-ID: <8CC728055E195BF-990-37F2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Any of you that are BMWMOA members....... Go to BMWMOA website and get your free ticket for the 1000RR sweepstakes....some great prizes. Only 10,000 tickets being sold. I got a free one and a few more! Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 00:54:44 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:54:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Very cool series on Lindbergh crossing the Atlantic Message-ID: http://www.airportappraisals.com/contact/ (WS) IMO the four videos are WELL worth the time to view them. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From ironbt01 at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 01:00:41 2010 From: ironbt01 at gmail.com (Greg Roberts) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 19:00:41 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! Message-ID: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> I wouldn't want to be around when these brakes fail. http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/03/windmill_flying_apart.html Greg Roberts Wadley, AL From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 3 02:20:02 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:20:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: <8CC728055E195BF-990-37F2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >Go to BMWMOA website and get your free ticket for the 1000RR sweepstakes....some great prizes. >Only 10,000 tickets being sold. I got a free one and a few more Only way I see to get a "free"ticket isto renew your membership orjoin.....if you're already a member, you're stuffed, gotta buy one. Rick From gary5410 at aol.com Wed Feb 3 02:30:17 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:30:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC728FF54DF0DF-990-57FB@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> FREE ticket is at the bottom! click on free ticket -----Original Message----- From: Rick Sorensen To: 'Gary Christman' ; mac-pac-l at jtan.com Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:20 pm Subject: RE: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew >Go to BMWMOA website and get your free ticket for the 1000RR sweepstakes....some great prizes. >Only 10,000 tickets being sold. I got a free one and a few more Only way I see to get a "free"ticket isto renew your membership orjoin.....if you're already a member, you're stuffed, gotta buy one. Rick From Doug at pencader.com Wed Feb 3 02:46:03 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:46:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: <8CC728FF54DF0DF-990-57FB@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC728FF54DF0DF-990-57FB@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <016e01caa47b$095d42c0$1c17c840$@com> Gary and Lick wrote; >>> sweepstake snips >> Go to BMWMOA website and get your free ticket for the 1000RR >> sweepstakes....some great prizes. >> Only 10,000 tickets being sold. I got a free one and a few more > Only way I see to get a "free"ticket isto renew your membership > orjoin.....if you're already a member, you're stuffed, gotta buy one. Rick, Not true - I'm already a member, and I got a FREE one! Woo-hoo! Delaware Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From llsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 3 02:51:51 2010 From: llsorens at comcast.net (Linda Sorensen) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:51:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want torenew References: <8CC728FF54DF0DF-990-57FB@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >>FREE ticket is at the bottom! click on free ticket Got it thanks.. everyone else may as well not bother with the ticket because I'm winning.;-) Linda From mrmevans at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 02:59:09 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:59:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Winter Moto Entertainment Message-ID: <8296f6de1002021859q18d13642n8f861caffee13aac@mail.gmail.com> I just learned that every Tuesday night in February, Martin Motosports in Boyertown, PA is showing a motorcycle-themed film. Tonight was "The Wild One" (I did not go) Next week is "The World's Fastest Indian" Popcorn, Ice Cream and Soda are provided. Other movies include: Feb 16: On Any Sunday Feb 23: The Doctor, Tornado and Kentucky Kid -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From rys at R2Controls.com Wed Feb 3 02:59:58 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:59:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> Nice video - It is pretty disappointing to see hard work and good intentions catastrophically fail, but we are only learning how to deal with the numerous design problems and engineering standards for wind turbines. There were no shortage of boiler failures in the early days until we got good at them. In 2008 the installed wind power in the US grew by 50% in a single year (about 8,700Mega-watts added). Once a wind turbine is commissioned "availability" is about 98% indicating they are quite reliable. The AWEA site is by far the best resource around for wind information: http://www.awea.org/ This informative site summarizes a number of other failures - blades, structures, gearboxes... http://www.windaction.org/news/c48/?startnum=21 I recently asked a wind expert colleague of mine if it were feasible to put a wind turbine on Mt Washington NH. When I told him they once saw 231 mph wind, he said no wind turbine is designed for anywhere near those conditions. Typical turbines go into "safe mode" above 50 mph, and should survive wind up to ~100mph. It's a pity, because power goes up with the cube of speed. Just up the road from me in Boston, they are constructing a facility to mechanically test blades up to 90 meters long - arriving by ship because they are too big for the road. Rick Rys 2006 R1200GSA From tpcutter at aol.com Wed Feb 3 03:14:21 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:14:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Winter Moto Entertainment In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002021859q18d13642n8f861caffee13aac@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002021859q18d13642n8f861caffee13aac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC72961D37AD0A-3440-837F@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> <> If I could fit everybody into my living room, we could watch all those here. I have them all on videotape or DVD. I also have OAS II, and "Faster" Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From mrmevans at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 03:19:11 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:19:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Winter Moto Entertainment In-Reply-To: <8CC72961D37AD0A-3440-837F@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> References: <8296f6de1002021859q18d13642n8f861caffee13aac@mail.gmail.com> <8CC72961D37AD0A-3440-837F@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002021919l248703beh96e37407e48adad0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > If I could fit everybody into my living room, we could watch all those here. > I have them all on videotape or DVD. I also have OAS II, and "Faster" > ...but do you have food? You remember this is the MAC-PAC, right? -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 3 03:43:29 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:43:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Winter Moto Entertainment In-Reply-To: <8CC72961D37AD0A-3440-837F@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> References: <8296f6de1002021859q18d13642n8f861caffee13aac@mail.gmail.com> <8CC72961D37AD0A-3440-837F@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B68F0E1.60909@argolis.org> Tom Cutter wrote: > If I could fit everybody into my living room, we could watch all those > here. I have them all on videotape or DVD. I also have OAS II, and > "Faster" I have 'Biker Boyz' and 'Torque'[0]. We could make a festival of it! [0] I don't, really. I've seen both of them though, it's not worth free or your time. From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 3 03:43:41 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:43:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: <8CC728055E195BF-990-37F2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC728055E195BF-990-37F2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B68F0ED.7040205@argolis.org> Gary Christman wrote: > Any of you that are BMWMOA members....... > > Go to BMWMOA website and get your free ticket for the 1000RR > sweepstakes....some great prizes. > Only 10,000 tickets being sold. I got a free one and a few more! It seems like it's free only with a renewal (I'm paid up for a couple years), and if I buy one from the 'store' for $10, they want $6 freight. Anything I'm missing? From Braveirwin at aol.com Wed Feb 3 03:31:06 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:31:06 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Very cool series on Lindbergh crossing the Atlantic Message-ID: <33d9.4ee31435.389a47fa@aol.com> In a message dated 2/2/2010 7:55:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bmwbrian at gmail.com writes: IMO the four videos are WELL worth the time to view them. ========================================================= Yes, I enjoyed them. Thank you. And good MC content. Roddy Irwin, Arborist of Berks County '92 K 75 RT '85 R 80 RT '74 CB 200 T and assorted dirt bikes. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 03:50:39 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:50:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> Message-ID: On 2/2/10, Rick Rys wrote: > Nice video - It is pretty disappointing to see hard work and good intentions > catastrophically fail, but we are only learning how to deal with the > numerous design problems and engineering standards for wind turbines. Yes. There > were no shortage of boiler failures in the early days until we got good at > them. Why the ASME was founded. River boat and train boile failures tended to upset the peopl. In 2008 the installed wind power in the US grew by 50% in a single > year (about 8,700Mega-watts added). Marketing. When you start from a small base, the percentage increases are HUGE. As a percentage of the total installed power it is miniscule, and |prediction| it will NEVER increase to large fractions. The installed cost is high and will remain high. Once a wind turbine is commissioned > "availability" is about 98% indicating they are quite reliable. Or not. "Available" is not that hard to do, although there are issues there too. If they know they are having an issue, they can declare they are not available and that does not count against them in the numbers. They have had UGLY bearing and gearing problems. Replacing LARGE as in you need a crane to install them bearings is UGLY. Gearing about the same. Getting guys 200' up in the air is a lot harder than having them walk up 3-5 flights of stairs. (And there frequently are elevators so they don't have to take the stairs.) Capacity factor is the interesting one. There are nuke and coal plants running out there with capacity factors of 90-100% and some nukes that have run 105%. Don't ask me how they do that. That is the percentage of their output if they ran at nameplate rating for a year. Windmills are tend to be at the 30% capacity factor. NOT GOOD at all. Then there is the "dispatchability". Can they run if forced to due to loss of other units. That number is something like 2% or 8%, it IS in the single digits. Just DAZZLED me when I read that one. Using 5% as the number, that means that 8700 "installed capacity" is equivalent to a 435MW coal or natural gas fired plant. The NG plant can be up and running in less then 30 minutes ON DEMAND. The wind plant.... Not so much. Wind power does not scale and no one wants them in their back yard either. Noise is a REAL issue. > I recently asked a wind expert colleague of mine if it were feasible to put > a wind turbine on Mt Washington NH. When I told him they once saw 231 mph > wind, he said no wind turbine is designed for anywhere near those > conditions. Typical turbines go into "safe mode" above 50 mph, and should > survive wind up to ~100mph. It's a pity, because power goes up with the cube > of speed. Yup. Plus you have to get the power down from the top. That is if the hikers allowed you to screw up their viewscape. Same issue with putting towers out in the ocean. Getting the power ashore is interesting. Be interesting to see how the windmills being put in off shore Denmark last and what failures show up. It is one thing to install stuff, it is another to keep it running. Most thermal plants have a design life of at least 40 years. I think, but don't hold me to it, that the windmills are not designed for that. > Just up the road from me in Boston, they are constructing a facility to > mechanically test blades up to 90 meters long - arriving by ship because > they are too big for the road. Hard to get ships to the upper Midwest or west Texas where some of the "best" wind is. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 3 04:08:22 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:08:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works Message-ID: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> I have been quite interested on how a Toyota gas pedal worked and that was the root cause of their problem. This was made even more confusing with Toyota putting out a graphic showing how they will use a precision metal shim to fix the problem. I found a couple of sites that show what the issue is with the gas pedal. It is interesting that they may have a replacement part sitting in junk yards that is form, fit and function replacement with a different internal design. I know if I had a Toyota I would snag one of these older pedals and keep on driving. These 4 links are all from the same site and show bits of the same situation. They are somewhat poorly written, but they get the point across and show some data. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/exclusive-ttac-takes-apart-both-toyota- gas-pedals/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyota-gas-pedal-fix-explained-with-exc lusive-photos/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyota-gas-pedal-fix-simulated-friction -reduced-but-by-too-much/ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas- pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/ A video is in this one. http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/video-in-depth-look-at-toyotas-sticky -accelerator/ Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 3 04:15:04 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:15:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Very cool series on Lindbergh crossing the Atlantic In-Reply-To: <33d9.4ee31435.389a47fa@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B68B1F8.14278.B82F701@localhost> > > > In a message dated 2/2/2010 7:55:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bmwbrian at gmail.com writes: > > IMO the four videos are WELL worth the time to view them. > > ========================================================= > Yes, I enjoyed them. Thank you. And good MC content. I enjoyed them also. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 04:40:05 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:40:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Humor: Bill and Sam Message-ID: Bill and Sam, two elderly friends, met in the park every day to feed the pigeons, watch the squirrels and discuss world problems. One day Bill didn't show up. Sam didn't think much about it and figured maybe he had a cold or something. But after Bill hadn't shown up for a week or so, Sam really got worried. However, since the only time they ever got together was at the park, Sam didn't know where Bill lived, so he was unable to find out what had happened to him. A month had passed, and Sam figured he had seen the last of Bill, but one day, Sam approached the park and -- lo and behold! --there sat Bill! Sam was very excited and happy to see him and told him so. Then he said, 'For crying out loud Bill, what in the world happened to you?' Bill replied, 'I have been in jail.' 'Jail?' cried Sam. 'What in the world for?' 'Well,' Bill said, 'you know Susie, that cute little blonde waitress at the coffee shop where I sometimes go?' 'Yeah,' said Sam, 'I remember her. What about her?' 'Well, one day she filed rape charges against me; and, at 89 years old, I was so proud that when I got into court, I pled 'guilty' 'The damn judge gave me 30 days for perjury.' ======= >From the four holed headed man again. THNX "Little Bob". Now Doug find something wrong with this one... ;);) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rcavalie at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 05:07:58 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:07:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> Message-ID: <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> That's interesting, why does it go up by the cube of speed? I don't know the physics. Is there a short explanation? Perhaps there's a 50 year old black & white documentary we could watch? Like the ones for igloo building or how a differential works (really liked that one)! I was just recently back in Centralia, PA. That's the coal mining town with an eternal flame in its ass. It caught fire back in the 50s or 60s and was subsequently abandoned. A couple of years ago some of us followed Jack Riepe up there to eat MRE's cooked over the hell fire emanating from fissures in the ground. Jack immortalized us in a story for MOA Owner's News. Well now there's a whole string of wind turbines on the ridge south of town. I think they're new since I would've remembered them from before. Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rys Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:00 PM To: 'Mac-Pac' Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! SNIPPAGE I recently asked a wind expert colleague of mine if it were feasible to put a wind turbine on Mt Washington NH. When I told him they once saw 231 mph wind, he said no wind turbine is designed for anywhere near those conditions. Typical turbines go into "safe mode" above 50 mph, and should survive wind up to ~100mph. It's a pity, because power goes up with the cube of speed. From rcavalie at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 05:15:22 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:15:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: <4B68F0ED.7040205@argolis.org> References: <8CC728055E195BF-990-37F2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <4B68F0ED.7040205@argolis.org> Message-ID: <000801caa48f$e3112270$a9336750$@net> Matt, You have to login first. Then the free link at the bottom works. Scroll to the bottom of subsequent pages to check off free ticket. If you win, I want 3 free test drives! Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Matt Piechota Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: Gary Christman Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew Gary Christman wrote: > Any of you that are BMWMOA members....... > > Go to BMWMOA website and get your free ticket for the 1000RR > sweepstakes....some great prizes. > Only 10,000 tickets being sold. I got a free one and a few more! It seems like it's free only with a renewal (I'm paid up for a couple years), and if I buy one from the 'store' for $10, they want $6 freight. Anything I'm missing? _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From rys at R2Controls.com Wed Feb 3 05:37:43 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:37:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> Message-ID: <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> The reason that wind power goes up with the cube of speed: The kinetic energy of flowing air is 1/2*Mass*Velocity^2. At first glance you might think that Power goes up with Velocity squared, but the Mass passing by the blades is directly proportional to the Velocity so that is why it goes up with Velocity cubed. So 12 mph wind makes more than 70% more power than 10 mph wind! As the air downstream of the blades cannot completely stop only part of the energy (59.3%) in the wind can be captured. (The so called Betz factor). As Brian pointed out the typical capacity factor (30%) is also a limit to how much wind power reaches the grid. Rick Rys 2006 R1200 GSA From rcavalie at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 06:23:16 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:23:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> Message-ID: <000a01caa499$5f5c3370$1e149a50$@net> That was clear and succinct - thanks. Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rys Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:38 AM To: 'Mac-Pac' Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! The reason that wind power goes up with the cube of speed: The kinetic energy of flowing air is 1/2*Mass*Velocity^2. At first glance you might think that Power goes up with Velocity squared, but the Mass passing by the blades is directly proportional to the Velocity so that is why it goes up with Velocity cubed. So 12 mph wind makes more than 70% more power than 10 mph wind! As the air downstream of the blades cannot completely stop only part of the energy (59.3%) in the wind can be captured. (The so called Betz factor). As Brian pointed out the typical capacity factor (30%) is also a limit to how much wind power reaches the grid. Rick Rys 2006 R1200 GSA _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 07:07:29 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:07:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Very cool series on Lindbergh crossing the Atlantic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sir: I empathize with Lindbergh, as I'm sure he would with me. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 3 11:05:07 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:05:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: <4B68F0ED.7040205@argolis.org> References: <8CC728055E195BF-990-37F2@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <4B68F0ED.7040205@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4ulim5tp3uqma0ed3i3s8v6bhtp2t2devq@4ax.com> > >It seems like it's free only with a renewal (I'm paid up for a couple >years), and if I buy one from the 'store' for $10, they want $6 freight. > Anything I'm missing? It's not intuitive. Login Click the "Buy Tickets" link At the bottom is a "Free Ticket" link Click the "purchase" button on the next couple of screens. It leads you to believe you need to purchase, but if you read carefully, you don't. I think it shows up at least twice, maybe three times. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 3 11:08:05 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:08:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> Message-ID: >Hard to get ships to the upper Midwest or west Texas where some of the >"best" wind is. It's a well know fact that Washington DC is the most consistent source of wind. Efforts to harness have proven futile. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 3 11:19:37 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:19:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: > >I have been quite interested on how a Toyota gas pedal worked and >that was the root cause of their problem. This was made even more >confusing with Toyota putting out a graphic showing how they will use >a precision metal shim to fix the problem. Thanks Joe, good stuff. Methinks Mr. Cutter could show them a thing ot two about shimming. :-) Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 3 11:47:16 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:47:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> References: <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> Message-ID: <4B691BF4.7082.D20F964@localhost> > The reason that wind power goes up with the cube of speed: > > The kinetic energy of flowing air is 1/2*Mass*Velocity^2. At first glance > you might think that Power goes up with Velocity squared, but the Mass > passing by the blades is directly proportional to the Velocity so that is > why it goes up with Velocity cubed. So 12 mph wind makes more than 70% more > power than 10 mph wind! > > As the air downstream of the blades cannot completely stop only part of the > energy (59.3%) in the wind can be captured. (The so called Betz factor). As > Brian pointed out the typical capacity factor (30%) is also a limit to how > much wind power reaches the grid. > > Rick, That was a good explanation of the general rules of wind power. Somewhere it was mentioned that the blades for the most powerful wind turbines are too long to take on the road, and they need to move by ship. They also mention that many inland sites don't have water access. I had an idea... Just have the boys at Boeing put a tail rotor on that puppy and make a helicopter out of it. Strap a large generator under the boom to power the super-sized rotor. Once you are at the site you would detach the generator and truck it back to the factory. I an already see it on the cover of Popular Science. Right next to the flying car! Shovel Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 12:28:58 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:28:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Dreaming and Planning my Summer Adventures References: <69F1CE97FA9E418C805EFD81EF2429B9@Tekki> Message-ID: Sorry everyone I have been offline for a few days rebuilding my server here at home. I'll post something regarding the proposed Labrador trip later tonight. It's looking better than I thought. I have discovered new roads have opened which will save a ferry ride. Jim Robinson West Chester PA 1995 BMW R1100GS Adventure "Little Enos" 1996 BMW K1100RS "The Red Baron" 2002 Ducati ST4S "Corbin Special" 2004 BMW R1150GS Adventure "Big Enos" From gary5410 at aol.com Wed Feb 3 14:08:51 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:08:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Dreaming and Planning my Summer Adventures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC72F18BD1421E-F14-628F@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> High speed ferry service to end http://www.catferry.com/cat-statement-2009.html Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure <<-----Original Message----- From: Jim Robinson <bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net> Sorry everyone I have been offline for a few days rebuilding my server here at home. I'll post something regarding the proposed Labrador trip later tonight. It's looking better than I thought. I have discovered new roads have opened which will save a ferry ride. Jim Robinson>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100203/fc70535c/attachment.html From gary5410 at aol.com Wed Feb 3 14:11:08 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:11:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Dreaming and Planning my Summer Adventures In-Reply-To: <8CC72F18BD1421E-F14-628F@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC72F18BD1421E-F14-628F@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC72F1DD7E926E-F14-630A@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> High speed ferry service to end http://www.catferry.com/cat-statement-2009.html Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure <<-----Original Message----- From: Jim Robinson <bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net> Sorry everyone I have been offline for a few days rebuilding my server here at home. I'll post something regarding the proposed Labrador trip later tonight. It's looking better than I thought. I have discovered new roads have opened which will save a ferry ride. Jim Robinson>> From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 14:50:49 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:50:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Visual Humore Message-ID: Here you go, something to help with the several inches of "global warming" we got. Here is a decent timekiller. http://thereifixedit.com/ (WS as far I looked.) Some of these people are "creative". Now are they taking pictures of their own efforts or those of someone else but they are not saying? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 12:48:44 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 07:48:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Jack's next MC is underdevelopment. Based on a Dutch design Message-ID: http://www.gizmag.com/urban-jet-150-mph-tilting-electric-vehicle/14060/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=8d1a205a3f-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email -- BMW-Dick From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 15:04:37 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:04:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: <8CC728FF54DF0DF-990-57FB@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC728FF54DF0DF-990-57FB@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Gary Christman wrote: > FREE ticket is at the bottom! click on free ticket > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Sorensen > > Only way I see to get a "free"ticket isto renew your membership > orjoin.....if you're already a member, you're stuffed, gotta buy one. > > Rick > > > > _______________________________________________ Rick is partially correct. As usual TANSTAAFL. A present member can get a free ticket with a membership renewal for an additional year. - EPH Note the recurring theme of "buy" a ticket. Or "buy / extend" a membership and get a free ticket. But ONLY IFF you buy a membership . >From http://www.bmwmoa.org/club/bmw_moa_club_news/bmw_moa_superbike_superstakes_faq I just joined in January, 2010. Are you going to send me a free ticket? No. Your membership must be purchased or renewed between February 1 and April 30, 2010 to receive a free ticket. However, you can purchase tickets for $10 each. I renewed my membership for 3 (or 5) years last year. Do I get a free ticket? No, your renewal purchase must occur between February 1 and April 30, 2010 However, you can purchase a ticket for $10. I just renewed my membership last month. How can I get a free ticket? You can renew or extend your membership at anytime between February 1, 2010 and April 30, 2010 and receive a free Superstakes ticket. Your membership expiration date will be extended 1, 3 or 5 years beyond your current expiration depending on the level of membership you purchase. My membership doesn't expire until June 30th, 2010. How do I get a free ticket? Your membership can be renewed now and the additional time will be added to your current expiration date. For example, if you purchase a 1 year renewal, your new expiration date will be June 30th, 2011 and you will receive a free Superstakes ticket. I mailed my normal renewal notice that I received with the BMW Owners News. Will I receive a free ticket? No, you must order the ticket or membership through one of the approved methods stated above. Can I purchase tickets online? Yes. You can purchase tickets online at www.bmwmoa.org/superstakes. From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 16:00:34 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:00:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Upgraded Vista to Windows 7 Message-ID: It went very smoothly for me. So far, all programs and files seem to be as they were, with the Win 7 appearance superimposed on the Desktop. One minor problem: the screen resolution has dropped to 1280x800, which appears to be the current max available. I had higher resolution before, so I think (hope) I will be able to browse to a better display driver ("Mobile Intel 45 Express") to restore the higher resolution. Details: -I bought the Win 7 upgrade from Staples for $120, so I can have a disk. -Both Vista and Win 7 are "Home Premium", 64-bit for me. I saw no need for Professional or Ultimate. -Before starting, I did a full backup to external HD, and ran the "Windows 7 Update Advisor", which analyzes your system for upgrade problems like drivers. Nothing significant was found, no problems. The backup is of questionable use, since it probably can only be restored to my now-gone Vista installation. -The upgrade takes "several" hours, in my case about 12 since I left it unattended mostly and there are 4 automatic reboots that require a keystroke. -My PC is an HP Pavilion dv5 Notebook PC, 4Gig RAM, 320 Gig HD I am happy with the result. Most settings, desktop icons, settings. etc were preserved and all previously installed programs work fine. Note that the final stage of installation was the transferring of 560,000 objects (files, settings, programs). Mind boggling. I recall the home computer I built in 1980 with 32k memory, for which I wrote a very complete editor and assembler that used less than half of the memory, and did everything I needed. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From 440props at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 16:11:02 2010 From: 440props at gmail.com (Robert Atkinson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:11:02 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 2, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Greg Roberts wrote: > I wouldn't want to be around when these brakes fail. > > http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/03/windmill_flying_apart.html 1. Seems like the propeller goes to "feather" to stop rotating. 2. Here in Wisconsin alternative power is 2% of the total. Politicians want to raise that number to 25% which would raise our user cost ~ 300 & 400%. -- Robert Atkinson - Racine, WI. USA. From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 16:48:23 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 11:48:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Jack's next MC is underdevelopment. Based on a Dutch design In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4431121002030848p7042cfaejbd218b8ebb2e95cb@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dick wrote: > http://www.gizmag.com/urban-jet-150-mph-tilting-electric-vehicle/14060/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=8d1a205a3f-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email > BMW-Dick Underdevelopment is more like it. Needs a lot more work. Dano From mrmevans at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 17:22:50 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:22:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Bullet Proof Fashion Message-ID: <8296f6de1002030922r44c95125l131baeb7c3953e1f@mail.gmail.com> >From CNN.com this morning - a tailor in Columbia designs fashionable protective gear for clients around the world. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/01/bogota.bulletproof.tailor/index.html?hpt=C1 It is a requirement in the workplace for all employees to be shot - instills a sense of the need for quality control. The reporter was also shot at close range. Any MAC-PAC royalty in need? Does an MOA Ambassador live with the same risks as a Colombian Ambassador? -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 18:48:22 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:48:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Rick Rys wrote: > The reason that wind power goes up with the cube of speed: > > The kinetic energy of flowing air is 1/2*Mass*Velocity^2. ?At first glance > you might think that Power goes up with Velocity squared, but the Mass > passing by the blades is directly proportional to the Velocity so that is > why it goes up with Velocity cubed. ?So 12 mph wind makes more than 70% more > power than 10 mph wind! > > As the air downstream of the blades cannot completely stop only part of the > energy (59.3%) in the wind can be captured. (The so called Betz factor). ?As > Brian pointed out the typical capacity factor (30%) is also a limit to how > much wind power reaches the grid. > > Rick Rys 2006 R1200 GSA > > > _______________________________________________ Tis true, tis true... The air mass that goezinta the windmill has gotsta come outta da windmill. Unfortunately, very little air moves if the exit air velocity is zero........ Betz Law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz%27_law the wind velocity at the rotor may be taken as the average of the upstream and downstream velocities. Cubic Power esplanation from the Danish http://www.talentfactory.dk/en/tour/wres/enrspeed.htm And from the English folks at NOVA http://www.science.org.au/nova/037/037box04.htm Same issue works the other way for cars and motorcycles that want to challenge the LSR. Power required to move faster through the air goes up with the cube of the velocity. Getting a better form factor (reduced drag coefficient) helps tremendously. But the cubic relationship remains. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_%28physics%29#Power Hence the enclosed Peraves Monotracer can beat out a less aerodynamic vehicle. EPH From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 20:52:52 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:52:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002031252w4560388eua8130df64f05d5b3@mail.gmail.com> > Hence the enclosed Peraves Monotracer can beat out a less aerodynamic vehicle. > > EPH Thank you Erik, That's one good thing about the freezin season. Gives a chance to actually figure out why the bike has to work so much harder as speeds go up. Because the air drag load is cubed in relation to the speed increase. Right??? So if you are going 10 MPH and you speed up to 12 MPH the air drag increases 70%. WTF can that really be true??? Dano From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 3 21:49:24 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:49:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: If you want to "understand" the news better.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B69EF64.9050907@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > Check this explanation out > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGSXMuWMR4 > (NSFW, swear words) > > Brilliant. From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 3 22:01:44 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:01:44 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002031252w4560388eua8130df64f05d5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> <4a4431121002031252w4560388eua8130df64f05d5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30884.12.181.211.35.1265234504.squirrel@12.181.211.35> >> Hence the enclosed Peraves Monotracer can beat out a less aerodynamic >> vehicle. >> >> EPH > > Thank you Erik, > > That's one good thing about the freezin season. > > Gives a chance to actually figure out why the bike has to work so much > harder as speeds go up. > > Because the air drag load is cubed in relation to the speed increase. > Right??? > > So if you are going 10 MPH and you speed up to 12 MPH the air drag > increases 70%. WTF can that really be true??? It is indeed true. However, it is not quite as bad as that until you get near illegal speeds (in PA). The rolling resistance is constant with speed and the aero resistance goes up with the square of the speed. Work=force*distance so the rolling power goes up linearly with speed and the aero power goes up with the cube of speed. Typically they are equal around 30-50 mph. Here is a cool calculator that demonstrates the point. Just look at the example numbers to see what I mean. http://ecomodder.com/forum/tool-aero-rolling-resistance.php Ride Safe, Joe > > Dano > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > > > From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 22:11:07 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:11:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002031252w4560388eua8130df64f05d5b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> <4a4431121002031252w4560388eua8130df64f05d5b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Dan Whitfield wrote: >> Hence the enclosed Peraves Monotracer can beat out a less aerodynamic vehicle. >> >> EPH > > Thank you Erik, > > That's one good thing about the freezin season. > > Gives a chance to actually figure out why the bike has to work so much > harder as speeds go up. > > Because the air drag load is cubed in relation to the speed increase. Right??? > > So if you are going 10 MPH and you speed up to 12 MPH the air drag > increases 70%. ?WTF can that really be true??? > > Dano > Sure, why not. Just don't confuse total rolling resistance with air drag. Air drag makes up only a part of rolling resistance at very low speeds. If the air drag increased from 3 to 5 lbs (a 66% increase) , who would notice? At very low speeds, (Low Reynolds numbers) other magic things happen. Not sure what that velocity regime is for typical vehicles, but I'll ask our WT folks. Erik From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 3 22:19:11 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:19:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Visual Humore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B69F65F.4050006@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > Here you go, something to help with the several inches of "global > warming" we got. Here is a decent timekiller. > > http://thereifixedit.com/ > (WS as far I looked.) > > Some of these people are "creative". Now are they taking pictures of > their own efforts or those of someone else but they are not saying? > I have one that I took that I need to upload. It was a van (like a Chevy or Ford 1/2 ton) in a garage parking lot. The rear axle was removed and the back was supported by what appeared to be an old end table (painted red). Saw it at the gas station on the corner of US1 and US202, on the way to the November dinner (IIRC). From jaburke4 at verizon.net Wed Feb 3 22:58:12 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:58:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any one for a S 1000RR snow cone Message-ID: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> Don't let winter stop you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPOw-Xmm4o John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 3 23:09:18 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:09:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any one for a S 1000RR snow cone In-Reply-To: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> Message-ID: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPOw-Xmm4o Bet they woulda felt REALLY dumb if they hit an open stretch! I want to say that was pretty kewl, but my brain screams at me that it was just F'n stupid. Rick From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 23:45:41 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:45:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any one for a S 1000RR snow cone In-Reply-To: References: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 2/3/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPOw-Xmm4o > > > Bet they woulda felt REALLY dumb if they hit an open stretch! > > I want to say that was pretty kewl, but my brain screams at me that it was > just F'n stupid. My first thought.... Gotta ask Rob Nye how it felt to ride. It is SO RPB!!!! No guts no glory Rick. Open stretch. That is what situational awareness is about and for this situation not that tough. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 00:17:51 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:17:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windmill Gone Wild! In-Reply-To: <30884.12.181.211.35.1265234504.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <2a937ecc1002021700h77a838f3ia099b4a0e8038cd3@mail.gmail.com> <01fd01caa47c$f8c1f080$ea45d180$@com> <000701caa48e$da948c00$8fbda400$@net> <028201caa493$025d7ef0$07187cd0$@com> <4a4431121002031252w4560388eua8130df64f05d5b3@mail.gmail.com> <30884.12.181.211.35.1265234504.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On 2/3/10, Joe Dille wrote: > > Gives a chance to actually figure out why the bike has to work so much > > harder as speeds go up. And such discussions is what separates the wheat from the chaff. > > Because the air drag load is cubed in relation to the speed increase. > > Right??? > > > > So if you are going 10 MPH and you speed up to 12 MPH the air drag > > increases 70%. WTF can that really be true??? Math is hard. Yer right. :( > > It is indeed true. However, it is not quite as bad as that until you get > near illegal speeds (in PA). The rolling resistance is constant with > speed and the aero resistance goes up with the square of the speed. > Work=force*distance so the rolling power goes up linearly with speed and > the aero power goes up with the cube of speed. Typically they are equal > around 30-50 mph. > > Here is a cool calculator that demonstrates the point. Just look at the > example numbers to see what I mean. And now you are talking a Word math problem and the number of folks that can deal with them is even less. :(:( It is the little things that get you and things you don't think of or don't throw into your model. Making models is not completely obvious, and why they need a lot of critical review and then validation after that. Well if you are the government, you don't need the validation. You just declare it so. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 00:46:03 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:46:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Bullet Proof Fashion In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002030922r44c95125l131baeb7c3953e1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B69D27B.18526.FE9F663@localhost> > >From CNN.com this morning - a tailor in Columbia designs fashionable > protective gear for clients around the world. > Right off the bat I thought the receptionist was quite bullet proof. > http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/01/bogota.bulletproof.tailor/index.html?hpt=C1 > > It is a requirement in the workplace for all employees to be shot - > instills a sense of the need for quality control. > Everyone gets fired on the first day! > The reporter was also shot at close range. > That was cool. > Any MAC-PAC royalty in need? Does an MOA Ambassador live with the same > risks as a Colombian Ambassador? No worries mon. It is a bullet proof spoon. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 00:54:02 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:54:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT?: WPTZ on the Miracle of 1955 Philly Message-ID: Very cool IMO video made by WPTZ by my guess on the Philly area in 1955. What the expectations were. It is a puff peice in some ways. I can remember some of the stuff shown here. I remember it more in the "going away" phase. The description of the NJ side is interesting. Plus it notes that Philly is the worlds largest fresh water port. There are not that many large rivers that can be sailed well up them so you are in fresh water. The Saint Lawrence Seaway is a real late comer. Oh, and watch the cars go around the corners. Different from today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7RwQdMdm4 Related cool video there is this one of going through one of the old PA TPK tunnels. Single tunnels that were abandoned and gone around or are not double tunneled. I remember my Mom HATING them when traveling to visit the relatives in MI. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-p-itqtjo4 The first video is compliments of Little Bob Atkinson, who wonders "What happened???" Both are WS. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 01:10:20 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:10:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: On 2/2/10, Joe Dille wrote: > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas- > pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/ > > A video is in this one. > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/video-in-depth-look-at-toyotas-sticky > -accelerator/ Looking through these I note that it is a "non-contact" controller. Nothing to wear were the contacts are are made up. It uses a magnet. I am wondering if they are using a HES to see where the magnet is and work from there. I wonder what happens when the magnet falls off? I can't tell enough from the illustration, but it appears the Denso unit the magnet rotates around the sensor. The CTS it hangs out there and the magnet is really moving. Different magnet mountings. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jaburke4 at verizon.net Thu Feb 4 01:31:40 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:31:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Impending Snow-Impending Spring Message-ID: Looking through some of the files on my computer I found a copy of the PA motorcycle manual. Every spring (Late winter) I look over some riding manuals and info and starting to think of riding on salt free, warmer roads. Hopefully the reading will blow away some of the riding cobwebs. Down load and enjoy! http://public.me.com/jaburke4 Think pleasant thoughts....dry roads............warm days............food stops...........uuuuurrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggg. John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 01:48:36 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:48:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any one for a S 1000RR snow cone In-Reply-To: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> References: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4a4431121002031748qa21138ap1f801dca151b321@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:58 PM, John Burkhauser wrote: > Don't let winter stop you! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPOw-Xmm4o > > John Burkhauser > jaburke4 at verizon.net Why no cornering shots??? Dano From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 02:21:07 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:21:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? Message-ID: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> This info is too good to leave at the tail end of the windmill thread! Cycle World's Kevin Cameron, who happened to take an interest in our discussion on wind drag increasing by velocity increase cubed, and has a gift for making things understandable said today: The drag force increases as velocity, squared, but the power to overcome that force adds another velocity to the equation (the velocity at which the force must move), so that power to overcome drag goes up as velocity, cubed. KC How about it Joe, Erik, Brian, Rick, etc? Does this tell it like it is? Or is there more? ECO Dano Greensboro NC From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Thu Feb 4 02:49:03 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:49:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Simulated Landing in Hudson Message-ID: <024801caa544$9cd0f6e0$4101a8c0@FastHP> This is fascinating even if it is only simulated http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tE_5eiYn0D0#t=109 Marge From jasiii at earthlink.net Thu Feb 4 02:50:03 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (James A. Sterling) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:50:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any one for a S 1000RR snow cone In-Reply-To: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> Message-ID: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPOw-Xmm4o > > John Burkhauser > jaburke4 at verizon.net That is just wrong.. Way too fast for ice.. I wish I was on it :-> Jim From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 4 02:56:09 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:56:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT?: WPTZ on the Miracle of 1955 Philly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC735CBCF63AE8-4564-ACD2@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> <> You should use your famous "FSVO" prefix on that, because the tide line is Morrisville, well upriver of Philly. Science question for the geeks to ponder while us jocks steal your wimmen: Why does it matter to shipping in navigable waterways whether the water is salt, brackish or fresh? Oh, snap. I used to be a CG Certified tug engineer... didn't know that, didja? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 03:03:30 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:03:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: <4B69F2B2.4460.1067CD11@localhost> > On 2/2/10, Joe Dille wrote: > > > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas- > > pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/ > > > > A video is in this one. > > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/video-in-depth-look-at-toyotas-sticky > > -accelerator/ > > Looking through these I note that it is a "non-contact" controller. > Nothing to wear were the contacts are are made up. It uses a magnet. > > I am wondering if they are using a HES to see where the magnet is and > work from there. I wonder what happens when the magnet falls off? > > I can't tell enough from the illustration, but it appears the Denso > unit the magnet rotates around the sensor. The CTS it hangs out there > and the magnet is really moving. Different magnet mountings. > Hall Effect Sensors (HES) are typically on/off devices and are used to determine presence. I am thinking Toyota is using a magnetoresistive sensor. It is also non-contact. It has the advantage of being more proportional. I believe the sensor is made with a semiconductor process so it is cheap. This article points out its advantages: http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Sorting_out_magneto%5Bfill-in-the- blank%5D_technologies-article-mts-jun2006-html.aspx One of the advantages are low noise. It looks like a good fit for someone that wants a $11 gas pedal that won't wear out. This company makes a part that would drop right in. http://www.nxp.com/documents/other/75016147.pdf I am not sure if it is used for that, but it is a good fit. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From mrmevans at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 03:09:11 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:09:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any one for a S 1000RR snow cone In-Reply-To: References: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002031909u7b9305afy9b34bbc1d04ffe4a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, James A. Sterling wrote: > > That is just wrong.. Way too fast for ice.. > > I wish I was on it :-> > OK - I'm no racer, but as a spectator - that was just plain boring. He never even turned the bike on camera. I know this one has been posted before - far more interesting take on ice riding w/ street bikes. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/92090/motorbike_ice_roadracing/ -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 03:31:30 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:31:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Roddy sends this notice to the list Message-ID: If your computer does this when copying files watch out. http://behindthegoals.com/forum/f5/virus-alert-pass-please-18385/ (WS, except for use of the word sh1t.) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 03:40:14 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:40:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT?: WPTZ on the Miracle of 1955 Philly In-Reply-To: <8CC735CBCF63AE8-4564-ACD2@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC735CBCF63AE8-4564-ACD2@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/3/10, Tom Cutter wrote: > < largest fresh water port. There are not that many large rivers that > can be sailed well up them so you are in fresh water. The Saint > Lawrence Seaway is a real late comer.>> > > You should use your famous "FSVO" prefix on that, because the tide line is > Morrisville, well upriver of Philly. Point and I did think of that as I wrote it. However Philly has a water system intake that is in "salt water" but not real saltish. They usually only really complain when there is a REAL drought. > Science question for the geeks to ponder while us jocks steal your wimmen: > Why does it matter to shipping in navigable waterways whether the water is > salt, brackish or fresh? Your depth varies depending on density. Corrosion effects. When you can dump ballast w/o upsetting anyone. > Oh, snap. I used to be a CG Certified tug engineer... didn't know that, > didja? I do remember you speaking of working on a tug, in the NY harbor, dredging as I remember. And being very grumpy when folks did noisey stuff right next to you w/ no warning. Plus BIG stuff moving close to where you had appendages that it would be bad if you lost them. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 03:43:13 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:43:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B69F2B2.4460.1067CD11@localhost> References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> <4B69F2B2.4460.1067CD11@localhost> Message-ID: On 2/3/10, Joe Dille wrote: > > work from there. I wonder what happens when the magnet falls off? > > > > I can't tell enough from the illustration, but it appears the Denso > > unit the magnet rotates around the sensor. The CTS it hangs out there > > and the magnet is really moving. Different magnet mountings. > > > Hall Effect Sensors (HES) are typically on/off devices and are used > to determine presence. I am thinking Toyota is using a > magnetoresistive sensor. It is also non-contact. It has the > advantage of being more proportional. I believe the sensor is made > with a semiconductor process so it is cheap. This article points out > its advantages: > > http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Sorting_out_magneto%5Bfill-in-the- > blank%5D_technologies-article-mts-jun2006-html.aspx Ah!!! GMRs like are used in HD read heads. THNX for the illumination. > One of the advantages are low noise. It looks like a good fit for > someone that wants a $11 gas pedal that won't wear out. I think the "what happens if the magnet falls off" might still be real. And would be hard to sort out in a smoked melted car. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 04:01:58 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:01:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6A0066.1080.109D5395@localhost> > This info is too good to leave at the tail end of the windmill thread! > > Cycle World's Kevin Cameron, who happened to take an interest in our > discussion on wind drag increasing by velocity increase cubed, and has > a gift for making things understandable said today: > > The drag force increases as velocity, squared, but the power > > to overcome that force adds another velocity to the equation > > (the velocity at which the force must move), > > so that power to overcome drag goes up as velocity, cubed. > > > > KC > > How about it Joe, Erik, Brian, Rick, etc? Does this tell it like it > is? Or is there more? > > Exactly what I said. This is pretty much it. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 04:13:14 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:13:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: No more dual tires? Message-ID: <4B6A030A.11931.10A7A49B@localhost> I was driving behind a big rig today and I saw it had one big tire on each corner instead of dual tires. What's with that? Are 18 wheelers now to become 10 wheelers? Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From gary5410 at aol.com Thu Feb 4 04:19:35 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:19:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: No more dual tires? In-Reply-To: <4B6A030A.11931.10A7A49B@localhost> References: <4B6A030A.11931.10A7A49B@localhost> Message-ID: <8CC736863AB527C-1A6C-6B00@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> Can't drive with a flat....plus availability on the road...I hear Goodyear is trying to get them all over the country so trucks can find a spare. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Dille To: mac-Pac Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:13 pm Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: No more dual tires? I was driving behind a big rig today and I saw it had one big tire on each corner instead of dual tires. What's with that? Are 18 wheelers now to become 10 wheelers? Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 4 04:22:29 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:22:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any one for a S 1000RR snow cone In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002031909u7b9305afy9b34bbc1d04ffe4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6FF480D7-0746-4CCD-AE69-5BD645D13829@verizon.net> <8296f6de1002031909u7b9305afy9b34bbc1d04ffe4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6A4B85.30609@argolis.org> Michael Evans wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:50 PM, James A. Sterling wrote: >> That is just wrong.. Way too fast for ice.. >> >> I wish I was on it :-> >> > > OK - I'm no racer, but as a spectator - that was just plain boring. He > never even turned the bike on camera. > > I know this one has been posted before - far more interesting take on > ice riding w/ street bikes. > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/92090/motorbike_ice_roadracing/ > I like this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI3Mc0JTfoQ (WS, Motorcycle sounds) I suspect that Max BMW (like most dealers) only get a handful of S1000RRs, so they didn't want to crash it. Also, that ice seemed really lumpy. The suspension was working pretty hard. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 04:38:43 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:38:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: So you feel "safe" now that airports will be using full body scanners Message-ID: real soon now? Don't be too safe. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/24/body_scanner_fail/ The video done in German showing that the stuff the guy had on him "would work." (Is the guy a younger version of Jack Riepe?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKvweNugnQ And then there are the bosom bombers. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123758 I had figured this one was coming some back. Watch out for the burqah lady with big tits. All above WS. Flying Naked in manacles would likely make the planes a LOT safer. Load factors might drop a bit until the number of flights fell a lot. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 04:40:45 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:40:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 125 rare pics of famous people Message-ID: There is moto content in here. http://www.cracktwo.com/2010/01/rare-photos-of-famous-people-125-pics.html (WS, except for one shot of a stripper. Keep moving, don't linger) Interesting pics. Some real old. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 04:47:26 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:47:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 19 complex and dangerous roads. Message-ID: Some of these I would not be thinking of ANYTHING but the road and where it was going. I suspect that bringing goods in over some of them, increases the cost a LOT. I don't think and 18 wheeler would make it on some of them. I don't think that even Earle could make time on some of them too. http://www.waze.com/blog/the-19-most-complex-and-dangerous-roads-in-the-world/ (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rys at R2Controls.com Thu Feb 4 05:24:10 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:24:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <031c01caa55a$485c2b00$d9148100$@com> Dan asked: Or is there more? Yes Dan there is a little more. In the case of pushing a vehicle through the air, the rules: Force is proportional to V^2 and Power is proportional to V^3 are correct for practical purposes, and KC has it right. Power is given by the equation. Power = 1/2(Density*Area*Cd*velocity^3) The problem is the shape factor called the Cd (Drag coefficient). Unfortunately the Cd is not exactly constant and changes with air speed. The Cd changes with air speed in a messy way and it changes differently for each shape. At very low speeds less than 1 mph the flow becomes Laminar (think teardrop-streamlined) and the Cd rises sharply (like x1000). At normal vehicle speeds (less than 200mph) the flow is Turbulent (think swirling wake) and the Cd is almost constant but still can vary by 10 or 20%. Near the speed of sound the Cd can change up or down by a factor of 10 or more. So Power is "approximately" proportional to V^3 for cars and bikes at normal speeds. This Q&A has a nice discussion about the limits on Cd. http://www.atzonline.com/index.php;do=show/site=a4e/sid=4320250764b6a518c77b 17831900348/alloc=35/id=147 I would also mention that Scientific American, Feb 2010 issue, had a useful discussion about better mileage from a Honda car researcher. Aerodynamics is only one factor, and not so significant compared to other options for normal driving. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=better-mileage-now It seems to me that considering their weight, motorcycles get awful mileage compared to cars. Rick Rys 2006 R1200GSA From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 4 10:45:01 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 02:45:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] 19 complex and dangerous roads. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Curry wrote: > Some of these I would not be thinking of ANYTHING but the road and > where it was going. I suspect that bringing goods in over some of > them, increases the cost a LOT. I don't think and 18 wheeler would > make it on some of them. !! Can you imagine the outcry in the US if we had 200-300 deaths per year on one particular road? We get our knickers in a twist over the quality of guardrails on wide, straight, flat, rural interstate highways. Are we helpless wimps or what? - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLaqUtAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl20ywH/0Nn9a+3JOVbJv5JciAf2CxO eLXWJP5k7ZtAgFeznbhMWqj2axVnEphmk4J0/IMF63AejwDsR8FcrMZrFon33wUL +JAaBnFBAEvvSdCxcOLYwBm3RH31qGMzoHz8+6rEehdDkPcEk8kRdoYYMWSwbrdl 4gFNBiDWIzmpnVp1lNBc1/erA6y4sRVDJHICvWHHV2XYo3Q0OFSF5RkVa6LdZokp t+IGIYGbaBwNT4os1uGr+PazeRn55UIBwlR4nqeNdJxXUMCkq7ut6c3lJRYJJqpa QLA4qqkCYZfm1WquxTd4XpmwYlrlwK6xg6Xqg/c8V4EpDf6CBmeoCQMERgxaopM= =eIKN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 04:19:39 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:19:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B69F2B2.4460.1067CD11@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6A048B.32146.10AD86D6@localhost> > On 2/3/10, Joe Dille wrote: > > > > work from there. I wonder what happens when the magnet falls off? > > > > > > I can't tell enough from the illustration, but it appears the Denso > > > unit the magnet rotates around the sensor. The CTS it hangs out there > > > and the magnet is really moving. Different magnet mountings. > > Snip... > > > One of the advantages are low noise. It looks like a good fit for > > someone that wants a $11 gas pedal that won't wear out. > > I think the "what happens if the magnet falls off" might still be > real. And would be hard to sort out in a smoked melted car. > I am sure you could reduce it to a suitable low level. At least as low as what if the wire falls off? However, what if magnetic shoe farkle becomes all the rage? What if the subwoffer rolls under your feet. What if the hard drive falls out of the dash. This could be a problem. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 11:14:53 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:14:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT?: WPTZ on the Miracle of 1955 Philly In-Reply-To: References: <8CC735CBCF63AE8-4564-ACD2@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B6A65DD.19755.1229ADA4@localhost> > On 2/3/10, Tom Cutter wrote: > > < > largest fresh water port. There are not that many large rivers that > > can be sailed well up them so you are in fresh water. The Saint > > Lawrence Seaway is a real late comer.>> > > > > You should use your famous "FSVO" prefix on that, because the tide line is > > Morrisville, well upriver of Philly. > > Point and I did think of that as I wrote it. However Philly has a > water system intake that is in "salt water" but not real saltish. > They usually only really complain when there is a REAL drought. > > > Science question for the geeks to ponder while us jocks steal your wimmen: > > Why does it matter to shipping in navigable waterways whether the water is > > salt, brackish or fresh? > > Your depth varies depending on density. Corrosion effects. When you > can dump ballast w/o upsetting anyone. > Also when you bring the boat into the fresh water it kills or at least inhibits the biological life on the hull. The can extend the time between hull cleanings. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 11:47:18 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:47:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? In-Reply-To: <4B6A0066.1080.109D5395@localhost> References: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A0066.1080.109D5395@localhost> Message-ID: <4a4431121002040347i9c1b1e5hf680b1d767a32dc9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > > >> This info is too good to leave at the tail end of the windmill thread! >> >> Cycle World's Kevin Cameron, who happened to take an interest in our >> discussion on wind drag increasing by velocity increase cubed, and has >> a gift for making things understandable said today: >> >> ? ? The drag force increases as velocity, squared, but the power >> >> ? ? to overcome that force adds another velocity to the equation >> >> ? ? ?(the velocity at which the force must move), >> >> ? ? so that power to overcome drag goes up as velocity, cubed. >> >> >> >> ? ? KC >> >> How about it Joe, Erik, Brian, Rick, etc? Does this tell it like it >> is? Or is there more? >> >> > Exactly what I said. ?This is pretty much it. > > Ride Safe, > > Joe Absolutely amazing!!! Your drag calculator http://ecomodder.com/forum/tool-aero-rolling-resistance.php Shows that the car has to push with 1000 pounds of force at 110 MPH just to over come air drag. Dano From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 11:46:47 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:46:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: No more dual tires? In-Reply-To: <8CC736863AB527C-1A6C-6B00@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B6A030A.11931.10A7A49B@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6A6D57.5814.1246E47B@localhost> > Can't drive with a flat....plus availability on the road...I hear > Goodyear is trying to get them all over the country so trucks can find > a spare. > What is the up side? Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 11:55:57 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:55:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: No more dual tires? In-Reply-To: <4B6A6D57.5814.1246E47B@localhost> References: <4B6A030A.11931.10A7A49B@localhost> <8CC736863AB527C-1A6C-6B00@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> <4B6A6D57.5814.1246E47B@localhost> Message-ID: <4a4431121002040355o52839d6ar544eeff33eabc3c6@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Joe Dille wrote: > > >> Can't drive with a flat....plus availability on the road...I hear >> Goodyear is trying to get them all over the country so trucks can find >> a spare. >> > > What is the up side? > > Ride Safe, > > Joe A lot less labor changing tires would be one up side. Another would be fewer tire shards on the highway from running unaware of a flat (Major importance to us, especially at night). Less chance of ruining a good tire running in tandem with a flat. Dano From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 4 14:05:48 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:05:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT?: WPTZ on the Miracle of 1955 Philly In-Reply-To: References: <8CC735CBCF63AE8-4564-ACD2@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC73BA498D5854-1748-2280@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> > Science question for the geeks to ponder while us jocks steal your wimmen: > Why does it matter to shipping in navigable waterways whether the water is > salt, brackish or fresh? Your depth varies depending on density. Corrosion effects. When you can dump ballast w/o upsetting anyone.>> In a word, buoyancy. Fresh water has less, so a ship with 10 feet of draft that sails up a 12-foot-dredged channel will run aground when it meets the mostly fresh water. Dumping ballast water s illegal everywhere any more. The CG use spotter planes, and all kinds of fancy detectors to find ya. 10PPM of oil in bilge water pumped overboard is good for a fat fine. <<> Oh, snap. I used to be a CG Certified tug engineer... didn't know that, > didja? I do remember you speaking of working on a tug, in the NY harbor, dredging as I remember. And being very grumpy when folks did noisey stuff right next to you w/ no warning. Plus BIG stuff moving close to where you had appendages that it would be bad if you lost them.>> I started that job in Camden, on the Tug Frank H. Caven for American Dredging Company. First job was at the Philly Navy Yard. Later worked for Weeks Marine, Norfolk Dredge & Drydock and several other smaller companies. Just went where the union sent me. Learned a lot about the percentage of crooked union bosses (100) and the likelihood of surviving a career on the water without a debilitating injury (0) Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 4 14:50:13 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:50:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 Message-ID: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> http://247wallst.com/2010/02/04/us-recession-job-loss-may-have-been-undercounted-by-824000/ Another classic example of gets nothing correct or simple distorts the data...your choice! Chris Jaccarino From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 15:06:55 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:06:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT?: WPTZ on the Miracle of 1955 Philly In-Reply-To: <8CC73BA498D5854-1748-2280@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC735CBCF63AE8-4564-ACD2@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> <8CC73BA498D5854-1748-2280@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Tom Cutter wrote: > Just went where the union sent me. Learned a lot about the percentage of > crooked union bosses (100) Ah... But not in Philly per WPTZ!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wayne at 2zars.com Thu Feb 4 15:30:48 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:30:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> Message-ID: <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> > http://247wallst.com/2010/02/04/us-recession-job-loss-may-have-been-undercounted-by-824000/ > > Another classic example of gets nothing correct or simple distorts the > data...your choice! Well, they used a mathematical model to predict the the loss. Here's my favorite quote regarding models. BTW, I use a math model daily to predict resource loading, so I'm a firm believer in their value. You have to understand their limitations. "All models are wrong, some models are useful" George Edward Pelham Box http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_E._P._Box -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 4 15:54:35 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:54:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: So you feel "safe" now that airports will be using full body scanners Message-ID: The end of bosom bomber link struck me, saying a hole in the skin of the aircraft would guarantee a crash. I guess they haven't heard of that hawaiian airlines flight back in the 80s. Makes me wonder how much of this is scaremongering. (Top post since the Android client doesn't have another option.) Brian Curry wrote: >real soon now? > >Don't be too safe. > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/24/body_scanner_fail/ > >The video done in German showing that the stuff the guy had on him >"would work." (Is the guy a younger version of Jack Riepe?) >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKvweNugnQ > >And then there are the bosom bombers. >http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123758 >I had figured this one was coming some back. Watch out for the burqah >lady with big tits. > >All above WS. > >Flying Naked in manacles would likely make the planes a LOT safer. >Load factors might drop a bit until the number of flights fell a lot. > > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ambassador BMW MOA | >Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? >"DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped >K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at >Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com >_______________________________________________ >Mac-pac-l mailing list >Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 4 16:03:49 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:03:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> Wayne Woodruff wrote: >> http://247wallst.com/2010/02/04/us-recession-job-loss-may-have-been-undercounted-by-824000/ >> >> Another classic example of gets nothing correct or simple distorts the >> data...your choice! >> > > Well, they used a mathematical model to predict the the loss. Here's > my favorite quote regarding models. BTW, I use a math model daily to > predict resource loading, so I'm a firm believer in their value. You > have to understand their limitations. > > > "All models are wrong, some models are useful" George Edward Pelham Box > > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_E._P._Box > > > > > I just typed out a nice ranting reply and had to delete it. Black helicopters and highly armed individuals would have been at my front door within 3 minutes of my posting it. I was mistaken about my original post.....I love my govt. Govt works for me. I trust everything they say/do. Chris From brian at whatever2k.com Thu Feb 4 16:09:32 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:09:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> > I just typed out a nice ranting reply and had to delete it. Black > helicopters and highly armed individuals would have been at my front > door within 3 minutes of my posting it. > > I was mistaken about my original post.....I love my govt. Govt works > for me. I trust everything they say/do. Ballots are cheaper than bullets. Vote in November. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:27:18 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:27:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: So you feel "safe" now that airports will be using full body scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > The end of bosom bomber link struck me, saying a hole in the skin of the aircraft would guarantee a crash. I guess they haven't heard of that hawaiian airlines flight back in the 80s. Makes me wonder how much of this is scaremongering. As noted, you want the explosion in the right area. Near a fuel tank, particulary a vapor filled one would be bad. The Muslim nutcases did a small explosion on a 747 in the Phillipines years ago. The passenger in the seat above the bomb (Left by a prior passenger, look in (http://www.amazon.com/1000-Years-Revenge-International-FBI/dp/006054354X)) was sucked out. Everyone else was very spooked. They don't have to take the plane down Just make people feel uncomfortable about flying and the business "model" suddenly sux and goes TU. Ask Jack for details on that. Would you fly much if you thought there was a good chance you would be splattered with the exploding passenger next to you? The guy with the exploding ass died, the people around him were injured and smelled bad for sure. Not something they would look forward to much I suspect. Fear mongering works just like jaw boning. > (Top post since the Android client doesn't have another option.) Can the Droid TRIM???? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From ephoet at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:33:09 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:33:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002040347i9c1b1e5hf680b1d767a32dc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A0066.1080.109D5395@localhost> <4a4431121002040347i9c1b1e5hf680b1d767a32dc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Dan Whitfield wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Joe Dille wrote: >> >> >>> This info is too good to leave at the tail end of the windmill thread! >>> >>> >>> How about it Joe, Erik, Brian, Rick, etc? Does this tell it like it >>> is? Or is there more? I talked with Bill Grauer at our subsonic windtunnel this morning. Asked about the power equation at low speeds, specifically asking at what airspeeds do you begin to see laminar flow where the cube law would not be applicable. Bill said "it depends". (Of course!, he's an aerodynamicist) -- size / shape of object ( Cd, drag coefficient etc) -- and also highly dependent on surface roughness ( which disturbs laminar air flow) But typically you might see laminar air flow for MC sized objects below the 5-10 MPH regime. He specifically mentioned that he was surprised at how bad the Cd of an unstreamlined MC really is. Does that help Dano? Erik Hoet From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:36:05 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:36:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Brian Burdette wrote: > > > I just typed out a nice ranting reply and had to delete it. Black > > helicopters and highly armed individuals would have been at my front > > door within 3 minutes of my posting it. > > > > I was mistaken about my original post.....I love my govt. Govt works > > for me. I trust everything they say/do. > > > Ballots are cheaper than bullets. > > Vote in November. Yes. The lights are coming on. Polling is indicating that the prior belief that "all the other guys are bad, but my guy is good and I will vote for him/her" is changing. More "They are all nutz, and TIME FOR CHANGE. Who's new???" Interesting times, and not necessarily good for the prior centers of power. Oh, and the original point. If they are providing DATA from a F'ing model, it is not DATA. It is an opinion and they are like AHs everyone has one. Provide REAL NUMBERs with opinions and let the masses decide. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:38:37 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:38:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A0066.1080.109D5395@localhost> <4a4431121002040347i9c1b1e5hf680b1d767a32dc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Dan Whitfield wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Joe Dille > He specifically mentioned that he was surprised at how bad the Cd of > an unstreamlined MC really is. An unfaired MC is just FLAT UGLY on drag. The thing that makes small MC get great mileage as well as being cute is that they never get to speeds that drag gets ugly, and the engine is running WFO, and pumping losses are about zip. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From mrmevans at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 16:47:45 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:47:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002040847ta5e176eld878ee4187175920@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Brian Burdette wrote: > >> I just typed out a nice ranting reply and had to delete it. ?Black >> helicopters and highly armed individuals would have been at my front >> door within 3 minutes of my posting it. >> >> I was mistaken about my original post.....I love my govt. ?Govt works >> for me. ?I trust everything they say/do. > > Ballots are cheaper than bullets. > > Vote in November. > There is a story of a Rabbi and a Priest standing over a still breathing deer that had just been shot with a hunter's arrow. They were engaged in a rather heated debate over the point in time when the soul leaves a body - as it is dying or after it draws its last breath. A Buddhist monk who was passing stopped and bent over the animal, removed the arrow, applied a dressing and sent the deer on its way. If you are one who lost a job - the correct number of total job losses is really a moot point isn't it? It does not change the fact that you need a new job. Where do you want to focus your energy? -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 4 17:51:39 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:51:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002040847ta5e176eld878ee4187175920@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> <8296f6de1002040847ta5e176eld878ee4187175920@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> Michael Evans wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Brian Burdette wrote: > >>> I just typed out a nice ranting reply and had to delete it. Black >>> helicopters and highly armed individuals would have been at my front >>> door within 3 minutes of my posting it. >>> >>> I was mistaken about my original post.....I love my govt. Govt works >>> for me. I trust everything they say/do. >>> >> Ballots are cheaper than bullets. >> >> Vote in November. >> >> > > There is a story of a Rabbi and a Priest standing over a still > breathing deer that had just been shot with a hunter's arrow. They > were engaged in a rather heated debate over the point in time when the > soul leaves a body - as it is dying or after it draws its last breath. > A Buddhist monk who was passing stopped and bent over the animal, > removed the arrow, applied a dressing and sent the deer on its way. > It was nice of the Buddist Monk to pull the arrow and let the deer die without an arrow stuck in him. I am amazed the Rabbi and Priest did nothing and couldnt see how such would have been more dignifying to the deer in his final moments. You say WTF that's not what happened? Prove it. The story is nice and touching or so you think, but we dont know what actually happened to the deer. Do we? "Sending the deer on its way" meant what? The story relies on the human weakness of "hope". Unfortunately, hope dont cut it in reality. Reality cuts it in reality. > If you are one who lost a job - the correct number of total job losses > is really a moot point isn't it? It does not change the fact that you > need a new job. Where do you want to focus your energy? > > Example 1. If you are an "investor" (or possibly a trader) in the markets and you believe the routine govt data and your market positions are based on said data and then the data is proven wrong by a huge amount for whatever reason and you take a 2-4% hit overnight on your positions....do you have the right to be pissed off? I am not in the above position....but I have friends who were. Example 2....you are one who owns and operates a business and tries to base business spending (including hiring employees) on govt data, and then the data is proven BS. Should you be allowed to fire those new hires (at no unemployment cost, word of mouth derogatory chatter, etc. to your business) or get a refund on capital expenditures because the data was falsified/wrong? The above certainly does not effect my case, but I know several companies that it might. Without accurate, truthful information, why bother operating/doing anything as a society at all? Chris Jaccarino From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 18:02:15 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:02:15 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002040347i9c1b1e5hf680b1d767a32dc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A0066.1080.109D5395@localhost> <4a4431121002040347i9c1b1e5hf680b1d767a32dc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54047.12.181.211.35.1265306535.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Joe Dille > wrote: >> >> >>> This info is too good to leave at the tail end of the windmill thread! >>> >>> Cycle World's Kevin Cameron, who happened to take an interest in our >>> discussion on wind drag increasing by velocity increase cubed, and has >>> a gift for making things understandable said today: >>> >>> ? ? The drag force increases as velocity, squared, but the power >>> >>> ? ? to overcome that force adds another velocity to the equation >>> >>> ? ? ?(the velocity at which the force must move), >>> >>> ? ? so that power to overcome drag goes up as velocity, cubed. >>> >>> >>> >>> ? ? KC >>> >>> How about it Joe, Erik, Brian, Rick, etc? Does this tell it like it >>> is? Or is there more? >>> >>> >> Exactly what I said. ?This is pretty much it. >> >> Ride Safe, >> >> Joe > > > Absolutely amazing!!! > > Your drag calculator > > http://ecomodder.com/forum/tool-aero-rolling-resistance.php > > Shows that the car has to push with 1000 pounds of force at 110 MPH > just to over come air drag. > So, how many horsepower is that? 1000 lb* 110 mph * (88ft/s)/(60 mph)*(1/(550 ft-lb/s) = 293 hp Sounds reasonable to me. Ride Safe, Joe From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 18:07:48 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <591725914.3677911265306783390.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1249480361.3679191265306868774.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Wayne Woodruff wrote: >> http://247wallst.com/2010/02/04/us-recession-job-loss-may-have-been-undercounted-by-824000/ >> >> Another classic example of gets nothing correct or simple distorts the >> data...your choice! >> When you compare the amount of the error compared to the population of the US you are talking about a difference of less than 2 tenths of 1%. Statistically that is insignificant. Sounds like a lot, and if you are one of those people, it sure does count, but this will be the justification. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 4 18:09:27 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:09:27 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Air Drag from 10MPH-12MPH goes up 70%?? In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002031821m30a636d6x46b6a23dcf0265b4@mail.gmail.com> <4B6A0066.1080.109D5395@localhost> <4a4431121002040347i9c1b1e5hf680b1d767a32dc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58547.12.181.211.35.1265306967.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On 2/4/10, Erik Hoet wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Dan Whitfield >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Joe Dille > >> He specifically mentioned that he was surprised at how bad the Cd of >> an unstreamlined MC really is. > > An unfaired MC is just FLAT UGLY on drag. > > The thing that makes small MC get great mileage as well as being cute > is that they never get to speeds that drag gets ugly, and the engine > is running WFO, and pumping losses are about zip. > > Also they have small frontal area. The drag is proportional to the product of area and the Cd. Halving the frontal area is just as good as halving the Cd. Ride Safe, Joe From ephoet at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 18:09:12 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:09:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> <8296f6de1002040847ta5e176eld878ee4187175920@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Chris wrote: > > > Without accurate, truthful information, why bother operating/doing > anything as a society at all? > > > Chris Jaccarino > _______________________________________________ I don't know, Chris. Most of the world seems to operate on "bad" data from their governments. Its just the way things are. Do you really think Russia or China or whatever is handing out "accurate" info? On the contrary, both hand out only gov't approved (and massaged) data. One is an economic basket case, save for the oil and gas money it gets. The other is up an coming, world leading, world beating economy with a rising GDP etc. Both survive in the midst of "less than truthful" data. Not disagreeing per se that good, accurate data is the ideal that all should aspire to. Those who manage to figure things out (or get lucky) in the midst of uncertainty seem to get along OK. Some even prosper. Society marches onward in spite of all these things. Erik H From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 4 18:23:35 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:23:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <1249480361.3679191265306868774.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1249480361.3679191265306868774.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B6B10A7.1030606@ptd.net> johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) wrote: > Wayne Woodruff wrote: > >>> http://247wallst.com/2010/02/04/us-recession-job-loss-may-have-been-undercounted-by-824000/ >>> >>> Another classic example of gets nothing correct or simple distorts the >>> data...your choice! >>> >>> > > > When you compare the amount of the error compared to the population of the US you are talking about a difference of less than 2 tenths of 1%. Statistically that is insignificant. Sounds like a lot, and if you are one of those people, it sure does count, but this will be the justification. > First off, the entire US population does not work, so why use that reference? The error relates to a specific period in time where a LOT of jobs have been lost DURING a period of time where there was supposed financial stimulation to save jobs/economy. Now suddenly the data reveals the job losses to be 12% more than what was being touted. It IS significant, given that they created less jobs than they said they did and they are now talking about even more stimulus (funny money printed out of thin air) to create more jobs. Do you people not realize what this means with respect to govt debt and to the fate of the US dollar? At 830 AM tomorrow the Labor Dept will release the "actual" (yeah, whatever) data. Who knows, Bloomberg could be way off and instead of losing 7.2 million jobs, maybe we only lost 6.8 million over the time period. Chris Jaccarino From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 4 18:22:18 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:22:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: So you feel "safe" now that airports will be using full body scanners Message-ID: The default droid mail app (it may be the default for the andriod os too) allows you to only quote at bottom, and you cannot edit the quoted text. I'll be looking for solutions, which will likely be a new mail app. From mrmevans at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 18:31:55 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:31:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> <8296f6de1002040847ta5e176eld878ee4187175920@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002041031m4511fce4l985c81e0004bdcb0@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Chris wrote: > > Example 1. ? ?If you are an "investor" (or possibly a trader) in the markets > and you believe the routine govt data and your market positions are based on > said data and then the data is proven wrong by a huge amount for whatever > reason and you take a 2-4% hit overnight on your positions....do you have > the right to be pissed off? > > I am not in the above position....but I have friends who were. > > Example 2....you are one who owns and operates a business and tries to base > business spending (including hiring employees) on govt data, and then the > data is proven BS. ?Should you be allowed to fire those new hires (at no > unemployment cost, word of mouth derogatory chatter, etc. to your business) > or get a refund on capital expenditures because the data was > falsified/wrong? > > The above certainly does not effect my case, but I know several companies > that it might. > > Without accurate, truthful information, why bother operating/doing anything > as a society at all? Now there is a textbook example of victim language. You said yourself you do not trust what government says. You therefore seem to hold yourself accountable for validating or disqualifying the information upon which you base your decisions. Good for you - seriously. Yet you sound as though you want to give a pass to those who don't want to do the same. Let's say the head of a MotoGP team is told that a new, more aerodynamic fairing shape will greatly improve lap times. He trusts the source without further research/validation and fits the new fairing to his rider's bike. It turns out to be a crock of shit and the new fairing actually slows the bike down resulting in a disappointing showing at the race. The team head who elected to use the unresearched fairing should be held accountable - No? This is a fun debate. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 4 19:02:18 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:02:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net><4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com><8296f6de1002040847ta5e176eld878ee4187175920@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8CC73E3B51711F9-3968-D8D@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> <> To which the monk would reply "What, this arrow is nothing?" Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From ephoet at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 19:35:22 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:35:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Any of you that are BMWMOA members.......or want to renew In-Reply-To: <8CC73021FE5C30E-F14-8669@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC728FF54DF0DF-990-57FB@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <8CC73021FE5C30E-F14-8669@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I spoke with the MOA office. Ain't none of you sneaky IT bastards gonna get a "free ticket". No how, no way, Jose! You may think the MOA interwebs let you order one. But you WILL be disappointed according to the office. And apparently you will be getting is a "friendly" email from them on that subject. But they'd be happy to send along a free ticket along with your membership registration ;-) or in exchange for nice intaglio picture of Alexander Hamilton. No free lunch, as I previously. Unless you go with Jack to the White Castle next month. Even then, you will pay. Erik Hoet West Chester From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 4 19:39:01 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:39:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002041031m4511fce4l985c81e0004bdcb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> <4B6AF13C.2030108@whatever2k.com> <8296f6de1002040847ta5e176eld878ee4187175920@mail.gmail.com> <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> <8296f6de1002041031m4511fce4l985c81e0004bdcb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6B2255.8050304@ptd.net> Michael Evans wrote: > You said yourself you do not trust what government says. You therefore > seem to hold yourself accountable for validating or disqualifying the > information upon which you base your decisions. Good for you - > seriously. Yet you sound as though you want to give a pass to those > who don't want to do the same. > I am not giving anyone a pass. People do what they want within their own environment from the information they determine which is important to them in that environment. I just happen to sometimes point out glaring errors (stories) when they surface so maybe someone would take an interest in the subject. Isnt that how threads work, even moto related ones? > Let's say the head of a MotoGP team is told that a new, more > aerodynamic fairing shape will greatly improve lap times. He trusts > the source without further research/validation and fits the new > fairing to his rider's bike. It turns out to be a crock of shit and > the new fairing actually slows the bike down resulting in a > disappointing showing at the race. The team head who elected to use > the unresearched fairing should be held accountable - No? > Yes. Assuming, like you say, the fairing is actually worse and there are no other issues/causes for the poor showing at that race. And assuming they are allowed to change fairing design. :) He should be fired, canned, let go immediately and replaced by myself at 1/2 the salary. > This is a fun debate. > The whole jist of the original post was that the govt is never trustworthy, imo. Anything that comes from govt in the form of data is ALWAYS biased or spun to be more positive, more beneficial, "less worse" ( i love that term) to the govt than it really is in reality. End of story, but the debate can continue. Chris From rsorens at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 22:05:43 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:05:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 19 complex and dangerous roads. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <089E208897514DD184DC29ECC8ECCDAE@Tekki> >...I don't think that even Earle could make time on some of them too. > >http://www.waze.com/blog/the-19-most-complex-and-dangerous-roads-in-the-wor ld/ Dunno, Brian, but it would sure be fun to try! From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 22:15:41 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:15:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > > I have been quite interested on how a Toyota gas pedal worked and > that was the root cause of their problem. ?This was made even more > confusing with Toyota putting out a graphic showing how they will use > a precision metal shim to fix the problem. The Toyota graphic is a nightmare of obfuscation > I found a couple of sites that show what the issue is with the gas > pedal. ?It is interesting that they may have a replacement part > sitting in junk yards that is form, fit and function replacement with > a different internal design. ?I know if I had a Toyota I would snag > one of these older pedals and keep on driving. > > These 4 links are all from the same site and show bits of the same > situation. ?They are somewhat poorly written, but they get the point > across and show some data. > > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/exclusive-ttac-takes-apart-both-toyota- > gas-pedals/ > > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyota-gas-pedal-fix-explained-with-exc > lusive-photos/ > > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyota-gas-pedal-fix-simulated-friction > -reduced-but-by-too-much/ > > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas- > pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/ These articles above all assume, without saying so, that the root cause is due to the friction teeth binding in the friction grooves, enough to defeat the return spring. Is there any evidence this ever happened anywhere? Not that I've heard. > > A video is in this one. > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/video-in-depth-look-at-toyotas-sticky > -accelerator/ This video above is just plain stupid. It assumes that the mechanical sticking is entirely due to the steel pivot pin binding in the oilite bushing, enough to overpower the return spring. The Toyota fix using a shim has nothing to do with this reliable pivot. > > Ride Safe, > Thanks Joe, these sites certainly do a lot to explain how the pedal works. But it's so frustrating that there is no repeatable evidence anywhere of a mechanically stuck pedal, other than the floor mat trapping it sometimes. In fact, no one is clearly stating that the 'runaway acceleration' is definitely caused by the pedal being stuck DOWN. If this were always the case, why wouldn't you kick the pedal back UP???? Most mens' shoes, with protruding sole, could easily do this. Yet no one even mentions it. Both CTS and Denso designs look good. Mechanical cables are apparently gone forever, so we should get over that. As for electronic or coding causes of failure, we should appreciate that many future recalls will be fixed by a download instead of giving your car to a mechanic for a couple of days. I am hoping this case is not closed before a repeatable cause of failure is found, short of squirting crazy glue into the pedal's pivot. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 4 21:57:35 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:57:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Watch Ballon Bass And Box Jam Video | Break.com Message-ID: <4B6B42CF.8080306@ptd.net> http://www.break.com/index/ballon-bass-and-box-jam.html (SFW) For the musically inclined...... Chris Jaccarino From bergman at panix.com Thu Feb 4 22:21:38 2010 From: bergman at panix.com (bergman at panix.com) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:21:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 19 complex and dangerous roads. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:05:43 EST." <089E208897514DD184DC29ECC8ECCDAE@Tekki> References: <089E208897514DD184DC29ECC8ECCDAE@Tekki> Message-ID: <7905.1265322098@mirchi> In the message dated: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:05:43 EST, The pithy ruminations from "Rick Sorensen" on were: => >...I don't think that even Earle could make time on some of them too. => > => >http://www.waze.com/blog/the-19-most-complex-and-dangerous-roads-in-the-wor => ld/ => => Dunno, Brian, but it would sure be fun to try! I _know_ that you can make good time on the first two roads on the list, and that it's huge fun. You'll never get me on some of the other roads, at least not on a bike. Mark "it's been too long since I was last on Stelvio" Bergman => => _______________________________________________ => Mac-pac-l mailing list => Mac-pac-l at jtan.com => http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l => From motoedde2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 22:29:02 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:29:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Joe Dille wrote: >> >> I have been quite interested on how a Toyota gas pedal worked and >> that was the root cause of their problem. ?This was made even more >> confusing with Toyota putting out a graphic showing how they will use >> a precision metal shim to fix the problem. > > The Toyota graphic is a nightmare of obfuscation > Toyota may not be PR savvy...BUT I trust they will be decent to the owners and sort this issue out. They have pride in their brand and their owners will be more forgiving as a result! Another interesting point is when you consider the reported # of failures and divide that by the total number of those models sold...I'm curious if the % is within the ballpark of the FD failures on the newer BMW's...or some of the failures on the newer Dodge RAM truck? Ah...I'm keeping my Merc and Tacoma...for as long as I can...I have no trust in those on-board computers and other gadgetry! -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From jack.riepe at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 22:29:27 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:29:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> Message-ID: Dear Gents: I have very mixed emotions about this debate. To me, the state of joblessness is significant on a number of levels: 1) It defines the environment in which I must find a job, or new clients, and dictates the likelihood of my success. As the jobless rate increases, consumer confidence generally drops. As consumer spending stalls or drops, advertising and public relations continues to be cut back or reduced, which in the event of a major recession/depression, could go on for five, seven or ten years, and may signal a career change for me. 2) My choice of a career change will have to focus on industries that are growing under these difficult circumstances. While not directly related to joblessness, stats on who is not working are gernerally ,inked in some way to those who are. 3) I am concerned that unbelievable amounts of money in the form of one half-assed stimulus package after another have been spent to save or create a relative handful of jobs, and I do not want the politicans responsible t remain in office 30 seconds longer than necessary. I don't give a shit what party they represent, I want them out. Mike is right that I will have to find a new job anyway... But the question remains, what direction to take. I used to work for a publishing company in the early '80s. Part of my job included taking stuff to the typesetters. These vampires were the biggest bastards I ever met. You paid their rate without dickering. You put up with their temperamental bullshit and smiled over it. When they insulted you, you smiled and joined in, making sure they missed none pf your character flaws. They had the equipment (which was super expensive) and the talent to construct each page as a series of photographic type strips, waxed down on cardboard. Eating their shit was part of the drill. And then Apple came out with the Macintosh ? which did simultaneous composing and typesetting. All these sons of bitches were out of work in six months. Layout mistakes increased. Some publications looked cheap with te advent of fuzzy type. But the world didn't end. Things change all the time. But sometimes it's a trend... And sometimes it's forever. It gets harder to roll with the punches when you don't know where they are coming from. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From rsorens at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 22:24:52 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:24:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8348711BB7AD4561A93D2EE7F43C3641@Tekki> >...Example 1. If you are an "investor" (or possibly a trader) in the >markets and you believe the routine govt data and your market positions are based on said data... Then you're not too bright. If this is the only thing you base your investments on, instead of watching the market, the industry you're investing in, then you need to check your greed at the door next time and do some thinking >Example 2....you are one who owns and operates a business and tries to base business spending >including hiring employees) on govt data... Again, if you actually listen to those clowns and BELIEVE them?! maybe it's time for you to get a different job and stop relying on others for your information and learn about your industry. Sorry, Chris, not talking about "you" just the general 'you;. Rick From stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net Thu Feb 4 22:46:49 2010 From: stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net (stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:46:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] 19 complex and dangerous roads. Message-ID: <12339879.230105.1265323609864.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> Feb 4, 2010 05:06:57 PM, rsorens at comcast.net wrote: >...I don't think that even Earle could make time on some of them too. > >http://www.waze.com/blog/the-19-most-complex-and-dangerous-roads-in-the-wor ld/ What?? I don't see the Roosevelt Bully-vard listed! Bill Zane R-1100RT, et.al. _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 00:16:02 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:16:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: <8348711BB7AD4561A93D2EE7F43C3641@Tekki> References: <4B6B092B.60502@ptd.net> <8348711BB7AD4561A93D2EE7F43C3641@Tekki> Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: > >...Example 1. If you are an "investor" (or possibly a trader) in the > > >markets and you believe the routine govt data and your market positions are > > based on said data... > > Then you're not too bright. If this is the only thing you base your > investments on, instead of watching the market, the industry you're > investing in, then you need to check your greed at the door next time and do > some thinking Any "model" needs some DATA. Government "data" is seen as "free" or at least buried cost or prepaid. So, using it in the model seems reasonable. > > >Example 2....you are one who owns and operates a business and tries to base > business spending > > >including hiring employees) on govt data... > > Again, if you actually listen to those clowns and BELIEVE them?! maybe it's > time for you to get a different job and stop relying on others for your > information and learn about your industry. I bet if you looked in other departments of your firm, you would find that they use government "data" somewhere in their modeling. GIGO. However, if true it is yet ANOTHER contributor to IMO growing distrust in "government" at some levels. In the long run that is NOT a good thing. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 00:19:35 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:19:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: US Recession Job Loss May Have Been Undercounted By 824, 000 In-Reply-To: References: <4B6ADEA5.1060106@ptd.net> <7fbead931002040730u3bb0f308q28b54cc13a5d7768@mail.gmail.com> <4B6AEFE5.7070505@ptd.net> Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > 2) My choice of a career change will have to focus on industries that > are growing under these difficult circumstances. While not directly > related to joblessness, stats on who is not working are gernerally > ,inked in some way to those who are. Right now my firm is up 19% on the year in revenue, and profit I think was up 7%. > or create a relative handful of jobs, and I do not want the politicans > responsible t remain in office 30 seconds longer than necessary. I > don't give a shit what party they represent, I want them out. Join the growing hordes. Heck they might need a PR guy. > Mike is right that I will have to find a new job anyway... But the > question remains, what direction to take. I am sure there is some gob of government "data" that would give a hint if you believe that it is "good data". > in six months. Layout mistakes increased. Some publications looked > cheap with te advent of fuzzy type. But the world didn't end. Things You make that sound like it is in the past tense. It still is on a HUGE basis. The masses don't know how they are being influenced by the "little things" that create big impressions. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 00:29:56 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:29:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Joe Dille > > These articles above all assume, without saying so, that the root > cause is due to the friction teeth binding in the friction grooves, > enough to defeat the return spring. Is there any evidence this ever > happened anywhere? Not that I've heard. When you have the public and even more so the news media breathing down your neck you have to come up with SOMETHING. Too much friction is as good as anything for a hypothesis. Or maybe they did find something one time. > This video above is just plain stupid. It assumes that the mechanical > sticking is entirely due to the steel pivot pin binding in the oilite > bushing, enough to overpower the return spring. The Toyota fix using > a shim has nothing to do with this reliable pivot. No, it is not about the pivot pin. One of the articles is all over the pivot pin. However the video is about the "teeth" bearing on each other too hard. > Thanks Joe, these sites certainly do a lot to explain how the pedal > works. But it's so frustrating that there is no repeatable evidence > anywhere of a mechanically stuck pedal, other than the floor mat > trapping it sometimes. It is hypothesis. > In fact, no one is clearly stating that the 'runaway acceleration' is > definitely caused by the pedal being stuck DOWN. If this were always > the case, why wouldn't you kick the pedal back UP???? Most mens' > shoes, with protruding sole, could easily do this. Yet no one even > mentions it. You over estimate how much the general populace understands how their vehicles work. Or what to do in off normal operation. As they note now, "PUT IT IN NEUTRAL"!!! When I first heard this I thought the engine would over rev and blow up. Then I thought some more. All FI cars today have over rev protection. It will just bang off the rev limiter. I think the one in CA where the guy went down the uncompleted road at 100mph+ crashed and burned was a cop. I guess they don't get training in mechanical and "how stuff works" either. It sounds like you, me and Joe can figure out a few ways to address the issue. Now the general populace... We are WAY out numbered. > Both CTS and Denso designs look good. Mechanical cables are > apparently gone forever, so we should get over that. As for > electronic or coding causes of failure, we should appreciate that many > future recalls will be fixed by a download instead of giving your car > to a mechanic for a couple of days. Maybe. I am wondering if there are no provisions for a firmware update? That could be part of the Government MANDATED "The damn owners can't dick with any emissions stuff on the car and increase it" regs. If you are replacing the brains to fixt the firmware that is UGLY. > I am hoping this case is not closed before a repeatable cause of > failure is found, short of squirting crazy glue into the pedal's > pivot. Right now with the hysteria they are in a no win situation. People are clamoring for an answer RIGHT NOW, with a REAL SMALL DATA set, and the vehicles after the event are not in a condition suitable for good futher analysis. No DATA, no GOOD answers for subtle problems. And people don't want to hear that it is a 1 in 10,000 chance. Like Mike, it is no big thing until it is your car and you are so dumb that you have "NO IDEA WHAT TO DO, I AM GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 01:40:51 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:40:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Labrador & Newfoundland or Bust! - 1st Call Message-ID: PAC, For those of you who have expressed interest in an "Adventure" trip to the great white north sometime this summer I would like you to join me at an informal discussional gathering at my house. This gathering would be to simply exchange ideas, discuss trip route, lodging, and dates. Initial thoughts were to do a loop through the provinces of Quebec, Labrador, NewFoundland, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick. Right now I'm tentatively looking at 2/13 or 2/20 to hold this gathering. If you're interested please let me know so I can plan accordingly. Thank You! Jim Robinson West Chester PA 1995 BMW R1100GS Adventure "Little Enos" 1996 BMW K1100RS "The Red Baron" 2002 Ducati ST4S "Corbin Special" 2004 BMW R1150GS Adventure "Big Enos" From gary5410 at aol.com Fri Feb 5 02:48:45 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:48:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Labrador & Newfoundland or Bust! - 1st Call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC7424DEE12655-30EC-7B30@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> I would be interest in joining the gathering........but, I will be in New Orleans 2/5 - 2/12 Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure -----Original Message----- From: Jim Robinson For those of you who have expressed interest in an "Adventure" trip to the great white north sometime this summer I would like you to join me at an informal discussional gathering at my house. Jim Robinson From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 5 03:10:10 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:10:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > > > > I have been quite interested on how a Toyota gas pedal worked and > > that was the root cause of their problem. ?This was made even more > > confusing with Toyota putting out a graphic showing how they will use > > a precision metal shim to fix the problem. > > The Toyota graphic is a nightmare of obfuscation > I agree. Snip or else... > > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas- > > pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/ > > These articles above all assume, without saying so, that the root > cause is due to the friction teeth binding in the friction grooves, > enough to defeat the return spring. Is there any evidence this ever > happened anywhere? Not that I've heard. > > Not that I have heard. > > A video is in this one. > > http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/29/video-in-depth-look-at-toyotas-sticky > > -accelerator/ > > This video above is just plain stupid. It assumes that the mechanical > sticking is entirely due to the steel pivot pin binding in the oilite > bushing, enough to overpower the return spring. The Toyota fix using > a shim has nothing to do with this reliable pivot. > > I agree. I can see it have something to do with the friction teeth. Plastic can get funny when it gets wet. I could see them getting a bit soft and mushy and binding. It is a bit of a long shot. This failure would not happen all at once. It would get worse and worse over time. It would be a constant nagging problem. I am thinking that if it did stick then it would come undone with a quick tap. I can imagine another failure mechanism where the teeth wear into each other making the groves wider and the teeth narrower. Of course, this would happen mostly in the first 1/4 throttle where the throttle spends most of its time. Now the owner punches it and the worn parts are introduced to the un-worn parts. The parts could potentially wedge together. This would not come undone with a tap. > Thanks Joe, these sites certainly do a lot to explain how the pedal > works. But it's so frustrating that there is no repeatable evidence > anywhere of a mechanically stuck pedal, other than the floor mat > trapping it sometimes. Yep. This has happened to lots of people. Not all of them died. Of those who lived some of them must have been smart enough to give an account of what happened. I have not heard from any of these people. > > In fact, no one is clearly stating that the 'runaway acceleration' is > definitely caused by the pedal being stuck DOWN. If this were always > the case, why wouldn't you kick the pedal back UP???? Most mens' > shoes, with protruding sole, could easily do this. Yet no one even > mentions it. > 35 years ago they told us how to do this in driver's ed. > Both CTS and Denso designs look good. Mechanical cables are > apparently gone forever, so we should get over that. As for > electronic or coding causes of failure, we should appreciate that many > future recalls will be fixed by a download instead of giving your car > to a mechanic for a couple of days. > I look at how our product can hiccup and burp with a software bug in the control circuit. The gas pedal can have the same problem. I am thinking it could be a software or electronic issue. This whole thing has my interest. If I had the time I would go to the junkyard and pull out some pedals to see it for myself. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 5 03:15:56 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:15:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Learn to Wheelieand kneedragin' Message-ID: <8CC7428AAA24F91-34D0-20D8@webmail-d074.sysops.aol.com> http://www.ringburn.net/yutughhh/ click in the Play Game box. (Might be NSFW, for audio) To learn kneedragen: http://louisville.craigslist.org/mcy/1573984051.html Pony up your ten bucks, boyos! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:44:59 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:44:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> Message-ID: <4a4431121002041944i16f23ca8webedb7530b380b1@mail.gmail.com> > I look at how our product can hiccup and burp with a software bug in > the control circuit. ?The gas pedal can have the same problem. ?I am > thinking it could be a software or electronic issue. > > This whole thing has my interest. ?If I had the time I would go to > the junkyard and pull out some pedals to see it for myself. > > Ride Safe, > > Joe You know, there is only one solution to this sticking gas pedal problem. Letting the pedal pivot above the heel, as boat racing pedals have since Guy Lombardo raced unlimited hydroplanes (a long time). To slow down, press on the heel of the pedal. Motorcycles are required by law to have throttles that close by force, not by spring pressure. Why don't cars have the same requirement?? Dano From mrmevans at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:47:12 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:47:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 125 rare pics of famous people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8296f6de1002041947y74ef4bb1yb90f72532f8e88d8@mail.gmail.com> But where are the really rare photos, like the one of Norman Rockwell beating a child, or the one of Houdini locking his keys in his car? -Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA On 2/3/10, Brian Curry wrote: > There is moto content in here. > > http://www.cracktwo.com/2010/01/rare-photos-of-famous-people-125-pics.html > (WS, except for one shot of a stripper. Keep moving, don't linger) > > Interesting pics. Some real old. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ambassador BMW MOA | > Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? > "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped > K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at > Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Sent from my mobile device Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:50:37 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:50:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> Message-ID: On 2/4/10, Joe Dille wrote: > I can imagine another failure mechanism where the teeth wear into > each other making the groves wider and the teeth narrower. Of > course, this would happen mostly in the first 1/4 throttle where the > throttle spends most of its time. Now the owner punches it and the > worn parts are introduced to the un-worn parts. The parts could > potentially wedge together. This would not come undone with a tap. Why would "narrower" than original teeth wedge when they move into an area where the wedge is the original "unworn wider" area, when it was OK in the first place? Think about throttle grip gears. Same things as this, with the teeth closer to the "closed throttle" area than the WFO area being or ending up more worn. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From mrmevans at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 04:01:42 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:01:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day Message-ID: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> The word for the day boys and girls: "Snowpocalypse" - Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA -- Sent from my mobile device Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 5 04:04:34 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:04:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002041944i16f23ca8webedb7530b380b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6B5282.21463.75586C@localhost> > > You know, there is only one solution to this sticking gas pedal problem. > > Letting the pedal pivot above the heel, as boat racing pedals have > since Guy Lombardo raced unlimited hydroplanes (a long time). > > To slow down, press on the heel of the pedal. Sprint cars have a little cage that your foot goes into. Just lift up your foot. This would not work on the street as it would scratch your shoes. > > Motorcycles are required by law to have throttles that close by force, > not by spring pressure. > When did this become a law? 2-valve K-bikes don't have it. > Why don't cars have the same requirement?? > Until now they have been fairly safe. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 5 04:09:39 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:09:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 125 rare pics of famous people In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002041947y74ef4bb1yb90f72532f8e88d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3754ED7D4F481E83FB870EACB8636B@Tekki> >But where are the really rare photos, like the one of Norman Rockwell beating a child, or the one of Houdini locking his keys in his car? I am REALLY proud of the depths of depravity of this group! THAT ONE had me laughing out loud, Mike, thanks! No, REALLY, thanks! > http://www.cracktwo.com/2010/01/rare-photos-of-famous-people-125-pics. Rick From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 5 04:13:24 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:13:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6B5494.11698.7D6FCC@localhost> > Why would "narrower" than original teeth wedge when they move into an > area where the wedge is the original "unworn wider" area, when it was > OK in the first place? > > Think about throttle grip gears. Same things as this, with the teeth > closer to the "closed throttle" area than the WFO area being or ending > up more worn. > > Gears are different. The axis of rotation keeps the engagement constant. The toyota friction mechanism is different. The geometry (as I understand it) presses the teeth together and as they wear the engagement increases. This could cause a wedging action if an unworn spot went into the worn section. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 5 04:24:32 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:24:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 Message-ID: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> Today the odometer rolled up to 9999.9 miles for the second time. I just hit 20k miles on my bicycle! I was hoping to his this last year, but a couple of business trips held me back. I just wanted to share my excitement for this milestone. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From mrmevans at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 04:31:47 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:31:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 In-Reply-To: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> References: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002042031m1b663059p1ee39afabc5de841@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > Today the odometer rolled up to 9999.9 miles for the second time. ?I > just hit 20k miles on my bicycle! ?I was hoping to his this last > year, but a couple of business trips held me back. ?I just wanted to > share my excitement for this milestone. > Congratulations Joe! I'm hoping you didn;t try to get that same kind of mileage out of your shammy-shorts. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From rcavalie at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 05:55:26 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:55:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 In-Reply-To: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> References: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> Message-ID: <002401caa627$d0dc8a10$72959e30$@net> GO JOE! HERE'S TO A THIRD 9999.9! Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Joe Dille Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:25 PM To: mac-Pac Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 Today the odometer rolled up to 9999.9 miles for the second time. I just hit 20k miles on my bicycle! I was hoping to his this last year, but a couple of business trips held me back. I just wanted to share my excitement for this milestone. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 06:50:20 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 01:50:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Chris commit this to memory. Message-ID: There will be a test: "We're from the Government. We're here to tell you that no matter what you see with your own eyes, comprehend with you own mind, understand with your own logic, the system *does* work. And we'll keep repeating this until all of you understand that the system does in fact, work." -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 07:01:18 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 02:01:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow Message-ID: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/rainbow.jpg (Both WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 07:05:11 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 02:05:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Restaurant services are different up in Toronto... Message-ID: http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/restaurants/article/759714--restaurant-promotes-sex-in-its-bathrooms (WS) I do hope they have someone on a frequent sanitary patrol.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 07:13:07 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 02:13:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I wonder if this is Jack's Vision of his future? Message-ID: http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/2/633768573230087435-vision.jpg -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 09:07:03 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 04:07:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 In-Reply-To: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> References: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> Message-ID: Dear Joe: Congratulations! I have a digital scale in the bathroom reading the same numbers. (I was rushing to beat Mike Evans in making this remark and chose to fall on my sword rather than be thrown on it.) -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 5 11:14:52 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:14:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >The word for the day boys and girls: > >"Snowpocalypse" > I just heard THE most ridiculous thing ... Camden schools are closing at 1PM to get the kids home safely. Last I heard snow was not supposed to start until much later in the afternoon. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 5 11:16:14 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:16:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 In-Reply-To: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> References: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> Message-ID: <2fvnm59bvtvvttkq19n1hdhfgsijp3pv2g@4ax.com> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:24:32 -0500, you wrote: >Today the odometer rolled up to 9999.9 miles for the second time. I >just hit 20k miles on my bicycle! I was hoping to his this last >year, but a couple of business trips held me back. I just wanted to >share my excitement for this milestone. > A hearty, healthy congtarulations! Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 5 11:17:18 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:17:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0hvnm51hk8smjals5b6hilodpim71f4iek@4ax.com> >http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo 400 - Bad Request Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 5 11:23:30 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:23:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Restaurant services are different up in Toronto... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/restaurants/article/759714--restaurant-promotes-sex-in-its-bathrooms >(WS) > I hope this is not a suggestion for a monthly dinner gathering. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 12:10:35 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:10:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B68B066.22563.B7CD3A5@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6C0ABB.1010400@argolis.org> Doug Raymond wrote: > Both CTS and Denso designs look good. Mechanical cables are > apparently gone forever, so we should get over that. As for > electronic or coding causes of failure, we should appreciate that many > future recalls will be fixed by a download instead of giving your car > to a mechanic for a couple of days. Which is kinda fine, really. The cable-actuated accelerator on Dodge Neon jammed wide open on me one day. After trying to pull the pedal forward with my toe to no effect (the pedal would move, but the cable or throttle didn't move with it), I turned the car off and pulled over. My Dad's 68 Nova has a steel band around the pedal so you could pull the pedal back up too. I don't know if it ever jammed on him but it was enough of a worry that he put it on (he was drag racing the car, it may have been required safety equipment for all I know). My point is this isn't a new mode of failure, just new technology. Luckily, the solution is the same in all cases: - Try to unjam the pedal - Put the car in Neutral (and let the engine bang off the rev limiter[0]) - Brake - Turn car off when stopped (push button may need to be held like an ATX power supply) You can reverse the last two as long as you're confident that you can manage the non-power brakes and steering. [0] Older cars have no rev limiter, that could get ugly if you don't turn the car off immediately. Luckily, those cars probably do not have power brakes and steering, so there's no disadvantage there. From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 12:22:53 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:22:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6C0D9D.7060100@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/rainbow.jpg > (Both WS) That'd be more impressive if there wasn't a 'The Beer Store' every hundred yards in Canada. :) (Steve M, can you back me up on this one?) When I was a kid we'd travel into Canada for various trips (and lunch), and it seemed like we'd pass dozens of these, always with a station wagon or van in the parking lot loading case upon case of beer into the back. From darkside at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 5 12:26:51 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:26:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Chris commit this to memory. Message-ID: <22400717.1265372811603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> HEY Kool Aid!!! paz y salitas eric -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Curry >Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Chris commit this to memory. > >There will be a test: > >"We're from the Government. We're here to tell you that no matter what >you see with your own eyes, comprehend with you own mind, understand >with your own logic, the system *does* work. And we'll keep repeating >this until all of you understand that the system does in fact, work." > From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 12:27:56 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:27:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <4B6C0D9D.7060100@argolis.org> References: <4B6C0D9D.7060100@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B6C0ECC.4030405@argolis.org> Matt Piechota wrote: > Brian Curry wrote: >> http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/rainbow.jpg >> (Both WS) > > That'd be more impressive if there wasn't a 'The Beer Store' every > hundred yards in Canada. :) (Steve M, can you back me up on this one?) My bad, that should be 'every 91.44 metres' (see, I even spelled it right!). From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Fri Feb 5 12:45:49 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Chris commit this to memory. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <577173230.27291265373949434.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> -- >"We're from the Government. We're here to tell you that no matter what >you see with your own eyes, comprehend with you own mind, understand >with your own logic, the system *does* work. And we'll keep repeating >this until all of you understand that the system does in fact, work." Hmm, kinda sounds like the Rush song 2112 "We've taken care of everything The words you hear, the songs you sing The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes It's one for all and all for one We work together, common sons Never need to wonder how or why We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx Our great computers fill the hallowed halls We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx All the gifts of life are held within our walls Look around at this world we've made Equality our stock in trade Come and join the Brotherhood of Man Oh, what a nice, contented world Let the banners be unfurled Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand" John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From kgbruce at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 12:47:07 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:47:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 In-Reply-To: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> Message-ID: <0KXD00EQ2CUT2WD8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Today the odometer rolled up to 9999.9 miles for the second time. I just hit 20k miles on my bicycle! I was hoping to his this last year, but a couple of business trips held me back. I just wanted to share my excitement for this milestone. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Congratulations Joe! You're an animal!! Ken Bruce From rdlebout at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:47:58 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:47:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC please identify this model Message-ID: <3f2b32881002050447k55f89948t9857e8c056be392a@mail.gmail.com> What is on the rear fender? The earthtone colors look great on this bike. I recentyl saw a picture of a green bike with a brown leather seat. Fantastic look but I can't find the picture again. http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Greece/photo1174965.htm -- Bobby LeBoutillier From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 13:00:22 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:00:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC please identify this model In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002050447k55f89948t9857e8c056be392a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002050447k55f89948t9857e8c056be392a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6C1666.1080608@argolis.org> Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > What is on the rear fender? > > The earthtone colors look great on this bike. > > I recentyl saw a picture of a green bike with a brown leather seat. > Fantastic look but I can't find the picture again. > > http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Greece/photo1174965.htm > Passenger seat. Saddle-type with a ring at the front to hold on to. From rdlebout at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:09:52 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:09:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC lucky guy Message-ID: <3f2b32881002050509q14122be0t4da93546e8eb35e7@mail.gmail.com> I wish him a long life. "Because of his age and insufficient NCD, Barden was worried about high insurance premium," What is NCD? http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/February/feb0510-MCN-Show-Dreams-do-come-true/?R=EPI-121980 -- Bobby LeBoutillier From mrmevans at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:22:14 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:22:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > > I just heard THE most ridiculous thing ... > > Camden schools are closing at 1PM to get the kids home safely. ?Last I > heard snow was not supposed to start until much later in the > afternoon. > Well I live in the most ridiculous school district ever. My kids also have early dismissal today due to the forecast snow. On this past Wednesday they cancelled a scheduled half day (Teacher in-service day crap) due to the forecast snow that day. They stated they were afraid they would have to send the kids home even earlier that day making it a completely worthless day. One day last year thy notified us the night before that school was cancelled due to snow - the forecast never came to fruition - we never got a flake, but school was closed. It is the nation of wussies and the litigious climate that combine to make this perfect storm of absurdity. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From mrmevans at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:27:05 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:27:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Chris commit this to memory. In-Reply-To: <22400717.1265372811603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22400717.1265372811603.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002050527x541775eue59c3b9d34957b05@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Darkside wrote: > > HEY Kool Aid!!! > > paz y salitas > eric For the record, it was Flavor-Ade...the Kool-Aid PR folks never did handle that well. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From bergman at panix.com Fri Feb 5 13:27:47 2010 From: bergman at panix.com (bergman at panix.com) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:27:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] What is NCD (Was: Re: MC lucky guy) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:09:52 EST." <3f2b32881002050509q14122be0t4da93546e8eb35e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002050509q14122be0t4da93546e8eb35e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16111.1265376467@mirchi> In the message dated: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:09:52 EST, The pithy ruminations from Roberts LeBoutillier on <[MAC-PAC] MC lucky guy> were: => I wish him a long life. => => "Because of his age and insufficient NCD, Barden was worried about => high insurance premium," => What is NCD? It's a fnrm nf nbsessive Cnmpulsive Disnrder [1][2] that causes patients tn subtitute the letter "N" for the letter "N". Nr it means that he's had accidents. [3] Remember, Gnngle is ynur friend. Mark [1] http://en.wikipedia.nrg/wiki/Nbsessive%E2%80%93cnmpulsive_disnrder [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder [3] http://www.yesinsurance.co.uk/car-insurance/questions-no-claims-discounts.html => => => http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/February/feb0510-MCN-Show-D => reams-do-come-true/?R=EPI-121980 => => -- => Bobby LeBoutillier => _______________________________________________ => Mac-pac-l mailing list => Mac-pac-l at jtan.com => http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l => From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:36:07 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:36:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC lucky guy In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002050509q14122be0t4da93546e8eb35e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002050509q14122be0t4da93546e8eb35e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > I wish him a long life. > > "Because of his age and insufficient NCD, Barden was worried about > high insurance premium," > What is NCD? > > > http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/February/feb0510-MCN-Show-Dreams-do-come-true/?R=EPI-121980 > > -- > Bobby LeBoutillier > _______________________________________________ No-Claim-Discount (NCD) A reward scheme for the policyholder if no claim was made against the policy during the preceding 12 months of policy. Different NCD rates are applicable for different classes of vehicles. For a private car, the scale of NCD ranges from 25% to 55% as provided in the policy. Its a British thing. Remember you're reading a British MC e-zine. http://www.insuranceinfo.com.my/help_and_advice/glossary.php?intPrefLangID=1&intGlossaryCategoryID=&strTerm=N Or maybe itsa thinly veiled reference to National Cleavage Day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cleavage_Day EPH West Chester From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 5 13:37:46 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:37:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Chris commit this to memory. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6C1F2A.7060309@ptd.net> Brian Curry wrote: > There will be a test: > > "We're from the Government. We're here to tell you that no matter what > you see with your own eyes, comprehend with you own mind, understand > with your own logic, the system *does* work. And we'll keep repeating > this until all of you understand that the system does in fact, work." > > Can I use that as a signature? If only I did signatures. 8.4 millions jobs were lost over the period in question we were talking about yesterday. Yesterday, they were thinking the revision would take us up another 864,000 jobs lost. The reality (if the numbers are even correct) says 1,200,000 additional jobs were lost during the period. From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 5 13:42:39 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:42:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6C204F.1000504@ptd.net> Michael Evans wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > >> I just heard THE most ridiculous thing ... >> >> Camden schools are closing at 1PM to get the kids home safely. Last I >> heard snow was not supposed to start until much later in the >> afternoon. >> >> > > > It is the nation of wussies and the litigious climate that combine to > make this perfect storm of absurdity. > > > They are just trying to stimulate the regional economy by hyping the storm...its gets people into the stores to purchase goods now....rather than later. LOL Chris Jaccarino From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:44:25 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:44:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002050544k34edb6a3t93a6a8383331426@mail.gmail.com> > It is the nation of wussies and the litigious climate that combine to > make this perfect storm of absurdity. > Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA Here in North (By God) Carolina schools have been closed all week. Dano From jasiii at earthlink.net Fri Feb 5 13:46:27 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:46:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 Message-ID: <17077939.1265377587200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Today the odometer rolled up to 9999.9 miles for the second time. I >just hit 20k miles on my bicycle! I was hoping to his this last >year, but a couple of business trips held me back. I just wanted to >share my excitement for this milestone. > >Joe >--------------------------------- >Joe Dille > Well Done !! May you get three turn-overs this year.. I would like to do that on my BMW :-> I bet your LDL/HDL numbers are real low.. You and Doug both set examples of living long and living well Congratulations Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 14:11:18 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:11:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6C2706.6040804@argolis.org> Michael Evans wrote: > The word for the day boys and girls: > > "Snowpocalypse" And here I thought it was "Hyperbolic". From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 5 14:15:48 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:15:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B6B5282.21463.75586C@localhost> References: <4B6B45C2.18637.438BF9@localhost> <4B6B5282.21463.75586C@localhost> Message-ID: <8CC7484D994AB10-5FCC-169A3@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> <<> Motorcycles are required by law to have throttles that close by force, > not by spring pressure.>> 1975, same time left shift/right brake becamse US law for motorcycles. <> Sure they do. There were two recalls on the '85 K100 for the problem that made them NOT do it. One was to add a ground wire to the left handle unit so that the throttle cable did not act as ground for the turnsignal switch, and then another to replace the throttle cable for chafing at the throttle body rail. Maybe your BMW dealer failed to perform or notify you of these recalls? Who was your dealer? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 5 14:46:37 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:46:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Chris commit this to memory. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC748927973C17-9D30-D8D3@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> <> When was in college in 1971, some wit has written on the wall of my dorm , just outside the door of my room "1984 is only 16 years away. Somebody else had crossed out the 16 and written "15" below that, and so forth, until the day I moved out in 1972 I crossed out the 13 and wrote "12." Now it's done come and passed, 26 years ago. Most of Orwell's futuristic government double-speak predictions were right on the money. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 5 14:50:11 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:50:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC please identify this model In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002050447k55f89948t9857e8c056be392a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002050447k55f89948t9857e8c056be392a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC7489A7209D2B-9D30-D9DE@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> At first glance, R51/3. Nice paint job. Very dignified. <> Grab handle. The earthtone colors look great on this bike. I recentyl saw a picture of a green bike with a brown leather seat. Fantastic look but I can't find the picture again. http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Greece/photo1174965.htm Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: Roberts LeBoutillier To: MAC-PAC List Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 7:47 am Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC please identify this model What is on the rear fender? The earthtone colors look great on this bike. I recentyl saw a picture of a green bike with a brown leather seat. Fantastic look but I can't find the picture again. http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Greece/photo1174965.htm -- Bobby LeBoutillier _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From jack.riepe at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 14:54:55 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:54:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <4B6C0ECC.4030405@argolis.org> References: <4B6C0D9D.7060100@argolis.org> <4B6C0ECC.4030405@argolis.org> Message-ID: Dear Matt: An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. No charge. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From jack.riepe at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 14:59:51 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:59:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Sir: Congress closed YESTERDAY because of the snow. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 15:05:27 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:05:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C0D9D.7060100@argolis.org> <4B6C0ECC.4030405@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Matt: > > An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. > No charge. I generally use Google. For those that don't know, you can type '100 yards in meters' into google and it will give you an answer. Sometimes it's a little obtuse and you have to play with the terminology to get it to recognize what you're talking about. From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Fri Feb 5 15:14:18 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1306608702.99021265382858965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > Camden schools are closing at 1PM to get the kids home safely. Last I > heard snow was not supposed to start until much later in the > afternoon. Schools are forced to err on the side of caution when it comes to weather. They have High School students that drive to school (which is just stupid on bad weather days), so we have to get these inexperienced drivers off the road as soon as possible. The older kids have to get home in time to take care of the little ones.That is the theory anyway. The same parents that scream and moan about the inconvenience of students being sent home early, are the same that would sue the school blind if something happen to their precious child due to bad weather. When parents complain it is almost never about lost academic time, but about the hassles of child care. Schools are put in a true no win situation. So far all of the weather this year has been on weekends, I am looking forward to 3 three day weekends and 1, 4 day weekend come May. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Fri Feb 5 15:16:24 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> Message-ID: <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > > An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. > No charge. I have a converter app on my widget desktop on my Mac. Oh yeah, Vista doesn't have that. Just one more way that Macs are superior. (Runs and ducks for cover) John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From rcavalie at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 15:18:58 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:18:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC lucky guy In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002050509q14122be0t4da93546e8eb35e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002050509q14122be0t4da93546e8eb35e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01caa676$8a8675e0$9f9361a0$@net> NCD stands for "New College Diner" of course! That's the diner on the main drag in State College, PA where one can purchase 'warm stickies' - grilled sticky buns which, when eaten at 3:00 AM while under the influence of your favorite mind altering substance, open the doors of perception. Happy Valley indeed! Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Roberts LeBoutillier Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:10 AM To: MAC-PAC List Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC lucky guy I wish him a long life. "Because of his age and insufficient NCD, Barden was worried about high insurance premium," What is NCD? snippage From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 5 15:34:03 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:34:03 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.ma il.comcast.net> References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <27026.12.181.211.35.1265384043.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > >> >> An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. >> No charge. > > > I have a converter app on my widget desktop on my Mac. Oh yeah, Vista > doesn't have that. Just one more way that Macs are superior. > This little program has served me well for years: http://joshmadison.com/software/convert-for-windows/ Ride Safe, Joe From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 15:35:15 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:35:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall Message-ID: With all the Toyota noise...not sure if any of you guys are affected by this...since it was kinda buried. http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 5 15:57:16 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:57:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall References: Message-ID: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> Hello Edde, From: "edde m" > With all the Toyota noise...not sure if any of you guys are affected > by this...since it was kinda buried. > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:01:59 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:01:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <27026.12.181.211.35.1265384043.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <27026.12.181.211.35.1265384043.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Joe Dille wrote: >> >>> >>> An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. >>> No charge. >> >> >> I have a converter app on my widget desktop on my Mac. Oh yeah, Vista >> doesn't have that. Just one more way that Macs are superior. >> > > This little program has served me well for years: > http://joshmadison.com/software/convert-for-windows/ > > Ride Safe, > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ I have used the same program, have a shortcut on my desktop. Been out and available forever. Developed back in Win 95 days, its that old. Don't need no stinkin' Vista. (though it will run on that or Win 7) Maybe its hard to find using a Mac. John, you need to get out on the interwebs more often! Then again, its not designed to run on a Mac....... http://joshmadison.com/software/download-convert-for-windows/ EPH From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:04:35 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:04:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello Edde, > > From: "edde m" > >> With all the Toyota noise...not sure if any of you guys are affected >> by this...since it was kinda buried. >> > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent > > Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/ Apologies...try this one...Tiny URL is banned by our Net Nanny. -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:05:22 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:05:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello Edde, > > From: "edde m" > > > > With all the Toyota noise...not sure if any of you guys are affected > > by this...since it was kinda buried. > > > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent > > > Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. I don't think so. It is something else. The URL is bad period. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:06:32 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:06:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello Edde, > > From: "edde m" > >> With all the Toyota noise...not sure if any of you guys are affected >> by this...since it was kinda buried. >> > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent > > Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. > They apparently archived it already, being almost a 3 week old story Same info here: http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/18/autos/chrysler_recall/ EPH From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:07:49 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:07:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, edde m wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Steve Makohin wrote: > > Hello Edde, > > > > From: "edde m" > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/ > > Apologies...try this one...Tiny URL is banned by our Net Nanny. Still not good, too old, note the daysa ago versus the day limit.: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - Added 15d 19h ago EmailE-mail PrintablePrint Comments(3) Comments LargerSmallerText size Bookmark and Share Share It?s unknown how much it will cost Chrysler Group LLC -- figuratively and literally -- but the automaker is recalling 24,177 Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicles to repair a defective part that could cause brake failure. The recall applies to 2010 model-year Chrysler Sebring; Dodge Avenger and Nitro; Jeep Liberty, Commander and Grand Cherokee SUVs; as well as all 2009-2010 model year Dodge Ram trucks, including the heavy duty. The article you requested has been archived All coverage within BostonHerald.com from the last 7 days remains free of charge. Articles do not always include original photos, charts or graphics. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:10:24 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:10:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <27026.12.181.211.35.1265384043.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <27026.12.181.211.35.1265384043.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Joe Dille wrote: >> >>> >>> An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. >>> No charge. >> >> >> I have a converter app on my widget desktop on my Mac. Oh yeah, Vista >> doesn't have that. Just one more way that Macs are superior. >> > > This little program has served me well for years: > http://joshmadison.com/software/convert-for-windows/ > Joe, I've also used this handy little program for years. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:12:33 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:12:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: > > They apparently archived it already, being almost a 3 week old story > Same info here: > http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/18/autos/chrysler_recall/ http://www.dodgeproblems.com/recalls/Ram/ I'd like to see what this chart looks like by Manufacturer...and then drill down by model...that would be interesting! -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:15:39 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:15:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) wrote: > >> >> An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. >> No charge. > > > I have a converter app on my widget desktop on my Mac. Oh yeah, Vista doesn't have that. Just one more way that Macs are superior. Some say that's bloatware on your machine designed to make you think the premium you're paying Apple is worth it;) You can type into Google "16cm in inches" and it will convert it for you...or other similar conversions... -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:24:11 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:24:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Sir: > > Congress closed YESTERDAY because of the snow. Its a start!!!!!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:31:03 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:31:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Brian Curry wrote: > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo > http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/rainbow.jpg > (Both WS) http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tZYNsAYBb55yI7WkD1T6dg?feat=directlink Should work better. Rich may like it a good bit. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 5 16:34:11 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:34:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> Message-ID: <434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> Hello all, From: "edde m" > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Steve Makohin > wrote: >> Hello Edde, >> >> From: "edde m" >> >>> With all the Toyota noise...not sure if any of you guys are affected >>> by this...since it was kinda buried. >>> >> http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent >> >> Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. > > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/ > > Apologies...try this one...Tiny URL is banned by our Net Nanny. Or http://tinyurl.com/yhgbthe -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:39:07 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:39:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM, edde m wrote: > > You can type into Google "16cm in inches" and it will convert it for > you...or other similar conversions... > > _______________________________________________ I tried "117 hp in kw" via google All I got was links to Wikipedia etc. No direct conversion was done. The 6th item listed brought you to a conversion website, which correctly does the conversion for you, if you typed in 117 again. Why not just open a converter program and skip all the intermediate searching and then scanning the list for the right link? EPH From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:43:33 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:43:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Watch Ballon Bass And Box Jam Video | Break.com In-Reply-To: <4B6B42CF.8080306@ptd.net> References: <4B6B42CF.8080306@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Chris wrote: > http://www.break.com/index/ballon-bass-and-box-jam.html > (SFW) > > For the musically inclined...... > > > Chris Jaccarino > _______________________________________________ Humorous. I like it. But most noted musicians I'm familiar with use more than just 6. Notes that is. EPH From oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:46:19 2010 From: oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com (oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:46:19 +0000 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Watch Ballon Bass And Box Jam Video | Break.com Message-ID: <1588352202-1265388375-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1809168651-@bda384.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> "Less is more" - Miles Davis...... Kenn Brown ------Original Message------ From: Erik Hoet Sender: mac-pac-l-bounces+oldmainlinehomes=gmail.com at jtan.com To: Chris Cc: mac-Pac Sent: Feb 5, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Watch Ballon Bass And Box Jam Video | Break.com On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Chris wrote: > http://www.break.com/index/ballon-bass-and-box-jam.html > (SFW) > > For the musically inclined...... > > > Chris Jaccarino > _______________________________________________ Humorous. I like it. But most noted musicians I'm familiar with use more than just 6. Notes that is. EPH _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:52:09 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:52:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM, edde m wrote: > >> >> You can type into Google "16cm in inches" and it will convert it for >> you...or other similar conversions... >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > ?I tried ?"117 hp in kw" via google > > All I got was links to Wikipedia etc. ?No direct conversion was done. > > The 6th item listed brought you to a conversion website, which > correctly does the conversion for you, if you typed in 117 again. > > Why not just open a converter program and skip all the intermediate > searching and then scanning the list for the right link? ****I stand corrected.***** For the mainstream conversions Google can handle...for the non-mainstream Madison is damn fine... BUT my knee jerk reaction is rooted in the fact that not too long ago...we had to memorize the multipliers for many of these conversions and deduced the rest based on the what I had memorized. For the others...reference tables were handy. -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:54:40 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:54:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM, edde m wrote: > > > > > You can type into Google "16cm in inches" and it will convert it for > > you...or other similar conversions... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I tried "117 hp in kw" via google > > All I got was links to Wikipedia etc. No direct conversion was done. User error. 117 horsepower in kilowatts 117 horsepower = 87.246885 kilowatts -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:56:45 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:56:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: <434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> <434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Steve Makohin wrote: > >> http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent > >> > >> Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. > > > > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/ > > > > Apologies...try this one...Tiny URL is banned by our Net Nanny. > > > Or http://tinyurl.com/yhgbthe TinyURL does not fix bad URLs though. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 5 17:03:34 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:03:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> <434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> Message-ID: Hello Brian, From: "Brian Curry" > On 2/5/10, Steve Makohin wrote: >> >> >> http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent >> >> >> >> Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. >> > >> > >> http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/ >> > >> > Apologies...try this one...Tiny URL is banned by our Net Nanny. >> >> Or http://tinyurl.com/yhgbthe > > TinyURL does not fix bad URLs though. I have not tested it to see if it can fix any bad URLs or not, but the link above works for me, and so I thought I'd pass it on to the list for others' convenience. -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:06:39 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:06:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> <434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello Brian, > > From: "Brian Curry" > > > > On 2/5/10, Steve Makohin wrote: > > > > > >> > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotiv/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/srvc=home&position=recent > > > >> > > > >> Page not found. Recommend you TinyUrl it. > > > > > > > > > http://news.bostonherald.com/business/automotive/view/20100120chrysler_recalls_24000_vehicles_analyst_says_automaker_must_handle_the_situation_well_with_its_customers/ > > > > > > > > Apologies...try this one...Tiny URL is banned by our Net Nanny. > > > > > > Or http://tinyurl.com/yhgbthe > > > > > > > TinyURL does not fix bad URLs though. > > > > I have not tested it to see if it can fix any bad URLs or not, but the link > above works for me, and so I thought I'd pass it on to the list for others' > convenience. Try it on the first URL. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 17:06:31 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:06:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B6C5017.5020001@argolis.org> edde m wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM, edde m wrote: >> >>> You can type into Google "16cm in inches" and it will convert it for >>> you...or other similar conversions... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> I tried "117 hp in kw" via google It's kW (Watts are upper-case W), which works fine. :) "117 hp in kW" results in: 117 hp = 87.246885 kilowatts > For the mainstream conversions Google can handle...for the > non-mainstream Madison is damn fine... "c in furlongs per fortnight" yields: the speed of light = 1.8026175 ? 10^12 furlongs per fortnight > BUT my knee jerk reaction is rooted in the fact that not too long > ago...we had to memorize the multipliers for many of these conversions > and deduced the rest based on the what I had memorized. For the > others...reference tables were handy. True. One could argue that we should know the old methods of figuring out sqrt() and cos() and whatnot, but in reality it's somewhat a waste of time. Do a few examples of converting units so the kids have an idea how it works, of course. From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 17:10:55 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:10:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B6C511F.7020309@argolis.org> johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) wrote: >> An easy to use metric conversion link is provided in my current blog. >> No charge. > > > I have a converter app on my widget desktop on my Mac. Oh yeah, Vista doesn't have that. Just one more way that Macs are superior. > > (Runs and ducks for cover) I'm sure I could find one for Linux too, but my browser is already open and there's a handy 'Google Search', box in the top right corner. :) From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 5 17:13:33 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:13:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <4B6C204F.1000504@ptd.net> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C204F.1000504@ptd.net> Message-ID: <7fbead931002050913u4ab3ca65i655aa7810455e4d4@mail.gmail.com> >>> I just heard THE most ridiculous thing ... I am correcting myself. My employer is closing at 2PM today. I know people commute from long distances, but this seems a bit far fetched. -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:17:52 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:17:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> <434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/5/10, Steve Makohin wrote: >> ?I have not tested it to see if it can fix any bad URLs or not, but the link >> above works for me, and so I thought I'd pass it on to the list for others' >> convenience. > > Try it on the first URL. While you guys argue about broken URL's?you're missing the point I was trying to make. Because Toyota engineered a part that was widely used across a a group of models?cost efficiency was achieved?aka. economies of scale. And its something that is normally laudable and helps the consumer. BUT when something does go wrong on, the scale of those affected is widespread. Since American manufacturers are still working towards such cost-efficiencies?their inefficienciencies have provided them a nice hedge against manufacturing/engineering issues becoming such a widespread problem;) -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:21:19 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:21:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/5/10, Erik Hoet wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:15 AM, edde m wrote: >> >> ?> >> ?> You can type into Google "16cm in inches" and it will convert it for >> ?> you...or other similar conversions... >> ?> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> ? I tried ?"117 hp in kw" via google >> >> ?All I got was links to Wikipedia etc. ?No direct conversion was done. > > User error. > > 117 horsepower in kilowatts > > 117 horsepower = 87.246885 kilowatts I have to be that mindful of "format" and smelling, its too damn hard. Edde's suggested format used "cm" not "centimeter" Hp is a standard abbreviation. so is Kw. Besides, I prefer this system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system EPH > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ambassador BMW MOA ? | > Brian Curry ? ? ? ? ?| ? ? ?Is Getting Old, Getting Old? > "DEERsSLAYER" ? ? ? ?| ? ? ?Aging Factors Can be Stopped > K75RTs both coasts ? | ? ? ?Find out more about it at > Chester Springs PA ? | ? ? ?http://www.nsevideos.com > From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:24:49 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:24:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You gotta trim consistently...including Curry's super-long sig. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Erik Hoet wrote: > I have to be that mindful of "format" and smelling, its too damn hard. > ?Edde's suggested format used "cm" not "centimeter" > Hp is a standard abbreviation. ?so is Kw. > > Besides, I prefer this system > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system Syntax matters...with Google or any search tool. Part of its peculiarities and virtues;) -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From rcavalie at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 17:26:40 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:26:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <4B6C5017.5020001@argolis.org> References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B6C5017.5020001@argolis.org> Message-ID: <000f01caa688$6199c170$24cd4450$@net> I can barely remember approximating square roots in high school. As for trig functions, I used tables when I was a lad. There are various infinite series representations of functions which converge very fast and one can simply truncate to get excellent approximations. I think that's what calculators do when asked to compute transcendental function values like exp(x) or Cos(x). Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Matt Piechota Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:07 PM To: edde m Cc: mac-Pac Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow SNIPPAGE True. One could argue that we should know the old methods of figuring out sqrt() and cos() and whatnot, but in reality it's somewhat a waste of time. Do a few examples of converting units so the kids have an idea how it works, of course. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:30:34 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:30:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c> <434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, edde m wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > On 2/5/10, Steve Makohin wrote: > > > > >> I have not tested it to see if it can fix any bad URLs or not, but the link > >> above works for me, and so I thought I'd pass it on to the list for others' > >> convenience. > > > > Try it on the first URL. > > > While you guys argue about broken URL's?you're missing the point I was > trying to make. > > Because Toyota engineered a part that was widely used across a a group > of models?cost efficiency was achieved?aka. economies of scale. And > its something that is normally laudable and helps the consumer. BUT > when something does go wrong on, the scale of those affected is > widespread. > > Since American manufacturers are still working towards such > cost-efficiencies?their inefficienciencies have provided them a nice > hedge against manufacturing/engineering issues becoming such a > widespread problem;) Better example. Food processing. If you have everyone doing their own canning and food preservation if they screw up only a few people are affected. If a major food processor screws up their canning or food presevation or handling a LOT more people are affected. There is no optimum and that are tradeoffs all the time. And NOTHING is perfect all the time. Get over it. No drug is safe in all cases. Look at Warfarin. People are alive due to it today, but it has a NARROW range use. Too much and you bleed out and die. Too little you clot up and die. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:30:25 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:30:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002050913u4ab3ca65i655aa7810455e4d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C204F.1000504@ptd.net> <7fbead931002050913u4ab3ca65i655aa7810455e4d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: >>>> I just heard THE most ridiculous thing ... > > I am correcting myself. ?My employer is closing at 2PM today. ?I know > people commute from long distances, but this seems a bit far fetched. > > -- > Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com > Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ Normal Saturday OT work continues to be planned for here at Disney on the Delaware.... Reminds me of 30 years ago when I worked for EI DuPont in Glasgow DE. It was snowing pretty hard, but Uncle Dupy wouldn't let us go home until then Gov Pierre DuPont declared a state of emergency, closing I-95. Back in 1977 or 78 if memory serves. I managed to drive the Pinto Runabout back to Widener via the barely passable right lane of 95. Prompted some in-house poet to pen: Safety First! when its sunny But when it snows, first comes money. Glad to know not much has changed. Erik Hoet From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:32:11 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:32:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002050913u4ab3ca65i655aa7810455e4d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C204F.1000504@ptd.net> <7fbead931002050913u4ab3ca65i655aa7810455e4d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > >>> I just heard THE most ridiculous thing ... > > > I am correcting myself. My employer is closing at 2PM today. I know > people commute from long distances, but this seems a bit far fetched. Then if you wad up your car it is not their fault. When I worked in Chesterbrook, I used to look out, see the wadded up traffic on 202, stay put, keep working and leave at the normal time and by then it had all cleared out. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 5 17:32:04 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:32:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT-IT: VM vs. Native Message-ID: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> This is IT-geek stuff. There's enough on the list that I can solicit opinions so I'm posting. The closest it comes to motorcycle content is my background image is usually motorcycle-related. It looks like I need a Windows-type install soon for personal use. I have a copy of Vista Ultimate laying around here (never used), so I guess I'll use that[0]. I'm looking for pros and cons of VM vs. native install. As many know, I run Linux (recently Ubuntu) full-time and I don't expect that will change. I may need itunes, and access to a couple sites that just plain don't work on Linux (like my work VPN solution and time card system). VM Pros: - Portable, I can run it on an external drive so I can use it on my desktop or my work laptop. - Multitask, I can run the VM without interrupting my 'real' machine (the Linux system) - I should never have to deal with Reactivating my system since the VM hardware never changes. - USB pass-thru works fine for ipods and USB-storage Native Pros: - VMs are slower than a native install, especially for video - I can play hardware-intensive games on native - No VM-related incompatibility Cons are the opposites of each. I'm leaning towards a VM install, but did I miss anything? Both are zero-cost to me. I'd consider running OS X, but I'm not in the market for new hardware. I should mention that I do a lot of VM stuff at work (VMware ESX, primarily) and the technical hurdles or running a VM are NOT an issue. In addition to VMware Server (free), I plan on looking at Linux's KVM[2] (kernel virtual machine). Anyone try KVM recently? I tried it early one and while not bad, it wasn't to VMware's level. [0] Unlike many self-professed experts[1], I have no problem with Vista. Many of those experts LOVE Windows 7, which is really Vista SP3. I find that amusing. [1] Not talking about folks here, Vista-hate is all over the internet and, like the Toyota thing, gets blown way out of proportion. [2] Yes, using KVM as an acronym is stupid for something that isn't Keyboard, Video, Mouse. From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:32:24 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:32:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <000f01caa688$6199c170$24cd4450$@net> References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B6C5017.5020001@argolis.org> <000f01caa688$6199c170$24cd4450$@net> Message-ID: Top posting Richard? Really? You know the Spoon's gonna hate that! On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: > ? ? ? ?I can barely remember approximating square roots in high school. As > for trig functions, I used tables when I was a lad. There are various > infinite series representations of functions ?which converge very fast and > one can simply truncate to get excellent approximations. I think that's what > calculators do when asked to compute transcendental function values like > exp(x) or Cos(x). Exactly! Before Newton/Leibnitz came along with the Integral...Riemann sums great approximations! Not that I advocate an antedeluvian approach along the lines of forsaken the Integral...BUT I think we're asking oursleves to think less nowadays and search for the answer online...=>"I don't know...Google it" -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 5 17:37:22 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:37:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org><2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CC74A101F67203-6B58-1387@webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com> www.convert.exe Free, very small file. Lives on the desktop, handier'n a tissue in a cathouse. Enjoy converting how much snow you got. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 5 17:43:48 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:43:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrysler Recall In-Reply-To: References: <91E7F00EAFA349C8ACBDB94C5AD89298@9200c><434E654D36A14A0BB6669B216E8F24C6@9200c> Message-ID: <8CC74A1E84AFEE6-6B58-1596@webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com> <> Since it's "just" cars, it won't really hurt us so bad. But the same kind of engineering is going on with our food, i.e. genetic engineering of corn and bean seed. When a disease that kills those GE plants hits, it will sweep across the country and destroy a good part of our food and some of our fuel supply. Oddly, terrorists know that, Hollywood knows it, but Congress and Homeland Insecurity seem totally unaware of the risk. Save some native maize seed, kids. Store 'em with your ammo and mechanical gas pedals. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 17:57:03 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:57:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B6C5017.5020001@argolis.org> <000f01caa688$6199c170$24cd4450$@net> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, edde m wrote: > Top posting Richard? Really? You know the Spoon's gonna hate that! No, but LACK OF TRIMMING will get you moderation. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 18:03:53 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:03:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT-IT: VM vs. Native In-Reply-To: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> References: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> Message-ID: I are not an IT person. On 2/5/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > This is IT-geek stuff. There's enough on the list that I can solicit > opinions so I'm posting. The closest it comes to motorcycle content is > my background image is usually motorcycle-related. On another "moto list" that has a LOT more IT folks on it, a number of them are running Winders in VM and it seems to work OK, and they are not whining about speed. Or at least with enough RAM. I think hardware has gotten so fast that you can't notice the behind the scenes work cause the Winders slow down stuff slows it more. > [0] Unlike many self-professed experts[1], I have no problem with Vista. > Many of those experts LOVE Windows 7, which is really Vista SP3. I > find that amusing. My reading, no experience, is that the UI got a bit better. Or folks got more used to more and more being well hidden. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From kdgregory at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 18:45:54 2010 From: kdgregory at yahoo.com (Keith D Gregory) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:45:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT-IT: VM vs. Native In-Reply-To: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> Message-ID: <636533.98605.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > I'm looking for pros and cons of VM vs. native install. Your big con appears to be graphics performance. But are you planning to run high-performance games? My main pro for a VM installation is that it's easy to throw away. I was running VmWare under Kubuntu so that I could have VPN access to my former employer, and plan to create a new image to run Turbo Tax. I don't particularly like installing software on Windows systems, and the VM is a great alternative. My main con is that VM images are best when built to throw away. I've recently been fighting with VirtualBox, to get it to boot a snapshot of an existing Windows XP partition, and have so far been unsuccessful. I'm not entirely sure that I can do a clean install: I'd be using the "rescue and recovery" disks, which I suspect would blow away the entire hard drive. And even with a clean install, then I'd have to run all of the system updates (I have seen instructions for creating a new XP install disk, but again, don't think the R&R disks are suitable). The biggest issue that I ran into was memory: my desktop has 1.5 gig, I wanted at least 512 meg for Windows, and that meant that some of my normal Linux applications ended up in swap. I also had problems communicating between the VM and the main OS, but I think that was how I had my network settings configured (I was using a single network card with both OS's having access; I think the correct solution would have been to establish an internal bridge network). As I mentioned above, I was using VMWare, and have been experimenting with VirtualBox. When I first started using VMWare it came with its own management app. The last time I used it, it required installing a managment plugin into Firefox, which annoyed me. Aside from VMs, have you considered just using a dual boot? Or running you Windows-only software on Amazon EC2? Or tried it with Wine (although I don't expect good results from that)? -kdg From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 18:49:59 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:49:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B6C5017.5020001@argolis.org> <000f01caa688$6199c170$24cd4450$@net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/5/10, edde m wrote: >> Top posting Richard? ?Really? ?You know the Spoon's gonna hate that! > > No, but LACK OF TRIMMING will get you moderation. Ah, another imponderable for my collection of scripture. So many meanings, such depth. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 19:33:15 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:33:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C33B7.1050605@argolis.org> <2020844923.100371265382984391.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4B6C5017.5020001@argolis.org> <000f01caa688$6199c170$24cd4450$@net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/5/10, edde m wrote: >> Top posting Richard? ?Really? ?You know the Spoon's gonna hate that! > > No, but LACK OF TRIMMING will get you moderation. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- You heard it, Edde. Time to get yer hair cut. Though I though you were supposed to drink in moderation. Who ever heard of trimming in moderation? Where is moderation located anyway? If I drink there, I'll just have to drive home, and that's a no no too.... I'm so confused..... EPH . From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 19:37:38 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:37:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT FRIday Funnay Message-ID: AN IRISH BLOND IN A CASINO An attractive blonde from Cork, Ireland arrived at the casino. She seemed a little intoxicated and bet twenty-thousand Euro on a single roll of the dice. She said, 'I hope you don't mind, but I feel much luckier when I'm completely nude'. With that, she stripped from the neck down, rolled the dice and with an Irish brogue yelled, 'Come on, baby, Mama needs new clothes!' As the dice came to a stop, she jumped up and down and squealed...'YES! YES! I WON, I WON!' She hugged each of the dealers and then picked up her winnings and her clothes and quickly departed. The dealers stared at each other dumbfounded. Finally, one of them asked, 'What did she roll?' The other answered, 'I don't know - I thought you were watching.' MORAL OF THE STORY Not all Irish are drunks, Not all blonds are dumb, But all men....are men. Erik Hoet Sent to me by one of the women in my life (thanks, Mom) From mjcantwe at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 20:14:11 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:14:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Joke Message-ID: <8bafeb801002051214o4bdf33e5r4bff42e9625b1b76@mail.gmail.com> A 110-year-old man is having his annual checkup. The doctor asks him how he's feeling. "I've never felt better," he replies. I've got an 18-year-old bride who's pregnant with my child. What do you think about that?" The doctor thinks for a moment and says, "Let me tell you a story. I know a guy who's an avid hunter. He never misses a season but one day he's in a bit of a hurry and accidentally grabs his umbrella instead of his gun. So, he's walking in the woods near a creek and suddenly spots a beaver in some brush in front of him. He raises his umbrella, points it at the beaver, squeezes the handle, and BAM! the beaver drops dead in front of him." That's impossible," said the old man in disbelief, "someone else must have shot that beaver!" From stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 20:31:57 2010 From: stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net (stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:31:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works Message-ID: <995656486.393342.1265401917390.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net> Feb 4, 2010 11:14:23 PM, joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us wrote: > Why would "narrower" than original teeth wedge when they move into an > area where the wedge is the original "unworn wider" area, when it was > OK in the first place? > > Think about throttle grip gears. Same things as this, with the teeth > closer to the "closed throttle" area than the WFO area being or ending > up more worn. > > Gears are different. The axis of rotation keeps the engagement constant. The toyota friction mechanism is different. The geometry (as I understand it) presses the teeth together and as they wear the engagement increases. This could cause a wedging action if an unworn spot went into the worn section. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm I don't know about all of this shit. My gas pedal doesn't stick. I have fly-by-wire: a wire cable goes from the gas pedal to the throttle body or to the carb . Bill Zane 1995 Ford F-150 1952 Studebaker Champion _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From kgbruce at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 22:13:01 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:13:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Labrador & Newfoundland or Bust! - 1st Call In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0KXE003TR321X540@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> For those of you who have expressed interest in an "Adventure" trip to the great white north sometime this summer I would like you to join me at an informal discussional gathering at my house. Right now I'm tentatively looking at 2/13 or 2/20 to hold this gathering. If you're interested please let me know so I can plan accordingly. Thank You! Jim Robinson ---------------------- Sounds good Jim. 2/20 is a better day for me. Thanks, Ken Bruce From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 5 22:57:51 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:57:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <4B6C0ABB.1010400@argolis.org> Message-ID: <8D73024BF5104E4EB4EC39DFAF54D8EA@Tekki> Am seeing the Toyota CEO is apologizing for the accelerator pedal and the ABS on the Prius'.... The shame, the embarrassment.....if he's really THAT embarrassed maybe he should commit seppuku at his next news conference! In 'the old days', he would have had to, or one of his seniors would have taken the blame and done so. Don't the yakuza still cut off their little fingers for atonement?! Sorry, Junji! Rick From rdlebout at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 23:22:40 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:22:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC brown leather seat green paint Message-ID: <3f2b32881002051522s11c488b5mc0a5d6e25996b48e@mail.gmail.com> This combination looks spectacular to me. http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/2009-moto-guzzi-griso-8v-se-review-88376.html Looking at the right side I thought the valve cover could have been black. When you see the left side with the silver exhaust it really doesn't matter. The green and brown are a sharp combination. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 00:03:14 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:03:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <8D73024BF5104E4EB4EC39DFAF54D8EA@Tekki> References: <4B6C0ABB.1010400@argolis.org> <8D73024BF5104E4EB4EC39DFAF54D8EA@Tekki> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Rick Sorensen wrote: > Am seeing the Toyota CEO is apologizing for the accelerator pedal and the > ABS on the Prius'.... > > The shame, the embarrassment.....if he's really THAT embarrassed maybe he > should commit seppuku at his next news conference! > > In 'the old days', he would have had to, or one of his seniors would have > taken the blame and done so. > Don't the yakuza still cut off their little fingers for atonement?! > > > Sorry, Junji! > > It seems to me that Toyota is spending $2 billion and making this huge apology- for a problem that has never been observed! Sure, there have been some runaway Toyotas (BTW, both Japanese- and US-made). But as far as I can tell, no one has ever found a real Toyota gas pedal that sticks down by itself, otherwise it would be major news, and certainly all over YouTube. Instead, it seems to me that the current 'fix' is intended to reduce the _probability_ of a sticking pedal, from say 1 in 20 million to 1 in 20 billion. I am sympathetic to Toyota in handling this PR problem, as I was to Audi 20 years ago. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 00:06:40 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:06:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: <8D73024BF5104E4EB4EC39DFAF54D8EA@Tekki> References: <4B6C0ABB.1010400@argolis.org> <8D73024BF5104E4EB4EC39DFAF54D8EA@Tekki> Message-ID: On 2/5/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: > Am seeing the Toyota CEO is apologizing for the accelerator pedal and the > ABS on the Prius'.... > > The shame, the embarrassment.....if he's really THAT embarrassed maybe he > should commit seppuku at his next news conference! There are some Japanese company officials that have done that. Or committed suicide, not sure of they did it by disembowelment with a second there. > In 'the old days', he would have had to, or one of his seniors would have > taken the blame and done so. > Don't the yakuza still cut off their little fingers for atonement?! There was a good bit of that at the end of WW II, but I think it has gone out of fashion. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 00:10:09 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:10:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C0ABB.1010400@argolis.org> <8D73024BF5104E4EB4EC39DFAF54D8EA@Tekki> Message-ID: Don't go into PR Doug On 2/5/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Rick Sorensen wrote: > > Am seeing the Toyota CEO is apologizing for the accelerator pedal and the > > ABS on the Prius'.... > > > > The shame, the embarrassment.....if he's really THAT embarrassed maybe he > > should commit seppuku at his next news conference! > > It seems to me that Toyota is spending $2 billion and making this huge > apology- for a problem that has never been observed! > > Sure, there have been some runaway Toyotas (BTW, both Japanese- and > US-made). But as far as I can tell, no one has ever found a real > Toyota gas pedal that sticks down by itself, otherwise it would be > major news, and certainly all over YouTube. > > Instead, it seems to me that the current 'fix' is intended to reduce > the _probability_ of a sticking pedal, from say 1 in 20 million to 1 > in 20 billion. > > I am sympathetic to Toyota in handling this PR problem, as I was to > Audi 20 years ago. Audi is finally recovering. When the media is at full chat, there is the HEART RENDING 911 tape, you throw money at it. They have to. Back in the time of Audi, Honda had a similar issue. They "just fixed it" FSVOFix and kept on going on cause the news media did not take it up. Even if you don't know you have to do SOMETHING, even if you have no clue if that is the real problem, you just pray that the incidence drops down. Never upset the news media at you. The sky WILL be falling. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 00:26:30 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:26:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I wonder if this is real and will make the cut for this Sunday? Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew9cEATPzDE (WS) I still will not voluntarily consume it though. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rsorens at comcast.net Sat Feb 6 02:05:39 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:05:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <8CC74A101F67203-6B58-1387@webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3080B79308394A02A5C209F96BCB5DAE@Tekki> >www.convert.exe I have been using this for more than 5 years....maybe more. Hundreds of times....I really, really like it....better than my Johnson Control Engineering data book - which I used for more than 20yrs and still have....but use www.comvert.com.... From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 23:07:13 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:07:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Looks like an appropriate motorcycle club activity Message-ID: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1125919467?bctid=63259762001 -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 01:50:24 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:50:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Fwd: Super Bowl - oldie but timely Message-ID: Super Bowl A man had 50 yard line tickets for the Super Bowl. As he sits down, a man comes down and asks if anyone is sitting in the seat next to him. "No," he says, "The seat is empty." "This is incredible," said the man. "Who in their right mind would have a seat like this for the Super Bowl and not use it?" He says, "Well, actually, the seat belongs to me. I was supposed to come with my wife, but she passed away. This is the first Super bowl we haven't been to together since we got married in 1967." "Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. That's terrible. But couldn't you find someone else-a friend or relative, or even a neighbor to take the seat?". The man shakes his head. "No, they're all at the funeral." -- BMW-Dick The only thing that has to be finished by tomorrow is today. From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 04:17:03 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:17:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tight Budgets = more gravel Message-ID: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-03-gravel-roads_N.htm -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:38:25 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:38:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: 9999.9 In-Reply-To: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> References: <4B6B5730.12481.87A14B@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > Today the odometer rolled up to 9999.9 miles for the second time. ?I > just hit 20k miles on my bicycle! (SNIP) Joe: Don't you ever sit still? Really, Congrats. Those are impressive numbers that I won't even start to approach in this lifetime. -- BMW-Dick The only thing that has to be finished by tomorrow is today. From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 13:52:01 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:52:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Word For the Day In-Reply-To: <4B6C204F.1000504@ptd.net> References: <8296f6de1002042001s7927f396j92c7d2d63272a7f4@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002050522y1467121ajd8f8818178d12b9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B6C204F.1000504@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Chris wrote: (SNIP) > > They are just trying to stimulate the regional economy by hyping the > storm...its gets people into the stores to purchase goods now....rather > than later. ?LOL > > > Chris Jaccarino > And it works. Jane I ran to the market last night to pick a few things for supper, and it was like half time at the hotdog stand at the Super Bowl. To the credit of the people of Chester country, most everyone seemed to be courteous and in a good mood. -- BMW-Dick The only thing that has to be finished by tomorrow is today. From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 21:09:39 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:09:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW sales 2009 & 2010 projection Message-ID: http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-news/2010/2009-bmw-motorcycle-sales.htm -- BMW-Dick From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 6 02:32:09 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:32:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT-IT: VM vs. Native In-Reply-To: <636533.98605.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <636533.98605.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B6CD4A9.5010808@argolis.org> Keith D Gregory wrote: > Your big con appears to be graphics performance. But are you planning to run high-performance games? A little. > My main con is that VM images are best when built to throw away. I've recently been fighting with VirtualBox, to get it to boot a snapshot of an existing Windows XP partition, and have so far been unsuccessful. I'm not entirely sure that I can do a clean install: I'd be using the "rescue and recovery" disks, which I suspect would blow away the entire hard drive. And even with a clean install, then I'd have to run all of the system updates (I have seen instructions for creating a new XP install disk, but again, don't think the R&R disks are suitable). If it still available, VMware used to have free tool called 'VMware Convertor'. It would run on the source Windows system and make an image of that system to a Windows share. In the process, it would modify the image to use the VMware virtual hardware. Then, you could just boot the system up in VMware. It is a *fantastic* tool when you get a new machine and want to keep the old one around for awhile. I think VirtualBox can run VMware images, and qemu's tools may even be able to convert from one format to another. > The biggest issue that I ran into was memory: my desktop has 1.5 gig, I wanted at least 512 meg for Windows, and that meant that some of my normal Linux applications ended up in swap. I also had problems communicating between the VM and the main OS, but I think that was how I had my network settings configured (I was using a single network card with both OS's having access; I think the correct solution would have been to establish an internal bridge network). VirtualBox (when I tried it on Linux) was nowhere near as polished as VMware for setting up the networking parts. In VMware, I almost always use bridged networking, so both the host and guest are effectively on the physical (W)LAN. After that, you treat the VM just like you would treat any other machine on the network. Nice thing is the VM doesn't need to know about the wireless settings if the host is using a wireless adapter. As long as the host is configured, the guest will get a separate IP from the DHCP server automatically. > As I mentioned above, I was using VMWare, and have been experimenting with VirtualBox. When I first started using VMWare it came with its own management app. The last time I used it, it required installing a managment plugin into Firefox, which annoyed me. Yeah, I'm less than thrilled with the direction VMware has taken with their Linux support. Server 2.x uses Apache Tomcat for the web interface and the mentioned firefox plug in. I did find a 'hack' to start the management interface without using firefox. I'll dig it up if you want it. > Aside from VMs, have you considered just using a dual boot? Or running you Windows-only software on Amazon EC2? Or tried it with Wine (although I don't expect good results from that)? I have thought about dual-boot, and even have an empty 64GB partition on my drive for it. I'm just not sure I want to interrupt what I have going on in Linux so I can boot into Windows to run itunes. I didn't know about EC2, I'll have to take a look, and Wine doesn't seem to like the few things I need Windows for (itunes and Nortel VPN). From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 6 02:38:02 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:38:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! Message-ID: <4B6CD60A.7050106@argolis.org> OMG, it's been snowing for a few hours here in Coatesville, and there's 2"! It's still snowing! Good thing I have a case a beer for the next week. -- Matt, who once saw 39" of snow fall in 3 hours. From rsorens at comcast.net Sat Feb 6 02:42:00 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:42:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: How a Toyota Gas Pedal Works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01B34F70196F4288BB646D302B567452@Tekki> >There was a good bit of that at the end of WW II, but I think it has gone out of fashion. I have met a 'failed kamikaze' pilot (Osamu Osawa).....10th dan, JKA and read his autobiography....interesting story at the end of WWII....lots of seppuku in the hospital where he was when Hirohito actually addressed the nation. Interesting man, Interesting mental processes as a nation. Rick From rsorens at comcast.net Sat Feb 6 02:51:31 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:51:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <4B6CD60A.7050106@argolis.org> Message-ID: <1C493808061E4D74A73D5AC5892537A7@Tekki> >OMG, it's been snowing for a few hours here in Coatesville, and there's 2"! Barely a dusting here I Richboro, PA at 21:50 Feb 5, 2010 The storm is petering out....(OK, maybe wishful thinking) From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 03:03:01 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:03:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT-IT: VM vs. Native In-Reply-To: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> References: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > This is IT-geek stuff. ?There's enough on the list that I can solicit > opinions so I'm posting. ?The closest it comes to motorcycle content is > my background image is usually motorcycle-related. > > > It looks like I need a Windows-type install soon for personal use. ?I > have a copy of Vista Ultimate laying around here (never used), so I > guess I'll use that[0]. > > I'm looking for pros and cons of VM vs. native install. ?As many know, I > run Linux (recently Ubuntu) full-time and I don't expect that will > change. ?I may need itunes, and access to a couple sites that just plain > don't work on Linux (like my work VPN solution and time card system). > > VM Pros: > - Portable, I can run it on an external drive so I can use it on my > desktop or my work laptop. > - Multitask, I can run the VM without interrupting my 'real' machine > (the Linux system) > - I should never have to deal with Reactivating my system since the VM > hardware never changes. > - USB pass-thru works fine for ipods and USB-storage > > Native Pros: > - VMs are slower than a native install, especially for video > - I can play hardware-intensive games on native > - No VM-related incompatibility > > Cons are the opposites of each. ?I'm leaning towards a VM install, but > did I miss anything? ?Both are zero-cost to me. ?I'd consider running OS > X, but I'm not in the market for new hardware. > > I should mention that I do a lot of VM stuff at work (VMware ESX, > primarily) and the technical hurdles or running a VM are NOT an issue. > In addition to VMware Server (free), I plan on looking at Linux's KVM[2] > (kernel virtual machine). ?Anyone try KVM recently? ?I tried it early > one and while not bad, it wasn't to VMware's level. > > While not a power user, I and other developers at Siemens depended heavily on VirtualMachine software. Switching back and forth from many different OS versions instantaneously is just fabulous, when you need to develop/test on all of them. My hope is to continue developing sw at home, with my own installation of VM. Possibly even on my HP laptop, with 4gig RAM (I wouldn't try VM with any less, that's for sure). Some advantages: -After v5.0 performance became acceptably fast. (But we didn't need it for videos or games) -Installing software 'natively' (directly on your host PC, not in a VM image) is a one-way trip. You can never really undo an install or SP when something goes wrong. But if you put it on a VM, just throw it away and forget about it. So there's no anxiety about whether to try an upgrade. -It's so handy to build up a library of VM images, and conveniently share them with others. For network connections 'bridge mode' was forbidden, because your VM image looked like a rogue PC on the corporate network. But NAT mode worked just fine for most purposes. It gives the VM image ReadOnly access to corporate folders. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 03:18:36 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:18:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Cool feature in gmail, "Mail Goggles" Message-ID: I just enabled this fun feature, under Google Labs. In gmail, when you hit the Send button after being at the keyboard for a certain amount of time, and at certain late hours, a popup says, "Are you sure you want to send this? Answer the following questions first". Then you are presented with 5 simple math questions which you have to answer correctly before gmail will send your witty note onto the net. I hope I get the answers right this time..... -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From wassallj at infionline.net Sat Feb 6 03:32:17 2010 From: wassallj at infionline.net (Jay Wassall) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:32:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <1C493808061E4D74A73D5AC5892537A7@Tekki> References: <1C493808061E4D74A73D5AC5892537A7@Tekki> Message-ID: <4B6CE2C1.2010305@infionline.net> Rick Sorensen wrote: >> OMG, it's been snowing for a few hours here in Coatesville, and there's 2"! >> > > Barely a dusting here I Richboro, PA at 21:50 Feb 5, 2010 > > > The storm is petering out....(OK, maybe wishful thinking) > > _______________________________________________ > There is 6" so far in Lancaster at 10:30 -Jay From jasiii at earthlink.net Sat Feb 6 03:51:46 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:51:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! Message-ID: <4014692.1265428306489.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >>OMG, it's been snowing for a few hours here in Coatesville, and there's 2"! > >Barely a dusting here I Richboro, PA at 21:50 Feb 5, 2010 >The storm is petering out....(OK, maybe wishful thinking) > and at 10:45 in Claymont Delaware we have about 6 1/2 inchs I will be having a fun day tomorrow with the snow blower :-\ Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 6 03:56:53 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:56:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC brown leather seat green paint In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002051522s11c488b5mc0a5d6e25996b48e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002051522s11c488b5mc0a5d6e25996b48e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC74F78DCB3F1E-8578-49A1@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> <> I don't really like brown motorcycle seats. Looks too much like cheap pleather. There are other considerations when choosing a seat color: http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=242457 Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 6 04:18:56 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:18:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT or not: Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow In-Reply-To: <3080B79308394A02A5C209F96BCB5DAE@Tekki> Message-ID: <8CC74FAA211961E-8578-4C5C@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> Rick S.posts: <> Ummm, OK, Rick. If you say so. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 04:53:01 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 23:53:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] What would YOU make with this machine Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnIvhlKT7SY (WS) REAL MAGIC here. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sat Feb 6 04:52:47 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:52:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Sticking the landing Message-ID: <4B6CAF4F.8895.5C7D886@localhost> I don't believe this was done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MWDl3aHXI Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sat Feb 6 05:06:02 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:06:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <1C493808061E4D74A73D5AC5892537A7@Tekki> References: <4B6CD60A.7050106@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B6CB26A.23649.5D3F9CF@localhost> > >OMG, it's been snowing for a few hours here in Coatesville, and there's 2"! > > Barely a dusting here I Richboro, PA at 21:50 Feb 5, 2010 > > Snip... I just came back from Supertech in Pottstown. I took the back roads so I could go at my own pace. Only 2" max, but quite slippery. I totally blasted through trying to turn from old 422 to Nieffer. The ABS was at full chat and I just kept going. No worries as I was on the through street and just kept going straight. Perhaps things will be a little better tomorrow when it is colder. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sat Feb 6 05:23:35 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:23:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tight Budgets = more gravel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4B6CB687.11670.5E40D38@localhost> > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-03-gravel-roads_N.htm > Its worse than just more gravel. They take paved roads and grind them up and put them back in place w/o the asphalt. It would be a shock to come up on a road that was paved and went to gravel. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 05:27:52 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:27:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tight Budgets = more gravel In-Reply-To: <4B6CB687.11670.5E40D38@localhost> References: <4B6CB687.11670.5E40D38@localhost> Message-ID: On 2/6/10, Joe Dille wrote: > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-03-gravel-roads_N.htm > > > > > Its worse than just more gravel. They take paved roads and grind > them up and put them back in place w/o the asphalt. It would be a > shock to come up on a road that was paved and went to gravel. Earle's road did that. I dunno if it still does. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 07:21:48 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 02:21:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 10" of Global Warming and now the heavy stuff is supposed to start... Message-ID: -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wassallj at infionline.net Sat Feb 6 10:54:56 2010 From: wassallj at infionline.net (Jay Wassall) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:54:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <4B6CB26A.23649.5D3F9CF@localhost> References: <4B6CD60A.7050106@argolis.org> <4B6CB26A.23649.5D3F9CF@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6D4A80.9080606@infionline.net> Joe Dille wrote: > >>> OMG, it's been snowing for a few hours here in Coatesville, and there's 2"! >>> >> Barely a dusting here I Richboro, PA at 21:50 Feb 5, 2010 >> >> >> 22" in Lancaster at 5am -Jay From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 11:29:56 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 06:29:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC brown leather seat green paint In-Reply-To: <8CC74F78DCB3F1E-8578-49A1@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> References: <3f2b32881002051522s11c488b5mc0a5d6e25996b48e@mail.gmail.com> <8CC74F78DCB3F1E-8578-49A1@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002060329qebca38clf7a58677b0a7dd66@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > < > http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/2009-moto-guzzi-griso-8v-se-review-88376.html > > Looking at the right side I thought the valve cover could have been black. > When you see the left side with the silver exhaust it really doesn't matter. > The green and brown are a sharp combination. >> > > I don't really like brown motorcycle seats. Looks too much like cheap > pleather. > > There are other considerations when choosing a seat color: > http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=242457 > > > Tom Cutter > Yardley, PA > http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com > She/he might be embarrassed if they knew their picture was flying around the Internet. If she/he didn't use sun screen the color might change. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From jasiii at earthlink.net Sat Feb 6 12:56:27 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:56:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] What would YOU make with this machine Message-ID: <2916443.1265460987938.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Subject: [MAC-PAC] What would YOU make with this machine > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnIvhlKT7SY > >REAL MAGIC here. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ambassador BMW MOA | >Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? Just think of all the crush washers anyone could make Wow.. Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From ironbt01 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 13:33:17 2010 From: ironbt01 at gmail.com (Greg Roberts) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:33:17 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 10" of Global Warming and now the heavy stuff is supposed to start... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a937ecc1002060533n6f7bc35dva2486544cf007922@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > -- OTOH, down here in the Cloudy South I've recorded 2.89" of rain in the past 48 hours . Greg Roberts Wadley, AL From rsorens at comcast.net Sat Feb 6 13:56:09 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:56:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC brown leather seat green paint In-Reply-To: <8CC74F78DCB3F1E-8578-49A1@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6894AE0A91B941FB9EDE96E5BDD56948@Tekki> >...There are other considerations when choosing a seat color: http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=242457 Said it before, and I'll say it again: I love the sicko's in this group! Rick From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 6 14:02:59 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:02:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] What would YOU make with this machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6D7693.80403@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnIvhlKT7SY > (WS) > > REAL MAGIC here. > A new transmission input shaft and matching clutch hub! (No, mine hasn't gone yet, just a joke) From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 14:22:04 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:22:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC two thirds of the way down is bikes also car bus and truck Message-ID: <3f2b32881002060622v7d30b39w5fea3752a945716a@mail.gmail.com> http://www.pluginamerica.org/vehicles/ I can't wait for the prices to come down Economic forecasting models seem to be popular these days so when do you expect a 25% reduction in price? Tango T600 EV at $108,000 even with tax incentives is a huge price tag. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From 321design at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 14:58:37 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:58:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC two thirds of the way down is bikes also car bus and truck In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002060622v7d30b39w5fea3752a945716a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002060622v7d30b39w5fea3752a945716a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002060658k26458e74y876409c65962bfe7@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > http://www.pluginamerica.org/vehicles/ > > I can't wait for the prices to come down > > Economic forecasting models seem to be popular these days so when do > you expect a 25% reduction in price? > > Tango T600 EV at $108,000 even with tax incentives is a huge price tag. Wow, the Tango is one squished looking car. I didn't know there were so many electric vehicles in the works. I expect it will be a very fluid market with brands and models coming and going. I like the idea of the relative simplicity of the electric, but the key will be how the energy originates cost and environmental wise. Where the hell are the high mileage gas and diesels available in Europe? Why don't we have them here. They don't meet US safety standards? I spoke to a VW rep at the car show last year and he said they have a gas vehicle in Europe now (then) that was getting 55MPG and they were working on bringing it here. Where is it? I guess it's all about the numbers; when gas is at the same cost as Europe ($5/gal?) the US will buy high MPG cars in earnest giving up size and power / acceleration. Hey, my Jetta TDI is fast enough and gets 35+MPG. It aint to slick, but it gets me around. I save over $120/month over the F150 PU I got rid of in 2006. But I do miss the 4WD and hauling ability. Where can I get a PU that gets 30+MPG? -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From rogers.george at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 15:07:59 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:07:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] nice day for a walk Message-ID: <1f13c3621002060707y2bdd36c0q29e0e05acc963f30@mail.gmail.com> Went to let the dogs out this morning and they couldn't climb over the drift in front of the door. There's lots more, but since pictures are involved, I'll put the rest on my blog. First post in weeks, and I've had one called "beauties from the caribbean" on the back burner for weeks. Val just joined me, but you'll have to go to the blog to find out the significance of that. give me a few minutes to get it written. Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://rogersgeorge.blogspot.com <--- blog is here---------------------- http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100206/6e42339a/attachment.html From ladyvol at fastmail.fm Sat Feb 6 15:23:48 2010 From: ladyvol at fastmail.fm (Jill McCarley) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:23:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MAC-PAC: Labrador & Newfoundland or Bust! - 1st Call In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1265469828.19377.1358604031@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:40 -0500, "Jim Robinson" wrote: > PAC, > > For those of you who have expressed interest in an "Adventure" trip to > the > great white north sometime this summer I would like you to join me at an SNIP Jim, I'm not sure how much time off I'll have available this summer, but this trip sounds like a helluva good time. Howard and I have been talking about going back for some time now. I had a great time going up to Gros Marne a few years ago, but was disappointed that we didn't get all the way to Labrador. I had especially wanted to see the Vikings stuff in St. John's, but we didn't get that far, either. Would there be a significant dual sport portion? So, put me down as "interested" and "maybe, depending on schedule". hugs, Jill ---------------------------- '90 R100GS '06 K1200 R "The Screaming Meanie" Jill McCarley, MD Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Member, Ketchup Advisory Board "Psychiatry--turning neurotic misery into ordinary human unhappiness." From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 15:30:24 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:30:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC two thirds of the way down is bikes also car bus and truck In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002060658k26458e74y876409c65962bfe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002060622v7d30b39w5fea3752a945716a@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002060658k26458e74y876409c65962bfe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/6/10, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > > Economic forecasting models seem to be popular these days so when do > > you expect a 25% reduction in price? How good are your models? Its the rage, but not how "good" or accurate is the model.... The Fed chairman has access to "very expensive" ones and they seem to be back pedaling on their prognostications. Chris might have an opinion. > so many electric vehicles in the works. I expect it will be a very > fluid market with brands and models coming and going. I like the idea Look back at the early car market. Early bike market. Same thing as lots of people try establish their niche or unique advantage. > of the relative simplicity of the electric, but the key will be how > the energy originates cost and environmental wise. No. You first better get energy storage under control. That still sucks. Energy originates cost will be driven by energy source. Remember the PA electricity cost freeze is about to thaw and it will NOT be following the long term historical cost. Energy sources will be interesting, cause 50% of the US electricity is sourced from a carbon heavy source. "Envirionmental" pressues will likely drive the energy costs a lot. If it all has to come from wind and solar expect the fuel to be WAY HIGHER than it is now. > Where the hell are the high mileage gas and diesels available in > Europe? Why don't we have them here. They don't meet US safety > standards? I spoke to a VW rep at the car show last year and he said > they have a gas vehicle in Europe now (then) that was getting 55MPG > and they were working on bringing it here. Where is it? Research the Paperwork costs to bring a vehicle into the US. All that emissions testing is not cheap. Then figure out changing the vehicle to meet the US impact standards. If you remember when Chrysler was given to FIAT there was a talk of how they had a vehicle ready to go here in Europe. It was ready to go except for redoing the computer controls cause the US MANDATES of how they work is different from how it is here, and then doing the mechanical bits. "Ready to go"... SNORK. > I guess it's all about the numbers; when gas is at the same cost as > Europe ($5/gal?) the US will buy high MPG cars in earnest giving up > size and power / acceleration. Hey, my Jetta TDI is fast enough and > gets 35+MPG. It aint to slick, but it gets me around. I save over > $120/month over the F150 PU I got rid of in 2006. But I do miss the > 4WD and hauling ability. Where can I get a PU that gets 30+MPG? Utility. It does make a difference. Oh, and distances are a big bigger in the US than in Yurpe. I just ran back from Orlando w/ 5 people and luggage in the car in one day. Its "different". Would I want to do it every day? I don't think so. The "hidden" costs and the "unaware" challenges are big factors. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwdick at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 12:13:37 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:13:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <4B6D4A80.9080606@infionline.net> References: <4B6CD60A.7050106@argolis.org> <4B6CB26A.23649.5D3F9CF@localhost> <4B6D4A80.9080606@infionline.net> Message-ID: Downingtown 7AM, Feb 6th Snowed all night. Some drifting over night. Snowing heavily right now. At least 2 feet on my front walk and patio. Driveway impassable. The cats are pissed off. See you next Spring. -- BMW-Dick From wayne at 2zars.com Sat Feb 6 15:58:15 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:58:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Cool feature in gmail, "Mail Goggles" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I just enabled this fun feature, under Google Labs. > >In gmail, when you hit the Send button after being at the keyboard for >a certain amount of time, and at certain late hours, a popup says, >"Are you sure you want to send this? Answer the following questions >first". Then you are presented with 5 simple math questions which you >have to answer correctly before gmail will send your witty note onto >the net. > >I hope I get the answers right this time..... A couple of thoughts. I really don't want a computer monitoring my activity and challenging me unless medically necessary. This sounds 'Big Brotherish". I'd assume this is aimed at people who are impaired after partying. If so, why doesn't it track your mis-spellings and determine your are impaired and 'act accordingly' Thanks, but no thanks. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From pasegc at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:03:40 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:03:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Sticking the landing In-Reply-To: <4B6CAF4F.8895.5C7D886@localhost> References: <4B6CAF4F.8895.5C7D886@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > I don't believe this was done. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MWDl3aHXI > The next time the indoor flying takes place I'll give you a call. Come and see for yourself. It was recently held at the high school just outside of Lansdale in the gym. Approximately 65-70 flyers showed with all indoor models including helicopters. I had a Bell Jet Ranger with a 54" rotor and a McCollough (sp) chain saw engine in it. It required a battery constantly on the glow plug to insure being hot to minimize crashes. This was back in the mid 80's. I sold the model to Peter Wright (George's cousin) who was the owner of the helicopter operation just off Rt.202 outside of West Chester. This operation was sold to Sikorski (sp) and moved to Coatesville Airport. Some of these models would blow your mind if you have never seen what the are capable of doing. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:08:09 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:08:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here Message-ID: http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63373#post63373 (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From pasegc at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:08:33 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:08:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tight Budgets = more gravel In-Reply-To: References: <4B6CB687.11670.5E40D38@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/6/10, Joe Dille wrote: >> > Earle's road did that. ?I dunno if it still does. > > Ya, but they still pipe in sunlight over there also. Riding on gravel is practice for Earle. Remember he did this before and ruined a Triumph, he stopped riding for a while after that. Gerry Cavanaugh From pasegc at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:15:46 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:15:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 10" of Global Warming and now the heavy stuff is supposed to start... In-Reply-To: <2a937ecc1002060533n6f7bc35dva2486544cf007922@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a937ecc1002060533n6f7bc35dva2486544cf007922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Greg Roberts wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Brian Curry wrote: >> -- > > ? > > OTOH, down here in the Cloudy South I've recorded 2.89" of rain in the > past 48 hours . > Remember the ratio is 10:1 of the white stuff to the wet stuff. That's what we are seeing now. I hate this sh*t. It happens on weekends, why not during the week when you can get off from work. Ups, sorry, I don't even work. Some of you guys are lucky, sent home early, time off with pay. I just need to bitch about something. Ya, I know next is your president. stoken, stoken, stoken. Good day to ya'll. Riepe, get writing, I need something to read to make me laugh. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA Gerry Cavanaugh From pasegc at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:27:24 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:27:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] What would YOU make with this machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Brian Curry wrote: What would you make with this machine? A helmut but some jerk beat me to it. I think I did a nice job though. Could show you a block of Aluminum that started out as a solid block about the size of a car and ended about the same size but you could lift it by hand. It was used in space flights. Made in New Jersey at IMCO, a complany I represented for years. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 6 16:49:48 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:49:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] 10" of Global Warming and now the heavy stuff is supposed to start... In-Reply-To: References: <2a937ecc1002060533n6f7bc35dva2486544cf007922@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6D9DAC.6070108@argolis.org> Gerry Cavanaugh wrote: > Remember the ratio is 10:1 of the white stuff to the wet stuff. > That's what we are seeing now. The one useful fact I got this morning from watching the news is the ratio is variable. 10:1 is good from 28-32 deg F. some range below that (which was apparently the temperature in Philly) is more like 15:1. I have to think that when it gets cold (as in single digits), the ratio starts going back down since the snow in those temps is more like a fine powder than these big fluffy flakes. From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 6 16:52:24 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:52:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6D9E48.1070405@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63373#post63373 > (WS) At the moment, the Beemer certainly seems to be the 'real deal'. The question will be (in my mind): will BMW stick with it and keep the bike competitive, or will it more or less unchanged for the next 4-5 years? Either way, I'm still sorely tempted. From fawudd at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 17:03:59 2010 From: fawudd at gmail.com (W Thompson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:03:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4B6D9E48.1070405@argolis.org> References: <4B6D9E48.1070405@argolis.org> Message-ID: The accolades in the magazines continue to pour in. It will be interesting indeed to see if they stick with the traditional incremental changes year after year, or if they engage the the Japanese in an all out war. This is a tough segment to stay on top, but it looks like they hit this one out of the park !! This is about 100 times more bike than I am rider, but I want one anyway ;-) -- http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Brian Curry wrote: > > http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63373#post63373 > > (WS) > > At the moment, the Beemer certainly seems to be the 'real deal'. The > question will be (in my mind): will BMW stick with it and keep the bike > competitive, or will it more or less unchanged for the next 4-5 years? > > Either way, I'm still sorely tempted. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100206/c0196a68/attachment.html From rsorens at comcast.net Sat Feb 6 17:43:14 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:43:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> >>>>>>> Downingtown 7AM, Feb 6th Snowed all night. Some drifting over night. Snowing heavily right now. At least 2 feet on my front walk and patio. Driveway impassable. The cats are pissed off. See you next Spring. >>>>>>>>>> HAHAHA! About 12" here, shoveled drive once around 8am, then Lind did it around 11:30 while I went for a ride around the neighborhood....ON THE MOTORCYCLE. OK, OK, it was the Honda XR100, but it IS a motorcycle! Rick From mrmevans at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 18:26:27 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:26:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> References: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> In Kimberton/Phoenixville: 15" seems about the avg. amount. I've got some drifts over 2-1/2 feet. I just had my own at-home re-enactment of an avalanche - going up and down the drive with the snow thrower and gradually cutting into a deep drift on the one side that ran the length of the driveway. At one point I carved enough out of the side of the drift that a crack instantly formed in the snow that was almost the entire length of my driveway. Then the snow collapsed down onto the drive. At least now it was a LOT easier for my little 2-stroke chucker to clear it off the drive. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From rogers.george at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 18:37:56 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:37:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> References: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13c3621002061037i4d1bdb9as5244de3312c80866@mail.gmail.com> Just went out and checked our snow depth 20.5 inches Earlier this morning I sent a post under the subject "nice day for a walk," not realizing I was not set to plain text. Here's the post: Went to let the dogs out this morning and they couldn't climb over the drift in front of the door. There's lots more, but since pictures are involved, I'll put the rest on my blog. First post in weeks, and I've had one called "beauties from the caribbean" on the back burner for weeks. Val just joined me here, but you'll have to go to the blog to find out the significance of that. Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://rogersgeorge.blogspot.com <---the blog is here------------------ http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Michael Evans wrote: > > In Kimberton/Phoenixville: > > 15" seems about the avg. amount. I've got some drifts over 2-1/2 feet. > > I just had my own at-home re-enactment of an avalanche - going up and > down the drive with the snow thrower and gradually cutting into a deep > drift on the one side that ran the length of the driveway. > > At one point I carved enough out of the side of the drift that a crack > instantly formed in the snow that was almost the entire length of my > driveway. Then the snow collapsed down onto the drive. At least now it > was a LOT easier for my little 2-stroke chucker to clear it off the > drive. > > -- > Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From jasiii at earthlink.net Sat Feb 6 18:40:52 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (James A. Sterling) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:40:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Snow Ratios Message-ID: Just to share.. Temperature against water only shown for 1 inch of water Temperature in degrees F Water 34 to 28 27 to 20 19 to 15 14 to 10 9 to 0 -1 to -20 -21 to -40 1.00 10.0 15.0 20.0 30.0 40.0 50.0 100.0 And this is from the government so we know it is right http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/tables/snowfall-meltwater.html Something else to talk about.. Another static that has been measured and verified on several different sites.. Might even be good data Jim From jasiii at earthlink.net Sat Feb 6 18:42:36 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (James A. Sterling) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:42:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <1C493808061E4D74A73D5AC5892537A7@Tekki> Message-ID: >> OMG, it's been snowing for a few hours here in Coatesville, and there's 2"! > > Barely a dusting here I Richboro, PA at 21:50 Feb 5, 2010 > > > The storm is petering out....(OK, maybe wishful thinking) > As of 1:30 in Claymont we have at least 22" measured in several locations. Toro is doing well, I am beat.. Time for a nap Jim From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 6 18:46:59 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:46:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC two thirds of the way down is bikes also car bus and truck In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002060658k26458e74y876409c65962bfe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002060622v7d30b39w5fea3752a945716a@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002060658k26458e74y876409c65962bfe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6DB923.6090304@argolis.org> Rob Haut wrote: > Where the hell are the high mileage gas and diesels available in > Europe? Why don't we have them here. They don't meet US safety > standards? I spoke to a VW rep at the car show last year and he said > they have a gas vehicle in Europe now (then) that was getting 55MPG > and they were working on bringing it here. Where is it? He's probably talking about the Fox, which comes in 'Urban' trim with a 1.2L engine making 54HP. I doubt they'd sell well in the US. From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Sat Feb 6 18:49:40 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:49:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! References: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03a301caa75d$244c2e90$4101a8c0@FastHP> > > 15" seems about the avg. amount. I've got some drifts over 2-1/2 feet. > I had 19" everywhere I measured in my driveway but now my driveway is plowed. My next door neighbor came to my rescue. Even cleared a way to the mailbox. The road out front is narrow but passable. I hadn't seen much traffic on it until this afternoon I had to shovel a path for my dog. When she stands on her hind legs she can barely see over the snow. She tried jumping on top of the snow and sank right down. I've heard that Vancouver needs some snow for the Olympics in some venues. They have to truck it in because they have had rain!!. They can have all of ours as far as I am concerned Marge From wateredg at interlog.com Sat Feb 6 19:20:30 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:20:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here References: Message-ID: <8D4BA85C963E4339B0B752E0FBB7463E@9200c> Hello all, From: "Brian Curry" > http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63373#post63373 Kudos to BMW for making the numbers. A friend of mine who has raced semi-pro, and always owned Asian sportbikes, told me about his lust for the S1000RR, and its competitive purchase price. I suggested he look into the cost of maintenance and repairs, just in case this new BMW is following some old BMW trends. -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From 321design at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:14:30 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:14:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC two thirds of the way down is bikes also car bus and truck In-Reply-To: <4B6DB923.6090304@argolis.org> References: <3f2b32881002060622v7d30b39w5fea3752a945716a@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002060658k26458e74y876409c65962bfe7@mail.gmail.com> <4B6DB923.6090304@argolis.org> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002061214v7cc7558ey1ba89ae0236fe7af@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > > He's probably talking about the Fox, which comes in 'Urban' trim with a 1.2L > engine making 54HP. ?I doubt they'd sell well in the US. > Fox: 54.3 MPG highway is good, top sped of 91MPH 0-62 17.5 seconds would be a hard sell in the US I agree. Sold in Latin America and Europe for about 12K from what I saw here: http://www.mapsofworld.com/referrals/cars/small-cars/subcompact-cars/volkswagen-fox.html Would I buy one? Donno. -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:35:16 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:35:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC two thirds of the way down is bikes also car bus and truck In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002061214v7cc7558ey1ba89ae0236fe7af@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002060622v7d30b39w5fea3752a945716a@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002060658k26458e74y876409c65962bfe7@mail.gmail.com> <4B6DB923.6090304@argolis.org> <74d2fbe11002061214v7cc7558ey1ba89ae0236fe7af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/6/10, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > > > > > He's probably talking about the Fox, which comes in 'Urban' trim with a 1.2L > > engine making 54HP. I doubt they'd sell well in the US. > > > > > Fox: 54.3 MPG highway is good, top sped of 91MPH 0-62 17.5 seconds > would be a hard sell in the US I agree. Sold in Latin America and > Europe for about 12K from what I saw here: > http://www.mapsofworld.com/referrals/cars/small-cars/subcompact-cars/volkswagen-fox.html > Would I buy one? Donno. How many people here had a original VW Bug? The one with the 4 cyl Boxer engine. If you did, do you remember the top end, and acceleration? And the fuel economy was no where near 50mpg. But they sold a LOT of them. Changing expectations. Go back and look at the WPTZ video about the "Miracle of 1955". Watch the cars. No power steering for cornering those days. I have not done it in this car, but in others on a long steep hill killed the ignition, pumped the brakes to bleed off the boost and then steered down the hill w/ no assist, and slowed at the bottom with no boost. Its different. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From pasegc at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:45:23 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:45:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Snow Ratios In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM, James A. Sterling wrote: > Just to share.. > Temperature against water only shown for 1 inch of water > > ? ? ? ?Temperature in degrees F > Water 34 to 28 ?27 to 20 ?19 to 15 ?14 to 10 ? 9 to 0 ?-1 to -20 -21 to -40 > > 1.00 ? ? 10.0 ? ? ?15.0 ? ? ?20.0 ? ? ?30.0 ? ? 40.0 ? ? ?50.0 ? ? ?100.0 > > And this is from the government so we know it is right > > http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/tables/snowfall-meltwater.html > > Something else to talk about.. Another static that has been measured and > verified on several different sites.. ?Might even be good data > Sorry guys, didn't mean to start this oil thread. All's I can say is He puts it here and I pay to have it taken away. Now where the hell are the "guacamole's" as my neighbor refers to the shoveling crew. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA From gary5410 at aol.com Sat Feb 6 21:14:57 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:14:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] turtle soup Message-ID: <8CC758891C91159-29D4-13C35@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> I'm sitting in Mother's in New Orleans. Saturday's special is turtle soup.....you were looking...here you go! Gary From 321design at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:23:10 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:23:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] turtle soup In-Reply-To: <8CC758891C91159-29D4-13C35@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC758891C91159-29D4-13C35@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002061323t5f82ec4eqcadf8b8a570be86d@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Gary Christman wrote: > I'm sitting in Mother's in New Orleans. Saturday's special is turtle > soup.....you were looking...here you go! > Gary > Have an oyster po'boy; as I recall, Mother's makes some of the best. While I'm on the subject of food in New Orleans, please go to Willy Maes Scotch House for what I hear is the best fried chicken around. (504) 822-9503 2401 Saint Ann St New Orleans, LA 70119 -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From 321design at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:28:53 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:28:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mac Pac philosophy on food, drinking and fitness Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002061328i3a311c5em5f18bd8198c7b244@mail.gmail.com> Q: Doctor, I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true? A: Your heart is only good for so many beats, and that's it... don't waste them on exercise. Everything wears out eventually. Speeding up your heart will not make you live longer; that's like saying you can extend the life of your car by driving it faster. Want to live longer? Take a nap. Q: Should I cut down on meat and eat more fruits and vegetables? A: You must grasp logistical efficiencies. What does a cow eat? Hay and corn. And what are these? Vegetables. So a steak is nothing more than an efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain? Eat chicken. Beef is also a good source of field grass (green leafy vegetable). And a pork chop can give you 100% of your recommended daily allowance of vegetable products. Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake? A: No, not at all. Wine is made from fruit. Brandy is distilled wine, that means they take the water out of the fruity bit so you get even more of the goodness that way. Beer is also made out of grain. Bottoms up! Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio? A: Well, if you have a body and you have fat, your ratio is one to one. If you have two bodies, your ratio is two to one, etc. Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program? A: Can't think of a single one, sorry. My philosophy is: No Pain...Good! Q: Aren't fried foods bad for you? A: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!! ..... Foods are fried these days in vegetable oil. In fact, they're permeated in it. How could getting more vegetables be bad for you? Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around themiddle? A: Definitely not! When you exercise a muscle, it gets bigger. You should only be doing sit-ups if you want a bigger stomach. Q: Is chocolate bad for me? A: Are you crazy? HELLO Cocoa beans ! Another vegetable!!! It's the best feel-good food around! Q: Is swimming good for your figure? A: If swimming is good for your figure, explain whales to me. Q: Is getting in-shape important for my lifestyle? A: Hey! 'Round' is a shape! Well, I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets. And remember: 'Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO, What a Ride' AND..... For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting nutritional studies. 1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans. 2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans. 3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans. 4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans. 5. The Germans drink a lot of beers and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans. CONCLUSION Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you. -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From pasegc at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:29:45 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:29:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Electrician Message-ID: Anyone out there, I need an electrician that is able to work in Uwchlan Township. Need to install a second panel box and two 220V lines in my sons home. If it is not you but you can recommend someone I would be most aprreciative. We have a water treatment system being installed and it requires 220V service. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:44:22 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:44:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I wonder if they would take Richard Glascock as and ambassador? Message-ID: http://salem-news.com/articles/january242010/big_dick.php (WS, really) Probably would not like his nickname of "Crystal Dick" at all. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jaburke4 at verizon.net Sat Feb 6 21:45:20 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:45:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snowy Saturday funny. Message-ID: What do you call the snow the municipal plows pile up in front of your drive way? Ready for this? Plow manure!!!!! John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:51:01 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:51:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> Just remember that "SAE Corrected Horsepower" is not real horsepower. It's a horsepower projection in which the numbers are cheated upward by the computer if any atmospheric circumstances are not optimum. Don't believe anything in print! Opinions are for rent! Ride! Then Decide! Dano From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 21:59:28 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:59:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/6/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > Just remember that "SAE Corrected Horsepower" is not real horsepower. > > It's a horsepower projection in which the numbers are cheated upward > by the computer if any atmospheric circumstances are not optimum. Ummm... Not really. The correction can reduce the "indicated" horsepower. Indicated Horsepower at 32F atmospheric and sea level will be more the Horsepower at 95 degrees at sea level. It takes it to a "comparable" value at some standard conditions when you are not taking measurements at those standard conditions. The standard conditions are agreed on by some group of people as being appropriate. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 6 22:33:49 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:33:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6DEE4D.6020006@argolis.org> Dan Whitfield wrote: > Just remember that "SAE Corrected Horsepower" is not real horsepower. > > It's a horsepower projection in which the numbers are cheated upward > by the computer if any atmospheric circumstances are not optimum. > > Don't believe anything in print! Opinions are for rent! > > Ride! Then Decide! Dynos are variable, and like torque wrenches need to be calibrated. But, on the second page in the forum thread, they have the numbers for a 2009 GSXR1000 on the same dyno, and the Beemer beats it handily. It doesn't say if they were run back to back, so there still may be some variation there. From mjcantwe at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 00:09:03 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:09:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <03a301caa75d$244c2e90$4101a8c0@FastHP> References: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> <03a301caa75d$244c2e90$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002061609m70783c61m4a731c845f28f00b@mail.gmail.com> Time to make quinzee's!! From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 00:13:16 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:13:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002061609m70783c61m4a731c845f28f00b@mail.gmail.com> References: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> <03a301caa75d$244c2e90$4101a8c0@FastHP> <8bafeb801002061609m70783c61m4a731c845f28f00b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/6/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: > Time to make quinzee's!! I thought of that today as I was shoveling snow onto the existing and saw a large area suddenly "whump" down. The stuff was rather light and fluffiish, and not the cement we frequently get. I think we need a bit of melt and settle time, or stomp layers down as you build the pile. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 01:04:35 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:04:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Don't try to drink a bat under the table Message-ID: or out of the air. http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/science/~3/NbLZzaN0aC4/not-getting-drunk-has-some-advantages-who-knew.ars (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From 321design at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 02:41:21 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:41:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] On the way to the track? Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002061841r4cce4737r725c44b6b39017ec@mail.gmail.com> http://thereifixedit.com/page/59/ 2nd photo down.. This is my new time hog sight - like a car crash, I can't help but look. -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From willweir at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 02:48:54 2010 From: willweir at gmail.com (Will Weir) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 21:48:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <4B6D4A80.9080606@infionline.net> References: <4B6CD60A.7050106@argolis.org> <4B6CB26A.23649.5D3F9CF@localhost> <4B6D4A80.9080606@infionline.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Jay Wassall wrote: >>> > 22" in Lancaster at 5am > > -Jay > And yet up here my snowmobile sits idle. Not enough snow to ride. Boo. BOO!!! From sherwoodmanor at rcn.com Sun Feb 7 03:00:11 2010 From: sherwoodmanor at rcn.com (SherwoodManor) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:00:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Storm of the Century of the Month UPDATE! In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> References: <0AE52C748E814BCE918053D85E7B99A8@Tekki> <8296f6de1002061026g7a406090p1e2b327525d0aee6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6E2CBB.5060605@rcn.com> Macungie/Emmaus...maybe 8 inches. And someone even did my walkway and sidewalk for me. Chris Jaccairno From sherwoodmanor at rcn.com Sun Feb 7 03:03:10 2010 From: sherwoodmanor at rcn.com (SherwoodManor) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:03:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <8D4BA85C963E4339B0B752E0FBB7463E@9200c> References: <8D4BA85C963E4339B0B752E0FBB7463E@9200c> Message-ID: <4B6E2D6E.7020207@rcn.com> Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello all, > > From: "Brian Curry" > >> http://www.wmrra.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63373#post63373 > > Kudos to BMW for making the numbers. A friend of mine who has raced > semi-pro, and always owned Asian sportbikes, told me about his lust for the > S1000RR, and its competitive purchase price. I suggested he look into the > cost of maintenance and repairs, just in case this new BMW is following some > old BMW trends. > . The one thing that will be interesting to see is if all the S1000RR makes the same power (so far I have seen two dyno charts for them 185 and 186 rwhp) or is BMW sneaking in a few early ones with some hand built motors or whatever. I'm impressed. Maybe I will own a BMW...you never know. Chris Jaccarino From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:06:41 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:06:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4B6E2D6E.7020207@rcn.com> References: <8D4BA85C963E4339B0B752E0FBB7463E@9200c> <4B6E2D6E.7020207@rcn.com> Message-ID: On 2/6/10, SherwoodManor wrote: > built motors or whatever. I'm impressed. Maybe I will own a BMW...you > never know. Don't do it Chris. Darkness, Pestilence and Chaos will spread across the land... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jasiii at earthlink.net Sun Feb 7 03:18:17 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:18:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here Message-ID: <33474763.1265512698143.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm impressed. Maybe I will own a BMW...you never know. > >Chris Jaccarino >_______________________________________________ OMG.. Did I just read what I thought I read ?? Chris buying a BMW ??? The world is getting ready to end... I need to buy another gun and more gold.. Jim (shocked in Delaware) James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:33:21 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:33:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Anton got a bit of snow.... Message-ID: There's moto content here too! WS. http://www.largiader.com/album/thumbnails.php?album=14 -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:34:14 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:34:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nothing like an airhead engine to power up your snow blower. Message-ID: No coolant that way!!! http://www.ibmwr.org/r-tech/airheads/snowblower.shtml (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From mrmevans at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:44:40 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:44:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] On the way to the track? In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002061841r4cce4737r725c44b6b39017ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002061841r4cce4737r725c44b6b39017ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002061944u25c0a34dnd19694adf18cd31c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > http://thereifixedit.com/page/59/ > > 2nd photo down.. > Direct image link: http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/tifi-trailerrental.jpg -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 04:28:32 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:28:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: That car "runs on code" Message-ID: as in software code. Interesting article about how much of the value of a car is in the software it takes to run it. http://news.discovery.com/tech/toyota-recall-software-code.html (WS) Damn high value. Cars are even being totaled cause it would cost to much to "fix" or potentially fix the electronic control units Related article about the electronics that run the Hybrid Yukon. (Scroll down about 1/4 of the way to the article on it. http://spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/advanced-cars/top-10-tech-cars-of-2007/0 (WS) Rather amazing how they integrate the electric motors INTO the transmission. I suspect that credit card mechanicing will not be optional but required. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From t42 at pobox.com Sun Feb 7 08:42:51 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:42:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Cool feature in gmail, "Mail Goggles" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wayne Woodruff wrote: > I really don't want a computer monitoring my activity and challenging > me unless medically necessary. This sounds 'Big Brotherish". Given the willingness -- nay, eagerness --with which half the world has adopted gmail, which reads, categorizes, archives, and analyzes everything you send and receive (without the consent of the other parties to the correspondence), your objection seems quaint and anachronistic. What should really frighten you is stuff like Google Goggles (http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=166331). I don't think most people have a clue of the terrifying amount of data mining that Google does, and the computing power with which they do it. The possibilities, when (not if) it falls into the wrong hands -- which might include the hands of future Google executives with looser values - -- are limited only by your imagination. It is deeply disturbing to me how few people seem bothered by this. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLbn0LAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2UZwH/AtZOfFYkWjRk7i2PZUYXWRI F6sDCwleZYfAgJNEwt0RdUBboQAFgLeoT0/0NKSsb7raG5yDH0eOCRbpdx67zwPU O8i1U+0g0wqz9S4ylkT1vAy0IkvQlJHJMfZ4oBWXQceafVPueRsnOf54Rsnk/oz5 OszouZiasXlhQM+NOnM6oPHepXNSnh1fJRjhJXcGS94gtCrEAZFTSfHwvrJAR6fh umxjtSS3hAO89Fp1WrXAy464XDEI/Jw2SjvEJGCjZwSTULd0mJmreiqvCzCo+46B dT5b8EmTiRHxTVag0payPH7UWKzvLeOcL/6uB9qFlsamY035vtZFBZQp4fkmqCI= =MNDr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rys at R2Controls.com Sun Feb 7 15:14:16 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:14:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: That car "runs on code" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a701caa808$374dc9d0$a5e95d70$@com> This reminds me of the "software" problem I had on my R1200GSA: On a hot summer day on the way back from the BMW rally in TN this past July, My brother and I stopped for fuel on the last exit on the Jersey turnpike (Vince Lombardi rest stop). After filling the bike I cranked the starter while cracking the throttle (should have just waited until it started before throttle) and the very loud backfire blew the bellows off the right side throttle valve and got the attention of a lot of people stopped at the pumps. It did sound a bit like a gun shot. As the bike stayed running, I then drove the bike away from the pump. After relatively complete inspections and re-assembly in the parking lot, there was no damage, but the bike ran like crap. It idled OK and would run under partial load OK, but would bog under hard throttle. It somehow got stuck in "Limp Mode". After determining that my BMW warrantee would not tow me home and my AAA plus would not really get me there either, with considerable trepidation, we decided to ride it over the GW bridge in limp mode in hopes of getting within the 100 mile AAA-plus tow home. As it turned out I was banished to the right lane but managed to make it home OK (Mansfield, MA). Once I got it home, I re-checked everything to no avail. Throttle cable play OK, and synched the lift off the seat. Checked D/P left to right side - it was a bit off but not so far off. Checked plugs - they were new and OK Checked fuel injector - good spray pattern - seemed OK Removed and disassembled the throttle body removing the throttle plate to check it was straight. I do not have a CAN-BUS code reader so I could not check for codes. Still running in "Limp Mode" So I called the dealer "Dunbar Eurosport" and made an appointment. As they would re-synch the throttles, I first adjusted the valves, and I also decided to install the new fuse distribution box that I bought at the rally. I had to disconnect the battery for the final tie ins. After putting the whole thing back together, I thought I would take a test ride. To my amazement the bogging was gone. i.e. Fixed?? My take is this. When I blew off the throttle body the right side was sucking only air, and the O2 sensor measured a lean mix setting some code in the engine. The Motronic then unsuccessfully tried to fix this and made the mix rich. I then repaired the popped throttle, but the system was initially too rich and this set another code and locked up the O2 trim part of the fuel injection aka "Limp Mode". Only when I disconnected the battery to install the new fuse panel did the Motronic reset the fuel injection back to normal. Kind of like Microsoft - When in doubt reboot!! Rick Rys 2006 R1200 GSA From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 7 16:00:12 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:00:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT-IT: VM vs. Native In-Reply-To: References: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B6EE38C.1070903@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: >> [0] Unlike many self-professed experts[1], I have no problem with Vista. >> Many of those experts LOVE Windows 7, which is really Vista SP3. I >> find that amusing. > > My reading, no experience, is that the UI got a bit better. The Windows 7 UI has changed a little (probably for the better) in the area of the task bar and grouping of programs, but other than that most if it is kinda inconsequential. One neat (but not really needed) is you can rotate backgrounds every X minutes. That 'snap' commercial (with the dude in the shower, BTW, drives me nuts since you can do that more efficiently by clicking on the task bar and selecting 'tile vertically'. They moved everything around in the control panel again, so it's still no easier to figure out where they hid things. Someone told me recently many of the memory and slowness issues in Vista were due to a memory leak in the sidebar (that thing that the clock and whatnot are in on the right). I always turned that off fairly quickly, so that may well be why I never saw the performance issues others did. From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:19:08 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:19:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/6/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: >> Just remember that "SAE Corrected Horsepower" is not real horsepower. > Ummm... ?Not really. ?The correction can reduce the "indicated" horsepower. > > Indicated Horsepower at 32F atmospheric and sea level will be more the > Horsepower at 95 degrees at sea level. > > It takes it to a "comparable" value at some standard conditions when > you are not taking measurements at those standard conditions. ?The > standard conditions are agreed on by some group of people as being > appropriate. Here we go again! Some group of people deciding that we don't deserve DATA. We deserve homogenized information that says what they want it to. I have learned from bitter experience that cycle magazines (and Dyno operators) are more than willing to stretch the truth for a buck. I wouldn't bet a nickle on this new BMW superbike untill it has seen action for at least a year. Remember what happened with the last one?? But it's your trip. Drink the koolaid and go for it. Dano From rdlebout at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:17:16 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:17:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT this guy would pass me on the turns Message-ID: <3f2b32881002070917v18a96934x899bdebde77e9955@mail.gmail.com> http://www.biketube.info/body-skating-unbelievable/ -- Bobby LeBoutillier From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:26:07 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:26:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > On 2/6/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > > It takes it to a "comparable" value at some standard conditions when > > you are not taking measurements at those standard conditions. The > > standard conditions are agreed on by some group of people as being > > appropriate. > > > > Here we go again! > > Some group of people deciding that we don't deserve DATA. OK. How would YOU compare the HP values done by one organization in Denver CO, done in the winter and another done in Miami FL during the hot humid summer? > We deserve homogenized information that says what they want it to. Wrong. "Standard" conditions are standard conditions. You can get into pissing matches over different standard conditions. What the Germans versus the 'murican figure are the best. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:30:27 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:30:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT-IT: VM vs. Native In-Reply-To: <4B6EE38C.1070903@argolis.org> References: <4B6C5614.5090008@argolis.org> <4B6EE38C.1070903@argolis.org> Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > > > [0] Unlike many self-professed experts[1], I have no problem with > Vista. > > > Many of those experts LOVE Windows 7, which is really Vista SP3. I > > > find that amusing. > > > > > > > My reading, no experience, is that the UI got a bit better. > They moved everything around in the control panel again, so it's still no > easier to figure out where they hid things. I think they changed the UAC a bit so that it is not quite so annoying. That if you are there and clicked key you REALLY did want to do that. > whatnot are in on the right). I always turned that off fairly quickly, so > that may well be why I never saw the performance issues others did. One of my first things in the "new OSs" is to turn off anything that slows down the appearance or disappearance of something. I am NOT impressed with what someone thinks is artsy fartsy. Although it is getting to about that being the big major changes. >From the user perspective. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 7 17:36:01 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:36:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6EFA01.3000401@argolis.org> Dan Whitfield wrote: > Here we go again! > > Some group of people deciding that we don't deserve DATA. > > We deserve homogenized information that says what they want it to. > > I have learned from bitter experience that cycle magazines (and Dyno > operators) are more than willing to stretch the truth for a buck. > > I wouldn't bet a nickle on this new BMW superbike untill it has seen > action for at least a year. Like the season it has already spent in world superbike? It didn't exactly tear up the circuit, but then again it wasn't running against 600cc bikes, either. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:39:00 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:39:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: That car "runs on code" In-Reply-To: <00a701caa808$374dc9d0$a5e95d70$@com> References: <00a701caa808$374dc9d0$a5e95d70$@com> Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Rick Rys wrote: > This reminds me of the "software" problem I had on my R1200GSA: > throttle) and the very loud backfire blew the bellows off the right side > throttle valve and got the attention of a lot of people stopped at the > pumps. It did sound a bit like a gun shot. As the bike stayed running, I > then drove the bike away from the pump. > amazement the bogging was gone. i.e. Fixed?? My take is this. > > When I blew off the throttle body the right side was sucking only air, and > the O2 sensor measured a lean mix setting some code in the engine. The > Motronic then unsuccessfully tried to fix this and made the mix rich. I > then repaired the popped throttle, but the system was initially too rich and > this set another code and locked up the O2 trim part of the fuel injection > aka "Limp Mode". Only when I disconnected the battery to install the new > fuse panel did the Motronic reset the fuel injection back to normal. Kind of > like Microsoft - When in doubt reboot!! You can get the Moronic wedged and powering it down and back up will "fix" it. I got high shaman value by passing my hands over a K bike unplugging the Moronic, and repluggging it. "The way it is...." Ya gotta know the "right chant". -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:40:37 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:40:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/7/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Brian Curry wrote: >> ?> On 2/6/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > >> ?> It takes it to a "comparable" value at some standard conditions when >> ?> you are not taking measurements at those standard conditions. ?The >> ?> standard conditions are agreed on by some group of people as being >> ?> appropriate. >> >> >> >> Here we go again! >> >> ?Some group of people deciding that we don't deserve DATA. > > OK. ?How would YOU compare the HP values done by one organization in > Denver CO, done in the winter and another done in Miami FL during the > hot humid summer? > >> ?We deserve homogenized ?information that says what they want it to. > > Wrong. > > "Standard" conditions are standard conditions. > > You can get into pissing matches over different standard conditions. > What the Germans versus the 'murican figure are the best. OK Brian, you win. We have no right to expect to see the "actual horsepower data." Dano From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 7 17:45:25 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:45:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: That car "runs on code" In-Reply-To: References: <00a701caa808$374dc9d0$a5e95d70$@com> Message-ID: <4B6EFC35.9010005@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > You can get the Moronic wedged and powering it down and back up will "fix" it. > > I got high shaman value by passing my hands over a K bike unplugging > the Moronic, and repluggging it. > > "The way it is...." Ya gotta know the "right chant". > Note that oilheads should have a fuse for the computer, you'd just have to pull that if the battery is in an inconvenient place. I hear the R1200 bikes don't have fuse boxes, so I don't know how to help you there. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 17:58:32 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:58:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > On 2/7/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > >> > On 2/6/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > > > >> > It takes it to a "comparable" value at some standard conditions when > >> > you are not taking measurements at those standard conditions. The > >> > standard conditions are agreed on by some group of people as being > >> > appropriate. > >> > >> > >> > >> Here we go again! > >> > >> Some group of people deciding that we don't deserve DATA. > > > > OK. How would YOU compare the HP values done by one organization in > > Denver CO, done in the winter and another done in Miami FL during the > > hot humid summer? > > > >> We deserve homogenized information that says what they want it to. > > > > Wrong. > > > > "Standard" conditions are standard conditions. > > > > You can get into pissing matches over different standard conditions. > > What the Germans versus the 'murican figure are the best. > > > > OK Brian, you win. We have no right to expect to see the "actual > horsepower data." No. I want to know what YOUR definition of "actual" horsepower is. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:04:40 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:04:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video Message-ID: I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y I'm not sure that everyone can view it. The camera created a 250meg .AVI file, which I guess is intended for Apple QuickTime players. How can I share it? I have a Flickr account, but it only accepts 10meg max videos I joined YouTube. It's allowing me to upload the file (takes about 15 mins on my FiOS), but it recommends that I should have converted to MPEG first. Still, the result plays OK for me from the web. I started looking into free video converters, like MovAvi, but it looks like it won't really be free. Also is there any downside of posting videos to YouTube? I don't care who sees it as long as it's shareable with family and friends. TIA for any advice. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From jasiii at earthlink.net Sun Feb 7 18:14:45 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:14:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video Message-ID: <5468989.1265566485627.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video > >I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling >it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y > >I'm not sure that everyone can view it. > >TIA for any advice. > >Doug Raymond works fine for me .. Macintosh using Firefox.. Sound is a bit low but Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From gmruddy at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:18:25 2010 From: gmruddy at gmail.com (Gavin Ruddy) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:18:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3688fa11002071018n4d96387dmdd0d26093849afd0@mail.gmail.com> www.phanfare.com I uploaded an eight minute video to it, to share with my family and it worked good. Gavin Ruddy Gilbertsville, PA 2002 K1200RS From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:20:58 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:20:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: <3688fa11002071018n4d96387dmdd0d26093849afd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3688fa11002071018n4d96387dmdd0d26093849afd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Gavin Ruddy wrote: > www.phanfare.com > > I uploaded an eight minute video to it, to share with my family and it > worked good. > Looks good but $50/year is high for my needs. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From 321design at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:21:40 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:21:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002071021t7ce8012cq7d1e3133fd38d590@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Doug Raymond wrote: > I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling > it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y > > I'm not sure that everyone can view it. Doug, Whatever you did worked. You shoveled your whole driveway? Who needs a gym. Nice ride documentary, I look forward to your book detailing your journey and the presentation at Hermy's. Will there be free food? -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 7 18:28:44 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:28:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B6F065C.4070107@argolis.org> Doug Raymond wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y Works for me, but I think youtube is doing the video conversion for you. > The camera created a 250meg .AVI file, which I guess is intended for > Apple QuickTime players. AVI (I think) was a Mircosoft format, but .AVI is just a framework for a small header that has some info on the video and the codec used to create it, and the video data. It's widely used. > I started looking into free video converters, like MovAvi, but it > looks like it won't really be free. You may want to check out Virtual Dub. It can read and write several formats based on what codecs you have installed on your PC. http://www.virtualdub.org/ To get the video size down, you're looking to reduce the frame rate, size, and/or codec. Different codecs do better jobs at compressing the video, sometimes by trading off video quality. Divx/xvid are popular on video downloads since it's fairly high quality and fairly small. > Also is there any downside of posting videos to YouTube? I don't care > who sees it as long as it's shareable with family and friends. I've heard youtube's quality isn't as good as other sites, but I've seen some pretty good videos on there. Just about any sharing site is going to claim ownership of the content, so if it gets picked out for 'World's most daring motorcycle videos VIII', they'll claim a cut or all of any royalties. From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:29:45 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:29:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Riding out the driveway today [was: upload video advice] Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Doug Raymond > wrote: >> I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling >> it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y >> >> I'm not sure that everyone can view it. > > > Doug, > > Whatever you did worked. You shoveled your whole driveway? Who needs a gym. > > Nice ride documentary, I look forward to your book detailing your > journey and the presentation at Hermy's. Will there be free food? > > It's the second time this year I shovelled down to the road, the width of my girlfriend's Honda CR-V. It's not much of a ride, I'm just impatient for the ice on the roads to melt so I can go places. Changing the subject line now to not be OT. Thanks for feedback. Here's the link again, please let me know if anyone can't view it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From 321design at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:39:13 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:39:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Cool feature in gmail, "Mail Goggles" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002071039t7d8a7cbcs9f6f42d647aada2f@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:42 AM, David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Wayne Woodruff wrote: > > > I don't think most people have a clue of the terrifying amount of data > mining that Google does, and the computing power with which they do it. > The possibilities, when (not if) it falls into the wrong hands -- which > might include the hands of future Google executives with looser values > - -- are limited only by your imagination. > > It is deeply disturbing to me how few people seem bothered by this. I was using Google Documents for a budgeting spread sheet for a while but stopped because I didn't like the idea of the data being easily accessible to the whims of Google. Too late now since I used it. But I'm not going to continue. Found one that I use locally on my PC. A 20 something guy at work has more trust sending his personal data out to the clouds. I have a discussion / argument with him about this security issue he says it's OK, I say I don't trust some site with all my financial info. He uses a site called Mint which you give all your bank, credit card, bill info and they provide tracking on you expenditures. Not for me, doesn't feel right at all. -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From chrisjac at ptd.net Sun Feb 7 18:46:34 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:46:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002071021t7ce8012cq7d1e3133fd38d590@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002071021t7ce8012cq7d1e3133fd38d590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6F0A8A.1000604@ptd.net> Rob Haut wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Doug Raymond > wrote: > >> I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling >> it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y >> >> I'm not sure that everyone can view it. >> > > > Doug, > > Whatever you did worked. You shoveled your whole driveway? Who needs a gym. > > Nice ride documentary, I look forward to your book detailing your > journey and the presentation at Hermy's. Will there be free food? > > > 1500' of driveway by hand? You're an animal. Hey, u interested in a snowblower...9 hp, 26 inch cut, $400. Chris Jaccarino From t42 at pobox.com Sun Feb 7 19:25:24 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 11:25:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Cool feature in gmail, "Mail Goggles" In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002071039t7d8a7cbcs9f6f42d647aada2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002071039t7d8a7cbcs9f6f42d647aada2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rob Haut wrote: > He uses a site called Mint which you give all your > bank, credit card, bill info and they provide tracking on you > expenditures. Not for me, doesn't feel right at all. Wow. Just ... wow. If the government was openly collecting all this data, people would notice and object ... yet it's all just one warrantless wiretap from a done deal (remember the telecom immunity act?). The tumblers will fall into position after some major fear-inducing event, and there'll be no going back. Meanwhile, less dramatically, sites like the one you describe provide a one-stop hacking shop for identity theft. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLbxOkAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl23ZIIAJrnTdMoKrtwOUK0wCQveSNh /Kh4ADMvNxsXPPaVPIHU9XIrUpK5a8KKSwFG6bKQwE3nIZO4BgCf7FT5DxkmH8ry l7UVtts5u/WT7Qv3ssj+izLi/zdqMbDnLOietddEtF7rLQ/Tpq62B5CLei2woITH uwhg/r1JL3PUnyHwceg9OHkiC4VaRay0zHYBEsVSjfBVztCyeYvm4a1tfOu4aDzI zi/laeQSfc64k4lEjS+EUqhmZXm1cRYRu1oWqsxm2Q3aOovWdBWFopFZj76eVGrF IxZ38Fz7PoY0i08j27SEZuOiIS3f9+NaChT704FqHt9Xc38vvHMVfSEZmyVmurc= =4C4l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rdlebout at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 19:43:58 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:43:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT snow should be another color Message-ID: <3f2b32881002071143h1605b8e9s5a523a9a513e03d8@mail.gmail.com> Snow is too evil to be pure white. http://picasaweb.google.com/rdlebout/Greenhouse?authkey=Gv1sRgCIrDrLuur4SFjgE&feat=directlink one of five greenhouses -- Bobby LeBoutillier From rdlebout at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 20:17:50 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:17:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC KTM electric motorcycle Message-ID: <3f2b32881002071217s1ff2c5ceq2b3b162261ad1040@mail.gmail.com> I wonder what this bike weighs http://ktmelectricmotorcycle.com/ who will be next -- Bobby LeBoutillier From wayne at 2zars.com Sun Feb 7 20:22:57 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:22:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT snow should be another color In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002071143h1605b8e9s5a523a9a513e03d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002071143h1605b8e9s5a523a9a513e03d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >Snow is too evil to be pure white. > >http://picasaweb.google.com/rdlebout/Greenhouse?authkey=Gv1sRgCIrDrLuur4SFjgE&feat=directlink >one of five greenhouses Ouch. I saw on the news that a series of porch roofs on some row houses in Philly collapsed under the weight of the snow. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From rdlebout at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 20:34:38 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:34:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC UK Motorcycle Awareness Message-ID: <3f2b32881002071234od3e5ad9gfb5a3423b86e32cc@mail.gmail.com> Not Work Safe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnqUMmMQ6Q4 -- Bobby LeBoutillier From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 20:39:07 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:39:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002071239s5b4e49c3m7808e1e007a7cd14@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/7/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Brian Curry wrote: >> ?> On 2/7/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: >> ?>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Brian Curry wrote: >> ?>> ?> On 2/6/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: >> ?> >> ?>> ?> It takes it to a "comparable" value at some standard conditions when >> ?>> ?> you are not taking measurements at those standard conditions. ?The >> ?>> ?> standard conditions are agreed on by some group of people as being >> ?>> ?> appropriate. >> ?>> >> ?>> >> ?>> >> ?>> Here we go again! >> ?>> >> ?>> ?Some group of people deciding that we don't deserve DATA. >> ?> >> ?> OK. ?How would YOU compare the HP values done by one organization in >> ?> Denver CO, done in the winter and another done in Miami FL during the >> ?> hot humid summer? >> ?> >> ?>> ?We deserve homogenized ?information that says what they want it to. >> ?> >> ?> Wrong. >> ?> >> ?> "Standard" conditions are standard conditions. >> ?> >> ?> You can get into pissing matches over different standard conditions. >> ?> What the Germans versus the 'murican figure are the best. >> >> >> >> OK Brian, you win. We have no right to expect to see the "actual >> ?horsepower data." > > No. ?I want to know what YOUR definition of "actual" horsepower is. The way we did it on my father's marine dyno was to run the engine up to max RPM while dialing in LOAD (which was provided by a hydraulic pump hooked to prop shaft, which was choked by turning a ball cock valve) then read maximum LOAD on a PSI gauge while also noting RPM. Then use the dyno company supplied chart to convert PSI to Torque. Then multiply Torque times RPM. Divide that by 5252. This would yield actual Horsepower. No fudge factors for anything. Just DATA. Dano From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 20:55:01 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:55:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4431121002071255s74eb8468qc0bd06d136363c15@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Doug Raymond wrote: > I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling > it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y > > I'm not sure that everyone can view it. > > The camera created a 250meg .AVI file, which I guess is intended for > Apple QuickTime players. > > How can I share it? > I have a Flickr account, but it only accepts 10meg max videos > I joined YouTube. ?It's allowing me to upload the file (takes about 15 > mins on my FiOS), but it recommends that I should have converted to > MPEG first. Still, the result plays OK for me from the web. > > I started looking into free video converters, like MovAvi, but it > looks like it won't really be free. > > Also is there any downside of posting videos to YouTube? ?I don't care > who sees it as long as it's shareable with family and friends. > > TIA for any advice. > Doug Raymond Great movie Doug, Reminds me of the movie "Fargo. Dano From reopropf at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 21:03:51 2010 From: reopropf at gmail.com (Peter Frechie) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:03:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Riding out the driveway today [was: upload video advice] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug is a nut. Only a nut would shovel all of that snow and then go for a very short mc ride in 20 degree temp. I am a nut too, in my own right. I guess that's a mac pac creed, be nutty. the best to you ALL, dr. Peter On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Doug Raymond >> wrote: >>> I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling >>> it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y >>> >>> I'm not sure that everyone can view it. >> >> >> Doug, >> >> Whatever you did worked. You shoveled your whole driveway? Who needs a gym. >> >> Nice ride documentary, I look forward to your book detailing your >> journey and the presentation at Hermy's. Will there be free food? >> >> > > It's the second time this year I shovelled down to the road, the width > of my girlfriend's Honda CR-V. > > It's not much of a ride, I'm just impatient for the ice on the roads > to melt so I can go places. > > Changing the subject line now to not be OT. > > Thanks for feedback. > > Here's the link again, please let me know if anyone can't view it. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y > > > > -- > -- --------------- > Doug Raymond > R1150RT '02 > Ambler, PA > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From mrmevans at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 21:16:26 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:16:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT this guy would pass me on the turns In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002070917v18a96934x899bdebde77e9955@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002070917v18a96934x899bdebde77e9955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002071316i2ffd5b4erc0307ecba59f4b98@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > http://www.biketube.info/body-skating-unbelievable/ > But only going downhill. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From rsorens at comcast.net Sun Feb 7 21:43:11 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 16:43:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC UK Motorcycle Awareness In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002071234od3e5ad9gfb5a3423b86e32cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >>>Not Work Safe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnqUMmMQ6Q4 New South Wales.....isn't that Oz? Rick From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 7 22:11:41 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:11:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002071239s5b4e49c3m7808e1e007a7cd14@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002071239s5b4e49c3m7808e1e007a7cd14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6F3A9D.4050306@argolis.org> Dan Whitfield wrote: > The way we did it on my father's marine dyno was to run the engine up > to max RPM while dialing in LOAD (which was provided by a hydraulic > pump hooked to prop shaft, which was choked by turning a ball cock > valve) then read maximum LOAD on a PSI gauge while also noting RPM. > > Then use the dyno company supplied chart to convert PSI to Torque. > Then multiply Torque times RPM. Divide that by 5252. This would yield > actual Horsepower. No fudge factors for anything. Just DATA. But that only works comparing bikes on the same day (or even within a period of one day), since environment (air temperature, etc.) affects the performance, no? I'm sure the guys were lining up on the cool, clear mornings so they could get better numbers for bragging rights. From fawudd at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 22:19:36 2010 From: fawudd at gmail.com (W Thompson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:19:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener Message-ID: Does anyone know what the correct name is for these little plastic fasteners ? TIA http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com/storage/post-images/2010/DSC00930.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265579373022 -- http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100207/7e966ebe/attachment.html From 321design at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 22:26:13 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:26:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:19 PM, W Thompson wrote: > Does anyone know what the correct name is for these little plastic fasteners > ? TIA > > http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com/storage/post-images/2010/DSC00930.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265579373022 Looks like a plastic pop rivet. I can't tell from the photo, is the stem hollow? -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From 321design at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 22:28:30 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:28:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002071428h426d9f9en9aa140436d087a4c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:19 PM, W Thompson wrote: >> Does anyone know what the correct name is for these little plastic fasteners >> ? TIA >> >> http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com/storage/post-images/2010/DSC00930.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265579373022 > > > Looks like a plastic pop rivet. ?I can't tell from the photo, is the > stem hollow? check out this site: http://www.itw-fastex.com/rivets.html -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From ironbt01 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 23:14:03 2010 From: ironbt01 at gmail.com (Greg Roberts) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:14:03 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002071428h426d9f9en9aa140436d087a4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002071428h426d9f9en9aa140436d087a4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a937ecc1002071514l1322933eq68721498d897f72d@mail.gmail.com> > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:19 PM, W Thompson wrote: > >> Does anyone know what the correct name is for these little plastic > fasteners > >> ? TIA > >> > >> > http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com/storage/post-images/2010/DSC00930.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265579373022 > > > > > > Looks like a plastic pop rivet. I can't tell from the photo, is the > > stem hollow? > > > check out this site: http://www.itw-fastex.com/rivets.html > > -- > Rob Haut > Thanks for the useful link, Rob. The first item listed looks like the linked picture from Mr. Thompson. And they look identical to the ones shipped with the mud flaps for my wife's Jeep Liberty. The screw-type further down the page are used a lot in Ford automobiles to secure the interior kick panels (bottom of the dash). And also (obligatory MC content) used to secure the inner fender on my Concours 1400. Greg Roberts Wadley, AL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100207/894b51a2/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 23:28:02 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:28:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC UK Motorcycle Awareness In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002071234od3e5ad9gfb5a3423b86e32cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: > >>>Not Work Safe > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnqUMmMQ6Q4 > > > New South Wales.....isn't that Oz? Yes, and that is the sanitized version. There is a full monty version. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 23:33:07 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:33:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4B6F3A9D.4050306@argolis.org> References: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070919q697a32cdy1d1d59184b890ccb@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002071239s5b4e49c3m7808e1e007a7cd14@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F3A9D.4050306@argolis.org> Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > Dan Whitfield wrote: > > > > The way we did it on my father's marine dyno was to run the engine up > > to max RPM while dialing in LOAD (which was provided by a hydraulic > > pump hooked to prop shaft, which was choked by turning a ball cock > > valve) then read maximum LOAD on a PSI gauge while also noting RPM. > > > > Then use the dyno company supplied chart to convert PSI to Torque. > > Then multiply Torque times RPM. Divide that by 5252. This would yield > > actual Horsepower. No fudge factors for anything. Just DATA. > > > > But that only works comparing bikes on the same day (or even within a > period of one day), since environment (air temperature, etc.) affects the > performance, no? I'm sure the guys were lining up on the cool, clear > mornings so they could get better numbers for bragging rights. Egzackerly. Or were you unaware that the readings you took during the winter were not comparable to those you took during the heat of the summer? That is the EXACT point of "some standard conditions". And someone somewhere figured out what the change in temp, humidity, altitude factors were. Wheter there were water pumps, alternators, fans and other "parasitic" loads attached and "proper" is a whole different discussion. But "standard" condition "readings" allow you to compare those crisp December readings to those 3PM July 4th readings and be USEFUL. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 23:40:30 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:40:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling > it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y > > I'm not sure that everyone can view it. > > The camera created a 250meg .AVI file, which I guess is intended for > Apple QuickTime players. > > How can I share it? > I have a Flickr account, but it only accepts 10meg max videos > I joined YouTube. It's allowing me to upload the file (takes about 15 > mins on my FiOS), but it recommends that I should have converted to > MPEG first. Still, the result plays OK for me from the web. As noted it "can be seen". It takes a while to load due to the file size being so large. There is a FREE from MSFT program that will take a LARGE, PIXEL RESOLUTION file and shrink it to a smaller pixel size and the file size will fall like a stone. The time to load will also fall like a stone, so everyone can see the goodness faster. I have used it and it does work fine and do what is desired. Just throwing it there is like the website with the displayed 150x100pixel picture that they throw the raw 3000x2000 pixel raw with low compression from the camera picture up on the server. You sit there waiting for a 4MB file to come down and display in what a 15KB file would have done peachy keen, and people would not be trying to stay awake while your page loads. Naturally 90% of the people have no clue why their page is slow to load. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 23:41:30 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:41:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT snow should be another color In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002071143h1605b8e9s5a523a9a513e03d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/7/10, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > >Snow is too evil to be pure white. > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/rdlebout/Greenhouse?authkey=Gv1sRgCIrDrLuur4SFjgE&feat=directlink > >one of five greenhouses > > > Ouch. Ouch is right. Would it have been possible to crank the piss out of the heat and melt it off was it falls rapidly? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jaburke4 at verizon.net Sun Feb 7 23:56:50 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:56:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Crap! John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 8 00:02:55 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:02:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002071428h426d9f9en9aa140436d087a4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B6F0E5F.1078.F0B2ECF@localhost> > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:19 PM, W Thompson wrote: > >> Does anyone know what the correct name is for these little plastic fasteners > >> ? TIA > >> > >> http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com/storage/post-images/2010/DSC00930.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265579373022 > > > > > > Looks like a plastic pop rivet. ?I can't tell from the photo, is the > > stem hollow? > > > check out this site: http://www.itw-fastex.com/rivets.html > These are used to hold the windshield onto the R90s fairing. the BMW fiche just calls it a rivet. I think a suitable generic term would be a plastic expansion rivet. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 8 00:41:33 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:41:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002061351x112b2948ldd944e6a513201dc@mail.gmail.com> References: Message-ID: <4B6F176D.32149.F2E8C41@localhost> > Just remember that "SAE Corrected Horsepower" is not real horsepower. > I beg to differ. The only way you could get more real would be to have a tug of war with a bunch of Clydesdales. > It's a horsepower projection in which the numbers are cheated upward > by the computer if any atmospheric circumstances are not optimum. > Correcting experimental data to compensate for known environmental effects is sound engineering practice. It allows you to filter out the day to day or location to location variations so you are comparing engines, not something else. This correction works. My friend Ziggy has a small dyno. He keeps an old motor around as a reality check. (it is not used for anything else) This engine typically repeats within 1% regardless of season once corrected for conditions. Without corrections the horsepower for the same engine is +/- 10%. The SAE standard temperature is 77F (25C). A fair amount of testing is done below this temperature, which means the corrected horsepower is LESS than the actual power developed during the test. Back in the day (1960s) the reported horsepower was SAE gross. This is for the engine w/o fan, alternator or water pump. In 1971 they changed this so the engine was "taxed" for the accessory loads that it would require when installed. The result was a ~20% drop in reported power. However, it was much closer to what the engine would put out under the hood. This change served to focus an appropriate amount of development into improved accessories. > Don't believe anything in print! Opinions are for rent! That is what advertised horsepower if for. > > Ride! Then Decide! Of course when ridden the horsepower is less. You pay more for this. It is called traction control. Ride Safe, Joe PS: Lots of traction control used this weekend. > > Dano > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > > --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 8 02:22:14 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:22:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> References: Message-ID: <4B6F2F06.4559.F8ABC99@localhost> > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > On 2/7/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > >> ?> On 2/6/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > > > >> ?> It takes it to a "comparable" value at some standard conditions when > >> ?> you are not taking measurements at those standard conditions. ?The > >> ?> standard conditions are agreed on by some group of people as being > >> ?> appropriate. > >> > >> > >> > >> Here we go again! snip... > > > >> ?We deserve homogenized ?information that says what they want it to. > > > > Wrong. > > > > "Standard" conditions are standard conditions. > > > > You can get into pissing matches over different standard conditions. > > What the Germans versus the 'murican figure are the best. > > > OK Brian, you win. We have no right to expect to see the "actual > horsepower data." Even the person taking the data should not be interested in the "actual data" as it is worthless. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From Braveirwin at aol.com Mon Feb 8 02:45:27 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:45:27 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video Message-ID: <129e1.7bd13d8d.38a0d4c7@aol.com> In a message dated 2/7/2010 1:04:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y I'm not sure that everyone can view it. ======================================= The video came through for me just fine. Good job on two wheels and on the shovel! Roddy Irwin, Arborist of Berks County '92 K 75 RT '85 R 80 RT '74 CB 200 T and assorted dirt bikes. From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 8 02:52:31 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:52:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: <4B6F0E5F.1078.F0B2ECF@localhost> References: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F0E5F.1078.F0B2ECF@localhost> Message-ID: <4B6F7C6F.4080500@ptd.net> Joe Dille wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:19 PM, W Thompson wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone know what the correct name is for these little plastic fasteners >>>> ? TIA >>>> >>>> http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com/storage/post-images/2010/DSC00930.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265579373022 >>>> >>> Looks like a plastic pop rivet. I can't tell from the photo, is the >>> stem hollow? >>> >> check out this site: http://www.itw-fastex.com/rivets.html >> >> > These are used to hold the windshield onto the R90s fairing. the BMW > fiche just calls it a rivet. I think a suitable generic term would > be a plastic expansion rivet. > > Ahh, Honda uses the same damn thing. So cheap on down to your local Honda dealer and save $$$$. The come in different sizes. If you go aftermarket and buy them in packs of 10 or so, they are quite reasonable. I bet you Honda charges $2.00/each at a dealer...cant remember exactly. Triumph also uses em. Chris Jaccarino From Braveirwin at aol.com Mon Feb 8 02:55:21 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:55:21 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT snow should be another color Message-ID: <12c17.4546970.38a0d719@aol.com> In a message dated 2/7/2010 2:44:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdlebout at gmail.com writes: http://picasaweb.google.com/rdlebout/Greenhouse?authkey=Gv1sRgCIrDrLuur4SFjg E&feat=directlink one of five greenhouses ========================================= Were you able to save the stuff inside it? From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 8 04:12:12 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:12:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC768C063A4685-38B4-1B193@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> <> BMW calls them "expanding Rivet" part number 46 63 1 233 909 $1.40 each. I have enough in stock at any time to replace all on any BMW motorcycle, and I have the rubber washers that should be installed under the rivet as well. I strongly advise against replacing those rivets with plastic or nymon screws or other substitute retention methods. The rivets are designed to fail on impact, so that the shield doesn't slice your guts open in a head-on crash. Think about life without any intestines because you wanted to save $20 on shield hardware. Also, screws will fall out, unless you tighten them to the point that they will crack the $130 windshield. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 04:21:20 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 23:21:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4B6F2F06.4559.F8ABC99@localhost> References: <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F2F06.4559.F8ABC99@localhost> Message-ID: <4a4431121002072021q20b11110t711a7f3602ff11cc@mail.gmail.com> >> OK Brian, you win. We have no right to expect to see the "actual >> horsepower data." > > Even the person taking the data should not be interested in the > "actual data" as it is worthless. > > Ride Safe, > > Joe I seriously doubt that you could win a race with "imaginary horsepower." I'm OK with listing the imaginary horsepower first. But why couldn't you also list the "ACTUAL HORSEPOWER" with a little explanation that the reading was jacked with so that graphs could overlay in Denver. TRUTH IS GOOD!:) COMPUTER CHANGING ACTUAL HP READING IS NOT TRUE MEASUREMENT OF FORCE APPLIED:( Dano From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 8 04:23:06 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:23:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: <4B6F7C6F.4080500@ptd.net> References: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com><4B6F0E5F.1078.F0B2ECF@localhost> <4B6F7C6F.4080500@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8CC768D8C0F5565-38B4-1B324@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> <> None of the Japanese manufacturers use any rivet that is the same as that BMW46 63 1 233 909 rivet. Their design is different, and they are locking rivets which can be dangerous. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From ironbt01 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 04:25:33 2010 From: ironbt01 at gmail.com (Greg Roberts) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 22:25:33 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a937ecc1002072025v5ade857ci416627663a08dc50@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > On 2/7/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > > I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling > > ?it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. > > > > ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y Good ride!!? 8+} I'd try it on my KLR, but not on anything with extensive plastic. > > And then Mr. Curry pointed out: > > There is a FREE from MSFT program that will take a LARGE, PIXEL > RESOLUTION file and shrink it to a smaller pixel size and the file > size will fall like a stone. That would be Microsoft Power Toys Resizer http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx Works well on jpgs, I've not tried it on video. Greg Roberts Wadley, AL From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 8 04:35:17 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:35:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: <8CC768D8C0F5565-38B4-1B324@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com><4B6F0E5F.1078.F0B2ECF@localhost> <4B6F7C6F.4080500@ptd.net> <8CC768D8C0F5565-38B4-1B324@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B6F9485.8040400@ptd.net> Tom Cutter wrote: > > < Honda dealer and save $$$$. The come in different sizes. If you go > aftermarket and buy them in packs of 10 or so, they are quite > reasonable. I bet you Honda charges $2.00/each at a dealer...cant > remember exactly. Triumph also uses em.>> > > None of the Japanese manufacturers use any rivet that is the same as > that BMW46 63 1 233 909 rivet. Their design is different, and they > are locking rivets which can be dangerous. What exactly is a "locking rivet"? Are you telling me the BMW rivets are simply inserted into a hole with nothing else in the hole to stabilize or anchor the rivet? Am sure you know, but for others, the Japanese stuff has a collar inserted into an opening and then the push pin rivet of a sort which was shown in the picture is inserted into the collar. To remove the rivet, one simply depresses the "inner pin" of the rivet and it is then loosened. Chris Jaccarino From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 8 04:44:28 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:44:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Identify this fastener In-Reply-To: <8CC768D8C0F5565-38B4-1B324@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <74d2fbe11002071426h19031b4aqdb5b3c5f883e2e00@mail.gmail.com><4B6F0E5F.1078.F0B2ECF@localhost> <4B6F7C6F.4080500@ptd.net> <8CC768D8C0F5565-38B4-1B324@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B6F96AC.2060803@ptd.net> Tom Cutter wrote: > > < Honda dealer and save $$$$. The come in different sizes. If you go > aftermarket and buy them in packs of 10 or so, they are quite > reasonable. I bet you Honda charges $2.00/each at a dealer...cant > remember exactly. Triumph also uses em.>> > > None of the Japanese manufacturers use any rivet that is the same as > that BMW46 63 1 233 909 rivet. Their design is different, and they > are locking rivets which can be dangerous. > I decided to dig up some rivet pictures of Jap stuff.... One type...doesnt match what we are talking about.... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/15-Fairing-clips-black-plastic-rivets-honda-kawasaki-_W0QQitemZ110458986548QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20091118?IMSfp=TL091118171001r23903 Another type...doesnt match what we are talking about..... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TWTZ2?&tag=shopwiki-us-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325 This type of rivet is probably the closest to what I am thinking is applicable to the discussion. Recognize that these things come in all different sizes. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Motorcycle-plastic-fairing-trim-clip-Suzuki-Yamaha-x-10_W0QQitemZ330397271932QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20100121?IMSfp=TL100121222002r3498 From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 05:08:30 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 00:08:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: <2a937ecc1002072025v5ade857ci416627663a08dc50@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a937ecc1002072025v5ade857ci416627663a08dc50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Greg Roberts wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Brian Curry wrote: >> >> On 2/7/10, Doug Raymond wrote: >> > I made a 6-min video of riding out my driveway right after shovelling >> > ?it, using my Hero GoPro Helmet Cam. >> > >> > ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcHwNQ3N2-Y > > Good ride!!? 8+} ?I'd try it on my KLR, but not on anything with > extensive plastic. > >> >> And then Mr. Curry pointed out: > > >> >> There is a FREE from MSFT program that will take a LARGE, PIXEL >> RESOLUTION file and shrink it to a smaller pixel size and the file >> size will fall like a stone. > > That would be Microsoft Power Toys Resizer > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx > > Works well on jpgs, I've not tried it on video. > Thanks, I had no clue which 'MSFT program' was meant, Unfortunately the 'Resizer' PowerToy is meant for Win XP and just draws errors when I try to install on Windows 7 64-bit. But I guess this is not a problem. So far everyone can see the video and no one has complained about performance, so there's no point in spending more time on this unless there is a simple guaranteed solution. Also it sounds like any converter from AVI to whatever would only reduce the quality. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 06:36:58 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 01:36:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Need advice on sharing large video In-Reply-To: References: <2a937ecc1002072025v5ade857ci416627663a08dc50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/8/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > > That would be Microsoft Power Toys Resizer > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/Downloads/powertoys/Xppowertoys.mspx > > > > Works well on jpgs, I've not tried it on video. That is not it. Hopefully Steve will pop up, cause he was the one that pointed me at it. > solution. Also it sounds like any converter from AVI to whatever > would only reduce the quality. No. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 15:01:50 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:01:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC KTM electric motorcycle In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002071217s1ff2c5ceq2b3b162261ad1040@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002071217s1ff2c5ceq2b3b162261ad1040@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > I wonder what this bike weighs > http://ktmelectricmotorcycle.com/ ____________________________________________ http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ktm+electric+motorcycle+weight http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/10/ktm-presents-electric-enduro.html Answer: 90Kg QED EPH From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 8 15:13:55 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:13:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Italian doctor may have found surprisingly simple cure for Multiple Sclerosis Message-ID: <4B702A33.5060804@ptd.net> http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/ Thought I would just forward in case anyone on the list knows someone suffering from MS. Hopefully this guys cure truly works for MS sufferers. Chris Jaccarino From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 15:19:45 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:19:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC UK Motorcycle Awareness In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002071234od3e5ad9gfb5a3423b86e32cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/7/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: >> >>>Not Work Safe >> >> ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnqUMmMQ6Q4 >> >> >> New South Wales.....isn't that Oz? > > Yes, and that is the sanitized version. ?There is a full monty version. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep. from 2oo6, and yes, from Oz Apparently some felt it should be shown in Britain, not sure that was officially promoted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-CpxNsA3k 2006 Motorcycle Awareness campaign by the Motorcycle Council of New South Wales (Australia): www.mccofnsw.org.au * to promote awa 2006 Motorcycle Awareness campaign by the Motorcycle Council of New South Wales (Australia): www.mccofnsw.org.au * to promote awareness of motorcycles as road users * to ask other drivers to LOOK TWICE, especially at intersections * to raise awareness amongst riders of their own safety * to raise awareness that motorcycles are environmentally friendly * to raise awareness of congestion reducing abilities of motorcycles Their "Please Look Twice!" videos should be shown on TV in the UK - another great way to get a serious point across in a humerous way :-) Ride Safe, STAY SAFE! - info, videos and 'messages' for all road users: http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/index.cfm?fa=contentGeneric.twhhyjzpxapzkouq You get yer choice of video player and resolution here for the Oz video: http://www.pleaselooktwice.com/ EPH From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:00:53 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:00:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002072021q20b11110t711a7f3602ff11cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F2F06.4559.F8ABC99@localhost> <4a4431121002072021q20b11110t711a7f3602ff11cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Dan Whitfield wrote: >>> OK Brian, you win. We have no right to expect to see the "actual >>> horsepower data." >> >> Even the person taking the data should not be interested in the >> "actual data" as it is worthless. >> >> Ride Safe, >> >> Joe > > > I seriously doubt that you could win a race with "imaginary horsepower." > > I'm OK with listing the imaginary horsepower first. But why couldn't > you also list the "ACTUAL HORSEPOWER" with a little explanation that > the reading was jacked with so that graphs could overlay in Denver. > > TRUTH IS GOOD!:) > > COMPUTER CHANGING ACTUAL HP READING IS NOT TRUE MEASUREMENT OF FORCE APPLIED:( > > Dano > _______________________________________________ Dan, If you took that bike to Denver, claiming it produced X Hp based on some actual data taken at a sea level shop, you would NOT see that Hp at altitude. The physics involved make that impossible. Because "conditions changed". The entire point of normalization is to standardize conditions, so that everyone is playing on a level field. That is the one reason that the SAE standard that Joe mentioned exists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#SAE_horsepower http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#True_.2F_Effective_horsepower_.28chassis_dynamometer.29 You are correct that dyno operators and magazine numbers cannot always be trusted, but that does not argue against a proper test done in accordance with SAE procedures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Dynojet_horsepower_.2F_DJHP_.28chassis_dynamometer.29 That way you can do a dyno test in Denver on a cold winter day at 20 deg/ 20 % RH, and one in Ft Lauderdale at 90/90, and come up with a comparable number. The actual Hp from a single given dyno test, without specifying the conditions, is useless raw data. Read a scientific publication, all the data is "normalized" in some fashion to make it useful. Adhering to standards and protocols for doing so is par for the course. If folks cheat, they will be found out during peer review, as the results will NOT be repeatable. BTW, I'm curious why you and your Dad "Then use the dyno company supplied chart to convert PSI to Torque." How did you know that conversion was legit? PSI does NOT directly convert to torque without knowing more details about the mechanical situation. Additional DATA is needed to do that conversion. Presumably the "chart" took those details into account. I guess we'll just have to trust them, right? Erik Hoet From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Mon Feb 8 16:13:56 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Italian doctor may have found surprisingly simple cure for Multiple Sclerosis In-Reply-To: <4B702A33.5060804@ptd.net> Message-ID: <492321796.1126761265645636866.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/ > >Thought I would just forward in case anyone on the list knows someone >suffering from MS. Hopefully this guys cure truly works for MS sufferers. It sounds really good. I am hoping it helps people. Most likely US insurers will not cover the procedure as it will be "experimental". John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 16:14:57 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:14:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes Message-ID: A few days after my upgrade to Windows 7 (Home Premium 64-bit) I am starting to be plagued with program hangs, desktop hangs, intermittently functioning SD card reader, etc. I have spent a couple of days browsing the forums, but when I find similar problems discussed there are no solutions mentioned. I would appreciate help, preferably offlist. If there are results of general use I will report them later, but I don't want to clog the list with confusion, anti-MS rants, speculation, etc. What I'm NOT looking for: -reasons and rants why MS and Windows stink -reverting to Vista or any other backup -switching to a different brand or OS. I believe the problems can be fixed one by one with persistence and knowledge. I am hard to help, obstinate, but grateful. So if anyone is interested in the details of the problems, please let me know, and TIA. I am using a HP Pavilion Notebook dv-1235, 4gig RAM, new in 5/2009. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 8 16:37:21 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:37:21 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Italian doctor may have found surprisingly simple cure for Multiple Sclerosis In-Reply-To: <492321796.1126761265645636866.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.ma il.comcast.net> References: <4B702A33.5060804@ptd.net> <492321796.1126761265645636866.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1198.12.181.211.35.1265647041.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > > >>http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/ >> >>Thought I would just forward in case anyone on the list knows someone >>suffering from MS. Hopefully this guys cure truly works for MS sufferers. > > > It sounds really good. I am hoping it helps people. Most likely US > insurers will not cover the procedure as it will be "experimental". > Chris, Thanks for the information. I had not heard of this. Perhaps Patti has. It sounds like it is only for the Relapse-Remit (R-R) form of the disease, not the secondary progressive, which is where Patti is now. The 70% w/o a relapse is impressive. However with the R-R stage of the disease it is common the have relapses that are years apart. Still, it is hopeful news. Ride Safe, Joe From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 17:32:24 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:32:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nice curves here In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002070940p6b5f399fh4cdb04be4b59ec9f@mail.gmail.com> <4B6F2F06.4559.F8ABC99@localhost> <4a4431121002072021q20b11110t711a7f3602ff11cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002080932t2cca0805i3d85838c41708cc9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Dan Whitfield wrote: >>>> OK Brian, you win. We have no right to expect to see the "actual >>>> horsepower data." >>> >>> Even the person taking the data should not be interested in the >>> "actual data" as it is worthless. >>> >>> Ride Safe, >>> >>> Joe >> >> >> I seriously doubt that you could win a race with "imaginary horsepower." >> >> I'm OK with listing the imaginary horsepower first. But why couldn't >> you also list the "ACTUAL HORSEPOWER" with a little explanation that >> the reading was jacked with so that graphs could overlay in Denver. >> >> TRUTH IS GOOD!:) >> >> COMPUTER CHANGING ACTUAL HP READING IS NOT TRUE MEASUREMENT OF FORCE APPLIED:( >> >> Dano >> _______________________________________________ > > Dan, > > If you took that bike to Denver, claiming it produced X Hp based on > some actual data taken at a sea level shop, you would NOT see that Hp > at altitude. ?The physics involved make that impossible. > > Because "conditions changed". ?The entire point of normalization is to > standardize conditions, so that everyone is playing on a level field. > ?That is the one reason that the SAE standard that Joe mentioned > exists. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_International > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#SAE_horsepower > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#True_.2F_Effective_horsepower_.28chassis_dynamometer.29 > > You are correct that dyno operators and magazine numbers cannot always > be trusted, but that does not argue against a proper test done in > accordance with SAE procedures. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower#Dynojet_horsepower_.2F_DJHP_.28chassis_dynamometer.29 > > That way you can do a dyno test in Denver on a cold winter day at 20 > deg/ 20 % RH, and one in Ft Lauderdale at 90/90, and come up with a > comparable number. > > The actual Hp from a single given dyno test, without specifying the > conditions, is useless raw data. > Read a scientific publication, all the data is "normalized" in some > fashion to make it useful. ?Adhering to standards and protocols for > doing so is par for the course. > > If folks cheat, they will be found out during peer review, as the > results will NOT be repeatable. > > BTW, I'm curious why you and your Dad "Then use the dyno company > supplied chart to convert PSI to Torque." > How did you know that conversion was legit? ?PSI does NOT directly > convert to torque without knowing more details about the mechanical > situation. > Additional DATA is needed to do that conversion. ?Presumably the > "chart" took those details into account. > I guess we'll just have to trust them, right? > > Erik Hoet My Dad's dyno was giving a direct measurement of force applied. The SAE corrected HP is not a true measurement of force applied, but what force the drive train should make under their ideal conditions formula. Assuming that the power train could make that much HP, which is a big assumption with all the variables that could cloud that picture, there is no way of knowing if the power train is capable of withstanding that much force applied when it has never actually been done. I see no problem with publishing the actual force applied HP after the "imaginary HP" with a brief notation as to why they are different. It is simply "the truth" rather than hype. Not a popular concept with winter bench racers. Dano From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 17:36:52 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:36:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] V8 Sound for your electric bike Message-ID: You just need to put in the appropriate amp and speakers & FM radio. And maybe a BMW power plug. http://www.gizmag.com/soundracer-v8-video-review/14019/ Or perhaps your taste runs to a V10 http://www.soundracer.se/ Though it won't rev like a vehicle with a transmission, electrics don't tend to "shift" at all...... EPH West Chester From jack.riepe at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 17:41:10 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:41:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Kudos to Todd Byrum... And My Blizzard Adventures. Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: My tenure with the Mac Pac has been a series of thrills and honors ? all associated with BMW motorcycling. Prominent among these was an invitation to attend the Annual Airhead Super Tech Conference, on Friday, February 5, 2010. More than 60 "Airhead" devotees converged o Pottstown, and spit in the eye of a raging snowstorm. The opening reception of this unique event got underway before the snow started. I was made welcome by total strangers, despite the fact my bike has a proper cooling system, and theirs doesn't. I deeply regret that I did not fully understand the significance of this invitation, otherwise, I would have slept in the Suburban, instead of making the run home. There was a full day of classes on the following Saturday, February 6th, which I missed. My arthritis is subject to weather activity and my joints were throbbing the next day. I would have had to shovel a path through 22" of snow to the truck, and then cleared the same amount off the roof and hood. I am embarrassed to say I wasn't up to it. (We contract with a guy, Bill The Douche With The Industrial Snow Blower, to clear out the driveway and the tarmac by the garage. I was waiting for him to show up to cut out the car, to make clearing it off that much easier for me. Billy The Douche called at 2pm to say the snow was so bad, that he couldn't come. "You Douche," I said, before hanging up. Joe from Planet Granite responded to my call and plowed out the driveway two hours later. But the plow does not have the surgical manueverability of the snow blower and had to move the truck anyway. This was made possible through the magic of modern pharmaceutical chemistry.) My blog today carries the details of my adventure on Friday night, as well as an introductory commentary on contemporary weather reporting. It only makes a cursory report of what I experienced at the Super Tech Event. That is because I intend to write a complete ? and totally legit ? account of this event for my column in the MOA magazine, and for my blog. When I say "legit," I mean writing a story using the utmost in my craft to do justice to Todd Byram and his team. This would be on a level that I have previously reserved for travel industry political reporting (minus references to "short-sighted, self-serving, bottom-feeding scumbags in Congress, and their skinhead masters at the DHS"). The espirit des corps of the Airhead's group must be experienced to be fully appreciated. I would like to thank Todd Byrum for extending this invitation and honor to me. The details of my adventures on Friday night can be read at: http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/ -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From rollybrown at verizon.net Mon Feb 8 18:02:43 2010 From: rollybrown at verizon.net (Rolly Brown) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:02:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Italian doctor may have found surprisingly simple cure for Multiple Sclerosis In-Reply-To: <4B702A33.5060804@ptd.net> References: <4B702A33.5060804@ptd.net> Message-ID: <67D08795-E52E-4AA8-A9F2-1A3C24E84C22@verizon.net> On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Chris wrote: > http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/ > > Thought I would just forward in case anyone on the list knows someone > suffering from MS. Hopefully this guys cure truly works for MS > sufferers. We discovered this a month ago and referred several clients to it. I meant to contact Joe Dille, but didn't get to it yet. If it's relevent to your situation, be sure to watch all the videos here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/researchers-labour-of- love-leads-to-ms-breakthrough/article1372414/ There's about 30-40 minutes of stuff. Very interesting and promising, but still very early. Cheers, Rolly Rolly Brown Sellersville PA www.rollybrown.com www.myspace.com/rollybrown From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 18:06:31 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:06:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Italian doctor may have found surprisingly simple cure for Multiple Sclerosis In-Reply-To: <67D08795-E52E-4AA8-A9F2-1A3C24E84C22@verizon.net> References: <4B702A33.5060804@ptd.net> <67D08795-E52E-4AA8-A9F2-1A3C24E84C22@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 2/8/10, Rolly Brown wrote: > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Chris wrote: > > > http://www.gizmag.com/ccsvi-multiple-sclerosis-ms-cure-zamboni/13447/ > > > > Thought I would just forward in case anyone on the list knows someone > > suffering from MS. Hopefully this guys cure truly works for MS > > sufferers. > > > We discovered this a month ago and referred several clients to it. I > meant to contact Joe Dille, but didn't get to it yet. > If it's relevent to your situation, be sure to watch all the videos > here: > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/researchers-labour-of- > love-leads-to-ms-breakthrough/article1372414/ > There's about 30-40 minutes of stuff. Very interesting and promising, > but still very early. Unbroken URL: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/researchers-labour-of- love-leads-to-ms-breakthrough/article1372414/ Some mail clients... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 18:27:23 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:27:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] WT.... Comcastic is this? Message-ID: Comcast doesn't like its name. Starting Feb. 12, 2010, the cable-television and Internet giant will roll out its new name, Xfinity, in 11 U.S. markets. A national campaign will be rolled out in television ads airing during the Winter Olympics. Comcast hopes the new moniker will help customers forget the high prices and poor customer service for which the company has been criticized in the past. Will the name change work? Probably not, but at least it'll sound a bit edgier when you're put on hold ... with Xfinity. Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1914815_1914808_1960618,00.html?hpt=T2#ixzz0eyC0Q26C http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1960553,00.html ------------------------- Website is up, but no content. That must be a metaphor for something..... http://www.xfinity.com/ Not that Verizon is any better..... But who knows what a good name change could do for them? Yverizon would be my suggestion. EPH West Chester From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Mon Feb 8 18:40:08 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] WT.... Comcastic is this? In-Reply-To: <780349475.1211471265654314944.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1510073407.1212171265654408294.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > Comcast hopes the >new moniker will help customers forget the high prices and poor >customer service for which the company has been criticized in the >past. Will the name change work? What many people do not know is that Comcast has a "Office of retention" their job is to keep you on Comcast instead of switching to Direct TV or some other service. Right now I am paying less than $60 a month for High Speed and digital cable with a DVR rental. My neighbor is paying $130 for the same services. Call Comcast, ask for the rentention office and tell them you are changing services unless they can hook you up. Usually the deals only last for 6 months, but then you call and go through the process again. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 8 18:48:09 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:48:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Kudos to Todd Byrum... And My Blizzard Adventures.FREAKING PRICELESS! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC770663BFEB4B-501C-2720@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Jack Riepe dispenses actual technical advice. The apocalypse is near... Go to http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/ and scroll down to "For Nikos:" Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 8 18:53:21 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:53:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] WT.... Comcastic is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC77071EDF1F03-501C-2921@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <> Should have called it X-awww fuggit. <> They could go with "Y not a tin can phone?" What we have here is a failure to communicate! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From wayne at 2zars.com Mon Feb 8 18:57:42 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:57:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Kudos to Todd Byrum... And My Blizzard Adventures. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7fbead931002081057o8b27118xdef0869b7bbc55b2@mail.gmail.com> > The details of my adventures on Friday night can be read at: > http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/ Jack, I read it earlier today, but didn't have a chance to comment. I enjoyed the photos on you blog. I posted one of my own that you may (or may not) enjoy. I'm not quite sure why, you your name came into my head as I was about to release the shutter for this shot. http://2zars.blogspot.com/2010/02/help.html -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From motoedde2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 19:47:45 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:47:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Wall Street Sells Off the USA Message-ID: Not a shocker..but the momentum is increasing... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/business/global/09invest.html?hpw -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From pasegc at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 21:46:01 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:46:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Right to Bear Arms - Vote Message-ID: Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 11:42:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: vote Obama's new Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2ndAmendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. ??Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. ?It will only take a few seconds of your time. ?Then pass the link on to all the pro gun folks you know. ??Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the ?District of Columbia ?case against the right for individuals to bear arms. Here's what you need to do: First - vote on this one. Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published. The Question: "Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?" Click here : http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm From bergman at panix.com Mon Feb 8 22:07:21 2010 From: bergman at panix.com (bergman at panix.com) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:07:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:46:01 EST." References: Message-ID: <9583.1265666841@localhost> In the message dated: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:46:01 EST, The pithy ruminations from Gerry Cavanaugh on <[MAC-PAC] Right to Bear Arms - Vote> were: => Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 11:42:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern => Subject: vote => => Obama's new Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is => one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2ndAmendment gives You're reposting the exact same off-topic crap that was sent to the list on Jan 9. Is there some right-wing-gun-nut-spam-posting-bot that sends these things out every month? Can't you at least send out some off-topic political crap that's original? Could you at least have the consideration to flag your post as being "off topic"? Perhaps the list owner, who's always concerned about saving electrons and is quick to remind people to trim their replies would do those of us who are actually interested in Motorcycles, the Eating and Wrenching thereof, a favor by filtering out posts such as the one to which my reply refers....any my reply as well! [SNIP!] => => Click here : => http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm Do you really think that anyone cares about a poll that has absolutely no statistical validity and is over 2 years old? I sincerely hope that anyone who owns a potentially deadly weapon, be it a gun or a car, has enough sense not to give any credence to such a poll. Oh, wait, it's from "USA Today" (ie., "Jingoism Today", the newspaper of pretty colored graphs that fill space and mean nothing). Sorry, I forget the target audience....they probably believe that people in power actually will pay some attention the poll. Mark "it's OK, I voted 'No' 5x on the poll today" Bergman From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 22:25:42 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:25:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Right to Bear Arms - Vote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Gerry Cavanaugh wrote: > > Here's what you need to do: > > First - vote on this one. > > Second - launch it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will > see if the results get published. > > The Question: > > "Does the Second Amendment give individuals the right to bear arms?" > > > Click here : > http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm > _______________________________________________ While y'all are welcome to "vote", the published "quickquestion" dates from Nov 2007. (note the URL) How much value do you think it has at this point, 2 1/2 years down the road? And what does anyone care about a USA Today unscientific web poll? Pop up web poll "surveys" in general are near to useless, except to get folks riled up or drive internet traffic on a website. The phrase "Vote early and often" comes to mind. Jes' pointing out the obvious, I hope. EPH From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 8 23:32:37 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: <9583.1265666841@localhost> References: <9583.1265666841@localhost> Message-ID: <8CC772E21C53C24-3138-4A73@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> <> Sorry, MArk, but shootingis one of the things the Mac-Pac does. Too bad you don't think we have the right to Ride-n-Shoot. We have a helluva good time. Oddly, not a single puzzled-up liberal ha been hurt at those events. Maybe because to us Gun Control means hitting the target. Glad you voted five times in a Jurassic-era poll. Hope it worked out well for ya. Is your knee sore? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bergman at panix.com Mon Feb 8 23:51:48 2010 From: bergman at panix.com (bergman at panix.com) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:51:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:32:37 EST." <8CC772E21C53C24-3138-4A73@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC772E21C53C24-3138-4A73@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> <9583.1265666841@localhost> Message-ID: <12078.1265673108@localhost> In the message dated: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:32:37 EST, The pithy ruminations from Tom Cutter on were: => < things => out every month? Can't you at least send out some off-topic political=20 => crap => that's original?>> => => Sorry, MArk, but shootingis one of the things the Mac-Pac does. Too bad Unfortunately, reading comprehension isn't one of the things that Mac-Pac (collectively) seems to do well. If you read my post, I wasn't objecting to shooting per-se, but to the repetitive partisan spam urging people to "vote" on a 2 1/2 year old poll. => you don't think we have the right to Ride-n-Shoot. We have a helluva => good time. Oddly, not a single puzzled-up liberal ha been hurt at those I've been to other (non-Mac-Pac) Ride-n-Shoot events, and had a helluva good time. Again, that's got almost nothing to do with why Gerry's post was so annoying to me. => events. Maybe because to us Gun Control means hitting the target. I'm just glad to hear that the liberals _were_ hurt because gun control means hitting the target. :) => => Glad you voted five times in a Jurassic-era poll. Hope it worked out => well for ya. Is your knee sore? Huh? Mark "befuddled in Philly" Bergman => => Tom Cutter => Yardley, PA => http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com => From William.Rompala at kantarmedia.com Tue Feb 9 00:08:10 2010 From: William.Rompala at kantarmedia.com (William Rompala) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:08:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Right to Bear Arms - Vote Message-ID: <91378982C2FC5F4982C0B2AD8454FDCDCCFC48@EXCHANGESTORE.TNSMI-EX1.Local> Quoted:"How much value do you think it has at this point, 2 1/2 years down the road? And what does anyone care about a USA Today unscientific web poll?" None. Completely none. The only purpose for these is to drive people to the website so the publisher can sell more ad space. These are simply polarizing polls to get more web page hits. And years old to boot. :) Will -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100208/a85c5e5b/attachment.html From bergman at panix.com Tue Feb 9 00:10:04 2010 From: bergman at panix.com (bergman at panix.com) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:10:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:51:48 EST." <12078.1265673108@localhost> References: <12078.1265673108@localhost> <8CC772E21C53C24-3138-4A73@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> <9583.1265666841@localhost> Message-ID: <12502.1265674204@localhost> In the message dated: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:51:48 EST, The pithy ruminations from bergman at panix.com on were: => => => In the message dated: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:32:37 EST, => The pithy ruminations from Tom Cutter on => => Unfortunately, reading comprehension isn't one of the things that Mac-Pac => (collectively) seems to do well. => => => you don't think we have the right to Ride-n-Shoot. We have a helluva => => good time. Oddly, not a single puzzled-up liberal ha been hurt at those => => I've been to other (non-Mac-Pac) Ride-n-Shoot events, and had a helluva good => time. Again, that's got almost nothing to do with why Gerry's post was so => annoying to me. => => => events. Maybe because to us Gun Control means hitting the target. => => I'm just glad to hear that the liberals _were_ hurt because gun control means => hitting the target. :) Apparently, I'm not so good at the typing thing either...I meant to say: I'm just glad that you didn't write that the liberals _were_ hurt because gun control means hitting the target. What a difference a word or two makes. :) Mark From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 00:23:56 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:23:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I guess we should consider ourselves lucky... Message-ID: Kinda Lucky we are not Cleveland. They AVERAGE 5 feet of snow a year. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_named_worst_winter_c.html Now doesn't that make you feel better as you look out side??? I thought so. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wayne at 2zars.com Tue Feb 9 01:12:06 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:12:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Wall Street Sells Off the USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Not a shocker..but the momentum is increasing... >http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/09/business/global/09invest.html?hpw Motorola? How fucking stupid can they be? Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From Doug at pencader.com Tue Feb 9 01:29:09 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:29:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: <9583.1265666841@localhost> References: <9583.1265666841@localhost> Message-ID: <012501caa927$49e714a0$ddb53de0$@com> Gerry wrote; >>> 2nd amendment snips; > => Subject: vote > => > => Obama's new Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is > => one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2ndAmendment gives Bergman wrote: > You're reposting the exact same off-topic crap that was sent to the list on Jan > 9. > Is there some right-wing-gun-nut-spam-posting-bot that sends these things > out every month? Can't you at least send out some off-topic political crap > that's original? > Could you at least have the consideration to flag your post as being "off > topic"? > Perhaps the list owner, who's always concerned about saving electrons and is > quick to remind people to trim their replies would do those of us who are > actually interested in Motorcycles, the Eating and Wrenching thereof, a favor > by filtering out posts such as the one to which my reply refers....any my reply > as well! [SNIP!] > => > => Click here : > => http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm > Do you really think that anyone cares about a poll that has absolutely no > statistical validity and is over 2 years old? > I sincerely hope that anyone who owns a potentially deadly weapon, be it a gun > or a car, has enough sense not to give any credence to such a poll. Oh, wait, > it's from "USA Today" (ie., "Jingoism Today", the newspaper of pretty colored > graphs that fill space and mean nothing). Sorry, I forget the target > audience....they probably believe that people in power actually will pay some > attention the poll. > Mark "it's OK, I voted 'No' 5x on the poll today" Bergman >>> end Holder's idiocy Gerry, Thanks - I appreciate being reminded that there is a clear and present danger facing the country other than terrorists from foreign lands . . . they are the ones like Holder who would re-write/re-interpret the Constitution to gut us from within. Your only error was the omission of moto content . . . your clearly intended to suggest a date for the next ride 'n shoot. Best to you, Gerry, and thanks. Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 9 01:32:16 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 01:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] I guess we should consider ourselves lucky... In-Reply-To: <1115942013.1418781265679127320.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1245108906.1418891265679136364.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >Lucky we are not Cleveland. They AVERAGE 5 feet of snow a year. > >http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_named_worst_winter_c.html > >Now doesn't that make you feel better as you look out side??? I thought so. No, it doesn't. See the majority of people in the Cleveland area have accepted that it snows there. They have learned how to drive in it. They do not panic and sprint for the store stocking up on TP, bread and milk because they fear being snowed in for 6 months. In other words they are not Philadelphia idiots who have never accepted their fate. They live in denial. They have never heard of snow tires, or even considered actually learning how to drive in it. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 9 01:46:14 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:46:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Replay of another Trials Video Message-ID: <4B70BE66.7010108@ptd.net> I know, this circled probably not too long along, but everytime I watch the video I realize I how much I truly suck at riding. One video I absolutely never get tired or watching. Chris Jaccarino From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 9 01:56:05 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:56:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I guess we should consider ourselves lucky... In-Reply-To: <1245108906.1418891265679136364.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1115942013.1418781265679127320.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B707A65.23941.14992739@localhost> > > > >Lucky we are not Cleveland. They AVERAGE 5 feet of snow a year. > > > >http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_named_worst_winter_c.html > > > >Now doesn't that make you feel better as you look out side??? I thought so. > > No, it doesn't. See the majority of people in the Cleveland area have accepted that it snows there. They have learned how to drive in it. They do not panic and sprint for the store stocking up on TP, bread and milk because they fear being snowed in for 6 months. In other words they are not Philadelphia idiots who have never accepted their fate. They live in denial. They have never heard of snow tires, or even considered actually learning how to drive in it. > > Check out this slide show from Lance McKay. This is what he found when he got back from Supertech http://www.pbase.com/minnow/garage Luckily the damage was mostly superficial and the poles had missed the important bits. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 9 01:57:54 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:57:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Replay of another Trials Video In-Reply-To: References: <4B70BE66.7010108@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B70C122.7070206@ptd.net> Brian Curry wrote: > No URL. > > On 2/8/10, Chris wrote: > >> I know, this circled probably not too long along, but everytime I watch >> the video I realize I how much I truly suck at riding. One video I >> absolutely never get tired or watching. >> >> >> .See, without the video you have no idea how bad you really are. Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXPflPh-8M&NR=1&feature=fvwp Chris Jaccarino From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 9 02:06:53 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:06:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Powerslides Message-ID: <4B70C33D.9070309@ptd.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DARsTJkqBXs About 3:45 is quite spectacular. Yeah, wasting time tonight. Chris Jaccarino From airheadrs at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 02:35:13 2010 From: airheadrs at gmail.com (Joel Diefenderfer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:35:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mac-Pac posts Message-ID: <5923421c1002081835i1dbffa60h5279fca962189aa7@mail.gmail.com> please Un-subscribe airheadrs at gmail.com from the list, thanks. From piechota at argolis.org Tue Feb 9 02:45:24 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:45:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I guess we should consider ourselves lucky... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B70CC44.5060307@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > Kinda > > Lucky we are not Cleveland. They AVERAGE 5 feet of snow a year. > > http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_named_worst_winter_c.html > > Now doesn't that make you feel better as you look out side??? I thought so. > Bah, Buffalo sadly has dropped out of the top 50 cities (especially if you only count the city itself and not the surrounding county), it averages nearly 8ft a year there. If you want to see *real* snow in NY, you want to go to Syracuse or Oswego. Syracuse averages 9.5 ft, Oswego a nice 12.5 ft. While this storm is nothing to scoff at, it bears mentioning that this storm and the December 2009 storm are #2 and 3 in recorded history for Philly. This is as bad as it gets here, and most things were functional a day or two later. Consider that next time you're running out for groceries the day before a store. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 02:56:07 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:56:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I guess we should consider ourselves lucky... In-Reply-To: <4B70CC44.5060307@argolis.org> References: <4B70CC44.5060307@argolis.org> Message-ID: On 2/8/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > Bah, Buffalo sadly has dropped out of the top 50 cities (especially if you > only count the city itself and not the surrounding county), it averages > nearly 8ft a year there. If you want to see *real* snow in NY, you want to > go to Syracuse or Oswego. Syracuse averages 9.5 ft, Oswego a nice 12.5 ft. I still remember passing a moving snow plow in the night going up 81 near Water town. First time I had seen a plow with the "helper" blade to carry the snow further to the right. Past the PA SP guy too. Had to NOT use the cruise control. Hearing the engine spool up as you went into a turn in the snow was just NOT RIGHT. They go get real snow up there. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 04:42:20 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:42:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Jesus has returned!!!! Message-ID: And he is a lizard????? (Lizard walks on water) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSLUwmJOo_M (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From Ducdude at verizon.net Tue Feb 9 11:18:27 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:18:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) References: <9583.1265666841@localhost> <012501caa927$49e714a0$ddb53de0$@com> Message-ID: <29005267C54B414DBF5554E098868067@heilveil5e3fdd> > Gerry, > > Thanks - I appreciate being reminded that there is a clear and present > danger facing the country other than terrorists from foreign lands . . . > they are the ones like Holder who would re-write/re-interpret the > Constitution to gut us from within. Your only error was the omission of > moto > content . . . your clearly intended to suggest a date for the next ride 'n > shoot. > > Doug It seems the Constitution is in the way of both the Dems and the Reps as both sides have or are ignoring, disregarding, side stepping or trying to change it...As I recall the oath taken by the President states that the President shall protect and defend the constitution....Now how in the hell do we remind them of that? Duc getting pissed off From Ducdude at verizon.net Tue Feb 9 11:21:42 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:21:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I guess we should consider ourselves lucky... References: <1245108906.1418891265679136364.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1F6F5099B94044E4B3E0523BB46AAFB3@heilveil5e3fdd> >>http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_named_worst_winter_c.html >> >>Now doesn't that make you feel better as you look out side??? I thought >>so. > > No, it doesn't. See the majority of people in the Cleveland area have > accepted that it snows there. They have learned how to drive in it. They > do not panic and sprint for the store stocking up on TP, bread and milk > because they fear being snowed in for 6 months. In other words they are > not Philadelphia idiots who have never accepted their fate. They live in > denial. They have never heard of snow tires, or even considered actually > learning how to drive in it. > > John Clauss Very broad generalization.....Some idiots have snow and ice tires and actually know how to employ them. Still there are many clueless dolts out there in a ditch..We will find them around May or so.. Duc From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 9 11:48:43 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:48:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I guess we should consider ourselves lucky... In-Reply-To: <1F6F5099B94044E4B3E0523BB46AAFB3@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: <4B71054B.2329.16B7B9F9@localhost> > > >>http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/cleveland_named_worst_winter_c.html > >> > >>Now doesn't that make you feel better as you look out side??? I thought > >>so. > > > > No, it doesn't. See the majority of people in the Cleveland area have > > accepted that it snows there. They have learned how to drive in it. Snip... They have never heard of snow tires, or even considered actually > > learning how to drive in it. > > > > John Clauss > > Very broad generalization.....Some idiots have snow and ice tires and > actually know how to employ them. Still there are many clueless dolts out > there in a ditch..We will find them around May or so.. Yup. I drove back and forth to Pottstown/Boyertown 4 times over the weekend. It was exciting Friday night and Saturday morning, but quite dooable in my front wheel drive car. Joey asked if he could take the van to hang with his friends Saturday night. I said "sure" as he was was trained. A little preparation and one can survive a snowpocaplipse. Things are different in different parts of the country. Back in college I had a chance to visit Cornell in Troy NY in the middle of the winter. I was impressed how it snowed over 6" one day and snow never entered any of the conversations. Traffic flowed normally. You get used to it. Time to drain some of the stale gas out of the K100 and dump it onto the lawn tractor... Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 9 12:42:46 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: <29005267C54B414DBF5554E098868067@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: <1175769383.1522581265719366512.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >It seems the Constitution is in the way of both the Dems and the Reps as >both sides have or are ignoring, disregarding, side stepping or trying to >change it...As I recall the oath taken by the President states that the >President shall protect and defend the constitution....Now how in the hell >do we remind them of that? Ignoring, side-stepping and disregarding are bad, but the Constitution was made specifically to be a changeable document. Thanks goodness for that as well, if not African Americans could still be slaves, women could not vote, or Beer could not be sold! The document is meant to be changeable as times change, that is the whole point of it being written the way it was. I am not saying that we should change any right now, it just burns my cookies when people forget that the Constitution is not written in stone. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100209/7a424fce/attachment.html From rdlebout at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 13:07:41 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:07:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC Swiss Electric Bike Message-ID: <3f2b32881002090507i14af8dect35dfc0ec1a84d55a@mail.gmail.com> Watch the movie because it shows how I used to ride. Not the fast parts but the falls. No, I actually went fast in the past. http://www.quantya.com/ -- Bobby LeBoutillier From darkside at ix.netcom.com Tue Feb 9 14:10:59 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:10:59 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) Message-ID: <14310615.1265724659602.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: "johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)" >Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) > > >Ignoring, side-stepping and disregarding are bad, but the Constitution was made specifically to be a changeable document. Thanks goodness for that as well, if not African Americans could still be slaves, women could not vote, or Beer could not be sold! hmmm, not sure about that last one. if the constitution could not be changed, we never would have had the 18 amendment so why would you not be able to sell beer? > >The document is meant to be changeable as times change, that is the whole point of it being written the way it was. I am not saying that we should change any right now, it just burns my cookies when people forget that the Constitution is not written in stone. > true dat, but the first 10 amendments do have a little more juice. and i shouldnt need the 2nd amendment to carry, it should just fall under my inalienable right to protect myself. since the police obvisouly can not do that. peace eric From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 15:33:38 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:33:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Replay of another Trials Video In-Reply-To: <4B70C122.7070206@ptd.net> References: <4B70BE66.7010108@ptd.net> <4B70C122.7070206@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Chris wrote: .... >>> I know, this circled probably not too long along [DTR: made the rounds a while ago], but everytime I watch >>> ?the video I realize I how much I truly suck at riding. ?One video I >>> ?absolutely never get tired or watching. ....... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXPflPh-8M&NR=1&feature=fvwp > Wow. That's what I want to do when I grow up. Chris, you're almost there. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 9 16:02:42 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:02:42 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that Message-ID: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> For those interested. Here is the procedure for doing the recall fix on the Toyota gas pedals. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-does-the-toyota-pedal-shim-fix-stop-gap-solution-at-best/ The actual instructions for the dealer is here: http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/02/Tech-Instructions-Preliminary-Posting-BIL.pdf It is a dirt simple fix. Measure the gap and select the correct APP (Accelerator Pedal Plate). Slip the APP under the spring and you are good to go (and stop going) as you wish. This one picture shows how the friction teeth mesh together. I could see where they could get worn in one spot and then tend to jam when pressed into another part. http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/02/CTS-fix-007-8002-466x350.jpg I did a little research and found that CTS owns the patents on the actual pedal and the tapered magnet sensor system. It seems like CTS has some ownership of the problem. Toyota is taking 100% of the heat on this. I find this a bit strange. FWIW, Brian's hunch was right. The sensor is based on a Hall effect device. Evidently, they are like transistors, you have switchers and amplifiers. The CTS non-contact sensor uses two magnets that form a tapered gap where the Hall effect device sits and senses the variable field. Kinda slick. Drive Safe, Joe From wayne at 2zars.com Tue Feb 9 17:49:25 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:49:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <7fbead931002090949n32a336b5m6b4f3880c1856132@mail.gmail.com> > > I did a little research and found that CTS owns the patents on the actual > pedal and the tapered magnet sensor system. ?It seems like CTS has some > ownership of the problem. ?Toyota is taking 100% of the heat on this. ?I > find this a bit strange. I don't find it strange at all. I have dealt with a product recall involving a vendor and it's very touchy. The script normally goes: The people with the name tag on the product accept full responsibility. The vendor bears the brunt of the cost. I'm guessing CTS is supplying replacement parts at no cost and also reimbursing Toyota a fixed cost per install. -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 9 17:56:00 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:56:00 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002090949n32a336b5m6b4f3880c1856132@mail.gmail.com> References: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <7fbead931002090949n32a336b5m6b4f3880c1856132@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19832.12.181.211.35.1265738160.squirrel@12.181.211.35> >> >> I did a little research and found that CTS owns the patents on the >> actual >> pedal and the tapered magnet sensor system. ?It seems like CTS has some >> ownership of the problem. ?Toyota is taking 100% of the heat on this. ?I >> find this a bit strange. > > I don't find it strange at all. I have dealt with a product recall > involving a vendor and it's very touchy. > > The script normally goes: > > The people with the name tag on the product accept full > responsibility. The vendor bears the brunt of the cost. I'm guessing > CTS is supplying replacement parts at no cost and also reimbursing > Toyota a fixed cost per install. > > You are probably right. I am thinking back to the Ford/Firestone recall where Ford pushed Firestone under the bus. A different situation for sure. Ford seemed to have more responsibility for the tires failing than Toyota for the gas pedal sticking. Ride Safe, Joe From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 9 18:08:00 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: <19832.12.181.211.35.1265738160.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <421884123.1700481265738880674.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >> I did a little research and found that CTS owns the patents on the >> actual >> pedal and the tapered magnet sensor system. It seems like CTS has some >> ownership of the problem. Toyota is taking 100% of the heat on this. I >> find this a bit strange. > > I don't find it strange at all. I have dealt with a product recall > involving a vendor and it's very touchy. > > The script normally goes: > > The people with the name tag on the product accept full > responsibility. The vendor bears the brunt of the cost. I'm guessing > CTS is supplying replacement parts at no cost and also reimbursing > Toyota a fixed cost per install. I had a Mercury that was part of the gigantic ignition switch recall. At the time the gauges on my car would go out intermittently. The gauges were all electronic, so it was all guess work, how fast you were going, how much fuel you had, etc. The ignition switch repair fixed that problem. The mechanic told me that the guages were the first sign before the fire. Eeeekkk, dodged a bullet on that one. Of course the switch was made by someone else, not Ford, but they were made to Ford specs and passed Fords quality control process. So there really is no excuse. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 18:52:55 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:52:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Drag calculator Message-ID: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> Finally got around to figuring out the ECOMOBILE frontal area (8.75 sq.ft.), finding the published coefficient of drag (.24) and weighing the rig with full fuel and me in it (1100lb). Then plugged these figures into Joe Dilly's drag and rolling resistance calculator. http://ecomodder.com/forum/tool-aero-rolling-resistance.php It showed that it takes only 21.56 horsepower to drive the ECO 110 MPH. While a 1200cc Suzuki bandit needs 36.14 horsepower to go the same speed. (40% more!) Bandit based on estimated 7 sq ft frontal area (with rider), 600 lb estimated weight and published .585 drag coefficient. So easy even I can half do it!! It's FUN!! ECO Dano Greensboro NC From mrmevans at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 19:07:06 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:07:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Drag calculator In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002091107j7fca4dc8hc9fee86becd38f23@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Dan Whitfield wrote: > Finally got around to figuring out the ECOMOBILE frontal area (8.75 > sq.ft.), finding the published coefficient of drag (.24) and weighing > the rig with full fuel and me in it (1100lb). > I am actually somewhat relieved to learn this is related to engineering calculations. When I first read the headline I thought this was in reference to a special utility Bregstein developed years ago. He was telling us at one of the recent PAC dinners about how using this device was the only way he could tell if the women he was chasing in his younger days were in fact women. I leave it to him to explain to the list the finer details of how it worked and the circles in which he travelled that required the use of such a device. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From mrmevans at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 19:20:27 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:20:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Google Maps Hits the Slopes Message-ID: <8296f6de1002091120w24aac14djb9b9226122ac080f@mail.gmail.com> Google maps adds to their 'Street View' feature - now you can take step-by-step run down the slopes of Whistler Mountain in British Columbia: http://www.google.com/help/maps/streetview/gallery/#utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=hpp&utm_source=en-hpp-na-us-gns-svn -OR- http://tinyurl.com/yeolz2s -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 20:11:46 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:11:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: <14310615.1265724659602.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14310615.1265724659602.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dear Eric Et All: "And I shouldnt need the 2nd amendment to carry, it should just fall under my inalienable right to protect myself, since the police obvisouly can not do that." That should be carved in stone. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 20:17:52 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:17:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: References: <14310615.1265724659602.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 2/9/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Eric Et All: > > > "And I shouldnt need the 2nd amendment to carry, it should just fall > under my inalienable right to protect myself, since the police > obvisouly can not do that." > > > That should be carved in stone. The Supremes have already declared they don't have that responsibilty. You can't sue the state when you get mugged. Bodyguards are YOUR responsibilty. Definition of bodyguard is left up to you. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 20:22:57 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:22:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On 2/9/10, Joe Dille wrote: > For those interested. Here is the procedure for doing the recall fix on > the Toyota gas pedals. > > http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-does-the-toyota-pedal-shim-fix-stop-gap-solution-at-best/ I see that the writers are contributing to the great hue and cry. The practicality of their pronouncements is someone else's problem. > I did a little research and found that CTS owns the patents on the actual > pedal and the tapered magnet sensor system. It seems like CTS has some > ownership of the problem. Toyota is taking 100% of the heat on this. I > find this a bit strange. It is a commercial issue. Wayne knocked it. The final user frequently takes the heat. Back during the Audi UIA it turns out Honda had the same issue. They were not attacked by the frothing at the mouth press and just "fixed it". So, it did not take Honda many years to recover from the attack. The Conspiracy Theorists can determine if this is a plot to take down Toyota some so that Government Motors can recover easier. > FWIW, Brian's hunch was right. The sensor is based on a Hall effect > device. Evidently, they are like transistors, you have switchers and > amplifiers. The CTS non-contact sensor uses two magnets that form a > tapered gap where the Hall effect device sits and senses the variable > field. Kinda slick. Gotta URL for that? After reading what Wayne said I had grave doubts. I am curious how they do it too. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 20:26:32 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:26:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: <421884123.1700481265738880674.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <19832.12.181.211.35.1265738160.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <421884123.1700481265738880674.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On 2/9/10, johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) > Of course the switch was made by someone else, not Ford, but they were made to Ford specs and passed Fords quality control process. So there really is no excuse. No, there certainly is not. Not everyone can be perfect like you apparently are throwing stones. Engineers ARE imperfect but they learn from their mistakes and "don't do that again." Engineers don't have the God power to anticipate all that can go wrong and design around it. Heck they can't even make a ladder that people will not get hurt on. Damn idiots always "get better". Then there are ordinary civilians who don't necessarily learn from their mistakes and do a great job of repeating. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wayne at 2zars.com Tue Feb 9 20:59:08 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:59:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Tomorrow's forecast Message-ID: <7fbead931002091259h38bed3far922c44dfcaf792e7@mail.gmail.com> http://2zars.com/mp/2010/02/09/forecast-for-10-feb-10/ (WS) -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From t42 at pobox.com Tue Feb 9 21:20:05 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:20:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: References: <19832.12.181.211.35.1265738160.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <421884123.1700481265738880674.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Curry wrote: >Engineers don't have the God power to anticipate all that can go wrong >and design around it. Here, let me fix that misspelling for you: >Engineers frequently aren't given the resources to anticipate all that >can go wrong and design around it. There y'go. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLcdGFAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2xugH/i2K/mxTlWqpx31smT0CFm45 uP12RT7my85D7+3Y8/bJgf/mDCiCSL0sga0Qv4+DnWjDiPJbM6Krb0weeeNGvnpP Bu7d4gekXQAdvE2cV1GgNQCuRoMWVjM3CDphQdbxUtw8ehqZg0ar/LwEVZLNevoO AlyVtari7fkorHK3htC9iBMAtBRsOB7jfBnY2M0xHSFxR7UXVL3QOF5x404o91lA MTLflz3QxBY/gX2CVw4sgzVcxw6Xd6nq76ni7VzqjLB2uIWYHx/TSENY3+vv074L a51lKMMNYW/t1Qyyl/mHb9G6boUvo9NGW6jAPfSU2UUSYpCr6Q3sK5KJ92lLpEA= =d3+Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 9 21:51:10 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:51:10 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: References: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <15657.12.181.211.35.1265752270.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On 2/9/10, Joe Dille wrote: >> For those interested. Here is the procedure for doing the recall fix on >> the Toyota gas pedals. >> >> http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ttac-does-the-toyota-pedal-shim-fix-stop-gap-solution-at-best/ > > I see that the writers are contributing to the great hue and cry. The > practicality of their pronouncements is someone else's problem. > The guys a weenie, but he took good pictures. > Snip... > > It is a commercial issue. Wayne knocked it. The final user > frequently takes the heat. Yep. > > The Conspiracy Theorists can determine if this is a plot to take down > Toyota some so that Government Motors can recover easier. > >> FWIW, Brian's hunch was right. The sensor is based on a Hall effect >> device. Evidently, they are like transistors, you have switchers and >> amplifiers. The CTS non-contact sensor uses two magnets that form a >> tapered gap where the Hall effect device sits and senses the variable >> field. Kinda slick. > > Gotta URL for that? After reading what Wayne said I had grave doubts. > I am curious how they do it too. > Pedal Patent 6515473 Sensor Patent 6211668 Go to http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html Search for them under patent number. Ride Safe, Joe From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 22:03:31 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:03:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Tomorrow's forecast In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002091259h38bed3far922c44dfcaf792e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7fbead931002091259h38bed3far922c44dfcaf792e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > http://2zars.com/mp/2010/02/09/forecast-for-10-feb-10/ > Wayne Woodruff ______________________________________________ Great stuff, Wayne. You make this? Erik Hoet Screwed in West Chester From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 22:47:41 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:47:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: <15657.12.181.211.35.1265752270.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <6408.12.181.211.35.1265731362.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <15657.12.181.211.35.1265752270.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On 2/9/10, Joe Dille wrote: > > On 2/9/10, Joe Dille wrote: > >> FWIW, Brian's hunch was right. The sensor is based on a Hall effect > >> device. Evidently, they are like transistors, you have switchers and > >> amplifiers. The CTS non-contact sensor uses two magnets that form a > >> tapered gap where the Hall effect device sits and senses the variable > >> field. Kinda slick. > > > > Gotta URL for that? After reading what Wayne said I had grave doubts. > > I am curious how they do it too. > > Pedal Patent 6515473 > Sensor Patent 6211668 > > Go to > http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html > > Search for them under patent number. Patent number looks short. Results lists a fleet load of patents due to the "short number" I think. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=6211668&FIELD1=&co1=AND&TERM2=&FIELD2=&d=PTXT So what URL did you find that showed it? (History might be a help.) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 23:25:58 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:25:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much Message-ID: I reported problems with my Windows 7 upgrade from Vista last week, with hangups, instability and SD card problems on my HP Pavilion Notebook (d5) But actually the problem is confined to the SD card reader. Everything else works fine: email, networking, everything is fast and functional. True, I was shocked by extra 'security' features of Win 7 that slow you down until you're brave enough to turn them off (e.g. Access denied, until you use "Run as Administrator".) . Briefly, the SD Card reader works OK most of the time, but if I click the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon, the computer goes into a bad state with hangups. It turns out that you do NOT need this Safely Remove Hardware feature for just about any SD or USB device any more. So I am satisfied with my Windows 7 upgrade, outside of the SD problem that I will keep working on to resolve. Geeks only may read on: 1. "Safely Remove Hardware" icon is effectively obsolete in Win 7. Most devices can be yanked out whenever you want, including USB thumb drives, MP3 players, and most USB HDs. 2. Clicking "Safely Remove Hardware" on my HP for any reason usually puts it into a bad state, where even logging off hangs up. 3. In DeviceManager, DiskDrives, Properties, Policies tab, you in principle could Enable/Disable write caching to each device, depending on whether you want quick disconnect (USB devices) or high performance (delayed) writes, like the internal disk drive. Tip: leave this alone, and don't use Safely Remove Hardware because you don't have to! But in theory, if you do set any device to "High Performance" you will then get a visible "Safely Remove Hardware" icon, and you should use it. Note there are dozens of complaints on the web, "where's my SRH icon in Windows 7"? There are few answers posted, but I think the correct one is "it's obsolete, not needed, invisible, but can be enabled if you have very special devices to connect". A more concise correct answer is "Oh, shut up!" 4. In my particular PC (HP Pavilion Notebook dv5-1235dx), I get a Blue Screen of Death when I select the SD card reader in DeviceManager, DiskDrives, Properties, and then click the Policies tab D'oh! This is intermittent but very repeatable. I will be investigating whether a new (or old!) driver can fix this, or whether it is actually a mechanical failure. I have never dropped the laptop, though it's been for a few rides on the RT (finally Moto content). For super-geeks the BSOD Stop code is 0x0000003B, SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION. If you are reading this far and are not a geek, you were warned. Thanks all for your patience and help from private responders. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 9 23:39:24 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:39:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC77F83EE12B2D-40FC-60B8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> <<4. In my particular PC (HP Pavilion Notebook dv5-1235dx), I get a Blue Screen of Death when I select the SD card reader in DeviceManager, DiskDrives, Properties, and then click the Policies tab D'oh! This is intermittent but very repeatable. I will be investigating whether a new (or old!) driver can fix this, or whether it is actually a mechanical failure. I have never dropped the laptop, though it's been for a few rides on the RT (finally Moto content). For super-geeks the BSOD Stop code is 0x0000003B, SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION. If you are reading this far and are not a geek, you were warned.>> Doug- First, I ain't no geek, nor do I paly one on the 'net. But. I had the same kind of failure with my HP Pavilion Notebood DV1000, where the SD card reader got whacky. It turned out to be two things that were seemingly related. One., I reloaded a new devicedriver for the reader (IIRC, I downloaded it from Microsoft) and I stuck an SD card in and out of the slot a number of times, cleaning the contact strips oin the card each time. Apparently some dust had worked its way in there and lightly bridged the contacts, making the driver think some oddness was going on. Like you, I ride with my notebook in the saddlebag, it travels in the car to racetracks and sits on the table in my paddock frequently, i.e. in dusty conditions. Since I rarely use the SD card reader, I put a piece of masking tape iver the open slot when I travel. I have never fashioned an SD card from a shoelace and part of a weather satellite that crashed to ground in the tundra as I rode past, so you probably got me there. :) Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 23:51:29 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:51:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: <8CC77F83EE12B2D-40FC-60B8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC77F83EE12B2D-40FC-60B8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/9/10, Tom Cutter wrote: > I have never fashioned an SD card from a shoelace and part of a weather > satellite that crashed to ground in the tundra as I rode past, so you > probably got me there. :) The snow may not be stopping Doug, but the rest of us.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 9 23:53:02 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yeah, we have an APP for that In-Reply-To: <1753417803.1869311265759406063.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <637953373.1870551265759582058.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >No, there certainly is not. Not everyone can be perfect like you >apparently are throwing stones. Engineers ARE imperfect but they >learn from their mistakes and "don't do that again." Engineers don't >have the God power to anticipate all that can go wrong and design >around it. Heck they can't even make a ladder that people will not >get hurt on. Damn idiots always "get better". Whoa there big fella, take a chill pill. What I meant was that even if a part is made by a different vendor the one using the part on the vehicle the maker takes the heat if there is an issue. The ignition switch issue was one of excessive wearing causing the switch to activate in a certain way, even with no key that could cause the vehicle to catch fire. I was not throwing stones, obviously these switches need to be used for years for the issue to occur. The car in question was a 1991 which I owned until 1996. Figure the switch gets used 4 times a day, that is a lot of use. Wear happens, but Ford took the heat for the issue, as Toyota is now for their issues. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 23:57:32 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:57:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: <8CC77F83EE12B2D-40FC-60B8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC77F83EE12B2D-40FC-60B8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > <<4. In my particular PC (HP Pavilion Notebook dv5-1235dx), I get a Blue > Screen of Death when I select the SD card reader in DeviceManager, > DiskDrives, Properties, and then click the Policies tab D'oh! ?This is > intermittent but very repeatable. ?I will be investigating whether a > new (or old!) driver can fix this, or whether it is actually a > mechanical failure. ?I have never dropped the laptop, though it's been > for a few rides on the RT (finally Moto content). ?For super-geeks the > BSOD Stop code is 0x0000003B, SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION. > > If you are reading this far and are not a geek, you were warned.>> > > Doug- > > First, I ain't no geek, nor do I paly one on the 'net. > > But. I had the same kind of failure with my HP Pavilion Notebood DV1000, > where the SD card reader got whacky. It turned out to be two things that > were seemingly related. One., I reloaded a new devicedriver for the reader > (IIRC, I downloaded it from Microsoft) and I stuck an SD card in and out of > the slot a number of times, cleaning the contact strips oin the card each > time. Apparently some dust had worked its way in there and lightly bridged > the contacts, making the driver think some oddness was going on. Like you, I > ride with my notebook in the saddlebag, it travels in the car to racetracks > and sits on the table in my paddock frequently, i.e. in dusty conditions. > Since I rarely use the SD card reader, I put a piece of masking tape iver > the open slot when I travel. > .... Tom, thanks for feedback, it may be a common problem. I haven't really transported mine much, and it's hard to believe that dust was the cause for both of us. I will look deeper to see if HP has a common failure here. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 00:02:19 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 19:02:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Discretion vs valor today Message-ID: A few minutes ago I rode out my nicely shovelled driveway to go to Lansdale for the daily swim. One or two flakes were coming down so I thought I might get there and back in 90 mins before any real snow came down. But after a mile the flurries were getting strong, so I turned around. Now I'm re-leaving in the car, just like a sensible person. Maybe tomorrow will be better for riding? Wayne's weather report only covered today. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 00:10:08 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 19:10:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <8CC77F83EE12B2D-40FC-60B8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/9/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > .... > Tom, thanks for feedback, it may be a common problem. I haven't > really transported mine much, and it's hard to believe that dust was > the cause for both of us. I will look deeper to see if HP has a > common failure here. As long as it does not cause unintended acceleration on your bike, or malfunction of the ABS you are in good shape.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 00:11:42 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 19:11:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Discretion vs valor today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/9/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > A few minutes ago I rode out my nicely shovelled driveway to go to > Lansdale for the daily swim. > One or two flakes were coming down so I thought I might get there and > back in 90 mins before any real snow came down. > > But after a mile the flurries were getting strong, so I turned around. > Now I'm re-leaving in the car, just like a sensible person. First it was lizards walking on water. Now Doug being sensible... Oh, Woe Is Us. Definitely Darkness and Chaos coming Queue Chris J.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 10 00:27:29 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:27:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > >Geeks only may read on: >1. "Safely Remove Hardware" icon is effectively obsolete in Win 7. >Most devices can be yanked out whenever you want, including USB thumb >drives, MP3 players, and most USB HDs. I never use the "Safely Remove Hardware" feature under XP unless the PC tells at me that I should perform that operation for the particular device. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 10 00:28:29 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:28:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Tomorrow's forecast In-Reply-To: References: <7fbead931002091259h38bed3far922c44dfcaf792e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> http://2zars.com/mp/2010/02/09/forecast-for-10-feb-10/ > >______________________________________________ > >Great stuff, Wayne. You make this? > Naah, my wife emailed it to me. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From rogers.george at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 01:13:47 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:13:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] breakfast this Saturday Message-ID: <1f13c3621002091713g270d2105r444a7c393f034092@mail.gmail.com> Can a month have flown by so quickly? The DE contingent (Mid Atlantic Riders) is having breakfast at the 896 diner again this coming Saturday the 13th. Use the trip to do some tax-free shopping for Valentines day. Same deal as last time--$8 gets you full breakfast including the tip. Roads should be clear by then. I told them we'd have about 30 people. Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://mushroomstomotorcycles.blogspot.com http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com From bmwdick at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 21:40:00 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:40:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) In-Reply-To: References: <14310615.1265724659602.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I think Jack meant," You should be carved and stoned." On 2/9/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Eric Et All: > > "And I shouldnt need the 2nd amendment to carry, it should just fall > under my inalienable right to protect myself, since the police > obvisouly can not do that." > > That should be carved in stone. > > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack > The Lindbergh Baby > West Chester, Pa > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Sent from my mobile device BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 01:28:36 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:28:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Tomorrow's forecast In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002091259h38bed3far922c44dfcaf792e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7fbead931002091259h38bed3far922c44dfcaf792e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wayne: Neat new look at that link.. Thanks for the porn. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > http://2zars.com/mp/2010/02/09/forecast-for-10-feb-10/ > (WS) > > -- > Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com > Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- BMW-Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100209/67ea4d07/attachment.html From darkside at ix.netcom.com Wed Feb 10 02:13:54 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:13:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) Message-ID: <6241828.1265768034680.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: Dick >Sent: Feb 9, 2010 4:40 PM >Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Way OT: yet more partisan spam (Was: Re: Right to Bear Arms - Vote) > >I think Jack meant," You should be carved and stoned." > not sure about the 'carved' part, but being stoned is a good thing. in fact, it is yet another right that i should have that the gov't should stay out of. paz, salitas y cerveza eric Peace Eric Blair 93 flhtc (best damn bike i ever had) 02 k1200lt-c (gone but not forgotten) 02 fxsts 06 k1200s 85 ZL900 (Victim of a hungry chipmunk) From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 10 02:21:51 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:21:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Replay of another Trials Video In-Reply-To: References: <4B70C122.7070206@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B71D1EF.25260.84372F@localhost> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Chris wrote: > .... > >>> I know, this circled probably not too long along [DTR: made the rounds a while ago], but everytime I watch > >>> ?the video I realize I how much I truly suck at riding. ?One video I > >>> ?absolutely never get tired or watching. > ....... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXPflPh-8M&NR=1&feature=fvwp > > > > Wow. That's what I want to do when I grow up. Chris, you're almost there. > Velcro tires. It must be the velcro tires. Great Stuff. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Wed Feb 10 03:41:10 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:41:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR Message-ID: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> Anyone going to Hermy's Open House on Saturday? Marge From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 04:22:11 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:22:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] You folks are CHATTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: I just happened to look at the charting of posts/month. It has been above 1000 posts a month since LAST JUNE! December nearly hit 1500 posts!!!! We are not running 20-30 posts a day but 30-40 and nudging into the 50's. Carry on!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 10 04:43:39 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:43:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Drag calculator In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002091107j7fca4dc8hc9fee86becd38f23@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002091107j7fca4dc8hc9fee86becd38f23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B72397B.5070203@argolis.org> Michael Evans wrote: > When I first read the headline I thought this was in reference to a > special utility Bregstein developed years ago. He was telling us at > one of the recent PAC dinners about how using this device was the only > way he could tell if the women he was chasing in his younger days were > in fact women. I leave it to him to explain to the list the finer > details of how it worked and the circles in which he travelled that > required the use of such a device. I'll help you out. The code is if ( size_of adams_apple > 0 ) { Gender = Man; } else { Gender = Woman; } In Dick's day, they used a sextant (marine) to do the measurement from afar. Nowadays lasers are more popular and accurate. From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 10 04:56:42 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:56:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> Doug Raymond wrote: > Briefly, the SD Card reader works OK most of the time, but if I click > the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon, the computer goes into a bad state > with hangups. It turns out that you do NOT need this Safely Remove > Hardware feature for just about any SD or USB device any more. "Doctor, it hurts when I do this."... > So I am satisfied with my Windows 7 upgrade, outside of the SD problem > that I will keep working on to resolve. > > Geeks only may read on: > 1. "Safely Remove Hardware" icon is effectively obsolete in Win 7. > Most devices can be yanked out whenever you want, including USB thumb > drives, MP3 players, and most USB HDs. While more or less true, you're risking your data. If the USB or SD is still writing when you yank it, it will likely corrupt the file system or the file. Large writes (such as copying a bunch of files) can take a lot longer than you think, and Windoes will often tell you it's done just before the last bunch of writes go out. Patience is a virtue. Safely remove probably isn't the 'right' action on an SD reader, you want to eject. The reason is the SD reader is the 'device', you don't really want to remove the device, just the media. A USB disk is the 'device', so safely remove it the right choice in that case. But both operations quiesce the disk (write out all the pending changes) before telling you it's OK to remove it. Windows 7 is probably more aggressive about writing out that data systems past, but risk vs. rewards doesn't work out for me to be lazy and not click remove/eject. Of course, if you're blue-screening that would adjust the balance. :) > 4. In my particular PC (HP Pavilion Notebook dv5-1235dx), I get a Blue > Screen of Death when I select the SD card reader in DeviceManager, > DiskDrives, Properties, and then click the Policies tab D'oh! This is > intermittent but very repeatable. I will be investigating whether a > new (or old!) driver can fix this, or whether it is actually a > mechanical failure. I have never dropped the laptop, though it's been > for a few rides on the RT (finally Moto content). For super-geeks the > BSOD Stop code is 0x0000003B, SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION. I'd look for a new driver, or see if you can remove the HP driver and try using Windows' driver. I always bet on the Windows driver unless I *know* the vendor's driver does something I need. I've seen some really bad vendor drivers. From brian at whatever2k.com Wed Feb 10 05:11:50 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:11:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> > I'd look for a new driver, or see if you can remove the HP driver and > try using Windows' driver. I always bet on the Windows driver unless I > *know* the vendor's driver does something I need. I've seen some really > bad vendor drivers. Ubuntu. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Wed Feb 10 05:35:44 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:35:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] You folks are CHATTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! References: Message-ID: <01ec01caaa12$e485d5f0$4101a8c0@FastHP> >I just happened to look at the charting of posts/month. > > It has been above 1000 posts a month since LAST JUNE! December nearly > hit 1500 posts!!!! > > We are not running 20-30 posts a day but 30-40 and nudging into the 50's. > > Carry on!! I count over 160 posts by ONE member since the beginning of the year. Marge From llsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 12:00:39 2010 From: llsorens at comcast.net (Linda Sorensen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:00:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR References: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <112B3F01F5E544198F42C7B695BC7806@Empi> Rick and I are going to try and get up there.. looks like we will be caging it tho. Linda From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 12:03:21 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:03:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR In-Reply-To: <112B3F01F5E544198F42C7B695BC7806@Empi> Message-ID: MY lovely and talented wife said: "Rick and I are going to try and get up there.. looks like we will be caging it tho." Unless I can get a good strong headlamp and some little, short tech screws for Honda XR100!!! Hey, Tom, can we borrow your's???! Rick From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 10 13:19:29 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:19:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Brian Burdette wrote: > >> I'd look for a new driver, or see if you can remove the HP driver and >> try using Windows' driver. I always bet on the Windows driver unless >> I *know* the vendor's driver does something I need. I've seen some >> really bad vendor drivers. > > Ubuntu. > Well yes, but Doug specifically said he wasn't interested in a new OS. Even if that OS is all-singing, all-dancing, and approaches Mac-level ease of maintenance. As a disclaimer, Ubuntu 9.04 (the previous version) required a little hack to get the SD card reader in work's HP Elitebook to work properly. Ubuntu 9.10 seems to have fixed the issue. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:10:11 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:10:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Another sign the Acopolypse is neigh.... Message-ID: OCC canceled. :(:( No more Paul Sr... http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/02/08/american-chopper-tv-show-canceled/ The Finale is tomorrow. Catch it while you can. Who will Siemens get to build their next generation electronics E-bike. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:22:18 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:22:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Another sign the Acopolypse is neigh.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > OCC canceled. :(:( No more Paul Sr... > > > http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/02/08/american-chopper-tv-show-canceled/ > > The Finale is tomorrow. Catch it while you can. > > Who will Siemens get to build their next generation electronics E-bike. > > (SNIP) Riepe and I are working on a script for a replacement show. Working title is "Wrenching By Idiots." We're trying to get Mike Evans to sign on as a technical consultant. We'd love to get Doug to demonstrate how to build a throttle body from a sardine can, but he said he was busy with a snow-shoveling video for the AARP. -- BMW-Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He was telling us at > one of the recent PAC dinners about how using this device was the only > way he could tell if the women he was chasing in his younger days were > in fact women. > (SNIP) > -- > Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA > Dear Michelle: > . > This from a self-admitted Thespian! I always worried about you when I learned you hung out with the artsy group you started talking about make up instead of carburetors. Your secret is safe with the Mac--Pac. About testing for gender -- There are a couple of methods: 1) If you see an Adam's Apple firmly plant your toe a little forward of where the sun doesn't shine, unless you're a thespian and like that sort of stuff. If you're wrong you may have to find a new date unless you're a real good talker like Jack Riepe. 2) The cough test. This requires rubber gloves unless you're a thespian and like that sort of stuff. True story: I once "dated" a waitress who shared an apartment in New York with two transvestite guys. 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URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100210/d4e4f78c/attachment.html From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 15:28:13 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:28:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists Message-ID: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> Stolen verbatim from another list, can't take credit for this, but found it interesting - great picture >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Times have sure changed since 1937. -------------------------------------- Photo here: http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg Text below is from: http://www.shorpy.com/node/6128 ======================================= Washington Post, Sep 11, 1937 D.C.'s Lone Girl Motorcyclist Stormed Loudly to Get Permit Sally Robinson - She Weighs Only 88 Pounds - Had to 'Buffalo' Stalwart Policeman but Finally Won His Praise - and License. By dint of stamping her foot Sally Robinson, of 2120 H street northwest, has become the only girl in Washington licensed to ride a motorcycle. Miss Robinson - all 88 pounds of her - has been operating motorcycles on and off since 1928, but last spring she decided she wanted a permit. The policeman assigned to officiate at her examination had different ideas, however. Although the District has no law against women motorcyclists, this examiner apparently thought it should have. "First he said I was too little, then he said I was too young," Miss Robinson declaimed yesterday, malice toward all policeman shining in her eyes." She is 27, years old and 4 feet 11 inches tall, and didn't see what either factor had to do with her sitting behind the handlebars of a motorcycle. "I passed the written examination all right - passed it twice, in fact. The first time I got 80 on it, but that wasn't good enough for him so I went down again and got 92, when that didn't satisfy him, I got my lawyer. "Well, that cop looked from me to the lawyer, and from the lawyer to me, and then he said I could take my road test," she continued. Her difficulties had not ended, however. Thinking all was well, she said goodbye to her lawyer and started out for the road test. Then the policeman announced he would not ride with her in the sidecar of the machine he provided for the test - he said he was afraid to. But when the test was over, the examiner announced, "Lady, you handle it as well as a man could. Your balance is swell and you know the machine. But I didn't see you kick it over so I can't give you the permit." That was when Miss Robinson started "cussing him out." "I called him such names - well, I was ashamed of myself. But it worked, and I have the permit." Miss Robinson uses the smallest type of machine built, but at that it weighs 325 pounds, nearly four times as much as she does. Despite the fact, it occasionally falls on her, she insists she would rather ride that machine than eat when she's hungry. As for automobiles, she has no use for them whatsoever. At present her chief goal is membership in the Capitolians, a newly formed motorcycle club of which Lynn Cook, 1515 U street northwest is president. She will be on the only girl in the club, which does not share the Police Department's prejudice against the sex. Rick Sorensen R1150GS - Pseudo Adventure "TEKKI" - 'iron knight' R1150GS "KANKU III" - 'to view the sky' -------------------------------------------- "Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing often and for the same reason." Mark Twain From tpcutter at aol.com Wed Feb 10 15:42:26 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:42:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> References: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> Message-ID: <8CC787EC7E9A99A-14BC-EB5A@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> << D.C.'s Lone Girl Motorcyclist Stormed Loudly to Get Permit>> Beginning of the end, I tell ya! Next thing, wimmins will want to race stock cars! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:50:14 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:50:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Drag calculator In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002091107j7fca4dc8hc9fee86becd38f23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002100750x6ab393fcn3c57182ecd117475@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Dick wrote: > (SNIP) > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Michael Evans wrote: >> >> >> I am actually somewhat relieved to learn this is related to >> engineering calculations. >> >> When I first read the headline I thought this was in reference to a >> special utility Bregstein developed years ago. He was telling us at >> one of the recent PAC dinners about how using this device was the only >> way he could tell if the women he was chasing in his younger days were >> in fact women. > > > (SNIP) >> >> -- >> Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA > > Dear Michelle: >> >> . > > This from a self-admitted Thespian! I always worried about you when I > learned you hung out with the artsy group you started talking about make up > instead of carburetors. Your secret is safe with the Mac--Pac. > > About testing for gender --? There are a couple of methods: > > 1) If you see an Adam's Apple firmly plant your toe a little forward of > where the sun doesn't shine, unless you're a thespian and like that sort of > stuff. If you're wrong you may have to find a new date unless you're a real > good talker like Jack Riepe. > > 2) The cough test. This requires rubber gloves unless you're a thespian and > like that sort of stuff. > > True story: I once "dated" a waitress who shared an apartment in New York > with two transvestite guys. I never met them, but she described them as "hot > looking girls". I tried to think of someone I knew to fix them up with as a > joke. Too bad I didn't know the Mac-Pac then. > -- > BMW-Dick Cool, it's interesting hearing what humor was like in the 1940-50s. Dano From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 16:06:08 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:06:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> References: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> Message-ID: <4a4431121002100806o616a14d4k449b2dff165148db@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Rick Sorensen wrote: > > > Stolen verbatim from another list, can't take credit for this, but found it > interesting - great picture > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Times have sure changed since 1937. > > -------------------------------------- > > Photo here: > http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg > > > Text below is from: > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6128 > > ======================================= > > Washington Post, Sep 11, 1937 > > D.C.'s Lone Girl Motorcyclist Stormed > Loudly to Get Permit > > Sally Robinson - She Weighs Only 88 Pounds - Had to 'Buffalo' Stalwart > Policeman but Finally Won His Praise - and License. Looks like a Harley "45" flathead she's on. http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg Dano From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 15:26:39 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:26:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Another sign the Acopolypse is neigh.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > OCC canceled. ?:(:( ?No more Paul Sr... > > http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/02/08/american-chopper-tv-show-canceled/ > > The Finale is tomorrow. ?Catch it while you can. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul who???? And why would I want to catch him???? EPH From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 16:12:42 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:12:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002100806o616a14d4k449b2dff165148db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Sally Robinson - She Weighs Only 88 Pounds - Had to 'Buffalo' Stalwart >> Policeman but Finally Won His Praise - and License. > >Looks like a Harley "45" flathead she's on. > >http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg I had one of those years ago....was painted almost US Army green, but w/ red pin stripes. Title was a 1942, so that makes it a former US Army machine, as no civilian bikes were made in '42. Very cool machine, sounded like a sewing machine when running. From 1937 to about '45 they did not change a lot.....very similar. Rick From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 17:11:28 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:11:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR References: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: I can't even see to the end of my yard at this point...! Duc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge Busch" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR > Anyone going to Hermy's Open House on Saturday? > > Marge > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 10 17:28:29 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:28:29 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR In-Reply-To: References: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <24616.12.181.211.35.1265822909.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > I can't even see to the end of my yard at this point...! > > Duc Snip... > > >> Anyone going to Hermy's Open House on Saturday? >> >> Marge I am at work. We have less than 1/5 of the normal compliment. It is quiet for sure. Drained most of the 16+ month old gas out of the K100 last night. The 30+ year old lawn tractor did not know the difference and started right up at 6:4. No problemo. I went to Montgomeryville Cycle Center last night for my $30 fuel filter. They do indeed have BMW bikes again. No S1000RR on display :-( Ride Safe, Joe From chrisjac at ptd.net Wed Feb 10 17:32:10 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:32:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR In-Reply-To: <24616.12.181.211.35.1265822909.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> <24616.12.181.211.35.1265822909.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <4B72ED9A.9050805@ptd.net> Joe Dille wrote: > > > They do indeed have BMW bikes again. No S1000RR on display :-( > They had one on display 1/17/10. So where did it go? Are they now allowed to officially release them to customers who purchased them? Chris Jaccarino. From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 18:08:50 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:08:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Hermy's Open House including S1000RR References: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> <24616.12.181.211.35.1265822909.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B72ED9A.9050805@ptd.net> Message-ID: They do indeed have BMW bikes again. No S1000RR on display :-( >> > > They had one on display 1/17/10. So where did it go? Are they now > allowed to officially release them to customers who purchased them? > > Chris Jaccarino. Hey has any one seen Earle Bare lately???? Missing S1000RR have not seen Earle lately to much coincidence for me Duc From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 18:19:18 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:19:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Another sign the Acopolypse is neigh.... References: Message-ID: <5119892735484F29916182E7F20AA68A@heilveil5e3fdd> > OCC canceled. :(:( No more Paul Sr... > > http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2010/02/08/american-chopper-tv-show-canceled/ > > The Finale is tomorrow. Catch it while you can. > > Who will Siemens get to build their next generation electronics E-bike. ------------------------------------------------------- Some talented individual for a change . Ducdude Product Manager Siemens Industry From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 18:24:00 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:24:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists References: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Sorensen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:28 AM Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists > > > Stolen verbatim from another list, can't take credit for this, but found > it > interesting - great picture > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Times have sure changed since 1937. > > -------------------------------------- > > Photo here: > http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg > > > Text below is from: > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6128 > Man DIG those boots! Duc From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Wed Feb 10 18:30:46 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:30:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Hermy's Open House including S1000RR References: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP><24616.12.181.211.35.1265822909.squirrel@12.181.211.35><4B72ED9A.9050805@ptd.net> Message-ID: <005001caaa7f$29fee6a0$4101a8c0@FastHP> Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Hermy's Open House including S1000RR > They do indeed have BMW bikes again. No S1000RR on display :-( >>> >> >> They had one on display 1/17/10. So where did it go? Are they now >> allowed to officially release them to customers who purchased them? >> >> Chris Jaccarino. > > > Hey has any one seen Earle Bare lately???? > Missing S1000RR have not seen Earle lately to much coincidence for me > > Duc I hear Rendell has closed all the Interstates and probably will close more roads later We have 14" so far Power and phone are OK but no cable. I'm missing "Tom and Jerry" hour!! Marge From llsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 10 19:06:25 2010 From: llsorens at comcast.net (Linda Sorensen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:06:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fw: Hermy's Open House including S1000RR Message-ID: <18AE02413D7349F58A2FB73516A83100@Empi> > From: Linda Sorensen > > Rick and I are going to try and get up there.. looks like we will be > caging > it tho. > _______________________________________________ > > Caging !!!!! OMG .... You two are such \V/ > > Was that the right sign? hehehe > > Jim Robinson Yup - that is the right sign.. If anyone should know it's you ;-) What's that saying - takes one to know one! Linda From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 10 19:14:01 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:14:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Hermy's Open House including S1000RR In-Reply-To: <005001caaa7f$29fee6a0$4101a8c0@FastHP> References: <01dd01caaa02$e35622d0$4101a8c0@FastHP><24616.12.181.211.35.1265822909.squirrel@12.181.211.35><4B72ED9A.9050805@ptd.net> <005001caaa7f$29fee6a0$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <4B730579.9010706@argolis.org> Marge Busch wrote: > I hear Rendell has closed all the Interstates and probably will close more > roads later CBS3 says I-76, 476, 676, and 176 are closed as of 2pm. At 12:30pm, I-83 and I-81 from MD to I80 were closed. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 19:19:53 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:19:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Neck Skydiving Message-ID: This brought to you by Dick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOUU1117yfk (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rtill6 at aol.com Wed Feb 10 19:25:57 2010 From: rtill6 at aol.com (rtill6 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:25:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] You folks are CHATTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC789E0165B179-3C08-1C65@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com> All I was on vacation last week . When I checked my e-mail on Sunday night I had 490 e-mails, mostly from the Pac. Gordon Till -----Original Message----- From: Brian Curry To: Mac-Pac Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:22 pm Subject: [MAC-PAC] You folks are CHATTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just happened to look at the charting of posts/month. It has been above 1000 posts a month since LAST JUNE! December nearly hit 1500 posts!!!! We are not running 20-30 posts a day but 30-40 and nudging into the 50's. Carry on!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 19:32:13 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:32:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Message-ID: Update: The problem seems to be completely solved, by updating to the very latest Realtek driver for the SD Card Reader. This wasn't as straightforward as you might think, because various sites had various notions of what the latest driver is, and none of them explain the issues fixed. For instance, the HP driver download site (link on request), offers an obsolete driver from 11/2008. I tried it, and all my problems persisted, maybe even worse. Also I downloaded the latest driver from Realtek yesterday, which didn't help. True, I was having so many hangs that I'm not 100% sure I got a good install of the driver. The 3rd party 'free driver download' sites were useless, with very old drivers. The greatest disappointment was that the online forums were useless, especially HP and Microsoft. There were tons of complaints "SD card reader doesn't work", but the wild-ass "solutions" involved registry hacks, "fixit" software, secret backdoor fixes, etc. The so-called "solved" issues were a couple of years old, and sometimes didn't show the 'solutions'. Today's download from Realtek finally fixed it: Realtek USB 2.0 Card Reader, driver v6.1.7600.30111, dated 12/25/2009 I sent a polite email rant to Realtek, asking for more info on what fixes are in what drivers, especially the latest. I also accepted an HP Feedback Survey request, so I will complain to them too, for more explicit and timely driver info. I won't be holding my breath for the response. Repeating, for reference: PC: HP Pavilion Notebook, dv5-1235dx, with Win 7 64-bit Home premium Problem: SD card will read/write once, but swapping SD cards leads to failure to recognize any card, hangups in Explorer and Device Manager and Windows logoff, and Blue Screen in Dev Manager, Disk Drives, Properties, Policies (for SD card device). Solution: Install Realtek driver above. Thanks again for patience and support. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 20:19:05 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:19:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Message-ID: On 2/10/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > Today's download from Realtek finally fixed it: > Realtek USB 2.0 Card Reader, driver v6.1.7600.30111, dated 12/25/2009 > > I sent a polite email rant to Realtek, asking for more info on what > fixes are in what drivers, especially the latest. Do not hold your breath. Can you say and understand "proprietary" which cloaks a LOAD of ills. I am sure you can. Competitors use that type of knowledge. > I also accepted an HP Feedback Survey request, so I will complain to > them too, for more explicit and timely driver info. I won't be > holding my breath for the response. Smart move. > Thanks again for patience and support. Can I suggest a reading of "Outliers" by Malcom Gladwell. http://www.gladwell.com/outliers/index.html http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017922 Also potentially at your local library too. Read the chapter on persistence. IMO very intersting. And you are amoung the few that CAN be persistent. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 20:44:34 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:44:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/10/10, Doug Raymond wrote: >> ?Today's download from Realtek finally fixed it: >> ? ? ?Realtek USB 2.0 Card Reader, driver v6.1.7600.30111, dated 12/25/2009 >> >> ?I sent a polite email rant to Realtek, asking for more info on what >> ?fixes are in what drivers, especially the latest. > > Do not hold your breath. ?Can you say and understand "proprietary" > which cloaks a LOAD of ills. ?I am sure you can. ?Competitors use that > type of knowledge. No, some of the Realtek driver installs actually report this. For example, one of the driver installs that DIDN'T solve the problem reported in the Install dialog " FIXES: Resloves an issue where the notebook stops responding(hangs) when attempting to scan new hardware from the Device Manager. " But I didn't get that info in all installs, and the info should be browsable BEFORE you install. ... > > Can I suggest a reading of "Outliers" by Malcom Gladwell. > http://www.gladwell.com/outliers/index.html > http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017922 > > Also potentially at your local library too. ?Read the chapter on > persistence. ?IMO very intersting. ?And you are amoung the few that > CAN be persistent. As one of my childhood heroes said: "The path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run". -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From t42 at pobox.com Wed Feb 10 20:53:18 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:53:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> I sent a polite email rant to Realtek, asking for more info on what >> fixes are in what drivers, especially the latest. [pause...] [maniacal laughter] You're new at this, huh? :) The only thing that might get their attention is frequent RMAs. Don't waste your valuable time with broken crap; return it. But that's just me. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLcxy/AAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2cZAH/3CfgznJvhBmn8qPMz7SKQl4 bpTK6WYDAC5QVOKKNXFWp576OGWakHiVrcnbEv+rSv+xNQQuvzB9k8/ZKs4Kbx7L DwjPrt6kw9WgFIZaAcAjKT8auImrPlCS4Kb5YRuz9SiVhOrceBAbXK4frdAw3gZQ i8odvThTeRKaT1cw/ENrz2EimLOJTqwHppeUPMGiySIjF3++6OSpXCd2IegTS53e 2qEpCimx3L6NIsmgi7apUD3iXhLOIZGB9QMAW3NFd79iq9C7E/pCDcNGTkn6pV5A lSz8mFC9E9KN52zR+r3OQHgiQ75PMHDy/ydXW9EIrIlEROoLkFyS0T/cQCjqRXc= =UkVp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From t42 at pobox.com Wed Feb 10 20:54:56 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Burdette wrote: > Ubuntu. Unless you need for sound to actually work. Have you seen how screwed up portaudio is in 9.10? The fixes are not within the purview of the average computer user. :-| - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLcx0gAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2WesH/RUobDjsHGW7y9Eolb3ZA9pK 4Gecpqtp9xZ9crd0wIbWmKZu2o+t08srCJoTcXPabdOma7FlVmjzcDGr1eBb1W22 11FhJRZx0pOX9iKzTJMrtkOgzpwqmFO0exIszJFVhr8wBdAlYXNlH4Enfb3vvQpU uaFNYGCTYBukbRk+o878HP9XPN1HhDxkb4ZonS7DXMXdDz16fHtWHQv/uy24Wt5b nuS8iJ/MZGnoUTMc4A/Ry5NULEBjzTsVKc98527I6Mk0XrEYhOHm4ZDI3OxZZVAP CKieeZOXNGzqYwnyncJhVvgBeWd/foFlXYRrWPrURRh0CYsfUf1ONk4AH4iPZ70= =xHYS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at whatever2k.com Wed Feb 10 21:10:14 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:10:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <4B7320B6.90500@whatever2k.com> >> Ubuntu. > > Unless you need for sound to actually work. Have you seen how screwed > up portaudio is in 9.10? The fixes are not within the purview of the > average computer user. :-| My sound works like a champ, has in both 64-bit and 32-bit. My biggest gripe so far is Lotus Notes on the 64-bit. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From rollybrown at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 22:29:10 2010 From: rollybrown at verizon.net (Rolly Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:29:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Another sign the Acopolypse is neigh.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05345140-30AA-4F3C-842C-EAEECE91A521@verizon.net> On Feb 10, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > OCC canceled. :(:( No more Paul Sr... > Re: [MAC-PAC] Another sign the Acopolypse is neigh.... "Neigh"? C'mon Brian, quit horsing around! :^) Cheers, Rolly Rolly Brown Sellersville PA www.rollybrown.com www.myspace.com/rollybrown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100210/8728e2ea/attachment.html From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Wed Feb 10 22:50:48 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:50:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House including S1000RR References: <18AE02413D7349F58A2FB73516A83100@Empi> Message-ID: <5674F85B47E843FA84E31E415B32F3BA@home.robinson.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Sorensen Rick and I are going to try and get up there.. looks like we will be caging it tho. _______________________________________________ Jim writes: Caging !!!!! OMG .... You two are such \V/ Was that the right sign? hehehe _______________________________________________ Linda writes: Yup - that is the right sign.. If anyone should know it's you ;-) What's that saying - takes one to know one! _______________________________________________ Touche' , but that saying is you are what you eat! ;-) Jim Robinson West Chester PA From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:07:53 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:07:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Drag calculator In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002100750x6ab393fcn3c57182ecd117475@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002091107j7fca4dc8hc9fee86becd38f23@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002100750x6ab393fcn3c57182ecd117475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Dan: You mean the 1840's and 1850's. And Bregstein used an astrolabe, not a sextant. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From 321design at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 00:36:22 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob H) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:36:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power Message-ID: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> Here I sit reading by the light of my trusty Colman lantern About 2.5 hours ago lost electricity after I guess a tree or branch took out some wires. Great show of sparks and arcs lit up the sky. PECO Informed but I don't expect to see the light until tomorrow So no heat - loosing about 1 degree an hour. Be interesting to see the rate of heat loss. Electic stove has forced me to scavenge the cubbord. Oreos and sardines taste pretty good. Rob; sent from my iPhone From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 00:42:36 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:42:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> References: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Rob H <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > Here I sit reading by the light of my trusty Colman lantern About 2.5 > hours ago lost electricity.... Hang in there Rob. I expect many of us will lose power tonight when the wind picks up. I'm still cozy and warm here in Ambler. Stay warm, good luck. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From jaburke4 at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 00:53:03 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:53:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> References: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1CECDD1F-BDDB-484F-BE5A-52DD0F7796D8@verizon.net> No power here since 5:00 pm. Planning paying off. Generator on. Min 10 gallons gas in bikes and storage. Moved lots of wood close to house. Fire place insert running sitting here with light in shorts and tee shirt. Funniest thing. Wife thought I was nuts buying all these things and doing the prep. Now she is warm and scrap booking. From John A. Burkhauser On Feb 10, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Rob H <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > Here I sit reading by the light of my trusty Colman lantern About 2.5 > hours ago lost electricity after I guess a tree or branch took out > some wires. Great show of sparks and arcs lit up the sky. PECO > Informed but I don't expect to see the light until tomorrow So no > heat - loosing about 1 degree an hour. Be interesting to see the rate > of heat loss. > Electic stove has forced me to scavenge the cubbord. Oreos and > sardines taste pretty good. > > Rob; sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 01:57:21 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:57:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: References: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> Message-ID: On 2/10/10, Eric Ducdude wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Times have sure changed since 1937. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > Photo here: > > http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg > > > > > > Text below is from: > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6128 > > > > > Man DIG those boots! Here are some boots for you: http://www.boot.com/bwbossbg.htm (WS) You might appreciate these better: http://www.snaz75.com/pl-skintight-3000.html (WS, but I would NOT go anywhere else. Nope.) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rsorens at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 02:18:21 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:18:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >http://www.snaz75.com/pl-skintight-3000.html Linda could wear thee and be flat footed on her GS From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 03:16:18 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:16:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002100806o616a14d4k449b2dff165148db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002101916k4215b7efo19c2d86ad743b56b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Rick Sorensen wrote: >>> Sally Robinson - She Weighs Only 88 Pounds - Had to 'Buffalo' Stalwart >>> Policeman but Finally Won His Praise - and License. >> >>Looks like a Harley "45" flathead she's on. >> >>http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg > > I had one of those years ago....was painted almost US Army green, but w/ red > pin stripes. Title was a 1942, so that makes it a former US Army machine, as > no civilian bikes were made in '42. Very cool machine, sounded like a sewing > machine when running. From 1937 to about '45 they did not change a > lot.....very similar. > > Rick At my Dad's Harley shop they also sold boats up to 40 feet long. We used a "45" three wheeler to shuttle boats in and out for display every day for 33 years. They were tough! Most of the part numbers had a -29 at the end, meaning they came out in 1929. Dano From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 11 03:22:15 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:22:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> References: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8CC78E08B2B1143-4650-7FE0@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> We got 14-20" already today, and it is still coming down hard. I figure 30-35" before this stops, judging from the radar. The snow load on the trees is going to make for a LOT of downed lumber and power lines. The Lower Makefield township automatic emergency warning system called us half an hour ago with a recorded message, telling us where emergency shelters are opened up for the night, and warning of widespread power outages before daybreak. We have a generator, 6 gallons of gas, ten-twelve more in the bikes, heaters, and enough materials to seal off two rooms. We bought enough food today to last five to six days. We can cook on our camping stove or on the gas grill out on the enclosed patio with the windows open. I have PLENYT of ammo, in case subsistence hunting (or home defense) is required. I could have bagged five deer today within fifty feet of the house. I also have enough gas and cash to drive to Florida. That might be a better idea. Check on your neighbors, make sure nobody is in trouble, especially the elderly. Dick? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Thu Feb 11 03:24:10 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:24:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power References: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <011601caaac9$ada21730$4101a8c0@FastHP> > Here I sit reading by the light of my trusty Colman lantern About 2.5 > hours ago lost electricity after I guess a tree or branch took out > some wires. Great show of sparks and arcs lit up the sky. PECO > Informed but I don't expect to see the light until tomorrow So no > heat - loosing about 1 degree an hour. Be interesting to see the rate > of heat loss. > Electic stove has forced me to scavenge the cubbord. Oreos and > sardines taste pretty good. I haven't lost power yet but I do have a generator that automatically will take over. The one thing that worries me is that it test runs every Saturday and I don't remember hearing it run this past Saturday. I don't know what happens if it does not test. It is pretty well covered with snow does it need to breath? Should I go out and knock the snow off?? Marge From Braveirwin at aol.com Thu Feb 11 03:28:56 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:28:56 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power Message-ID: <1cdee.4ab7868f.38a4d378@aol.com> In a message dated 2/10/2010 10:26:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, honeybrk at dejazzd.com writes: I haven't lost power yet but I do have a generator that automatically will take over. The one thing that worries me is that it test runs every Saturday and I don't remember hearing it run this past Saturday. I don't know what happens if it does not test. It is pretty well covered with snow does it need to breath? Should I go out and knock the snow off?? ================================================= I don't think that would be a bad idea. I assume it is powered by bottled gas? Yes, it still needs to breathe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100210/de585ba9/attachment.html From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 03:46:43 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:46:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Driveway shovelling in Ambler PA Message-ID: At just after 10PM, I'm making good progress in shovelling out the driveway. Two hours into the job, about 4 to go.... I think the snowfall is over. http://www.flickr.com/photos/31374622 at N00/?saved=1 -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Thu Feb 11 03:52:59 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:52:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power References: <1cdee.4ab7868f.38a4d378@aol.com> Message-ID: <012601caaacd$b44a8280$4101a8c0@FastHP> . I don't < References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:53 PM, David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >>> ?I sent a polite email rant to Realtek, asking for more info on what >>> ?fixes are in what drivers, especially the latest. > > [pause...] > > [maniacal laughter] > > You're new at this, huh? :) > > The only thing that might get their attention is frequent RMAs. ?Don't waste > your valuable time with broken crap; return it. ?But that's just me. > I just received a polite and helpful response from a Realtek SD Card Group guy in Taiwan. He points out that the driver I got from HP as "the latest" was only meant for Vista, and was guaranteed to cause problems. [I had specified on the HP site that I had moved to Win 7, but this was apparently ignored by HP]. He confirms that the new driver I got from the Realtek site is the correct one for Win 7, as my testing has already proved. He apologizes for the difficulty in navigating on the Realtek driver download site and says he will add a FAQ to help people. I pointed out that this broken SD Card reader will affect most HP Pavilions that are upgraded from Vista to Win 7. I'm pleased with the response. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 11 07:22:00 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:22:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Doug Raymond wrote: > I'm pleased with the response. I'm glad you got an uncharacteristically (by industry standards) helpful response. :) - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLc7AZAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2CMcH/A7xZjuUFs08yLEEACa3cOFz AculNvztC/Y9gnkdic0aMUhSOBZSx0rgiAQNzcf6KnzTmDr//Jo1CBtQenDSNWV4 EFIYDOfX2nbRxfpQ9V2I/LVdI8n3nwjKahG1AQmX6KDqvIWRzbVhWPRq37J+bbR2 jcHKboa6noI+zGCkWJa3ZW2dW2JhyFCdv9EmO1ay4L3be2vffHWDkaJVu8nzNqPJ 4g0ujL7drYOhnLb0RBNsJSW9iIzZVdl7NCnGfWTGvXQm43V6aYZUbxpnWPWfKpqF ndbKct01Smzwzhd1Te86eW/kUoFxFGaZmzQiOfRo6eVpCmJ2/rzrbYsYioPiUH0= =P0i0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 11 07:39:53 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:39:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hang On St. Christopher Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dream of greener days! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLGxuiLHNJk&NR - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLc7RJAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2UWEH/0Y45K3GwEuxQtwBuXYySBia oegmAIoTFcSaHoqdFD/DVHx7lfWOeYvwK9ls0BZUdXQxAV80QTHcPZUfSnYo5PMf 5OI3Wi98IZADzWrEh9+IbO0p35bpyxKoPFvO54tf4+7XbjEkaUj2NZaRpoRV7PC6 yq4tCj9MKNRQX/7oZuEfMkJQ/ZdJ8F9SbJ+tqU7pefAL/Fz5uZvP8aHITniIB2Kx /1Qs+dXGF4a5dUwN6E5IMyufGoBdFXX6QNdhOD3VgI7++nvsXC4RJ7Hi85iF6BsP jHefSfCRqp4sGCYJxQFc7DNQXeLFiDl6gB7tnkh1oeAC0fhhekYBupsKEGXmTYM= =/WFl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 11:15:53 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >I haven't lost power yet but I do have a generator that automatically will >take over. The one thing that worries me is that it test runs every >Saturday and I don't remember hearing it run this past Saturday. I don't >know what happens if it does not test. It is pretty well covered with snow >does it need to breath? Should I go out and knock the snow off?? We have been good with power, internet and all of that. I have cleared the driveway twice with the snowblower yesterday, so today should be a piece of cake, but no sign of a plow clearing the road, so that could be an issue. My biggest issue yesterday was keeping the exhaust for the heater and hot water heater clear. I had to dig that out twice. They are mounted 3 feet off of the ground,but the high snowfall combined with wind made them 3 feet under the snow. A lot of work just getting to the vents. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 11 11:47:05 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:47:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Driveway shovelling in Ambler PA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4B73A7E9.30268.4729322@localhost> > At just after 10PM, I'm making good progress in shovelling out the driveway. > > Two hours into the job, about 4 to go.... > I think the snowfall is over. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/31374622 at N00/?saved=1 > That is some driveway to shovel. I hope it came out well. I went to work yesterday and I was the last one out at 5:00. I was concerned about the heavy snow on the street. There was 6-8" on Vine street and Cowpath road. The car had no problems. All I can say is snow tires rock! The only real problem that I had was with people in the street. It seemed everywhere people were wandering around in the street. There was probably 30 people in the street on my ride home. They were hanging around in the street, talking, throwing snow balls at each other and having a good time. Parents letting their 3-4 year olds run around. It was challenging to get around some of these packs. I guess it is OK to play in traffic when you can't see the street. When I got home the driveway had over a foot of snow. This was too much for the relatively low SAAB. It stopped dead in its track when the snow was bunching up in front and came up over the bumper. I shovelled around the car (you do keep a shovel in the car don't you) and trudged into the house. Patti had a hot lasanga dinner waiting :- ) After dinner I put on the snow suit and commenced plowing. Lots of plowing. Yes you can pile snow 5' high with a lawn tractor. I had the job mostly done when the plow came off. Two of the 4 bolts came off. I got it back to the garage where I was making the repair when the phone rang. The neighbor called to ask if I wanted to borrow his snow blower! I took him up on the offer. The snow blower is slower than the plow, but it does a better job. It was handy for the bottom where the township made a pile with the plow. Once I had everything done the car was still at the bottom. It took a couple of tries to get it moving where it was up to the frame in snow. At 10:00 I was done. I hope everyone made out well with the snow. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From Ducdude at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 13:21:58 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:21:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hang On St. Christopher References: Message-ID: <15ECE2BBF3BC42C1A64D8BDC92A788E4@heilveil5e3fdd> For 21cents name that road.. Duc.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Talkington" > Dream of greener days! :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLGxuiLHNJk&NR > > /mac-pac-l From rdlebout at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 13:23:11 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:23:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002110523t4865d815v6c663560fa9aaa27@mail.gmail.com> > We have been good with power, internet and all of that. I have cleared the driveway twice with the snowblower yesterday, so today should be a piece of cake, but no sign of a plow clearing the road, so that could be an issue. My biggest issue yesterday was keeping the exhaust for the heater and hot water heater clear. I had to dig that out twice. They are mounted 3 feet off of the ground,but the high snowfall combined with wind made them 3 feet under the snow. A lot of work just getting to the vents. > > John Clauss > K1100RS > R75/6 > In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > Thanks for that reminder John. I forgot about that heater. Lucy and I spent the day trying to save boxwood hedges, leyland cypress hedges and arbrovia hedges. Lucy used the pool broom and I used a backpack leaf blower with a eight foot extension. We were both glad it was warm out compared to low twenties or even teens. The one good thing was that the more it snowed the shorted the hedges became. Bobby LeBoutillier From jack.riepe at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 13:26:50 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:26:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: An enormous plow from the town of East Goshen slid off the road into a snowband at the end of our driveway. A bulldozer was sent to retrieve it and yanked it back onto the road. The Cul de Sac is open by the driveway is not. The plow guy got here yesterday at 1pm. There is an easy 10 inches of snow in the driveway, and I think the Suburban can handle it. We had power all night and still do this morning, but my son-in-law's house was down for 8 hours yesterday. He has two babies, and I was getting ready to go get him last night, when their juice came back on. I would have hated to be on a power crew last night. This global warming is a bitch. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 11 13:41:29 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:41:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <4B740909.5090603@argolis.org> David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Brian Burdette wrote: > >> Ubuntu. > > Unless you need for sound to actually work. Have you seen how screwed > up portaudio is in 9.10? The fixes are not within the purview of the > average computer user. :-| Works for me out of the box. :) From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 11 13:44:05 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:44:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7409A5.70406@argolis.org> Rick Sorensen wrote: >> http://www.snaz75.com/pl-skintight-3000.html > > Linda could wear thee and be flat footed on her GS But the heels would catch pavement in the twisties. From mjcantwe at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 14:06:43 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:06:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: References: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002110606ge33d35m239e3fd0a7a63b7b@mail.gmail.com> Jack, I hope you don't lose your phone service, it's a long drive. Michael (no, the other one.) From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 11 14:18:05 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:18:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Drag calculator In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002091107j7fca4dc8hc9fee86becd38f23@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002100750x6ab393fcn3c57182ecd117475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B74119D.2050908@argolis.org> Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Dan: > > You mean the 1840's and 1850's. And Bregstein used an astrolabe, not a sextant. > The sextant was well developed by the mid-1800s, I wouldn't have pegged Dick as a technology curmudgeon. From Doug at pencader.com Thu Feb 11 14:21:39 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:21:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hang On St. Christopher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <036a01caab25$88db3f10$9a91bd30$@com> David wrote; >>> snippage > Dream of greener days! :) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLGxuiLHNJk&NR >>> end Dave, Thanks so much for that . . . Delaware's in its 2nd day of declared state of emergency, and ridin' just ain't in da' fo'cast nowheres. That was some truly great footage AND a great soundtrack to boot! Chilly regards from the frozen south, Doug '01 1150 GSP (Polar)Bear, DE From rogers.george at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 14:48:57 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:48:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002110606ge33d35m239e3fd0a7a63b7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8bafeb801002110606ge33d35m239e3fd0a7a63b7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f13c3621002110648m42516c1es795fa3370e64c930@mail.gmail.com> Power lost in DE, too. I got in to work yesterday, but they sent me home (5 minutes before everyone else left, looks like) to deal with our personal outage. The boy and I got the generator dug out and fired up about 20 minutes before power came back on. We live on a tree-sheltered lane, and figured we'd be w/o power for a good while, but apparently the outage was caused by a mishap across the main drag that cut off the traffic signals, and they had to get to that right away. So our real turn hasn't come yet. We're at the end of a long stretch of leaning, snow-laden trees. If my wife takes a pic of the yardstick in the snow again, I'll post it. Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://mushroomstomotorcycles.com http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com http://serenitytravelnewark.com On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Michael Cantwell wrote: > Jack, > I hope you don't lose your phone service, it's a long drive. > > Michael (no, the other one.) > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From rdlebout at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 15:12:07 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:12:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <4B7409A5.70406@argolis.org> References: <4B7409A5.70406@argolis.org> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002110712g6ccb9b79y7e1f6c7f2dcc57c3@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Rick Sorensen wrote: >>> http://www.snaz75.com/pl-skintight-3000.html >> >> Linda could wear thee and be flat footed on her GS > > But the heels would catch pavement in the twisties. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > Sally Robinson - Mrs. Sally Halterman 2120 H street northwest, Washington DC Born around 1910 Her 100th birthday is around now. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGIH_en&q=Sally%20Robinson%20Washington%20Motorcycle&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl Capitolians Motorcycle Club More details on the bikehttp://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531714' Jack - follow up story??? -- Bobby LeBoutillier From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 11 15:31:24 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:31:24 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <1f13c3621002110648m42516c1es795fa3370e64c930@mail.gmail.com> References: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8bafeb801002110606ge33d35m239e3fd0a7a63b7b@mail.gmail.com> <1f13c3621002110648m42516c1es795fa3370e64c930@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Power lost in DE, too. I got in to work yesterday, but they sent me > home (5 minutes before everyone else left, looks like) to deal with > our personal outage. The boy and I got the generator dug out and fired > up about 20 minutes before power came back on. We live on a > tree-sheltered lane, and figured we'd be w/o power for a good while, > but apparently the outage was caused by a mishap across the main drag > that cut off the traffic signals, and they had to get to that right > away. Speaking of traffic lights. I found a disadvantage to the new LED lights. they don't throw any heat. The traffic lights around here are all filled with snow. Some just have a little slit, other are totally filled. It made it interesting on the way to work. I don't see it coming out unless it gets above freezing for a while. At least with an incandescent light it would have a little warming to help the snow fall out. Ride Safe, Joe From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:07:07 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:07:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8bafeb801002110606ge33d35m239e3fd0a7a63b7b@mail.gmail.com> <1f13c3621002110648m42516c1es795fa3370e64c930@mail.gmail.com> <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Joe Dille wrote: > Speaking of traffic lights. ?I found a disadvantage to the new LED lights. > ?they don't throw any heat. ?The traffic lights around here are all filled > with snow. ?Some just have a little slit, other are totally filled. ?It > made it interesting on the way to work. ?I don't see it coming out unless > it gets above freezing for a while. ?At least with an incandescent light > it would have a little warming to help the snow fall out. > This problem was reported in NPR a few weeks ago, a big problem with LED traffic lights in the midwest. Not enough heat generated to melt wind blown snow. An interesting detail: the yellow light is most likely to be obscured, both with LED and even incandescent, because this one is only ON a very short time. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 16:07:25 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >Speaking of traffic lights. I found a disadvantage to the new LED lights. >they don't throw any heat. The traffic lights around here are all filled >with snow. Some just have a little slit, other are totally filled. It >made it interesting on the way to work. I don't see it coming out unless >it gets above freezing for a while. At least with an incandescent light >it would have a little warming to help the snow fall out. I read about several law suits regarding those in the Mid West. The LEDs may save money on electricity, but they are just not functional in the winter. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 16:11:09 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Driveway shovelling in Ambler PA In-Reply-To: <4B73A7E9.30268.4729322@localhost> Message-ID: <236800428.2643781265904669122.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Just finished my third time using the snow thrower on the driveway. Glad I did it some yesterday. The sun is hot enough that I have black asphalt almost the length of the 400' driveway. Also cleared a path to the gas tank lid (Down to 10% but the gas company is only worried about people who are out) and the bird feeders. The birds have food again and are happy. The squirrels are happy that no leaping is required to get to the feeders. Helped out a couple of neighbors with their clearing the end of the driveway. The plow came through once and did a nice job of blocking the ends in again. Sigh John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:11:43 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:11:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:07 AM, johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) wrote: > > >>Speaking of traffic lights. I found a disadvantage to the new LED lights. >>they don't throw any heat. The traffic lights around here are all filled >>with snow. Some just have a little slit, other are totally filled. It >>made it interesting on the way to work. I don't see it coming out unless >>it gets above freezing for a while. At least with an incandescent light >>it would have a little warming to help the snow fall out. > > > I read about several law suits regarding those in the Mid West. The LEDs may save money on electricity, but they are just not functional in the winter. > The partially effective fix is to add larger shrouds around the lenses to keep the snow out. But eventually my guess is that they will have to add heaters (how about a hidden incandescent bulb? :):) ) -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:33:20 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:33:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On 2/11/10, johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) wrote: > > > >Speaking of traffic lights. I found a disadvantage to the new LED lights. > >they don't throw any heat. The traffic lights around here are all filled > >with snow. Some just have a little slit, other are totally filled. It > >made it interesting on the way to work. I don't see it coming out unless > >it gets above freezing for a while. At least with an incandescent light > >it would have a little warming to help the snow fall out. > > > > I read about several law suits regarding those in the Mid West. The LEDs may save money on electricity, but they are just not functional in the winter. Hey, it will help stop Global Warming. It is for your children. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From 321design at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:23:20 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:23:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: References: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002110823u62be5fa4m89c5841db5bfaf@mail.gmail.com> Power restored at 4A.M. I know this because all the lights / radio I didn't turn off came on all at once (explains the cat on the ceiling). I had unplugged electronics fearing a surge when power was restored so no harm done. I did notice that light are generally brighter. House didn't get below 53. Thank you hearty folks from PECO who bust their butts in the freezing cold risking injury. Worth any OT they get. -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100211/cef5a168/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:45:52 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:45:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002110823u62be5fa4m89c5841db5bfaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <74d2fbe11002110823u62be5fa4m89c5841db5bfaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/11/10, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you hearty folks from PECO who bust their butts in the freezing cold > risking injury. Worth any OT they get. Injuries are BAD. I am sure they have some Commonwealth Edison folks here too. The Western part of Exelon. The "I don't have any power" whiners are so short on critical thinking that they don't realize that the power company does not get paid for the power they are not using." The sooner you are back up, the sooner the meter is turning, and you are being billed. Yay for electricity!!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From 321design at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:55:11 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:55:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: References: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <74d2fbe11002110823u62be5fa4m89c5841db5bfaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002110855j4e828e72ra322ca4687ebbaf2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/11/10, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you hearty folks from PECO who bust their butts in the freezing > cold > > risking injury. Worth any OT they get. > > Injuries are BAD. I am sure they have some Commonwealth Edison folks > here too. The Western part of Exelon. > > The "I don't have any power" whiners are so short on critical thinking > that they don't realize that the power company does not get paid for > the power they are not using." > You call'n me a whiner Curry? -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100211/0f10578f/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:59:49 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:59:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002110855j4e828e72ra322ca4687ebbaf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <74d2fbe11002110823u62be5fa4m89c5841db5bfaf@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002110855j4e828e72ra322ca4687ebbaf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/11/10, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > > > > On 2/11/10, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thank you hearty folks from PECO who bust their butts in the freezing > cold > > > risking injury. Worth any OT they get. > > > > Injuries are BAD. I am sure they have some Commonwealth Edison folks > > here too. The Western part of Exelon. > > > > The "I don't have any power" whiners are so short on critical thinking > > that they don't realize that the power company does not get paid for > > the power they are not using." > > > > > You call'n me a whiner Curry? Nope, not at all. You were grateful. That is good. Now a lot of other people.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 17:01:05 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:01:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bimota Factory Message-ID: <4a4431121002110901x5bd756fcgd2aa19410cc49d94@mail.gmail.com> Wanna C Bimota factory?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCftKO_zbVU ECO Dano Greensboro NC From Ducdude at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 17:36:01 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:36:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN PILOTS AND CONTROL TOWER Message-ID: MessageVery old and we have seen this before but I always get a laugh ot ouf it so here it is again.... Duc Tower: "Delta 351, you have traffic at 10 o'clock, 6 miles!" Delta 351: "Give us another hint! We have digital watches!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tower: "TWA 2341, for noise abatement turn right 45 degrees." TWA 2341: "Center, we are at 35,000 feet. How much noise can we make up here?" Tower: "Sir, have you ever heard the noise a 747 makes when it hits a 727?" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From an unknown aircraft waiting in a very long takeoff queue: "I'm f...ing bored!" Ground Traffic Control: "Last aircraft transmitting, identify yourself immediately!" Unknown aircraft: "I said I was f....ing bored, not f...ing stupid!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- O'Hare Approach Control to a 747: "United 329 heavy, your traffic is a Fokker, one o'clock, three miles, Eastbound." United 329: "Approach, I've always wanted to say this...I've got the little Fokker in sight." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A student became lost during a solo cross-country flight. While attempting to locate the aircraft on radar, ATC asked, "What was your last known position?" Student: "When I was number one for takeoff." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A DC-10 had come in a little hot and thus had an exceedingly long roll out after touching down. San Jose Tower noted: "American 751, make a hard right turn at the end of the runway, if you are able. If you are not able, take the Guadalupe exit off Highway 101, make a right at the lights and return to the airport." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Pan Am 727 flight, waiting for start clearance in Munich, overheard the following: Lufthansa (in German): "Ground, what is our start clearance time?" Ground (in English): "If you want an answer you must speak in English." Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German airplane, in Germany. Why must I speak English?" Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British accent): "Because you lost the bloody war!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tower: "Eastern 702, cleared for takeoff, contact Departure on frequency124.7"Eastern 702: "Tower, Eastern 702 switching to Departure. By the way, afterwe lifted off, we saw some kind of dead animal on the far end of therunway."Tower: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff behind Eastern 702, contactDeparture on frequency 124.7. Did you copy that report from Eastern 702?"Continental 635: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff, roger; and yes, wecopied Eastern. We've already notified our caterers."------------------------------------------------------------------------------One day the pilot of a Cherokee 180 was told by the tower to hold short ofthe active runway while a DC-8 landed. The DC-8 landed, rolled out, turnedaround, and taxied back past the Cherokee. Some quick-witted comedian inthe DC-8 crew got on the radio and said,"What a cute little plane. Did you make it all by yourself?"The C! herokee pilot, not about to let the insult go by, came back with a realzinger: "I made it out of DC-8 parts. Another landing like yours and I'llhave enough parts for another one!"------------------------------------------------------------------------------The German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are renowned as ashort-tempered lot.They not only expect one to know one's gate parkinglocation, but how to get there without any assistance from them. So it waswith some amusement that we (a Pan Am 747) listened to the followingexchange between Frankfurt ground control and a British Airways 747, callsign Speedbird 206.Speedbird 206: "Frankfurt, Speedbird 206! Clear of active runway."Ground: "Speedbird 206. Taxi to gate Alpha One-Seven."The BA 747 pulled onto the main taxiway and slowed to a stop.Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"Speedbird 206: "Stand by, Ground, I'm looking up our gate location now."Ground (with quite arrogant impatience): "Speedbird 206, ! have you not beento Frankfurt before?"Speedbird 206 (coolly): "Yes, twice in 1944, but it was dark -- and Ididn't land."------------------------------------------------------------------------------While taxiing at London's Gatwick Airport, the crew of a US Air flightdeparting for Ft. Lauderdale made a wrong turn and came nose to nose with aUnited 727.An irate female ground controller lashed out at the US Air crew, screaming:"US Air 2771, where the hell are you going? I told you to turn right ontoCharlie taxiway! You turned right on Delta! Stop right there. I know it'sdifficult for you to tell the difference between C and D, but get it right!"Continuing her rage to the embarrassed crew, she was now shoutinghysterically: "God! Now you've screwed everything up! It'll take forever tosort this out! You stay right there and don't move till I tell you to! Youcan expect progressive taxi instructions in about half an hour, and I wantyou to go exactly where I tell you, when I tell you, ! and how I tell you! Yougot that, US Air 2771?""Yes, ma'am," the humbled crew responded.Naturally, the ground control communications frequency fell terribly silentafter the verbal bashing of US Air 2771. Nobody wanted to chance engagingthe irate ground controller in her current state of mind. Tension ineverycockpit out around Gatwick was definitely running high.Just then an unknown pilot broke the silence and keyed his microphone,asking:"Wasn't I married to you once?"------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Doug at pencader.com Thu Feb 11 17:59:53 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:59:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bimota Factory In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002110901x5bd756fcgd2aa19410cc49d94@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002110901x5bd756fcgd2aa19410cc49d94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <03ab01caab44$0588fcf0$109af6d0$@com> Dano wrote; >>> snips > Wanna C Bimota factory?? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCftKO_zbVU >>> endo Dan, That was pretty interesting . . . I heard the "videographer" say something about each motor being "individually built" (by one tech) . . . I'd always thought Bimota was essentially a modified Ducati . . . not true?? Thanks again for the posting. Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 11 18:42:54 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:42:54 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: References: <1074633130.2519271265886742965.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <926509084.2519621265886953765.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <8bafeb801002110606ge33d35m239e3fd0a7a63b7b@mail.gmail.com> <1f13c3621002110648m42516c1es795fa3370e64c930@mail.gmail.com> <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <58383.12.181.211.35.1265913774.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Joe Dille > wrote: > >> Speaking of traffic lights. ?I found a disadvantage to the new LED >> lights. >> ?they don't throw any heat. ?The traffic lights around here are all >> filled >> with snow. ?Some just have a little slit, other are totally filled. ?It >> made it interesting on the way to work. ? Snip... >> > > This problem was reported in NPR a few weeks ago, a big problem with > LED traffic lights in the midwest. Not enough heat generated to melt > wind blown snow. > I never saw this as a problem, but we never had snow like this. It makes sense that other places would have this kind of problem. All in all, LED lights are a good thing. They last 5-10x as long and use 5-10x less electricity. This makes them economical even at $100 each. They also fail slowly (one element out of a hundred) so you are almost never going to see one that is burnt out causing traffic issues. In urban environments they can take a lot of abuse from vandals without failure. Good for safety. > An interesting detail: the yellow light is most likely to be obscured, > both with LED and even incandescent, because this one is only ON a > very short time. The yellow lights were the last to get converted to LEDs. They are on the least, so the energy and maintenance savings were minimized. also, while it is easy to make a yellow LED, they did not have enough output at the right wavelength to meet specifications. For many years you saw LED for the red and green, but incandescent for the yellow light. Ride Safe, Joe From rdlebout at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 19:15:16 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:15:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Bimota Factory In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002110901x5bd756fcgd2aa19410cc49d94@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002110901x5bd756fcgd2aa19410cc49d94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002111115t4caaa16k425ff49ad5b648b5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Dan Whitfield wrote: > Wanna C Bimota factory?? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCftKO_zbVU > > ECO Dano > > Greensboro NC > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > maybe for the future http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/01/bimota-hb4-the-first-honda-pow.html -- Bobby LeBoutillier From jack.riepe at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 19:34:29 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:34:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Driveway shovelling in Ambler PA In-Reply-To: <236800428.2643781265904669122.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4B73A7E9.30268.4729322@localhost> <236800428.2643781265904669122.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Dear John: I got my exercie for the day too. Smilin' Joe DiGiacomo, of Planet Granite, hit our driveway with the plow for the second and final time today, opening 75% of it to blacktop. He whacked yesterday around noontime too, otherwise this stuff would be like concrete. But I had to hand him the shovel to clear away the snow drifts from the garage doors. Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From wayne at 2zars.com Thu Feb 11 21:15:09 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:15:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snowblower blues Message-ID: Well, my snowblower makes some horrible noise in any gear but 1st. I removed the cover and discovwered that the friction drive wheel is in the midst of a mid-life crisis. The bad news is the replacement part is ~$110. It's 15 years old. Might be time for a new snowblower :-( Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 11 21:20:39 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:20:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snowblower blues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7474A7.5000506@ptd.net> Wayne Woodruff wrote: > The bad news is the replacement part is ~$110. It's 15 years old. > Might be time for a new snowblower :-( > > I find that hard to believe given that snowblower technology has not changed in about 20 years plus. . What brand of blower? $110 for a friction drive wheel is insane. Ariens parts are about $25 for the same thing. Just replaced one for a friend. If the friction material is still there but chunked a bit, you could try sanding the disc round and then adjusting the friction drive. . Chris Jaccarino From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 11 21:27:11 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:27:11 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snowblower blues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63661.12.181.211.35.1265923631.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Well, my snowblower makes some horrible noise in any gear but 1st. I > removed the cover and discovwered that the friction drive wheel is in > the midst of a mid-life crisis. If you can find the part number try Google. I have had amazing luck with obscure parts and getting good pricing. Google shopping rocks. > > The bad news is the replacement part is ~$110. It's 15 years old. > Might be time for a new snowblower :-( > 15 years does not not sound like a lot. Around here you probably average 3-5 hours a year. I doubt the machine has 75 hours of use. OTOH, would you have paid $55 to have someone shovel Saturday and yesterday? Spread over the 15 years the friction wheel is only $7.33/year to lease. Ride Safe, Joe From motoedde2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 21:52:40 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:52:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? Message-ID: I'm getting ready to call it quits for shoveling...when it snows more than it 1ft. The reason being...I've got a 300ft long sidewalk...that's about 10 feet wide. I only need to clear 30 inches for a path to comply with Philadelphia law...BUT ~3ftx 300ftx1ft is a lot of know to shovel BEFORE heading into work! Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? Any suggestions on models? Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, and easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is that too much to ask for? -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From ephoet at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 22:00:51 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:00:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN PILOTS AND CONTROL TOWER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Eric Ducdude wrote: > MessageVery old and ?we have seen this before but I always get a laugh ot > ouf it so here it is again.... > > Duc > > Yeah, a bit stale. Eastern and Pan Am both folded in 1991.... about 19 years ago. Almost before the internet! But the humor is good. Erik From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 22:17:45 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snowblower blues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <291289944.2840851265926665457.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >The bad news is the replacement part is ~$110. It's 15 years old. >Might be time for a new snowblower :-( I have a friend in the snowblower repair business. If you would like I can ask him if he has any, or can recommend someone for you. He picked up my blower Tuesday night, dropped it off on Wednesday during the day, and said, "You can pay me later" it cost me $110 for the repair. With all of the use I have given it over the last two days that is a freaking bargain. My blower is about 10 years old, but better made than the new ones you see at Lowe's. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Thu Feb 11 22:22:45 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <2090079000.2842001265926798874.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <167025459.2842761265926965283.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, and >easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is that >too much to ask for? Most snowblowers are low maintenance. The biggest issue is the carbs gunking up with no use over the long warm months. Also the belts need to be adjusted regularly. Take a good look at the quality of steel that the rotors are made from. Good luck finding one in the area right now. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From motoedde2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 22:30:42 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:30:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Digital Photograph Printing Recommendation Message-ID: Does anyone have a recommendation for a shop that does a nice job printing digi-pics around the Philadelphia area or suburbs of? -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From myers.gm at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 20:28:48 2010 From: myers.gm at gmail.com (Greg Myers) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:28:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Replay of another Trials Video References: <4B70BE66.7010108@ptd.net> Message-ID: <95CFF680F72741DC9BDBA9EF443BBC5B@EGS.LOCAL> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" Subject: [MAC-PAC] Replay of another Trials Video >I know, this circled probably not too long along, but everytime I watch > the video I realize I how much I truly suck at riding. One video I > absolutely never get tired or watching. > > > Chris Jaccarino > _______________________________________________ I saw Toni and the other World Level riders in Tennessee two years ago. An amazing show of talent! Greg Myers Paradise, Pa. 92 BMW K75 Krauser 62 Tiger Cub (work in progress) 78 Montesa Cota 348 (log jumper) 87 Honda Reflex (log jumper 2) "When two courses are open, take the most venturesome." Wilfred T. Grenfell From 321design at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 23:08:47 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (321design at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:08:47 +0000 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <167025459.2842761265926965283.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <001636c5c1aeb0ed84047f5b3b09@google.com> On Feb 11, 2010 5:22pm, "johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)" wrote: > Good luck finding one in the area right now. Edde, I was looking for one for my girlfriend because she is tired of paying Mainline plowing rates. Everyone I called (Sears, Home Depot, Loewes) is out now for obvious reasons and said they will not be getting anymore shipments this year. I think you will ave to wait until next fall unless you can find a used machine. FWIW, this is from Consumer Reports: You needn't buy the biggest snow blower to get competent clearing. Manufacturers offer small, easy-handling machines for homeowners with small driveways. But for large or hilly areas or deep snow, choose a larger model with power-driven wheels. Use this snow blower guide to make your buying decision. Choose between single-stage and two-stage Wider two-stage gas models are best for big or steep driveways with lots of snow. For smaller driveways with less snowfall, consider a smaller two-stage model for slopes or gravel and a single-stage gas model if you're willing to trade some performance for relatively easy carrying and compact storage. And consider electric single-stage snow throwers only for light-duty clearing. Look for labor-saving features Many gas-powered snow throwers now offer electric starting along with multiple ground speeds and one-handed controls for the auger and drive wheels on two-stage models. Multiple ground speeds and trigger controls to ease steering are among the other perks on more and more larger machines. Check the auger and chute Larger augers tend to move more snow, while plastic chutes tend to clog less than metal ones. There is more info there if you want to see it, I can email it to you off list. And a few folks on the list might have an opinion about snow blowers. Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100211/d3ad5ef2/attachment.html From kdgregory at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 23:12:21 2010 From: kdgregory at yahoo.com (Keith D Gregory) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:12:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Digital Photograph Printing Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <595876.87052.qm@web56405.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Does anyone have a recommendation for > a shop that does a nice job printing digi-pics > around the Philadelphia area or suburbs of? Walgreens. Inexpensive, you can upload the photos online, and the quality is as good as anywhere else that uses commercial equipment (unlike film, where a good darkroom tech can do a lot to make or break a print). If you want high-end, art prints on archival paper, there's Silicon Gallery: http://www.silicongallery.org/ (I have no idea how much they charge, but it's probably in the high 3 figures). -kdg From Ducdude at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 23:19:25 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:19:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? References: Message-ID: We have a two stroke toro...Has been a blessing http://www.toro.com/home/snowthrowers/gassinglestage/ccr2450.html Duc ----- Original Message ----- From: "edde m" To: "mac-Pac" Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? > I'm getting ready to call it quits for shoveling...when it snows more > than it 1ft. > > The reason being...I've got a 300ft long sidewalk...that's about 10 > feet wide. I only need to clear 30 inches for a path to comply with > Philadelphia law...BUT ~3ftx 300ftx1ft is a lot of know to shovel > BEFORE heading into work! > > Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? > Any suggestions on models? > > Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, and > easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is that > too much to ask for? > > -- > edde m > 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), > 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) > Philadelphia, US > web: motoedde > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From jasiii at earthlink.net Thu Feb 11 23:19:34 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (James A. Sterling) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:19:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/11/10 4:52 PM, "edde m" wrote: > > Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? > Any suggestions on models? > Edde I have a Toro 2000.. Does a good job on the first 8 inches but for big snows it takes more effort.. Push, pull, push pull.. I just finished 4 driveways and 3 sidewalks,, did a few passes yesterday and detailed the clean up today.. It is a single stage and a two stroke and you need to push it; no drive wheels.. Does have electric start (which is great) but you need to run an extension cord to the body. I do drain all the left over gas each spring and I also remove the float body just to make sure. The blades are replaceable "rubber" but even after 12 years I have not yet needed to replace them.. I also wax the inside throat and the snow chute in the fall and once or twice after usage. I would buy another if or when needed. Hope this helps Jim From kdgregory at yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 23:20:13 2010 From: kdgregory at yahoo.com (Keith D Gregory) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:20:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <001636c5c1aeb0ed84047f5b3b09@google.com> Message-ID: <624259.90116.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Choose between single-stage and two-stage Always, always, always get two stage. Single-stage blowers clog easily with wet snow. Two-stage blowers will clog as well, but much less frequently. Also, when you buy one, remember to stock up on shear pins. These attach the front auger to its shaft, and are designed to break if the machine tries to ingest something stronger than snow (like downed branches). They don't break often, but it will happen. -kdg PS - you'll probably be able to find one in southern NY (say, Poughkeepsie). They haven't had the massive storms that we have. From reopropf at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 23:39:44 2010 From: reopropf at gmail.com (Peter Frechie) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:39:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Busy Cardiologist Message-ID: For you shovelers... In my catchement area: 2 shovelor cardiac arrests prior to hospital arrival, one dead, one brain dead, both older gents. 2 shoveler chest pains, one a big heart attack, stented, the other no heartattack and stented, both younger- female/male. Tomorrow, I have a full load of plumbing to do. I consider Starbuck workers ESSENTIAL Jack, handing the shovel to Joe is the right thing! I see Bill Clinton needed some plumbing. I saw his original films; I would have stented everything and kept him out of surgery. If you go to a surgeon, he will cut... Stay warm, Peter From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 11 23:53:53 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:53:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <167025459.2842761265926965283.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <2090079000.2842001265926798874.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B745241.5485.70BFD40@localhost> > > > >Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, and > >easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is that > >too much to ask for? > > > Most snowblowers are low maintenance. The biggest issue is the carbs gunking up with no use over the long warm months. Also the belts need to be adjusted regularly. Take a good look at the quality of steel that the rotors are made from. Good luck finding one in the area right now. > Edde, We need a little more information about your situation. How much area do you have to clear? Do you have a place to keep a gas powered device? My guess is you just have a sidewalk to clear and not much room to store a machine. I think the electric ones are mere toys and will be like emptying a bathtub with a tablespoon. Easy on your back, but it will take for ever. I have good luck with a 2-stroke single stage blower. It is light enough to carry and gets right down to the pavement. The rubber blades are gentle-ish on things they hit. It struggles with anything over 12", but you develop a nibbling technique, or knock the snow down and them blow it away. The 2-stroke motor has been maintenance free for ~20 years. The only issue has been eating a belt when I really get abusive. I have a no-name. I have looked at the Toro and Honda and they look like they will do the job. A 2-stage self propelled machine is the cool tool for a large job. The slow turning auger breaks up the snow and a small high speed blade does the blowing. They are big and heavy. Many have a 110V electric starter. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 11 23:55:25 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:55:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Digital Photograph Printing Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4B74529D.7902.70D6538@localhost> > Does anyone have a recommendation for a shop that does a nice job > printing digi-pics around the Philadelphia area or suburbs of? > > How nice do you want? Wal-mart and CVS do it while you wait. You can do it online and pick them up at the store. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 11 23:57:50 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:57:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC798D26E3C153-EA8-5BB3@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> <> Only if it snows :) <> There are three brand choices: 1 Honda 2) Honda 3) Honda Model: Honda HS520A (20" single stage, without electric starter, totally unnecessary with a Honda motor, they ALWAYS start instantly.) http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/modeldetail.aspx?page=modeldetail§ion=P2SB&modelname=HS520A&modelid=HS520A <> We bought ours in 1994 (HS520AS) when there was a 24" storm here. We pooled our resources with 2 neighbors and got one machine. I did the storage and service, we split the cost 3 ways, I got $100 off. I think we paid around $800 or so, IIRC.(We got the one with electric start, the one neighbor said his wife wanted that. She never once came out of the house after a storm...) When one neighbor sold his house and moved to Georgia, he gave us his interest in the machine. The other neighbor got too old and hired a plow guy. so he gave me full ownership of it. In 16 years, it has required one $12 rubber strip, and gotten about three oil changes. I always INTEND to draina dn flush the fuel system, mostly I just dump in some StaBil when I think of it, and stick it in the shed. It ALWAYS starts on the first two pulls in the first storm, after that it is one-pull to start every time. Today it moved a 40" pile of packed snow at the end of the driveway (piled by the plows) pretty easily. Honda Engine story that is related: I needed generic small motor for a racebike starter roller I built about 25 years ago. So I bought a Honda snowblower motor through a friend at Honda for about $200, brand new in the box. It came bolted to a wood base, nothing attached to the crank. I needed to order a centrifugal clutch for it, so I needed to know which way the crank rotated to order the right clutch. I opened the box, reached in and pulled on the starter rope, only about 10", watching the crank rotation. I walked away to make the notes I needed, and the box started "walking" across the floor. The engine had started, with a 10" pull on the rope, no choke, after sitting in the box for god knows how long. I opened the box and the little motor was just purring along at about 400 rpm. That motor never gave us a bit of trouble for twelve years of severe abuse and zero maintenance. If BMW motorcycles were like Honda engines, I'd have to go get a real job. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 12 00:00:42 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:00:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <624259.90116.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <001636c5c1aeb0ed84047f5b3b09@google.com> Message-ID: <4B7453DA.10920.712399B@localhost> > > Choose between single-stage and two-stage > > Always, always, always get two stage. Single-stage blowers clog easily > with wet snow. Two-stage blowers will clog as well, but much less > frequently. > My single stage 2-stroke does not clog. It is a newer style The old 4-stroke single stage blowers were very bad for clogging. > Also, when you buy one, remember to stock up on shear pins. These > attach the front auger to its shaft, and are designed to break if the > machine tries to ingest something stronger than snow (like downed > branches). They don't break often, but it will happen. The rubber blades for a single stage take the shock loads. > > -kdg > > PS - you'll probably be able to find one in southern NY (say, > Poughkeepsie). They haven't had the massive storms that we have. Good idea. Perhaps a romantic get away combined with a hardware purchase. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From 321design at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 00:04:38 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:04:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Busy Cardiologist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002111604q711a1658p39b65039f62a68ea@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Peter Frechie wrote: > For you shovelers... > > > 2 shoveler chest pains, one a big heart attack, stented, the other no > heartattack and stented, both younger- female/male. > That's scary. How young? Over weight? -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100211/e0c6c886/attachment.html From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 12 00:12:31 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:12:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <624259.90116.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <001636c5c1aeb0ed84047f5b3b09@google.com> <624259.90116.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >> Choose between single-stage and two-stage > >Always, always, always get two stage. Single-stage blowers clog easily with wet snow. Two-stage blowers will clog as well, but much less frequently. Never say always or never ... Yesterday, I was helping my neighbor clear the nasty mess at the bottom of the driveway. My 2-stage, self-propelled version did very well at crawling thru the nasty mess. Another neighbor's one-stage, two-stroke did a fantastic job at cleaning up what was left behind. I have seen these two stroke models do a fine job and would not discount them as a viable solution for edde. I know several landscapers who carry both types. >Also, when you buy one, remember to stock up on shear pins. These attach the front auger to its shaft, and are designed to break if the machine tries to ingest something stronger than snow (like downed branches). They don't break often, but it will happen. Yes. In 15 years, I've only busted one, but I have plenty of spares. > >-kdg > >PS - you'll probably be able to find one in southern NY (say, Poughkeepsie). They haven't had the massive storms that we have. Good suggestion. Call some stores a couple of hours north and see what they have. Back in '96, you couldn't find one around here to save your life. One of my co-workers visited his parents in VA and brought on back. He indicated that there were plenty in stock down there. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 00:18:03 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:18:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Busy Cardiologist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B749E3B.4050104@ptd.net> Peter Frechie wrote: > For you shovelers... > > In my catchement area: > > 2 shovelor cardiac arrests prior to hospital arrival, one dead, one > brain dead, both older gents. > > 2 shoveler chest pains, one a big heart attack, stented, the other no > heartattack and stented, both younger- female/male. > > Shame, but that's less than the 6 hand amputations the local hand surgeon completed up here for those chorine concentrated individuals trying to unclog a running snowblower with their bare hands! Chris Jaccarino From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 12 00:19:45 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:19:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <001636c5c1aeb0ed84047f5b3b09@google.com> Message-ID: <8CC79903572B7E3-7658-4B5@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> Take this from a mechanic who fixes machines every day: The snowblowers and tractors that you find at Home Depot and Lowe's are total SHIT, don't even look at them. Many of them ar reverse-engineered in China from good designs, re-made from junk materials. A neighbor dragged his POS Lowe's snowblower down here this morning for me to take a look at it. The large drive pulley had fractured in half. I looked at the fracture, and I would swear that it was made from pressed DIRT with silver paint on it. Honest. The Chinese will sell you whatever you will accept. They have absolutely no pride nor do they care at all whethe the thing works. On the same machine, the gas was soaking right through the carburetor bowl joint. No gasket in the design at all, and the casting looked like it was done by a campfire. The neighbor had paid $799 for the snowblower in December. Lowe's told him to bring it in and they would look at it in 3-4 weeks, then order the parts needed. So it will be ready just after the last snow of the year, and the warranty willexpire before the first snowfall next year. The Honda Power Equipment dealer by me just closed his doors, he can't sell $750 Honda snowblowers because all the idiots go to Lowe's and Home Depot and pay more for trash. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 00:23:14 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:23:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <8CC798D26E3C153-EA8-5BB3@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC798D26E3C153-EA8-5BB3@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B749F72.7090504@ptd.net> Tom Cutter wrote: > If BMW motorcycles were like Honda engines, I'd have to go get a real job. > Oh man, I could really use that phrase somehow. Chris Jaccarino From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 12 00:23:31 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:23:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Digital Photograph Printing Recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Does anyone have a recommendation for a shop that does a nice job >printing digi-pics around the Philadelphia area or suburbs of? New York Camera and Video, on Street Rd in Southampton is local. I've not printed there, but they have a good reputation as a camera retailer. http://www.nycv.com/index.htm There are some online places that do a very good job. You might want to keep this around should you want to use an online service. I recommend Adorama Pix. I'm very happy with the prints I have received. For special shots, I tend to print on non-standard paper. http://www.adoramapix.com/HomePreLogin.aspx?NextPage=http%3a%2f%2fwww.adoramapix.com%2findex.aspx Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 00:10:21 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:10:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B749C6D.4090704@ptd.net> edde m wrote: > I'm getting ready to call it quits for shoveling...when it snows more > than it 1ft. > > The reason being...I've got a 300ft long sidewalk...that's about 10 > feet wide. I only need to clear 30 inches for a path to comply with > Philadelphia law...BUT ~3ftx 300ftx1ft is a lot of know to shovel > BEFORE heading into work! > > Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? > Any suggestions on models? > > Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, and > easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is that > too much to ask for? > > Yes, snowblowers make sense. Ever have back issues.....one trip to the ER like I had last month (not from snowblowing mind you) and you have paid for several snowblowers. Find a used Ariens professional model or some other brand's commercial model. Hit up Craigslist. Commercial models usually have more grease fittings than the consumer level products, but really are just built stronger...and should have a cast iron gear box in the middle of the auger. Almost all the motors now days are either Briggs & Strattion of Tecumseh. Most every brand of snowblower now days is built by MTD out of Canada...they are all essentially the same just branded and painted differently with a couple of minor differences....except of course things like Honda. You can easily find decent to good consumer 2-stage blowers for anywhere from $350 to $600. The better commercial rated stuff is in the $750 to $900 range..used of course. I go used, and I'd go back 4-6 years. Once a year maintenance on a blower is cleaning, greasing stuff, oil change, etc. and your done....about 1.5 hours total work if you are truly slow. Snowblower really shouldnt break as long as you dont eat things while snowblowing...rocks, bricks, newspapers, electrical cords, etc. Chris Jaccarino From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 00:27:04 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:27:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists References: <4B7409A5.70406@argolis.org> <3f2b32881002110712g6ccb9b79y7e1f6c7f2dcc57c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Roberts LeBoutillier On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Rick Sorensen wrote: >>> http://www.snaz75.com/pl-skintight-3000.html >> >> Linda could wear thee and be flat footed on her GS > > But the heels would catch pavement in the twisties. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > Sally Robinson - Mrs. Sally Halterman 2120 H street northwest, Washington DC Born around 1910 Her 100th birthday is around now. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGIH_en&q=Sally%20Robinson%20Washington%20Motorcycle&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl Capitolians Motorcycle Club More details on the bikehttp://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531714' _____________________________________________ Grandmom I wondered where the heck you went to! ;-) Jim Robinson West Chester PA 1995 BMW R1100GS Adventure "Little Enos" 1996 BMW K1100RS "The Red Baron" 2002 Ducati ST4S "Corbin Special" 2004 BMW R1150GS Adventure "Big Enos" From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 00:30:17 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:30:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <8CC79903572B7E3-7658-4B5@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC79903572B7E3-7658-4B5@webmail-m077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B74A119.7010602@ptd.net> Tom Cutter wrote: > On the same machine, the gas was soaking right through the carburetor bowl joint. No gasket in the > design at all, and the casting looked like it was done by a campfire. > Big deal, talk to Ducati...lol Although the Ducati castings are better. Chris Jaccarino From jaburke4 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 00:32:43 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:32:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: References: <24325.12.181.211.35.1265902284.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <835043101.2641801265904445810.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <74d2fbe11002110823u62be5fa4m89c5841db5bfaf@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002110855j4e828e72ra322ca4687ebbaf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Got up this am fired up the insert, fired up the generator (Didn't feel comfortable leaving it run all night.) Made some coffee and started to dig again even though power was off still. Three feet of fresh plow manure greeted me at the end of the drive. (I'm going to go plow tipping some night for revenge!!!) Dug in and warmed myself up. About noonish the PECO truck rolled by and the power flickered back on. Just as I was getting ready to tap the R100R for her fuel supply. When the generator was running I alternately swapped the one power cable among the lights and fans last night. (Fans help circulate the heat from the insert.) To the different refrigerators today to help keep the cooling going. I appreciate the job those line men do. When the truck came down the street I thanked them for all that they were doing, then asked when they thought the power might be restored. Can't imagine trudging through the deep snow to some lines behind the houses. Interested in some pictures from around the property, look here http://gallery.me.com/jaburke4#100094 Check out the snow depth on the pool fence through the different picts. And also note that all are in color but the ones during the storm seem to be black and white. John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 00:27:16 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:27:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <001636c5c1aeb0ed84047f5b3b09@google.com> <624259.90116.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B74A064.1010503@ptd.net> Wayne Woodruff wrote: > Call some stores a couple of hours north and see > what they have. > In Allentown area.....Kmart, Sear and Home Depot...out A guy came up to me in Macungie from Delaware to buy the snowblower I was selling. He said there was nothing available down by him. I said to him that's no likely so I called the Allentown area.....Kmart, Sear and Home Depot...all sold out. Chris Jaccarino From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Fri Feb 12 00:41:03 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:41:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? References: Message-ID: <003401caab7c$0e8f09b0$4101a8c0@FastHP> > I'm getting ready to call it quits for shoveling...when it snows more > than it 1ft. > > The reason being...I've got a 300ft long sidewalk...that's about 10 > feet wide. I only need to clear 30 inches for a path to comply with > Philadelphia law...BUT ~3ftx 300ftx1ft is a lot of know to shovel > BEFORE heading into work! > > Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? > Any suggestions on models? > > Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, and > easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is that > too much to ask for? > Remember when you buy a snow blower or snow thrower as John Deere calls it that the name brands at some place like Home Depot or Lowe's are usually a cheaper quality version of the one you would by from a dealer or other reputable store. I know this is true with John Deere tractors and would assume other devices would be the same. Check the model numbers if you are not sure. Marge From Ducdude at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 00:42:13 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:42:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? References: <4B749D79.1070208@ptd.net> Message-ID: <9ABAD5EA60654C1C8CBE447CACB05B7D@heilveil5e3fdd> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? > Edde > > One thing I forgot to mention, if you are clearing lots of concrete, > snowblowers with the "plastic" skids on each side of the auger glide > easier and feel smoothing going across concrete than those with metal > skids....even if they are adjusted correctly. The newer Craftsman > models come with the plastic skids or you can do like I have done, get a > piece of HDPE or other hard plastic and fashion your own skids....you > wont believe how much easier your life will be. > > Metal skids work fine on asphalt. > > > Chris Jaccarino > From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 01:01:38 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1701742750.2903831265936498412.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >Back in '96, you couldn't find one around here to save your life. One >of my co-workers visited his parents in VA and brought on back. He >indicated that there were plenty in stock down there. I wouldn't count on that tactic. Northern VA has gotten hit harder than we have this year. They have been off school all week. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From mjcantwe at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 01:02:44 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:02:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <9ABAD5EA60654C1C8CBE447CACB05B7D@heilveil5e3fdd> References: <4B749D79.1070208@ptd.net> <9ABAD5EA60654C1C8CBE447CACB05B7D@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002111702r2e98a95i79531f00c293f025@mail.gmail.com> I have a 36" MTD with 8.5 horse B&S electric start, but if I were to purchase a new machine it'd be a two-stroke toro. Won't bog down in the heavy stuff. From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 01:13:06 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:13:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Snowblower and other stuff....... Message-ID: <4B74AB22.7030700@ptd.net> For the more rural folks......... http://allentown.craigslist.org/grd/1595499544.html Too good to be true? Chris Jaccarino From mjcantwe at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 01:14:53 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:14:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Snowblower and other stuff....... In-Reply-To: <4B74AB22.7030700@ptd.net> References: <4B74AB22.7030700@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002111714m27ae0edt55731c7ffada5bd6@mail.gmail.com> $1600 that's a steal. From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 01:18:39 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:18:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] One Hell of a Beast Message-ID: <4B74AC6F.4010705@ptd.net> Man, this thing sounds fast..........I mean it's not a normal 250 the way this guy presents it......lol http://allentown.craigslist.org/mcy/1595284331.html Chris Jaccarino From jaburke4 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 00:47:05 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:47:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Avoid this unit at all costs. Bought just before the December snow and has been nothing but problems since!!!! http://www.sears.com:80/shc/s/p_10153_12605_07188779000P Recommend spending big since it will last a lifetime in this area. My neighbor up the street saved us today with his gargantuan snow-thrower which ate up the plow-manure like it was cotton candy! don't know the model but holy moly! John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From jaburke4 at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 01:03:07 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:03:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Neck Skydiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ferget that did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z53mFymC2U&NR John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 12 02:22:30 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:22:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Neck Skydiving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:03:07 -0500, you wrote: >Ferget that did you see this? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z53mFymC2U&NR > Pretty funny, but it must have made one hellofa mess. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 02:28:33 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:28:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania - You've Got (Bankruptcy) Next! Message-ID: <4B74BCD1.2030700@ptd.net> http://www.fundmymutualfund.com/2010/02/harrisburg-pennsylvania-youve-got.html If you expect a state funded pension you should read this...and then probably hide.... because let's face it, when increased taxes are mandated to pay these bills and are forced upon the public, anyone sucking off the public tit will not be viewed quite so nicely....imo of course....unless of course, you think the public likes increased taxes. Chris Jaccarino From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 12 02:54:46 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:54:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? References: Message-ID: <44AE926211474F60828D02A008550AD3@9200c> Hello Edde, From: "edde m" > I'm getting ready to call it quits for shoveling...when it snows more > than it 1ft. > > The reason being...I've got a 300ft long sidewalk...that's about 10 > feet wide. I only need to clear 30 inches for a path to comply with > Philadelphia law...BUT ~3ftx 300ftx1ft is a lot of know to shovel > BEFORE heading into work! > > Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? > Any suggestions on models? > > Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, and > easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is that > too much to ask for? I used to have (the ex-wife currently enjoys) a Toro brand self-propelled snow-blower. The big plus is a single joy-stick that controls the direction of the exhaust chute (over 180 degrees), as well as the angle (infinitely variable from "high" to "dump beside you"). It was always easy to start, never quit, and never got jammed. -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Fri Feb 12 03:00:28 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:00:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? References: <4B749D79.1070208@ptd.net><9ABAD5EA60654C1C8CBE447CACB05B7D@heilveil5e3fdd> <8bafeb801002111702r2e98a95i79531f00c293f025@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007401caab8f$883c59d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> >I have a 36" MTD with 8.5 horse B&S electric start, but if I were to > purchase a new machine it'd be a two-stroke toro. Won't bog down in > the heavy stuff. But don't two stroke engines get gummed up and become hard to start as a opposed to a 4 stroke? Marge From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 12 03:11:23 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:11:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <007401caab8f$883c59d0$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <4B74808B.10688.7C0CDCD@localhost> > >I have a 36" MTD with 8.5 horse B&S electric start, but if I were to > > purchase a new machine it'd be a two-stroke toro. Won't bog down in > > the heavy stuff. > > But don't two stroke engines get gummed up and become hard to start as > a opposed to a 4 stroke? > > My experience: Sears backpack leaf blower ~19 years NO Sears Weed Wacker ~20 years NO Echo 12" Chain saw ~10 years NO MTD snow blower ~22 year NO Homelite hedge trimmer ~20 years YES (exhaust port) IDC tiller (now called Mantis) ~25 years NO 1973 Suzuki ~25 years NO For some reason the exhaust on the Homelite plugs up every few years. Not a big deal. It is sort of like a piece of coal in the port. It is soft and comes out with some poking. To the best of my knowledge everything is still on the original plug. I neglect all of the above religiously. YMMV. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 03:12:55 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:12:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House Message-ID: <0424E178746C492C9AA786999CA62387@Tekki> Is it confirmed that Hermy's is on this Saturday? Or did I misunderstand something? Rick Sorensen R1150GS - Pseudo Adventure "TEKKI" - 'iron knight' R1150GS "KANKU III" - 'to view the sky' -------------------------------------------- "Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing often and for the same reason." Mark Twain From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 12 03:14:26 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:14:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <44AE926211474F60828D02A008550AD3@9200c> Message-ID: <4B748142.16586.7C397E0@localhost> > Hello Edde, > > From: "edde m" > > > I'm getting ready to call it quits for shoveling...when it snows > > more than it 1ft. > > > > The reason being...I've got a 300ft long sidewalk...that's about 10 > > feet wide. I only need to clear 30 inches for a path to comply with > > Philadelphia law...BUT ~3ftx 300ftx1ft is a lot of know to shovel > > BEFORE heading into work! > > > > Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? > > Any suggestions on models? > > > > Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, > > and easy enough to work on...inexpensive replacement parts, etc. Is > > that too much to ask for? > > I used to have (the ex-wife currently enjoys) a Toro brand > self-propelled snow-blower. The big plus is a single joy-stick that > controls the direction of the exhaust chute (over 180 degrees), as > well as the angle (infinitely variable from "high" to "dump beside > you"). It was always easy to start, never quit, and never got jammed. > Coming from Canada you should know.... The one my neighbor lent me last night was a large Toro with the joy- stick for the chute. This was a cool feature once I figured it out. ( I kept moving the wrong way at first) Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From mjcantwe at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 04:19:30 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:19:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4B748142.16586.7C397E0@localhost> References: <44AE926211474F60828D02A008550AD3@9200c> <4B748142.16586.7C397E0@localhost> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002112019t7edab306x8853e05e454a2d0@mail.gmail.com> This should work... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-YKdvM9RE&feature=related ...or maybe something like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvc86yDJz-k&feature=related just watch out for the cat and the neighbors car. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 04:34:39 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:34:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002112019t7edab306x8853e05e454a2d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <44AE926211474F60828D02A008550AD3@9200c> <4B748142.16586.7C397E0@localhost> <8bafeb801002112019t7edab306x8853e05e454a2d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/11/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: > > just watch out for the cat and the neighbors car. They will find them in the spring. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 05:19:41 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:19:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] More Snow!! Not. Message-ID: <4a4431121002112119i4d78197by592da7ff9fd2125e@mail.gmail.com> Looks like another round of snow (good thing, cause we were almost out of it) for us here in Greensboro, NC. Fortunately, the weather.com says that it won't be going north up to you guys this time. Long as it's gone by Daytona, I'm OK with it. ECO Dano From rys at R2Controls.com Fri Feb 12 05:47:58 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:47:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <44AE926211474F60828D02A008550AD3@9200c> <4B748142.16586.7C397E0@localhost> <8bafeb801002112019t7edab306x8853e05e454a2d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <024401caaba6$ee9196c0$cbb4c440$@com> Although we missed most of the recent snow here in Mansfield, MA (only 6 inches this time), I lived near Buffalo, NY during the blizzard of 77. They got 4 feet of snow in 1 day and they had a real hard time removing that much from the city, even though they had a lot of good equipment. Up north in Youngstown, NY we had less snow but massive drifts. Many fields and roads were blown clear of snow but many drifts were 10-20 feet high and before plowing you had to climb on top and pole for cars. I then moved back to MA just in time for the 78 blizzard. We had over 3 feet, and all the small plows were overwhelmed and roads were closed for 3-4 days. Big money if you owned a pay loader. In both cases it seems there was a good sense of camaraderie as neighbors helped each other out. I heard on the CB radio there were people stranded in their cars on RT95 so I skied out with a spare set of snowshoes and rescued one guy in his car - he stayed at our house for 3 days. We ran out of wine just as a bulldozer finally plowed our street. The guy on the bulldozer looked like he had been working for 2 days straight. He took out most of the curbing, sheared off 4 concrete posts and managed to wreck a fire hydrant too - that was just on our street. On RT95 they brought down the big snow blowers from Logan Airport, as the plows made such a tall berm they still had the right lane covered. Moving snow is work (Force times Distance). The human body does not have much horsepower (except Doug Raymond who shovels 1500 foot driveways), so one year I decided to make a plow for my 78 Mercedes Diesel. Just plywood and 2x4's with a few ratchet straps to the bumper, and a rope out the sunroof for lift. Even with 2 wheel drive it worked very well, as long as I took partial swipes in the heavy stuff. After a year or 2, I retired the plow and broke down for a good snow blower, I have the Honda 928 with hydrostatic drive. Solid, reliable, easy to use, but rather expensive. Blowers do a nice neat job especially on pavement/concrete, but they will throw rocks on a gravel driveway. Just watch out for bricks and floor mats, as they break the shear pins. Also during snow followed by rain, get out there before it freezes solid as this machine will blow wet slush pretty well too. To get that Honda required ordering it 1 year in advance! Rick Rys 2006 R1200GSA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 05:48:53 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:48:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Computer: If you have Windows "Updates" auto installed for you Message-ID: You might be seeing this and replying via your "smart" phone. One of the latest updates BSOD Windows. You will need your ORIGINAL Install CD to run the "Recovery Console" to run some command line scripts. http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1 -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rdlebout at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 11:33:28 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:33:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002110712g6ccb9b79y7e1f6c7f2dcc57c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7409A5.70406@argolis.org> <3f2b32881002110712g6ccb9b79y7e1f6c7f2dcc57c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002120333t2cafb7fanf8fb01d7a18f4fe@mail.gmail.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mac-pac-l mailing list >> Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l >> > Sally Robinson - Mrs. Sally Halterman > 2120 H street northwest, Washington DC > Born around 1910 > Her 100th birthday is around now. > > http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGIH_en&q=Sally%20Robinson%20Washington%20Motorcycle&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl "its a harley, 31-34 VL, those were the only years that had that style tool box under the headlight. with the glare on the tank, its hard to see the emblem, but it looks like the 30-32 style. Also, the tail light was shrouded on 34 & later models. so my guess is its a 31 or 32 VL, 74" sidevalve" "yep, your right, I didnt notice that. It would be an RL then (45", the VL's of that era were 74") as I dont think they made the DL's that late. I have a 29 DL motor, it was called the 3 cylinder harley, as the generator mounted vertically next to the front jug. Not many RL's out there, as they cost almost as much as the VL, had less power, & weighed about the same. I had a 36 VL with the rare 4 speed in it. Found it in a basement in minnesota where it had been since the 60's" > > Capitolians Motorcycle Club > > More details on the bikehttp://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531714' > > Jack - follow up story??? > -- > Bobby LeBoutillier > -- Bobby LeBoutillier From rdlebout at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 11:47:14 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:47:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC auction Message-ID: <3f2b32881002120347o746a7c64p6fdfcd8d464dbe0e@mail.gmail.com> >From another list. http://www.myclassicmotorcycle.com/index.htm -- Bobby LeBoutillier From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 12 12:18:54 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:18:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002112019t7edab306x8853e05e454a2d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B748142.16586.7C397E0@localhost> Message-ID: <4B7500DE.18150.9B61393@localhost> > This should work... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-YKdvM9RE&feature=related > > I have seen this one. They featured it on TV the other night on CSI NY. The bad guys used it to get rid of the bodies! That does not look far fetched. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 12 12:36:33 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:36:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! Message-ID: <8CC79F724A18A05-BF4-661A@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> Enough drivel about two-stroke snowblowers and Harley VL's, I say! It's TIME TO RUMBLE! Mac-Pac vs. All NJ BMW Clubs! http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 12 12:39:35 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:39:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Computer: If you have Windows "Updates" auto installedfor you References: Message-ID: Hello Brian, From: "Brian Curry" > You might be seeing this and replying via your "smart" phone. > > One of the latest updates BSOD Windows. You will need your ORIGINAL > Install CD to run the "Recovery Console" to run some command line > scripts. > > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1 Thanks for alerting us. I do a backup on weekends, and then apply the latest patches, knowing that MS Updates are issued on "Patch Tuesday", and sometimes, stuff like this has ugly consequences. Typically, they issue a fix by the weekend, or withdraw the problematic patch from distribution. Imagine running into a problem like this and not having a second computer, or a backup :-( BTW, how did you discover this issue and solution to it? -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 12 12:53:30 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:53:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] More Snow!! Not. In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002112119i4d78197by592da7ff9fd2125e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002112119i4d78197by592da7ff9fd2125e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B754F4A.5070001@argolis.org> Dan Whitfield wrote: > Looks like another round of snow (good thing, cause we were almost out > of it) for us here in Greensboro, NC. > > Fortunately, the weather.com says that it won't be going north up to > you guys this time. > > Long as it's gone by Daytona, I'm OK with it. Somehow, I don't think the snow here is going to melt before Daytona. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=56529&id=1203742077&l=4c37d9f63f From kdgregory at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 12:38:50 2010 From: kdgregory at yahoo.com (Keith D Gregory) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:38:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002112019t7edab306x8853e05e454a2d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <654350.55658.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: > This should work... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-YKdvM9RE&feature=related Bah. If you want big, go big: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frBh5vO_2g0 (this is 5 minutes long, which says something about the person shooting it). My hometown had a rotary plow. I don't know what the conditions were that prompted its use. Certainly not for every storm, because it needed a row of dump trucks to take the snow away (which was then dumped on the beach, since banned by the EPA). -kdg From jasiii at earthlink.net Fri Feb 12 13:43:26 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:43:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! Message-ID: <20086491.1265982206513.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >It's TIME TO RUMBLE! > >Mac-Pac vs. All NJ BMW Clubs! > >http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg > > >Tom Cutter I would rather just watch these two :-> Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 13:48:41 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:48:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: <4B7500DE.18150.9B61393@localhost> References: <4B748142.16586.7C397E0@localhost> <4B7500DE.18150.9B61393@localhost> Message-ID: <4B755C39.1070503@ptd.net> Joe Dille wrote: > >> This should work... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-YKdvM9RE&feature=related >> >> >> > I have seen this one. They featured it on TV the other night on CSI > NY. The bad guys used it to get rid of the bodies! That does not > look far fetched. > > > He's cheating....there's a pretty good wind going with the discharge.....as can be seen in the snow dust when the blower is coming towards the camera. Chris Jaccarino From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 12 14:08:40 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:08:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? EPA Issues In-Reply-To: <654350.55658.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <654350.55658.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7560E8.4030506@ptd.net> Keith D Gregory wrote: > My hometown had a rotary plow. I don't know what the conditions were that prompted its use. Certainly not for every storm, because it needed a row of dump trucks to take the snow away (which was then dumped on the beach, since banned by the EPA). > > Excuse the subject change but I changed the subject header to document. Snow dumping on beach Banned by the EPA, huh. Whether snow is dumped on the beach, a grass field, or left in the streets to melt, all the "conservative" groundwater contaminants that help the snow melt and roads not freeze (salt and magnesium chloride), all wind up in the groundwater....so why they banned the process makes no sense to me. The only reason EPA could have been worried about snow on the beach was due to road oils, not salt issues, if you ask me. You can easily chart the groundwater DATA for chloride concentrations when a new roadway goes into an area and begins operation. Take Route 78 up in the Allentown area. There wasnt a roadway there for quite some time and then poof, there is the Interstate along with PennDoTs road decing programs. The monitoring wells in the area show increased chloride levels soon after the salting began. They did this study because of Schantz Spring which is Allentowns water supply. I havent seen the data in a number of years, but early on it didnt look good if you ask me. As any good groundwater geologist knows, chlorides are considered a "conservative" contaminate, meaning they are not absorbed or otherwise "slowed" through the soil profile...they move with the wetting front (precipitation) through the soil profile and thus become part of the groundwater in no time. And the only way they get out of the groundwater is by dilution. Removal of "salt" contamination from water is not a cheap process. Funny how I had a foundry client with a severe "salt" contamination problem in his landfill. We collected the groundwater, evaporated it in his foundry, but had too much to deal with. I told him he should sell it to PENNDot as a road deicing agent.....dont think he ever did......but some years later magnesium chloride should up as a road deicing agent. BTW, the landfill is now a state remedial action and nothing is done about it...because there really isnt anything one can do...no treatment facility wanted thousands of gallons of highly concentrated salt water because they simply cant treat it...they just dilute it. High blood pressure, increased salt intake....you think about it...even with the EPA drinking water standards your govt is killing you. But as long as concentrations are below the standards, its acceptable for the public, but the concentrations are rising in many metro/developed areas. Chris Jaccarino From kdgregory at yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 14:20:21 2010 From: kdgregory at yahoo.com (Keith D Gregory) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 06:20:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? EPA Issues In-Reply-To: <4B7560E8.4030506@ptd.net> Message-ID: <749298.11853.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Chris wrote: > contaminants that help the snow melt and roads not freeze > (salt and magnesium chloride), all wind up in the > groundwater....so why they banned the process makes no sense > to me.? The only reason EPA could have been worried > about snow on the beach was due to road oils, not salt > issues, if you ask me. I can't speak for the EPA, but I suspect it was driven more by an attempt to keep trash off the beach and out of the harbor. -kdg From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 14:47:18 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? EPA Issues In-Reply-To: <4B7560E8.4030506@ptd.net> Message-ID: <2134621559.3058691265986038490.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >Snow dumping on beach Banned by the EPA, huh. Whether snow is dumped on >the beach, a grass field, or left in the streets to melt, all the >"conservative" groundwater contaminants that help the snow melt and >roads not freeze (salt and magnesium chloride), all wind up in the >groundwater....so why they banned the process makes no sense to me. The >only reason EPA could have been worried about snow on the beach was due >to road oils, not salt issues, if you ask me. In D.C. they have been dumping the snow into the Potomac, and they showed video of that this morning. Not a peep from the EPA. Potomac dumps directly into the Bay then on to the ocean, I really can not see how dumping it into the river is any better for the environment, but its D.C. so it is screwed up. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 14:48:42 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Computer: If you have Windows "Updates" auto installedfor you In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426548438.3059641265986122211.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > One of the latest updates BSOD Windows. You will need your ORIGINAL > Install CD to run the "Recovery Console" to run some command line > scripts. > > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1 Yep killed my desktop as well. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 14:53:44 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:53:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Computer: If you have Windows "Updates" auto installedfor you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/12/10, Steve Makohin wrote: > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1 > > BTW, how did you discover this issue and solution to it? Another "moto" list. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 15:01:57 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:01:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! In-Reply-To: <20086491.1265982206513.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20086491.1265982206513.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 2/12/10, Jim Sterling wrote: > >It's TIME TO RUMBLE! > > > >Mac-Pac vs. All NJ BMW Clubs! > > > >http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg > > > > > >Tom Cutter > > > I would rather just watch these two :-> Ducdude will be checking out the boots. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From brian at whatever2k.com Fri Feb 12 15:09:13 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:09:13 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Computer: If you have Windows "Updates" auto installedfor you In-Reply-To: <426548438.3059641265986122211.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <426548438.3059641265986122211.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B756F19.5000001@whatever2k.com> >> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1 > > > Yep killed my desktop as well. Ubuntu. Fedora. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 12 15:19:59 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:19:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Check the kids homework! Message-ID: <8CC7A0DF99EB1FA-56D4-E956@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> http://www.lolfbmoments.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/When-I-grow-up.jpg Read the fine print! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 12 15:43:52 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:43:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE] Message-ID: <4B757738.2020904@argolis.org> Interesting. Vairable compression, exhaust timing, etc. Used to optimize for gasoline vs. alcohol. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:38:22 -0500 http://www.grouplotus.com/manageshowcase/uploadpassthru/8628.swf From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 12 15:47:21 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:47:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] The Great Slider Ride -- First Notice... In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1001261942w4f092dedx410486c0ec74de03@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1001261942w4f092dedx410486c0ec74de03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B757809.8000305@argolis.org> Michael Evans wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: >> Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: >> >> First notice: >> > > > > Jack, > > First Response: I'll put it on my calendar > > Jack, as long as the snow is gone I'll take a ride. From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 16:02:58 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:02:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002120333t2cafb7fanf8fb01d7a18f4fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7409A5.70406@argolis.org> <3f2b32881002110712g6ccb9b79y7e1f6c7f2dcc57c3@mail.gmail.com> <3f2b32881002120333t2cafb7fanf8fb01d7a18f4fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002120802k6d915961i6fc32eb1ba43dfbc@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mac-pac-l mailing list >>> Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >>> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l >>> >> Sally Robinson - Mrs. Sally Halterman >> 2120 H street northwest, Washington DC >> Born around 1910 >> Her 100th birthday is around now. >> > >> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGIH_en&q=Sally%20Robinson%20Washington%20Motorcycle&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl > > "its a harley, 31-34 VL, those were the only years that had that style > tool box under the headlight. with the glare on the tank, its hard to > see the emblem, but it looks like the 30-32 style. Also, the tail > light was shrouded on 34 & later models. > so my guess is its a 31 or 32 VL, 74" sidevalve" > > "yep, your right, I didnt notice that. It would be an RL then (45", > the VL's of that era were 74") as I dont think they made the DL's that > late. I have a 29 DL motor, it was called the 3 cylinder harley, as > the generator mounted vertically next to the front jug. > > Not many RL's out there, as they cost almost as much as the VL, had > less power, & weighed about the same. > > I had a 36 VL with the rare 4 speed in it. Found it in a basement in > minnesota where it had been since the 60's" Do you really think that an 88 lb person could kick start a 1200 cc Harley successfully?? I have seen 120 lb men not get it done. Dano From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 12 16:10:58 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:10:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Microsoft halts Windows Update distribution of security fix after blue-screen reports Message-ID: <6B6530F30D144A13A06D6251846CDD4C@9200c> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5250&tag=nl.e539 -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 16:30:13 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:30:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Windows 7 woes, not so much In-Reply-To: References: <4B723C8A.8090907@argolis.org> <4B724016.4020403@whatever2k.com> <4B72B261.7040403@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:53 PM, David Talkington wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >>>> ?I sent a polite email rant to Realtek, asking for more info on what >>>> ?fixes are in what drivers, especially the latest. >> >> [pause...] >> >> [maniacal laughter] >> >> You're new at this, huh? :) >> >> The only thing that might get their attention is frequent RMAs. ?Don't waste >> your valuable time with broken crap; return it. ?But that's just me. >> > > I just received a polite and helpful response from a Realtek SD Card > Group guy in Taiwan. > He points out that the driver I got from HP as "the latest" was only > meant for Vista, and was guaranteed to cause problems. [I had > specified on the HP site that I had moved to Win 7, but this was > apparently ignored by HP]. > > He confirms that the new driver I got from the Realtek site is the > correct one for Win 7, as my testing has already proved. > > He apologizes for the difficulty in navigating on the Realtek driver > download site and says he will add a FAQ to help people. ?I pointed > out that this broken SD Card reader will affect most HP Pavilions that > are upgraded from Vista to Win 7. > > I'm pleased with the response. > -- More surprising responses: The Realtek guy (in Taiwan) wrote again, to say he will pass the correct driver info to HP. He also sent me the release notes of the latest driver, including all fixes in the last 2 years (more than I needed actually, but a good start). BTW, the new driver supports XP, Vista and Win 7, supplying both 32 and 64 bit versions. Also on the HP driver site I used the 'web feedback' button to inform HP of the obsolete driver for SD card readers, not expecting much. This was yesterday. Today I got the following response: //quote Hello Raymond, Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. Raymond, I am really thankful to you for information provided and I will forward this to concern department so that they can update the drivers. If you need further assistance, please reply to this message and we will be happy to assist you further. For information on keeping your HP and Compaq products up and running, please visit our Web site at: http://www.hp.com/go/totalcare Sincerely, Randy HP Total Care //endquote Unfortunately I don't see a driver update yet. Here's where v6.1 should show up, under "Driver - Storage" devices: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?os=4063&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=3860525 -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From todd.p.byrum at lmco.com Fri Feb 12 16:30:05 2010 From: todd.p.byrum at lmco.com (Byrum, Todd P) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:30:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Monthly Breakfast on February 21st In-Reply-To: References: <171801.791616843-sendEmail@aria> Message-ID: The Mac-Pac will hold its monthly 3rd Sunday breakfast on February 21st, at the Pottstown Family Diner in Pottstown, Pa. Winter hours this month (thru to March 2010). Most folks will gather by 9:00am but feel free to arrive whenever you like BUT: This month you should be prepared to regale us with stories of how you survived Snowmageddon I and S-II and how you rode your R1480GS Adventure 27 miles thru the blizzard just to get to your K1100 engined snow blower with which you cleared your driveway, your deck, your whole backyard and 16km of rail bed that runs near your house while posting snow depth reports to KYW via the blue tooth cell connection in your Arai helmet. Or how you just sat at the kitchen table, drank coffee and watched the two neighbor kids do it for you for 75 cents/hr. Just 5 more weeks of winter, eh, beauty! Remind the waitresses to put your first name on your check so we can keep it all straight. We'll use the atrium room on the east side of the restaurant. We can use the back door but you MUST PAY at the front register before leaving for the day. For directions and other helpful information go to http://www.mac-pac.org and click on "eating". Nice USGS aerial photo/map at http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.249153,-75.659988&spn=0.005289,0.00769 Dark roof, just north east of Rte 100 and W King St Rte 663 (use satellite view). todd byrum gilbertsville, pa From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 12 17:03:50 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:03:50 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002120802k6d915961i6fc32eb1ba43dfbc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B7409A5.70406@argolis.org> <3f2b32881002110712g6ccb9b79y7e1f6c7f2dcc57c3@mail.gmail.com> <3f2b32881002120333t2cafb7fanf8fb01d7a18f4fe@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002120802k6d915961i6fc32eb1ba43dfbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4472.12.181.211.35.1265994230.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Roberts LeBoutillier > wrote: >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mac-pac-l mailing list >>>> Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >>>> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l >>>> >>> Sally Robinson - Mrs. Sally Halterman >>> 2120 H street northwest, Washington DC >>> Born around 1910 >>> Her 100th birthday is around now. >>> >> >>> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGIH_en&q=Sally%20Robinson%20Washington%20Motorcycle&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl >> >> "its a harley, 31-34 VL, those were the only years that had that style >> tool box under the headlight. with the glare on the tank, its hard to >> see the emblem, but it looks like the 30-32 style. Also, the tail >> light was shrouded on 34 & later models. >> so my guess is its a 31 or 32 VL, 74" sidevalve" Snip... >> >> I had a 36 VL with the rare 4 speed in it. Found it in a basement in >> minnesota where it had been since the 60's" > > > Do you really think that an 88 lb person could kick start a 1200 cc > Harley successfully?? > No, but my grandfather used to tell the tale of watching them bounce while trying before offering help. Ride Safe, Joe From ducdude at verizon.net Fri Feb 12 17:22:42 2010 From: ducdude at verizon.net (ducdude at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:22:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! Message-ID: <1391630833.76793.1265995362580.JavaMail.root@vms228.mailsrvcs.net> On 2/12/10, Jim Sterling wrote: > >It's TIME TO RUMBLE! > > > >Mac-Pac vs. All NJ BMW Clubs! > > > >http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg > > > > > >Tom Cutter > > > I would rather just watch these two :-> Ducdude will be checking out the boots. Na I am eye balling the old Honda on the right.. Duc From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 18:48:31 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:48:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lambretta to moto GP Message-ID: <4a4431121002121048j3f9a93c5pa7be36e577665a10@mail.gmail.com> Lambretta motor scooters is going to contest 125cc moto GP this year!! http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Lambretta+returns+to+the+World+Championship Hey Brian, where's VESPA?? ECO Dano Greensboro NC From t42 at pobox.com Fri Feb 12 18:55:39 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:55:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Microsoft halts Windows Update distribution of security fix after blue-screen reports In-Reply-To: <6B6530F30D144A13A06D6251846CDD4C@9200c> References: <6B6530F30D144A13A06D6251846CDD4C@9200c> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Makohin wrote: > http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5250&tag=nl.e539 I usually stay away from Windows discussions (except to toss a Linux grenade here and there), but this jumped out at me today: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/12/1455203/Rootkit-May-Be-Behind-Windows-Blue-Screen?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 Unfortunately, the server hosting the article to which this post refers has been "slashdotted". - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLdaQrAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2clUH/2ufmAaJALEi3bYYStHpjQTB E2Rb9fbaA4okAkP7fS+uXUGg2J7Xpxp+AtBvVGF9LaEZWm6RH+cQYek6ZIZN1znS OMIreLVXwHUsFGdZrqLD5sLP14IpzpdgiwK1wmP4gjpgeK7Uym9pvEAJEVvpvDTc YCd2Zl/MPvTSNPf3a1DcAzbKVKFflcc66YyK06RRtrF0T8I/I+y1965OmVQnwv9W S4WVtAw8VlhL4ap5fd+oYhX6uzMu4tBZFCf3GUmbH0JA7Rsxg7XU+t7GQf9nfFYU LHHcDGNYssU/wKGQe11d/aws5IekH9oWaQOLGtVm1bxG+eYlbM1Pe1nRFCFFjtQ= =r53p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rogers.george at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 19:29:29 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:29:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] two unrelated messages: reminder about tomorrow's breakfast and New CPR Procedure Message-ID: <1f13c3621002121129k49c8249k25cdf24044a479a8@mail.gmail.com> Breakfast at the 896 diner right off I-95 in Newark, 9AM, earlier if you like. Got the CPR link from my brother. Short, clear video. Watch it. Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://mushroomstomotorcycles.com http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com http://serenitytravelnewark.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George, Robert Of course this comes from MINNESOTA! ?I wonder if you can do it on yourself? ?That would be handy! Subject: Mayo Clinic - New CPR Procedure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5huVSebZpM ? MUST SEE, NEW CPR METHOD, NO MOUTH TO MOUTH AND WORKS BETTER. ANYONE CAN DO AFTER SEEING THIS ONCE! From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 12 19:30:41 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:30:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Microsoft halts Windows Update distribution of security fix after blue-screen reports References: <6B6530F30D144A13A06D6251846CDD4C@9200c> Message-ID: Hello Dave, From: "David Talkington" > Steve Makohin wrote: > >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5250&tag=nl.e539 > > I usually stay away from Windows discussions (except to toss a Linux > grenade here and there), but this jumped out at me today: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/12/1455203/Rootkit-May-Be-Behind-Windows-Blue-Screen?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 > > Unfortunately, the server hosting the article to which this post refers > has been "slashdotted". Thanks for posting the link, Dave. For laymen... (from Wikipedia) The Slashdot effect, also known as slashdotting, occurs when a popular website links to a smaller site, causing a massive increase in traffic. This overloads the smaller site, causing it to slow down or even temporarily close. (Summary of Dave's link) What appeared to be a Microsoft screw-up in releasing a "bad patch" that causes PCs to crash, ended up being a crash that was only *triggered* by the new patch. The link asserts that affected PCs were already infected by specific malware. In other words, specific malware + MS Patch = Crash at startup. PCs that didn't have that malware are not affected. FWIW, I always do a complete disc scan on the weekend, PC housecleaning, then a backup. Lastly, I apply the latest updates. This process would have (presumably) detected and removed the malware, and not had the crash problems. -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 20:47:01 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:47:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Microsoft halts Windows Update distribution of security fix after blue-screen reports In-Reply-To: References: <6B6530F30D144A13A06D6251846CDD4C@9200c> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello Dave, > > From: "David Talkington" > >> Steve Makohin wrote: >> >>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5250&tag=nl.e539 >> >> I usually stay away from Windows discussions (except to toss a Linux >> grenade here and there), but this jumped out at me today: >> >> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/12/1455203/Rootkit-May-Be-Behind-Windows-Blue-Screen?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 >> >> Unfortunately, the server hosting the article to which this post refers >> has been "slashdotted". > > Thanks for posting the link, Dave. > > For laymen... > > (from Wikipedia) The Slashdot effect, also known as slashdotting, occurs > when a popular website links to a smaller site, causing a massive increase > in traffic. This overloads the smaller site, causing it to slow down or even > temporarily close. > > (Summary of Dave's link) What appeared to be a Microsoft screw-up in > releasing a "bad patch" that causes PCs to crash, ended up being a crash > that was only *triggered* by the new patch. The link asserts that affected > PCs were already infected by specific malware. In other words, specific > malware + MS Patch = Crash at startup. PCs that didn't have that malware are > not affected. > > FWIW, I always do a complete disc scan on the weekend, PC housecleaning, > then a backup. Lastly, I apply the latest updates. This process would have > (presumably) detected and removed the malware, and not had the crash > problems. > So if I understand this correctly, the PCs affected by this problem are: -running Win XP (one unsubstantiated, unconvincing report of Win 7, and note that MS says this is only a problem of the 32-bit core, whereas most Win 7, like mine, is 64-bit) -already infected by the TDSS rootkit, meaning that they were already "Bots" -underwent Tuesday's Windows Update patch with KB977165, and became unbootable The major effect of this infection seems to be a corrupted Windows file: C:\windows\system32\drivers\atapi.sys Furthermore, it sounds like the easiest fix, if you can find a way to do it, is to replace the above file by copying it in from a known good source (CD or PC with exact same OS and SP). However, this may not be a simple copy-in since Windows normally has an automatic backup of crucial files and prevents overwriting them. I think more info on the copy-in will be available. To do the copy-in at all you have to either boot from a good drive (like internal or external CD), or put your bad HD into another PC as the secondary HD. And of course you would have to follow-up by ridding your PC of the TDSS infection. As of last year this rootkit was blocking the installation or running of some AV programs that could detect it. I hope I haven't oversimplified. This is gleaned from several sites, and I don't think MicroSoft has stated it clearly yet. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From 440props at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 20:58:56 2010 From: 440props at gmail.com (Robert Atkinson) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:58:56 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Need motor for K75-RT windshield Message-ID: <4defb5d16220640b54541fc4d476a105@gmail.com> A Milwaukee friend needs a motor for a K75RT windshield. (May be the same as a K1100 windshield motor.) He has checked with Beemer Bone yard. Looking for the best deal. Contact me off list. -- Best, Robert Atkinson - 1988 K75S -1993 K75RT - ASTRAL BLUE Beemer Hill Riders - BOOF # 161 - MOA # 89159 - www.racine.org "Every town has a few bad drivers, eventually they all move to Racine, Wisconsin" From jasiii at earthlink.net Fri Feb 12 21:19:14 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (James A. Sterling) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:19:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] RA Rally Message-ID: The "other" BMW group aka the RA or On The Level folks have finally posted their rally The BMW RA 2010 International Rally July 29 ~ August 1, 2010 Green Mountain Energy Park Pownal, VT This one I will be "allowed" to ride to (grin) Jim -- Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 21:43:14 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:43:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Microsoft halts Windows Update distribution of security fix after blue-screen reports In-Reply-To: References: <6B6530F30D144A13A06D6251846CDD4C@9200c> Message-ID: On 2/12/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Steve Makohin wrote: > > Hello Dave, > Furthermore, it sounds like the easiest fix, if you can find a way to > do it, is to replace the above file by copying it in from a known good > source (CD or PC with exact same OS and SP). However, this may not be > a simple copy-in since Windows normally has an automatic backup of > crucial files and prevents overwriting them. I think more info on the > copy-in will be available. > > To do the copy-in at all you have to either boot from a good drive > (like internal or external CD), or put your bad HD into another PC as > the secondary HD. No. Read here: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistawu/thread/73cea559-ebbd-4274-96bc-e292b69f2fd1 (WS) It was on the FIRST post. You might be able to fix it by putting your HD into another machine but I am not sure I would since if it is a rootkit issue. > And of course you would have to follow-up by ridding your PC of the > TDSS infection. As of last year this rootkit was blocking the > installation or running of some AV programs that could detect it. > > I hope I haven't oversimplified. This is gleaned from several sites, > and I don't think MicroSoft has stated it clearly yet. See above. Note the domain name. The above will REMOVE the patch. Then do the "rootkit removal thing". Then one might be able install the patch if the rootkit is the issue. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 18:33:59 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:33:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: References: <7B6261259051431392C722C7338DE95E@Tekki> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Eric Ducdude wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Sorensen" > (SNIP) > > Photo here: > > http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/23379a.jpg > > > > > > Text below is from: > > http://www.shorpy.com/node/6128 > > > > Man DIG those boots! > > Duc > > I was thinking the same thing. There's no way I'd be lacing those babies up. That's why God invented Velcro. -- BMW-Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You mixed this up with the story I told him about the waitress with the star tattoos below her bikini line. -- BMW-Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100210/16104d10/attachment.html From bmwdick at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:11:00 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:11:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Drag calculator In-Reply-To: <4B74119D.2050908@argolis.org> References: <4a4431121002091052i4a5774c5k250a2fb03d29c9b3@mail.gmail.com> <8296f6de1002091107j7fca4dc8hc9fee86becd38f23@mail.gmail.com> <4a4431121002100750x6ab393fcn3c57182ecd117475@mail.gmail.com> <4B74119D.2050908@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Jack Riepe wrote: > >> Dear Dan: >> >> You mean the 1840's and 1850's. And Bregstein used an astrolabe, not a >> sextant. >> >> > The sextant was well developed by the mid-1800s, I wouldn't have pegged > Dick as a technology curmudgeon. > -- BMW-Dick You ought to see me with a screwdriver ...or a bloody mary. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100211/d57684f7/attachment.html From bmwdick at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 16:36:51 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:36:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power In-Reply-To: <8CC78E08B2B1143-4650-7FE0@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> References: <6042515475619259605@unknownmsgid> <8CC78E08B2B1143-4650-7FE0@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > (SNIP) > > Check on your neighbors, make sure nobody is in trouble, especially the > elderly. > > Dick? > > > Tom Cutter > Yardley, PA > http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > Thank you for thinking of me, Tom, and in the words of my sometimes riding buddy, Jack Riepe, "Fuck You." Jane got her car stuck in the driveway at 11PM two days ago after spending two hours on a 40-minute commute from work. The snow was knee deep in my driveway this morning when my "guy with the plow" showed up. He had plowed the bottom of the driveway at 4am, so all I had to do was brush two feet of snow off of Jane's car, start it, back it into the street and scrap the windshield while he plowed out my driveway. When I was a whippersnapper like Doug Raymond, I would have shoveled it my self. Then I dug out my car at the top of the drive, started it and scraped the windshield, cleaned up the driveway, tossed a little ice melt, and headed for the showers. I hear more snow is headed our way next week. At this rate I'm planning on riding my motorcycle again ....in JUNE! -- BMW-Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8CC79F724A18A05-BF4-661A@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC79F724A18A05-BF4-661A@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > Enough drivel about two-stroke snowblowers and Harley VL's, I say! > > It's TIME TO RUMBLE! > > Mac-Pac vs. All NJ BMW Clubs! > > http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg > > (SNIP) This photo is more realistic - http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1451202560/tt0107050 BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 14:13:26 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:13:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Hermy's Open House In-Reply-To: <0424E178746C492C9AA786999CA62387@Tekki> References: <0424E178746C492C9AA786999CA62387@Tekki> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Rick Sorensen wrote: > Is it confirmed that Hermy's is on this Saturday? Or did I misunderstand > something? > > > Rick Sorensen > Rick: This banner is still scrolling across the home page: Welcome!!..... to BMW Planet Power! Join Us Saturday February 13th 9 to 2 ...Open House...Door Prizes...Food at 10... -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 20:02:44 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:02:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fwd:MUST SEE ....... mikrokopter very cool .... especially for the snow bound Message-ID: >> http://mikrokopter.de/ucwiki/VideoAbspielen?id=188 -- BMW-Dick From royer.scott at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 14:04:13 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:04:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Snow Blower Purchase Recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10b68dab1002120604n72e82a42pcce53d58d3174b6a@mail.gmail.com> Edde, I have over 100 feet of two lane driveway with a small parking lot at the end (4 cars). I have a Snapper 2 stage blower that I bought 20 years ago and it still runs great. The only repair it has ever needed was to replace a leaky head gasket last year. I changed the spark plug 4 years ago, and I usually chanbge the oil before every season, but I forgot this year. It doesn't use a drop of oil between changes. My blower is on the small end of the new stuff. It is only 5hp and 24". But the big plus it that it has electric start w/o a battery. The cord plugs into a wall outlett to start it and then unplugs. Or you can pull start it. Plus, Snappers are American made. Scott On 2/11/10, edde m wrote: > > Any suggestions on whether a snowblower makes sense? > Any suggestions on models? > > Keep in mind I want one that is low maintenance...durable as heck, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Beautiful sunshine, about 34F but I didn't need a jacket. Second time this week, third time this year. I do understand that snowblowers make more sense, but I hate the noise and I don't want yet another machine to maintain. Thankfully, we never lost power here. - -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From Doug at pencader.com Fri Feb 12 22:34:04 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:34:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009601caac33$7dd39bd0$797ad370$@com> Ditch Digger Doug wrote; >>> shovelin' snips > I do understand that snowblowers make more sense, but I hate the noise > and I don't want yet another machine to maintain. > Thankfully, we never lost power here. >>> end of the driveway . . . and even more thankfully, neither did YOU!! You da' man, The Other Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 22:40:44 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:40:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002120802k6d915961i6fc32eb1ba43dfbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <88E6BC51FAD447F0A12793923920F3FE@Tekki> >Do you really think that an 88 lb person could kick start a 1200 cc Harley successfully?? > >I have seen 120 lb men not get it done. I thought we 'decided' her bike was a 45ci....that'd make it about a 750cc, wouldn't it?.....YUP, more precisely 737.4179 (courtesy of convert.exe) Rick From rtill6 at aol.com Fri Feb 12 22:45:26 2010 From: rtill6 at aol.com (rtill6 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:45:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! In-Reply-To: <8CC79F724A18A05-BF4-661A@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC79F724A18A05-BF4-661A@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7A4C33DE42DF-F2C-1877@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com> Hey Tom which one are you? Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Tom Cutter To: mac-pac-l at jtan.com Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:36 am Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! Enough drivel about two-stroke snowblowers and Harley VL's, I say! It's TIME TO RUMBLE! Mac-Pac vs. All NJ BMW Clubs! http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 23:07:22 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:07:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I do hope that Greg Roberts appreciates us "sharing" our boundy with him Message-ID: >From reports it seems that the Southland is also "turning white" but not as white as us. See, even damn Yankee's can be hospitable and share. ;);) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 12 23:15:29 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:15:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> Mac-Pac vs. All NJ BMW Clubs! >> >> http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg >> >> (SNIP) > >This photo is more realistic - http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1451202560/tt0107050 Could be, but this grumpy old man got Ann Margret! Rick From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 12 23:36:53 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:36:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Time to Rumble! In-Reply-To: <8CC7A4C33DE42DF-F2C-1877@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC79F724A18A05-BF4-661A@webmail-d061.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7A4C33DE42DF-F2C-1877@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7A5363F0A237-1C74-5D14@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> <> http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/lookn4bikes/ModvsRockers.jpg I'm the one standing beside the photographer yelling "Rip her top off!" Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From Ducdude at verizon.net Sat Feb 13 00:16:15 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:16:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] RA Rally References: Message-ID: <366DCEF8FB554645BDDD12B51801BCEA@heilveil5e3fdd> Oooooo that could be a very nice rally.... I will have to bail on the MOA Nat this year but this one I could go to... Duc ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A. Sterling" To: "mac-Pac" Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: [MAC-PAC] RA Rally > The "other" BMW group aka the RA or On The Level folks have finally posted > their rally > > The BMW RA 2010 International Rally > > July 29 ~ August 1, 2010 > Green Mountain Energy Park > Pownal, VT > > This one I will be "allowed" to ride to (grin) > > Jim > -- > Ride Safe > > '96 R1100RS Red of course > MOA 124289 > RA 31244 > AMA 808881 > > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 00:39:14 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:39:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <88E6BC51FAD447F0A12793923920F3FE@Tekki> References: <4a4431121002120802k6d915961i6fc32eb1ba43dfbc@mail.gmail.com> <88E6BC51FAD447F0A12793923920F3FE@Tekki> Message-ID: On 2/12/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: > >Do you really think that an 88 lb person could kick start a 1200 cc Harley > successfully?? > > > >I have seen 120 lb men not get it done. > > > I thought we 'decided' her bike was a 45ci....that'd make it about a 750cc, > wouldn't it?.....YUP, more precisely 737.4179 (courtesy of convert.exe) And with gas of the time, not real high compression, and manual spark advance, that can save a LOT of aggravation as long as you remember to operate it. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 13 02:43:07 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:43:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> Doug Raymond wrote: > It was pleasant work in peace and quiet, listening to NPR . Beautiful > sunshine, about 34F but I didn't need a jacket. Second time this > week, third time this year. > > I do understand that snowblowers make more sense, but I hate the noise > and I don't want yet another machine to maintain. I'm with you Doug. For the once per year average that we really have to dig out, it's not worth having another noisy, polluting, and expensive device to store. Plus, you can chat with your neighbors (at least I can) while you shovel. From wayne at 2zars.com Sat Feb 13 03:04:12 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:04:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> References: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> Message-ID: >> I do understand that snowblowers make more sense, but I hate the noise >> and I don't want yet another machine to maintain. > >I'm with you Doug. For the once per year average that we really have to >dig out, it's not worth having another noisy, polluting, and expensive >device to store. Seriously? Hmmmm. Noisy, polluting, and expensive. Sounds like you are describing a motorcycle. My snowblower make more noise than my bike, but it only runs when there's snow around and snow absorbs a lot of sound. I'm sure it generates more pollution than my bike when it's running, but considering it's not running 99.9% of the year, I'd speculate that my bike generates more pollution in a year. Maintenance? Change the oil once a year, if you use it that year. A new spark plug if you want to splurge. Maybe new belts every 8-10 years. And let us not forget Dr. Pete's advice. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 03:59:12 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:59:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I do hope that Greg Roberts appreciates us "sharing" our boundy with him In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4431121002121959t4712e255s6d3c5c7ac4f5667@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > >From reports it seems that the Southland is also "turning white" but > not as white as us. > > See, even damn Yankee's can be hospitable and share. ;);) We are getting it here in Greensboro NC also. Thanks guys. Sure is beautiful. So temporary. Dano From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 04:03:16 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:03:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FW: [LDRider] For the Female Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002120802k6d915961i6fc32eb1ba43dfbc@mail.gmail.com> <88E6BC51FAD447F0A12793923920F3FE@Tekki> Message-ID: <4a4431121002122003o90f29d1pccdb78c7e05d647@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/12/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: >> >Do you really think that an 88 lb person could kick start a 1200 cc Harley >> ?successfully?? >> ?> >> ?>I have seen 120 lb men not get it done. >> >> >> I thought we 'decided' her bike was a 45ci....that'd make it about a 750cc, >> ?wouldn't it?.....YUP, more precisely 737.4179 (courtesy of convert.exe) > > And with gas of the time, not real high compression, and manual spark > advance, that can save a LOT of aggravation as long as you remember to > operate it. No way that's a 74 inch motor. Her jugs are too small. Dano From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 13 05:41:25 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:41:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> References: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> Message-ID: <8CC7A865111A512-4294-5AA6@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> <> Not here. They all have huge two-stage monstrosities that could eat school bus. I'm glad I didn't shovel.My doctor called today to give me the results of a blood test from last week. Cholesterol, Triglycerides and LDL levels off the chart, like two tot hree times a healthy level. They want to put me on some ridiculously-expensive anti-choilosterol medication. No thanks, I told them. I officially quit working for the pharmaceutical companies. My monthly medication bill is more than the mortgage on my first home, and is moe than I pay for a luxury Acura every month. That is just wrong. It;s time to take a hard look at some naturopathic options. Right after I have my every-other-day breakfastof three meggs, three strips of bacon, an english muffin dripping with butter and coffee with cream. Yum. Gotta take some steps to stay off Peter Frechie's table. After breakfast. _______________________________________________ Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sat Feb 13 12:40:25 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:40:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE] In-Reply-To: <4B757738.2020904@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> > Interesting. Vairable compression, exhaust timing, etc. Used to > optimize for gasoline vs. alcohol. > Compress... > > http://www.grouplotus.com/manageshowcase/uploadpassthru/8628.swf > That is cool. Variable compression, adjustable port timing and direct injection solve lots of problems. Throughout history people have experimented with variable compression. It works great on paper. The only variable compression engine that I know about that was offered commercially is the Consolidated Fuel Research engine that is used to determining fuel octane from the early 1930s. http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landmarks/5519.pdf I believe this engine is still in production. I know SAAB played around with variable compression. The US patent office is littered with variable compression designs. The adjustable port timing gets around one of the issues with 2- strokes. This has been used commercially, but I don't think the power valve has been put so close to the cylinder. This serves to optimise the power production. While all of this mechanical adjustment allows for better performance, I wonder how reliable it will be in long term use. Both mechanisms are fairly complicated and look prone to getting contaminated and gummed up. We will see. Very cool animation in any case. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 13 14:19:07 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:19:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: References: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B76B4DB.3060005@argolis.org> Wayne Woodruff wrote: >>> I do understand that snowblowers make more sense, but I hate the noise >>> and I don't want yet another machine to maintain. >> I'm with you Doug. For the once per year average that we really have to >> dig out, it's not worth having another noisy, polluting, and expensive >> device to store. > > Seriously? Yes, although expensive and once per year are the main factors there. The pollution and noise are just a bonus. I do own a gas lawn mower, because I use that enough to make it worthwhile. > Hmmmm. Noisy, polluting, and expensive. Sounds like you are > describing a motorcycle. Well, anything other than an industrial sewing machine, cat-equipped BMW, that is. :) As for expensive, that's another story. > My snowblower make more noise than my bike, but it only runs when > there's snow around and snow absorbs a lot of sound. I'm sure it > generates more pollution than my bike when it's running, but > considering it's not running 99.9% of the year, I'd speculate that my > bike generates more pollution in a year. Granted. I'd say every bit helps, but we really are talking about an small amount of pollution in the grand scheme of things per person. > Maintenance? Change the oil once a year, if you use it that year. A > new spark plug if you want to splurge. Maybe new belts every 8-10 > years. Granted there too. Space is an issue for me though. I have a one-car garage, and as it is if I want to work on a car, I have to remove just about everything from the garage for it to fit. From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 13 14:25:18 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:25:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE] In-Reply-To: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> References: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> Message-ID: <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> Joe Dille wrote: > While all of this mechanical adjustment allows for better > performance, I wonder how reliable it will be in long term use. Both > mechanisms are fairly complicated and look prone to getting > contaminated and gummed up. Me too. Although if you look at a modern VTEC (or the various other manufacturer's names for it), there's a lot going on there too with multiple cam lobes and lifters per valve. Not in the same league, but if the new design is good enough, someone will figure out a way to make it work. From wayne at 2zars.com Sat Feb 13 16:31:49 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:31:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: <4B76B4DB.3060005@argolis.org> References: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> <4B76B4DB.3060005@argolis.org> Message-ID: >Wayne Woodruff wrote: >>>> I do understand that snowblowers make more sense, but I hate the noise >>>> and I don't want yet another machine to maintain. >>> I'm with you Doug. For the once per year average that we really have to >>> dig out, it's not worth having another noisy, polluting, and expensive >>> device to store. >> >> Seriously? > >Yes, although expensive and once per year are the main factors there. >The pollution and noise are just a bonus. I do own a gas lawn mower, >because I use that enough to make it worthwhile. > >> Hmmmm. Noisy, polluting, and expensive. Sounds like you are >> describing a motorcycle. > >Well, anything other than an industrial sewing machine, cat-equipped >BMW, that is. :) As for expensive, that's another story. > >> My snowblower make more noise than my bike, but it only runs when >> there's snow around and snow absorbs a lot of sound. I'm sure it >> generates more pollution than my bike when it's running, but >> considering it's not running 99.9% of the year, I'd speculate that my >> bike generates more pollution in a year. > >Granted. I'd say every bit helps, but we really are talking about an >small amount of pollution in the grand scheme of things per person. > >> Maintenance? Change the oil once a year, if you use it that year. A >> new spark plug if you want to splurge. Maybe new belts every 8-10 >> years. > >Granted there too. Space is an issue for me though. I have a one-car >garage, and as it is if I want to work on a car, I have to remove just >about everything from the garage for it to fit. At the risk of having my pp wacked by the LN, I'll include both sides. All good points. I guess I'm fortunate enough to have room, although the shed is a bit cramped. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 16:38:18 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:38:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE] In-Reply-To: <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> References: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4a4431121002130838o28350576u6be65fb2af823dac@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Joe Dille wrote: > >> While all of this mechanical adjustment allows for better >> performance, I wonder how reliable it will be in long term use. ?Both >> mechanisms are fairly complicated and look prone to getting >> contaminated and gummed up. > > Me too. ?Although if you look at a modern VTEC (or the various other > manufacturer's names for it), there's a lot going on there too with > multiple cam lobes and lifters per valve. ?Not in the same league, but > if the new design is good enough, someone will figure out a way to make > it work. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > This is not the first engine with a movable piston for a cylinder head. This guy turned his Ducati Desmo into a 2 stroke. http://www.duccutters.com/BeareTechnology-6Stroke.tpl Dano From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 13 16:40:38 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:40:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE In-Reply-To: <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> References: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> Message-ID: <8CC7AE2682C03F0-32B0-155DB@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> (in Fractured French today to honor the opening of the Winter Olympic Games, in a country where even the governor-general struggles with bi-lingualism...) Joe a ecrit: << While all of this mechanical adjustment allows for better > performance, I wonder how reliable it will be in long term use. Both > mechanisms are fairly complicated and look prone to getting > contaminated and gummed up. >> M. Piechota a reponde; <> C'nest pas le meme chose, mon ami. (It's not the same thing, my friend.) La machine dans le premier example est dans l'essence. (The machinery in the first example is in the gasoline.) Des choses a l'example deuxieme sont en huile. (The things in the second example are in the oil.) OK, enough with the froggy-talk: The variable port timing is achieved with sliding sleeves that are exposed to gasoline and the byproducts of combustion. In short, stuff that is dirty. That's the rub, so to speak. Gasoline isn't even gasoline any more. It's gubbmint-mandated swill made from pig droppings and corn leaves. The cams, valves and lifters are in clear, filtered oil. Good, healthy dead dinosaurs and stuff. Component wear would always be the issue with the "exposed to combustion" designs. Ceramics are promising for these applications. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 17:06:58 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:06:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: References: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> <4B76B4DB.3060005@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: (snipping all good points....) > > All good points. > > I guess I'm fortunate enough to have room, although the shed is a bit > cramped. > A few more reasons for my personal preference to work by hand: -Though I have a spacious barn, it is full of machinery and most of them already need attention. And I have to move two pieces to get out the one I need- I'm sure everyone knows that feeling. -Unless you're DucDude and keep all machines in top shape, you know that horrible feeling ot getting out the machine to do the job an hour before sundown, and it won't start. The stress takes days off your life. -I enjoy NPR (FM radio) interviews so much, I actually look for dumb manual jobs around the property so I can listen for a few hours. The dumber the better (ditchdigging is good) so you can pay attention to what is being said. If you like my snow-shovelling, you should see my ditchdigging. Friends called one of my projects the Panama Canal. -I love peace and quiet. I actually have a 12-hp Lil Wonder leaf blower that runs great when I need it. But half the time I rake by hand (1 acre, 30 trees), for the quiet and the radio. -I like exercise, good hard work for a few hours at a time. Seems so much more natural than getting on a treadmill, etc. I have to admit I have the rare luxuries that make time-consuming hand labor possible: no kids or grandkids, and being temporarily retired. IOW, if I had a life I would have to get more machines and depend on them to get jobs done quickly. It goes without saying (well I said it already) that I respect people who efficiently use the right machine for the right job. I'm not efficient. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 17:16:08 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:16:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE In-Reply-To: <8CC7AE2682C03F0-32B0-155DB@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> <8CC7AE2682C03F0-32B0-155DB@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > (in Fractured French today to honor the opening of the Winter Olympic > Games, in a country where even the governor-general struggles with > bi-lingualism...) ..... > C'nest pas le meme chose, mon ami. (It's not the same thing, my friend.) > > La machine dans le premier example est dans l'essence. (The machinery > in the first example is in the gasoline.) > > Des choses a l'example deuxieme sont en huile. (The things in the > second example are in the oil.) > > OK, enough with the froggy-talk:.. Tres impressionant, Monsieur Tom, tu peux ecrire aussi bien qu'un vrai grenouille. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 13 17:29:33 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:29:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE In-Reply-To: References: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> <8CC7AE2682C03F0-32B0-155DB@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7AE93DFD0569-32B0-15E91@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <> Merci, mon petit gopher du neige. Mon enseignant fran?ais, Madame Churchill, aurait ?t? heureuse pour lire ce que j'avais appris quelque chose. Peut-?tre pourrait-elle avoir oubli? mon comportement stupide! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 17:45:32 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:45:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE In-Reply-To: <8CC7AE93DFD0569-32B0-15E91@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org> <8CC7AE2682C03F0-32B0-155DB@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7AE93DFD0569-32B0-15E91@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: 2010/2/13 Tom Cutter : > < grenouille.>> > > Merci, mon petit gopher du neige. > > Mon enseignant fran?ais, ?Madame Churchill, aurait ?t? heureuse pour lire ce > que j'avais appris quelque chose. Peut-?tre pourrait-elle avoir oubli? mon > comportement stupide! > > Malhereusement, personne n'oublie ton comportement m?chant, mais elle doit ?tre fi?re de toi quandm?me. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 13 17:49:58 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:49:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE In-Reply-To: References: <4B765769.30086.EF02266@localhost> <4B76B64E.2020105@argolis.org><8CC7AE2682C03F0-32B0-155DB@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com><8CC7AE93DFD0569-32B0-15E91@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7AEC180C42C5-4A3C-9B2D@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> <> Trop vraie, eh? << mais elle doit ?tre fi?re de toi quandm?me.>> C'est possible. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Raymond To: Tom Cutter Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE 2010/2/13 Tom Cutter : > < grenouille.>> > > Merci, mon petit gopher du neige. > > Mon enseignant fran?ais, ?Madame Churchill, aurait ?t? heureuse pour lire ce > que j'avais appris quelque chose. Peut-?tre pourrait-elle avoir oubli? mon > comportement stupide! > > Malhereusement, personne n'oublie ton comportement m?chant, mais elle doit ?tre fi?re de toi quandm?me. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From ironbt01 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 18:02:30 2010 From: ironbt01 at gmail.com (Greg Roberts) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:02:30 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I do hope that Greg Roberts appreciates us "sharing" our boundy with him In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a937ecc1002131002i496e1c9qe604350dc6255bda@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > >From reports it seems that the Southland is also "turning white" but > not as white as us. > > See, even damn Yankee's can be hospitable and share. ;);) On that note, it snowed here ALL DAY yesterday. Hard! The trees were beautiful (since we don't see them that way often) as the wet heavy snow fell during a period of almost zero breeze so it piled up on top of the tree limbs and power lines. Brought down my trusty G5RV antenna (which was held up by some 6-month old 500 lb test line), but otherwise no damage locally. Most of the snow fell while the temps were above freezing, so the roads just got wet, not frozen, until well after dark. Low last night was 25F, but it was very nice this morning with bright sunshine, no clouds and temps up to 40 degrees here at noon. Between the sunshine, temps and a slight breeze, all of the snow is out of the trees and the only snow left in the yard is what's sheltered by shade. Perfect snowstorm for the south.... in here quick, pretty, and gone! As for "sharing".... I'm glad you shut the door so quick! I've been showing my wife some of the pictures you folks have been posting (and thanks for doing so). There are reasons we live in the South.... lack of feet of snow is one of them! 8+} Greg Roberts Wadley, AL From chrisjac at ptd.net Sat Feb 13 19:43:11 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:43:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: <8CC7A865111A512-4294-5AA6@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> <8CC7A865111A512-4294-5AA6@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B7700CF.7070803@ptd.net> Tom Cutter wrote: > < shovel.>> > > Not here. They all have huge two-stage monstrosities that could eat > school bus. > > I'm glad I didn't shovel.My doctor called today to give me the results > of a blood test from last week. Cholesterol, Triglycerides and LDL > levels off the chart, like two tot hree times a healthy level. They > want to put me on some ridiculously-expensive anti-choilosterol > medication. No thanks, I told them. I officially quit working for the > pharmaceutical companies. My monthly medication bill is more than the > mortgage on my first home, and is moe than I pay for a luxury Acura > every month. That is just wrong. It;s time to take a hard look at some > naturopathic options. Right after I have my every-other-day breakfastof > three meggs, three strips of bacon, an english muffin dripping with > butter and coffee with cream. Yum. > > Gotta take some steps to stay off Peter Frechie's table. > > After breakfast.. The problem is you eat a the Brass Ring, you need to attend the PFD and you simply wont eat their crap. Chris Jaccarino From rsorens at comcast.net Sat Feb 13 19:51:48 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:51:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE In-Reply-To: <8CC7AE93DFD0569-32B0-15E91@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7F2E6E67F92D42659CF6C6CABEBD7D16@Tekki> >>>> <> Merci, mon petit gopher du neige. Mon enseignant fran?ais, Madame Churchill, aurait ?t? heureuse pour lire ce que j'avais appris quelque chose. Peut-?tre pourrait-elle avoir oubli? mon comportement stupide! >>>>> CRRRRRIPES! Not only are we off-topic, we're off topic in FRIGGIN'FRAHNCH!! As an important philosopher once said, "You guys could complicate oatmeal!"* Rick * one Tomas Cuttier, I believe From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 20:35:22 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:35:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] RA Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This rally is within my three-day range. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 13 21:01:10 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:01:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [Fwd: Blah blah blah LOOK AT THIS ENGINE In-Reply-To: <7F2E6E67F92D42659CF6C6CABEBD7D16@Tekki> Message-ID: <8CC7B06CDD6A01B-20F4-1C01F@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com> <> Or "You guys coyuld f**k up a wet dream..." Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From gary5410 at aol.com Sat Feb 13 21:09:23 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:09:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! Message-ID: <8CC7B07F355E0E0-4938-C993@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Here's a link to my New Orleans trip......some moto content! http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Travel/New-Orleans-10/11184554_Ydgnh#784141593_eWmrt Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 21:23:37 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:23:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! In-Reply-To: <8CC7B07F355E0E0-4938-C993@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7B07F355E0E0-4938-C993@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Gary Christman wrote: > Here's a link to my New Orleans trip......some moto content! > > > http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Travel/New-Orleans-10/11184554_Ydgnh#784141593_eWmrt > Gary, there are many great pics in there. Thanks! -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From rogers.george at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 23:17:04 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:17:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT--mentions beer and goats, does not mention MC Message-ID: <1f13c3621002131517r4996d6ecuef8067a0e86bf80f@mail.gmail.com> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/beer Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://mushroomstomotorcycles.com http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com http://serenitytravelnewark.com From piechota at argolis.org Sat Feb 13 23:38:20 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:38:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I do hope that Greg Roberts appreciates us "sharing" our boundy with him In-Reply-To: <2a937ecc1002131002i496e1c9qe604350dc6255bda@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a937ecc1002131002i496e1c9qe604350dc6255bda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7737EC.3020201@argolis.org> Greg Roberts wrote: > I've been showing my wife some of the pictures you folks have been > posting (and thanks for doing so). There are reasons we live in the > South.... lack of feet of snow is one of them! 8+} We expect pictures in return of Alabama summer when everyone is inside since it's 100 degrees and 100% humidity. :) From jaburke4 at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 00:07:48 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:07:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling In-Reply-To: <8CC7A865111A512-4294-5AA6@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B7611BB.5080005@argolis.org> <8CC7A865111A512-4294-5AA6@webmail-d067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <07A9FAD4-7648-48CC-8552-83248F3BA4A8@verizon.net> Jeez Tom!!!! Finish my engine an trans before you croak!!!! Holy Moly. There is some better living though chemicals!!! Just chose wisely! John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From jaburke4 at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 00:13:37 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:13:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Names and dates have been changed to protect the innocent (NSFW Language) Message-ID: <2FB14C97-7F96-40F9-B69D-D98E1F4F6243@verizon.net> > Diary of a snow shoveler, probable location - North East > > December 8 - 6:00 PM > It started to snow. > The first snow of the season and the wife and I took our cocktails > and sat for hours by the window watching the huge soft flakes drift > down from heaven. > It looked like a Grandma Moses Print. > So romantic we felt like newlyweds again. > I love snow! > > December 9 > We woke to a beautiful blanket of crystal white snow covering every > inch of the landscape. > What a fantastic sight! > Can there be a lovelier place in the whole world? > Moving here was the best idea I've ever had! > Shoveled for the first time in years and felt like a boy again. > I did both our driveway and the sidewalks. > This afternoon the snowplow came along and covered up the sidewalks > and closed in the driveway, so I got to shovel again. > What a perfect life! > > December 12 > The sun has melted all our lovely snow. > Such a disappointment! > My neighbor tells me not to worry- we'll definitely have a white > Christmas. > No snow on Christmas would be awful! > Bob says we'll have so much snow by the end of winter, that I'll > never want to see snow again > I don't think that's possible. > Bob is such a nice man, I'm glad he's our neighbor. > > December 14 > Snow, lovely snow! 8 inches last night. > The temperature dropped to -20. > The cold makes everything sparkle so. > The wind took my breath away, but I warmed up by shoveling the > driveway and sidewalks. > This is the life! > The snowplow came back this afternoon and buried everything again. > I didn't realize I would have to do quite this much shoveling, but > I'll certainly get back in shape this way. > I wish l wouldn't huff and puff so. > > December 15 > 20 inches forecast. > Sold my van and bought a 4x4 Blazer. > Bought snow tires for the wife's car and 2 extra shovels. > Stocked the freezer. > The wife wants a wood stove in case the electricity goes out. > I think that's silly. > We aren't in Alaska, after all. > > December 16 > Ice storm this morning. > Fell on my ass on the ice in the driveway putting down salt. > Hurt like hell. > The wife laughed for an hour, which I think was very cruel. > > December 17 > Still way below freezing. > Roads are too icy to go anywhere. > Electricity was off for 5 hours. > I had to pile the blankets on to stay warm. > Nothing to do but stare at the wife and try not to irritate her. > Guess I should've bought a wood stove, but won't admit it to her. > God I hate it when she's right. > I can't believe I'm freezing to death in my own living room. > > December 20 > Electricity's back on, but had another 14 inches of the damn stuff > last night. > More shoveling! > Took all day. > The damn snowplow came by twice. > Tried to find a neighbor kid to shovel, but they said they're too > busy playing hockey. > I think they're lying. > Called the only hardware store around to see about buying a snow > blower and they're out. > Might have another shipment in March. > I think they're lying. > Bob says I have to shovel or the city will have it done and bill me. > I think he's lying. > > December 22 > Bob was right about a white Christmas because 13 more inches of the > white shit fell today, and it's so cold, it probably won't melt > till August. > Took me 45 minutes to get all dressed up to go out to shovel and > then I had to piss. > By the time I got undressed, pissed and dressed again. I was too > tired to shovel. > Tried to hire Bob who has a plow on his truck for the rest of the > winter, but he says he's too busy. I think the asshole is lying. > > December 23 > Only 2 inches of snow today > And it warmed up to 0. > The wife wanted me to decorate the front of the house this morning. > What is she, nuts?!! > Why didn't she tell me to do that a month ago? > She says she did but I think she's lying. > > December 24 > 6 inches - Snow packed so hard by snowplow, l broke the shovel. > Thought I was having a heart attack. > If I ever catch the son of a bitch who drives that snow plow, I'll > drag him through the snow by his balls and beat him to death with my > broken shovel. > I know he hides around the corner and waits for me to finish > shoveling and then he comes down the street at a 100 miles an hour > and throws snow all over where I've just been! > Tonight the wife wanted me to sing Christmas carols with her and > open our presents, but I was too busy watching for the damn snowplow. > > December 25 > Merry freaking Christmas! > 20 more inches of the damn slop tonight -Snowed in. > The idea of shoveling makes my blood boil. > God, I hate the snow! > Then the snowplow driver came by asking for a donation and I hit him > over the head with my shovel. > The wife says I have a bad attitude. > I think she's an idiot. > If I have to watch "It's A Wonderful Life" one more time, I'm going > to stuff her into the microwave. > > December 26 > Still snowed in. > Why the hell did I ever move here? > It was all HER idea. > She's really getting on my nerves. > > December 27 > Temperature dropped to -30 and the pipes froze; plumber came after > 14 hours of waiting for him, he only charged me $1,400 to replace > all my pipes. > > December 28 > Warmed up to above -20. > Still snowed in. > The BITCH is driving me crazy!!! > > December 29 > 10 more inches. > Bob says I have to shovel the roof or it could cave in. > That's the silliest thing I ever heard. How dumb does he think I am? > > December 30 > Roof caved in. > I beat up the snow plow driver, and now he is suing me for a million > dollars, not only the beating I gave him, but also for trying to > shove the broken snow shovel up his ass. > The wife went home to her mother. > Nine more inches predicted. > > December 31 > I set fire to what's left of the house. > No more shoveling. > > January 8 > Feel so good. > I just love those little white pills they keep giving me. > Why am I tied to the bed? > > John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From ironbt01 at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 00:15:00 2010 From: ironbt01 at gmail.com (Greg Roberts) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:15:00 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I do hope that Greg Roberts appreciates us "sharing" our boundy with him In-Reply-To: <4B7737EC.3020201@argolis.org> References: <2a937ecc1002131002i496e1c9qe604350dc6255bda@mail.gmail.com> <4B7737EC.3020201@argolis.org> Message-ID: <2a937ecc1002131615v3194ec4ekb11f84c31018f7ac@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Greg Roberts wrote: > >> I've been showing my wife some of the pictures you folks have been >> posting (and thanks for doing so). ?There are reasons we live in the >> South.... lack of feet of snow is one of them! ?8+} > > We expect pictures in return of Alabama summer when everyone is inside since > it's 100 degrees and 100% humidity. :) Sure, Matt. And what's wrong with a nice, warm, sunny summer day? 8+} On that point, we only had a couple of days this past summer that hit triple digits, and I don't think Birmingham did all summer. Greg Roberts Wadley, AL From Ducdude at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 00:37:49 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:37:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! References: <8CC7B07F355E0E0-4938-C993@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <189F8041F3174BCF993970620AF9F7BA@heilveil5e3fdd> Gary, If I had known that was you I would have stopped and chatted a bit.... http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Travel/New-Orleans-10/11184554_Ydgnh#787189015_vt5WY Ciao, Duc 1971 Honda C70 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Christman" To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! > Here's a link to my New Orleans trip......some moto content! > > > > Gary Christman > '07 R 1200 GS Adventure > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From Braveirwin at aol.com Sun Feb 14 01:50:54 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:50:54 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] No power, shovelling Message-ID: <11e8e.118482e6.38a8b0fe@aol.com> In a message dated 2/13/2010 12:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com writes: It goes without saying (well I said it already) that I respect people who efficiently use the right machine for the right job. I'm not efficient. ======================================================================= I like your style, Doug. I guess when the weather breaks, I'll bring a machette to finish the fence line with you. Nah. Roddy. From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 14 02:38:19 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:38:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! In-Reply-To: <8CC7B07F355E0E0-4938-C993@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B771BCB.18577.11EF3EFB@localhost> > Here's a link to my New Orleans trip......some moto content! > > > http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Travel/New-Orleans-10/11184554_Ydgnh#784141593_eWmrt > > Gary, Fantastic pictures. I was down there about 15 years ago during the week before Mardi Gras and it was great. Thanks for bringing back all those memories. Did you have those sugar coated pastries every morning? Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From Braveirwin at aol.com Sun Feb 14 02:47:21 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:47:21 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! Message-ID: <12cfc.592aa4a7.38a8be39@aol.com> In a message dated 2/13/2010 4:24:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com writes: Gary, there are many great pics in there. Thanks! ================================================ I second that. Thank you so much for the tour. Roddy. From gary5410 at aol.com Sun Feb 14 04:35:38 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:35:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! In-Reply-To: <4B771BCB.18577.11EF3EFB@localhost> Message-ID: <8CC7B464AA6D771-73CC-54CD@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> beignets...YES! <> From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 14 12:45:36 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:45:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] New Orleans pics.....some moto content! In-Reply-To: <8CC7B464AA6D771-73CC-54CD@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B771BCB.18577.11EF3EFB@localhost> Message-ID: <4B77AA20.3604.141B3C0B@localhost> > beignets...YES! > Are they filled with anything, or just tasty by themselves? > < morning?>> > By the way. I think the Smugmug software is the nicest to view somebody's album with. I used the slideshow. The pictures came up fast and the captions were superimposed on the picture, not hidden off screen. My 0.02. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From motorrader at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 14:07:58 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:07:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Karl Duffner Tribute via R90S Club Newsletter Message-ID: I was asked last September to write a member profile on Karl Duffner for the R90S Sport Owners Club. The club was experiencing some technical problems and a computer crashing, etc. so it was a few months late in publication. I hope you will enjoy the tribute. A special thanks to Wayne Woodruff for his efforts in formatting this for the mac-pac ! Regards, Todd Trumbore http://2zars.com/mp/2010/02/13/karl-duffner-tribute/ From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 14 15:19:48 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:19:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's Message-ID: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> http://www.facebook.com/v/1387845975205 (Work Safe) Took a short video on the S1000RR running at Hermy's. I'm really curious for someone who is not on facebook to try the link to see if it works... From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 14 15:30:08 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:30:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lambretta to moto GP In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002121048j3f9a93c5pa7be36e577665a10@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002121048j3f9a93c5pa7be36e577665a10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B781700.4070804@argolis.org> Dan Whitfield wrote: > Lambretta motor scooters is going to contest 125cc moto GP this year!! > > http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/Lambretta+returns+to+the+World+Championship > > Hey Brian, where's VESPA?? Somehow, I was hoping they'd be racing some sort of scooter, like one of those L-class scooter/sportbikes you see in England, which I can't find a picture of. Think a small sport bike with a scooter drive-train in back. From jasiii at earthlink.net Sun Feb 14 15:43:03 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:43:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's Message-ID: <25859299.1266162183621.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >http://www.facebook.com/v/1387845975205 >(Work Safe) > >Took a short video on the S1000RR running at Hermy's. > >I'm really curious for someone who is not on facebook to try the link to >see if it works... Works for me and I am not on facebook :-> Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From rcavalie at verizon.net Sun Feb 14 16:02:09 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:02:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's In-Reply-To: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> References: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> Message-ID: <000001caad8f$1bec9ae0$53c5d0a0$@net> Matt, I'm not on Facebook and the link worked for me! Rick Cavaliere -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Matt Piechota Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:20 AM To: mac-pac-l at jtan.com Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's http://www.facebook.com/v/1387845975205 (Work Safe) Took a short video on the S1000RR running at Hermy's. I'm really curious for someone who is not on facebook to try the link to see if it works... From wayne at 2zars.com Sun Feb 14 18:46:12 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:46:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's In-Reply-To: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> References: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:19:48 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.facebook.com/v/1387845975205 >(Work Safe) > >Took a short video on the S1000RR running at Hermy's. > >I'm really curious for someone who is not on facebook to try the link to >see if it works... Yup and it sure don't sound like any beemer I've heard before! Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 14 18:49:11 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:49:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's In-Reply-To: References: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B7845A7.7040302@argolis.org> Wayne Woodruff wrote: > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:19:48 -0500, you wrote: > >> http://www.facebook.com/v/1387845975205 >> (Work Safe) >> >> Took a short video on the S1000RR running at Hermy's. >> >> I'm really curious for someone who is not on facebook to try the link to >> see if it works... > > Yup and it sure don't sound like any beemer I've heard before! I dunno, it kinda whines like a K-bike. :) From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 14 20:22:39 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:22:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's In-Reply-To: References: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B78153F.18525.15BDAE16@localhost> > >http://www.facebook.com/v/1387845975205 Snip... > > > >I'm really curious for someone who is not on facebook to try the link to > >see if it works... Link works A-OK. FWIW, facebook is verboten at work. > > Yup and it sure don't sound like any beemer I've heard before! Tiny too. The magazine testers love it. The ABS and traction control save your bacon w/o getting in your way. The best was Jack's comment. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 21:43:50 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:43:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Karl Duffner Tribute via R90S Club Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Todd Trumbore wrote: > I was asked last September to write a member profile on Karl Duffner for the > R90S Sport Owners Club. ?The club was experiencing some technical problems > and a computer crashing, etc. so it was a few months late in publication. > > I hope you will enjoy the tribute. ?A special thanks to Wayne Woodruff for > his efforts in formatting this for the mac-pac ! > > Regards, > Todd Trumbore > > http://2zars.com/mp/2010/02/13/karl-duffner-tribute/ > Todd, it was very good of you to put this history of Karl together. Nice job. Thanks to Wayne also. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 14 21:52:56 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:52:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Karl Duffner Tribute via R90S Club Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B782A68.9376.16105647@localhost> > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Todd Trumbore wrote: > > I was asked last September to write a member profile on Karl Duffner for the > > R90S Sport Owners Club. ?The club was experiencing some technical problems > > and a computer crashing, etc. so it was a few months late in publication. > > > > I hope you will enjoy the tribute. ?A special thanks to Wayne Woodruff for > > his efforts in formatting this for the mac-pac ! > > > > Regards, > > Todd Trumbore > > > > http://2zars.com/mp/2010/02/13/karl-duffner-tribute/ > > > > Todd, it was very good of you to put this history of Karl together. Nice job. > > Thanks to Wayne also. > > Very well done. Great job. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 14 22:03:35 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:03:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake Message-ID: <4B782CE7.1974.161A15BE@localhost> During the building of the addition I put the bikes on the back burner so I could focus my attention and wallet on more important things. Now that the addition is done I started betting the bikes back in shape. The K100's battery went kaput and the replacement came last week. I put it in along with a new fuel filter and it fired up. A quick wash with the garden hose got the worst of the sawdust off and I was good to go. I get a reminder e-mail last week about the 3rd Sunday breakfast so I figured The PFD would be an appropriate first ride. I put on the electrics and helmet and headed out the driveway. It felt great to be back on the road. Everything looked great covered in snow. The few icy spots made me glad to have 3 wheels. I get the the PFD and I am the only bike... The third Sunday is next week! Oh well the waitresses were very nice to me and service was super quick. It was nice to get out and ride. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 14 22:25:35 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:25:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake In-Reply-To: <4B782CE7.1974.161A15BE@localhost> References: <4B782CE7.1974.161A15BE@localhost> Message-ID: <4B78785F.7090400@argolis.org> Joe Dille wrote: > I get the the PFD and I am the only bike... The third Sunday is next > week! Oh well the waitresses were very nice to me and service was > super quick. It was nice to get out and ride. Nice. It was a little confusing having the notice come out just before the weekend. I thought a few times to myself today that I should have gone to breakfast. From darkside at ix.netcom.com Sun Feb 14 23:05:54 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:05:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake Message-ID: <13175694.1266188754586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: Joe Dille >Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake > >During the building of the addition I put the bikes on the back >burner so I could focus my attention and wallet on more important >things. so what was more important then the bikes while you were building the addition??? just curious. paz, salitas y cerveza! Eric From jasiii at earthlink.net Mon Feb 15 00:01:44 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:01:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake Message-ID: <950387.1266192104299.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >I get the the PFD and I am the only bike... The third Sunday is next >week! Oh well the waitresses were very nice to me and service was >super quick. It was nice to get out and ride. > >Joe Welcome to getting old.. CRS comes with age. I try to keep three calendars :-> just so I do not make too many of these type of mistakes Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From mjcantwe at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 01:23:48 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:23:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] RA Rally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8bafeb801002141723p4777c94dweafa0afe796c2016@mail.gmail.com> Wow, this rally is within my 'ride to it and back home in the same day' range. Jack, if you're thinking of this one, I'd be more than happy to accompany you. On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > This rally is within my three-day range. > From mjcantwe at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 01:42:45 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:42:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC - My friend Carl got his 100k recognition from BMW... Message-ID: <8bafeb801002141742x142186bfo2867b119256ce0ed@mail.gmail.com> ...and he made the newspaper to boot... http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20100213/CURR04/302139997 From mjcantwe at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 01:52:16 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:52:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... Message-ID: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Gentle-folks, I would like to nominate Carl Boler to be a member of the Mac-Pac Eating and Wrenching Society. He is a wonderful guy and loves to ride. As an added bonus, he doesn't know Jack Riepe, which should qualify him as a member above all his qualifications. With that I'll let the leaders of the Mac-Pac decide. Sincerely, Michael. PS, I didn't tell him yet, so don't mention anything about the goat. From jaburke4 at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 02:09:17 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:09:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this atitude occur in the U. S. of A? Message-ID: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html Sorry Brian Might have sent a duplicate from a unsubscribed address..... John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From piechota at argolis.org Mon Feb 15 02:14:23 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:14:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this atitude occur in the U. S. of A? In-Reply-To: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> References: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B78ADFF.10702@argolis.org> John Burkhauser wrote: > http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html > > Sorry Brian Might have sent a duplicate from a unsubscribed address..... How do we know it's the guns that stop crime? Maybe it's the really good public education and health care? And no one invades Switzerland because all the countries need a safe place for bank accounts to fund external 'operations'. :) From piechota at argolis.org Mon Feb 15 02:14:53 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:14:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B78AE1D.2090906@argolis.org> Michael Cantwell wrote: > Gentle-folks, > > I would like to nominate Carl Boler to be a member of the Mac-Pac > Eating and Wrenching Society. He is a wonderful guy and loves to ride. > As an added bonus, he doesn't know Jack Riepe, which should qualify > him as a member above all his qualifications. > > With that I'll let the leaders of the Mac-Pac decide. How long have you been reading the list? From piechota at argolis.org Mon Feb 15 02:28:44 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:28:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's In-Reply-To: <4B78153F.18525.15BDAE16@localhost> References: <4B781494.1020107@argolis.org> <4B78153F.18525.15BDAE16@localhost> Message-ID: <4B78B15C.1000300@argolis.org> Joe Dille wrote: > Tiny too. The magazine testers love it. The ABS and traction > control save your bacon w/o getting in your way. Yep. The seating position doesn't seem *too* extreme. It's certainly sporty, but the seat-to-bars relationship seems closer to an F800ST than the Triumph Daytona 675 (your butt is much higher and/or the bars are lower on the Triumph). From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 15 02:32:25 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:32:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this atitude occur in the U. S. of A? In-Reply-To: <4B78ADFF.10702@argolis.org> References: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> <4B78ADFF.10702@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B78B239.6090401@ptd.net> Matt Piechota wrote: > John Burkhauser wrote: > >> http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html >> >> Sorry Brian Might have sent a duplicate from a unsubscribed address..... >> > > How do we know it's the guns that stop crime? Maybe it's the really > good public education and health care? > > And no one invades Switzerland because all the countries need a safe > place for bank accounts to fund external 'operations'. :) > The safe place for bank accounts in Switzerland has ended. The Swiss now hand over the necessary information to US authorities. Think Guatemala now. Chris Jaccarino From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 02:53:58 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:53:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this atitude occur in the U. S. of A? In-Reply-To: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> References: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 2/14/10, John Burkhauser wrote: > http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html > > Sorry Brian Might have sent a duplicate from a unsubscribed address..... Nope good address. I would suggest viewing it again. There is LITTLE about invasion in there. However, it does speak a good bit to not allowing your government to kill you. There are those in the US that will not allow themselves to be killed by their government. Or not easily. There are others that will be too happy to go along. It is about the ABILITY to have a choice. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From Braveirwin at aol.com Mon Feb 15 03:11:15 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:11:15 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Video of S1000RR at Hermy's Message-ID: <27f10.250a2c0e.38aa1553@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/2010 10:20:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, piechota at argolis.org writes: I'm really curious for someone who is not on facebook to try the link to see if it works... ======================================================= I AM on Facebook and it didn't work for me. Huh? Roddy. From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 15 03:20:03 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:20:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake In-Reply-To: <13175694.1266188754586.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B787713.24771.173BD2D7@localhost> > > > > > >From: Joe Dille > >Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake > > > >During the building of the addition I put the bikes on the back > >burner so I could focus my attention and wallet on more important > >things. > > so what was more important then the bikes while you were building > the addition??? just curious. > RACING! Ride Safe, Joe > paz, salitas y cerveza! > Not any more :-( > --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 15 03:36:01 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:36:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC7C0720DF64EF-4A3C-1AAC8@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> <> I vote no. Prospective members have to have enough balls to ask for themselves. They have to really want the goat thing, too. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From gsrider at opposedtwin.com Mon Feb 15 04:26:30 2010 From: gsrider at opposedtwin.com (Steve Semonsky) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:26:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A3A68BF-A6BE-4787-BB93-805B881C7EE4@opposedtwin.com> On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Michael Cantwell wrote: > Gentle-folks, > > I would like to nominate Carl Boler to be a member of the Mac-Pac > Eating and Wrenching Society. He is a wonderful guy and loves to ride. > As an added bonus, he doesn't know Jack Riepe, which should qualify > him as a member above all his qualifications. When did we start voting on stuff? I vote we knock that nonsense off; makes me want to throw a copy of Roberts Rules of Order at someone... Cheers, [the Mr Hyde side of] Steve From jack.riepe at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 05:05:41 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:05:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Michael Caldwell: While I don't actually know Carl Boler, I heard he's a real prick. He should fit right in. Tell him to contact Brian Curry and to act in a most obsequious manner, begging and pleading to be included on the list. Then I'll appoint him hot dog ride chairperson. Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From Weswirsding at aol.com Mon Feb 15 05:37:34 2010 From: Weswirsding at aol.com (Weswirsding at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:37:34 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Help Mac-Pac returned Message-ID: <29dd1.235cae90.38aa379e@aol.com> From: MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com To: Weswirsding at aol.com Sent: 2/15/2010 12:20:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Returned mail: see transcript for details *** ATTENTION *** Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its delivery. 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URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100215/d648854b/attachment.html From kgbruce at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 12:54:22 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:54:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <22937C3129EF4AE7AB5BC6F12623F6B0@lenovo4903350b> > With that I'll let the leaders of the Mac-Pac decide. > > Sincerely, > Michael. > > PS, I didn't tell him yet, so don't mention anything about the goat. ------------------------------------------- Leaders??? Ken Bruce From pasegc at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:13:33 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:13:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Michael Cantwell wrote: > Gentle-folks, > > I would like to nominate Carl Boler to be a member of the Mac-Pac > Eating and Wrenching Society. He is a wonderful guy and loves to ride. > As an added bonus, he doesn't know Jack Riepe, which should qualify > him as a member above all his qualifications. Only want him if he adds lots of miles to our MOA mileage cont*st. He must therefore be a member of the MOA. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA By the way, who nominated you??? We need to talk with that person or beast. From gary5410 at aol.com Mon Feb 15 15:15:10 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:15:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp Message-ID: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Gotta check out these pics...... http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=547029 Gary Christman '07 1200 GS Adventure From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 15 15:35:54 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:35:54 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp In-Reply-To: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <58516.12.181.211.35.1266248154.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Gotta check out these pics...... > > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=547029 > Just like the ride out my driveway this morning. Ride Safe, Joe From Braveirwin at aol.com Mon Feb 15 15:38:33 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:38:33 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp Message-ID: <6d70.667e0b30.38aac479@aol.com> In a message dated 2/15/2010 10:16:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gary5410 at aol.com writes: Gotta check out these pics...... ======================================================= I sent them to my bother-in-law in Alaska to remind him of home. Roddy. From todd.p.byrum at lmco.com Mon Feb 15 15:51:26 2010 From: todd.p.byrum at lmco.com (Byrum, Todd P) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:51:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <8CC7C0720DF64EF-4A3C-1AAC8@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> <8CC7C0720DF64EF-4A3C-1AAC8@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Well, Carl had enough balls to drive south into the maw of Snowmageddon I last weekend to attend SuperTech and enjoy some of the white knuckled driving here in Pottstown. And he even sat thru TWO of Cutter's tech sessions. And he kept a great smile on all weekend too so I like that attitude. And Yes! He does pile on the miles - Labrador, James Bay and all over the place. Should be an excellent addition to the Pac. I wonder if we're good enough for him.... Come on Carl, it won't hurt. I vote yes (though I HAVE no vote really). Todd byrum Gilbertsville, PA -----Original Message----- From: Tom Cutter Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:36 PM To: mjcantwe at gmail.com; mac-pac-l at jtan.com; ridebackroads at gmail.com Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... < References: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <58516.12.181.211.35.1266248154.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Joe Dille wrote: >> Gotta check out these pics...... >> >> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=547029 >> > > Just like the ride out my driveway this morning. > > Ride Safe, > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ It may be a while for some of these bikes to get out of here.... and its been a very cold winter in Europe. I think I would prefer a hot toddy next to a roaring fireplace at the ski lodge! - EPH http://www.bvdm.de/et.html >From http://home.wxs.nl/~dreuning/elefanten.html In Germany, in wintertime, there is a motorcycle meeting (treffen) called Elefanten Treffen. It's located in a little town called Solla, in Bayerischer Wald near the city Passau. In the beginning a few sidecar lovers drove there Z?ndapps KS 650 to a meeting point. The nickname of that bike was "Gr?ne Elefant" And so the Elefanten Treffen was born. Nowadays about 5000 to 6000 people join the treffen every year. It is not restricted to sidecars only, there are even more solo bikes than sidecars. From todd.p.byrum at lmco.com Mon Feb 15 15:53:29 2010 From: todd.p.byrum at lmco.com (Byrum, Todd P) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:53:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake In-Reply-To: <4B78785F.7090400@argolis.org> References: <4B782CE7.1974.161A15BE@localhost> <4B78785F.7090400@argolis.org> Message-ID: Sorry for the confusion but I'm OOT all week and have limited access to mail. I needed to get the notice out early to be sure. See ya all THIS Sunday. todd -----Original Message----- From: Matt Piechota Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake Joe Dille wrote: > I get the the PFD and I am the only bike... The third Sunday is next > week! Oh well the waitresses were very nice to me and service was > super quick. It was nice to get out and ride. Nice. It was a little confusing having the notice come out just before the weekend. I thought a few times to myself today that I should have gone to breakfast. _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 16:47:58 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:47:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <58516.12.181.211.35.1266248154.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: ... > http://www.bvdm.de/et.html > > >From http://home.wxs.nl/~dreuning/elefanten.html > In Germany, in wintertime, there is a motorcycle meeting (treffen) > called Elefanten Treffen. It's located in a little town called Solla, > in Bayerischer Wald near the city Passau. > In the beginning a few sidecar lovers drove there Z?ndapps KS 650 to a > meeting point. The nickname of that bike was "Gr?ne Elefant" And so > the Elefanten Treffen was born. Nowadays about 5000 to 6000 people > join the treffen every year. It is not restricted to sidecars only, > there are even more solo bikes than sidecars. Thanks to Erik, for once again checking out the background and providing a concise summary. The original ADVRider writer unfortunately left out the who, what, why, where and when. However some of his landscape photos were like those of Renaissance masters, breathtaking. Yes, the story was fascinating too, once you figured out the background. Does anybody buy the explanation of his KTM clutch failure? The dealer claimed "a short" in the heated grips caused the clutch fluid to boil. Is that possible? The solution was to not use the heated grips, but in temps presumably below 20F is that a solution? Since the rider unfortunately never mentions the grips or the clutch again we have to assume that was the correct cause and solution. I'm puzzled. And why do writers continually say "it was real cold" without ever mentioning the temperature? When you're riding to one of the coldest places you've ever been, how about packing a 50cent thermometer? But thanks to Gary for posting another adventure ride that raises the bar for all of us. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 15 17:35:09 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:35:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Sound Deadening/Damping Material in a Car Message-ID: <4B7985CD.4030504@ptd.net> Anyone on the list and audio engineer or plays the part? I am looking at adding some vibration and/or sound deadening/damping materials to a car and got some questions as to what is truly important......the butyl adhesive which sticks the material to the car or the aluminum constraining layer. Hit me off list for a brief conversation, thanks Chris Jaccarino From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 17:37:36 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:37:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> <58516.12.181.211.35.1266248154.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: > ... >> http://www.bvdm.de/et.html >> >> >From http://home.wxs.nl/~dreuning/elefanten.html >> In Germany, in wintertime, there is a motorcycle meeting (treffen) >> called Elefanten Treffen. It's located in a little town called Solla, >> in Bayerischer Wald near the city Passau. >> In the beginning a few sidecar lovers drove there Z?ndapps KS 650 to a >> meeting point. The nickname of that bike was "Gr?ne Elefant" And so >> the Elefanten Treffen was born. Nowadays about 5000 to 6000 people >> join the treffen every year. It is not restricted to sidecars only, >> there are even more solo bikes than sidecars. > > Thanks to Erik, for once again checking out the background and > providing a concise summary. > De nada, UR welcome. I did not know either, had to look it up for myself. - EPH > > And why do writers continually say "it was real cold" without ever > mentioning the temperature? ?When you're riding to one of the coldest > places you've ever been, how about packing a 50cent thermometer? > > -- > -- --------------- In January there were reports of record low temps in Europe http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/01/07/europe.weather.severe.winter/index.html?iref=allsearch But things have somewhat warmed; today's lows are 14-23F for central Europe http://www.accuweather.com/world-maps.asp?partner=accuweather&type=low With "warming trend" over the next 5 days into the mid 30's for night time lows. Hey, that's better than here! http://www.accuweather.com/world-maps.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&site=eur&type=low&fday=5 From motorrader at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 18:49:53 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:49:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Made a mistake References: <4B782CE7.1974.161A15BE@localhost> Message-ID: <2C979029C58B4AD8BD26DCB43A1F03FF@dellfe483b726d> > I get the the PFD and I am the only bike... The third Sunday is next > week! Oh well the waitresses were very nice to me and service was > super quick. It was nice to get out and ride. > > Ride Safe, > Joe Joe, Two weeks ago on a Saturday morning, I rushed home from work because I had an AMCA breakfast/meeting to attend at 9 am. I quickly jump into some warm riding attire and was able to fire up the '59 Duo-Glide in fairly short order, thankfully ! I braved the 15 degree temperature and finally arrive at the restaurant, somewhat behind schedule but not too late. I'm puzzled because I see no other motorbikes in the parking lot. Now I'm thinking a got the date or the location wrong...........no, that wasn't the case. There were almost 40 members of the Perkiomen Chapter in attendance, but I was the sole rider. Silly me, this group doesn't have heated grips or use Gerbing suits. With 6v electrics on the panhead I wasn't plugged in either. My first order of business was to order a hot cup of coffee to use as a hand warmer. Ride 'em, Don't Hide 'em, Todd Trumbore PS. After sitting for over two hours in sub-freezing temperatures, the '59 wasn't real eager to fire up. It doesn't help any using 20-50w oil either. By the time I was done kicking, I was so warm I didn't need heated riding gear :) From 321design at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 19:22:36 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob H) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:22:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Front end loader stoppie Message-ID: <-3512696674975547970@unknownmsgid> Now this is how you drive a loader. Even has BMW content (sort of). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqw4k2fDr8&feature=youtube_gdata Rob; sent from my iPhone From rcavalie at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 20:21:40 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:21:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Front end loader stoppie In-Reply-To: <-3512696674975547970@unknownmsgid> References: <-3512696674975547970@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <001901caae7c$7c311690$749343b0$@net> > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On > Behalf Of Rob H > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:23 PM > To: Mac-Pac > Subject: [MAC-PAC] Front end loader stoppie > Now this is how you drive a loader. Even has BMW content (sort of). > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqw4k2fDr8&feature=youtube_gdata Now that's cool! Hmmm..... I wonder if I could get my JD 4400 to do that? If you tip too far, the bucket prevents a wipeout! I would need something very heavy in the bucket to raise the rear on my machine. Maybe too heavy for the loader? Rick Cavaliere From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 21:12:06 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:12:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Front end loader stoppie In-Reply-To: <001901caae7c$7c311690$749343b0$@net> References: <-3512696674975547970@unknownmsgid> <001901caae7c$7c311690$749343b0$@net> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com > [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On >> Behalf Of Rob H >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:23 PM >> To: Mac-Pac >> Subject: [MAC-PAC] Front end loader stoppie > >> Now this is how you drive a loader. Even has BMW content (sort of). > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqw4k2fDr8&feature=youtube_gdata > > Now that's cool! > > Hmmm..... I wonder if I could get my JD 4400 to do that? If you tip too far, > the bucket prevents a wipeout! I would need something very heavy in the > bucket to raise the rear on my machine. Maybe too heavy for the loader? > > Rick Cavaliere > > > _______________________________________________ You could remove the backhoe (counterweight) on the back end of the 4400. Just put it back before doing any real work up front EPH From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Mon Feb 15 21:22:55 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:22:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know Message-ID: <009301caae85$0a63b370$4101a8c0@FastHP> It's snowing in Morgantown Marge From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 21:27:29 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:27:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know In-Reply-To: <009301caae85$0a63b370$4101a8c0@FastHP> References: <009301caae85$0a63b370$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: On 2/15/10, Marge Busch wrote: > It's snowing in Morgantown And Chester Springs!!!%^$#(*&%#@!!&&^%%$~!!!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From 440props at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 21:36:31 2010 From: 440props at gmail.com (Robert Atkinson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:36:31 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know In-Reply-To: References: <009301caae85$0a63b370$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <81b766bbfc003b01f45932abf4bc6654@gmail.com> On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Brian Curry wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/15/10, Marge Busch wrote: >> It's snowing in Morgantown > > And Chester Springs!!!%^$#(*&%#@!!&&^%%$~!!!!! > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry There is a storm on its way, butt it hasn't reached Wisconsin ... yet! -- Best, Robert Atkinson - 1988 K75S -1993 K75RT - ASTRAL BLUE Beemer Hill Riders - BOOF # 161 - MOA # 89159 - www.racine.org "Every town has a few bad drivers, eventually they all move to Racine, Wisconsin" From Buzbiker1 at aol.com Mon Feb 15 21:39:00 2010 From: Buzbiker1 at aol.com (Buzbiker1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:39:00 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know Message-ID: <136ab.562d0e4e.38ab18f4@aol.com> Now snowing in Devon. 4:38 pm Buzz Davis 337 Beaumont Road Devon, PA. 19333 610-574-0927 buzbiker1 at aol.com .jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 15 21:48:09 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:48:09 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know In-Reply-To: <136ab.562d0e4e.38ab18f4@aol.com> References: <136ab.562d0e4e.38ab18f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <6558.12.181.211.35.1266270489.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Now snowing in Devon. 4:38 pm > > Buzz Davis I guess I should hop on the rig and head home. It is only one wheel drive heading up the driveway. Ride Safe, Joe From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Mon Feb 15 22:54:45 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know In-Reply-To: <6558.12.181.211.35.1266270489.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <569595259.4248711266274485607.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >I guess I should hop on the rig and head home. It is only one wheel drive >heading up the driveway. Been snowing in Robesonia for about 1.5 hours. Have a dusting on the roads. Lets be careful out there. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From rsorens at comcast.net Mon Feb 15 23:04:46 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:04:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp In-Reply-To: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1ED0CF6A7DF14CE0BEA9AF00A47808E9@Tekki> >Gotta check out these pics...... > >http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=547029 WOW! And I thought my winter camping trips to Rickett's Glen, many years ago were great! From Ducdude at verizon.net Mon Feb 15 23:35:15 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:35:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know References: <009301caae85$0a63b370$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <31EACED446824E22BDA8F672A9D55DB1@heilveil5e3fdd> And Abington!!!*@#%(#^$)@^_^@_@&+(&^!%)^!%_&@#_&_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Curry" To: "Marge Busch" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Thought you would be Happy to know > On 2/15/10, Marge Busch wrote: >> It's snowing in Morgantown > > And Chester Springs!!!%^$#(*&%#@!!&&^%%$~!!!!! > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ambassador BMW MOA | > Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? > "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped > K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at > Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From Ducdude at verizon.net Tue Feb 16 00:05:34 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:05:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road Message-ID: <6FB6A37F3CEC46F59C681F14D5A25415@heilveil5e3fdd> Did we ever get a copy of this flick in the Pac?? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512189/ Thanks, Duc From Ducdude at verizon.net Tue Feb 16 00:30:20 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:30:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this atitude occur in the U. S. of A? References: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> Message-ID: <867AB588747449E28C4E82653B458ACA@heilveil5e3fdd> > http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html > > Sorry Brian Might have sent a duplicate from a unsubscribed address..... And we all say AMEN! Duc From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 16 03:11:13 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:11:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road In-Reply-To: <6FB6A37F3CEC46F59C681F14D5A25415@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: <4B79C681.24719.1C5A177D@localhost> > Did we ever get a copy of this flick in the Pac?? > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512189/ > Yep. I have two copies. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 03:16:50 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:16:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas Message-ID: <4a4431121002151916t25adfb5dp54a9e11e854bcff9@mail.gmail.com> Tribute to famous Brit bike electrics genius. http://www.hummingbirds.net/lucas/index.html>http://www.hummingbirds.net/lucas/index.html ECO Dano Greensboro NC From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 16 14:06:40 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:06:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] NOMINATION-Reconsidered Message-ID: <8CC7D286564B02D-1410-CB59@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> I'e reconsidered my no vote on the nomination of Carl Boler to the Mac-Pac. http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20100213/CURR04/302139997 We need his miles. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From pasegc at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 14:20:11 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:20:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] NOMINATION-Reconsidered In-Reply-To: <8CC7D286564B02D-1410-CB59@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D286564B02D-1410-CB59@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > I'e reconsidered my no vote on the nomination of Carl Boler to the > Mac-Pac. > > http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20100213/CURR04/302139997 > > We need his miles. > > Not so fast Messr Cutter. His miles go to the state of New York but his participation becomes that of the Mac-Pac. I'll still take his membership as he might have some great rides planned or available for us Southerners. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA From mrmevans at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 14:23:09 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:23:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Front end loader stoppie Message-ID: <8296f6de1002160623tf38453flf0dd759e62e67b1a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Rob H <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > Now this is how you drive a loader. Even has BMW content (sort of). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqw4k2fDr8&feature=youtube_gdata > How about using the stoppie style to load your bobcat onto your truck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvcrL9ojjo (been around for a while so apologies for repeat posting) -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From 321design at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:13:00 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob H) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:13:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Front end loader stoppie In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002160623tf38453flf0dd759e62e67b1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002160623tf38453flf0dd759e62e67b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8866866190312782167@unknownmsgid> Rob; sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Michael Evans wrote: >> >> > > How about using the stoppie style to load your bobcat onto your truck: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvcrL9ojjo > > (been around for a while so apologies for repeat posting) > > -- > Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From motoedde2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:16:51 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:16:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! Message-ID: http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From 321design at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:19:01 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob H) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:19:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Front end loader stoppie In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002160623tf38453flf0dd759e62e67b1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002160623tf38453flf0dd759e62e67b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <-3292772333508034462@unknownmsgid> On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Michael Evans wrote: >> >> > > How about using the stoppie style to load your bobcat onto your truck: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvcrL9ojjo > > (Sorry bout that mis-send) Seen it before but always amazing. I would like to see he or she gets it off the truck. Ron Haut From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 16 15:24:45 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:24:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> How do I find out whether that will work in my HP dv1000t Pavilion notrbook? http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: edde m To: mac-Pac Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:16 am Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 16 15:29:38 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:29:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] NOMINATION-Reconsidered In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7D286564B02D-1410-CB59@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7D33FC35E8A1-1410-E3A1@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <> Oh...well then he will have to move. That's not too much to ask to join such an elite group. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From motoedde2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:31:36 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:31:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > How do I find out whether that will work in my HP dv1000t Pavilion notrbook? > > > http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx > > > > Tom Cutter > Yardley, PA > http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com Find out from HP whether your notebook HD uses a SATA interface. If it does...you should be fine...SATA II vs I is a marketing ploy for the most part...as the performance gain isn't noticeable unless all of the planets in the solar system are in line. HTH -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From mmehalik at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:32:52 2010 From: mmehalik at gmail.com (Mark Mehalik) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:32:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A quick google shows a sata hard drive in your notebok. This drive should work fine for you, but will offer 1/2 the space. I'm not sure what the advantage is for you other than perhaps durability versus impact. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > How do I find out whether that will work in my HP dv1000t Pavilion > notrbook? > > > http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx > > > > Tom Cutter > Yardley, PA > http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: edde m > To: mac-Pac > Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:16 am > Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! > > > http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx > > -- > edde m > 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), > 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) > Philadelphia, US > web: motoedde > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100216/5261cae3/attachment.html From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:37:04 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:37:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Front end loader stoppie In-Reply-To: <-3292772333508034462@unknownmsgid> References: <8296f6de1002160623tf38453flf0dd759e62e67b1a@mail.gmail.com> <-3292772333508034462@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Rob H <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Michael Evans wrote: >>> >>> >> >> How about using the stoppie style to load your bobcat onto your truck: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvcrL9ojjo >> >> (Sorry bout that mis-send) > > Seen it before but always amazing. I would like to see he or she gets > it off the truck. > > Ron Haut > _______________________________________________ Just run the video in reverse? Erik H Not helping, as usual. From Buzbiker1 at aol.com Tue Feb 16 15:38:26 2010 From: Buzbiker1 at aol.com (Buzbiker1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:38:26 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas Message-ID: <7c61.64130ebe.38ac15f2@aol.com> I'm surprised they didn't do it in the dark. Buzz Buzz Davis 337 Beaumont Road Devon, PA. 19333 610-574-0927 buzbiker1 at aol.com In a message dated 2/15/2010 9:17:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitfield.dan at gmail.com writes: http://www.hummingbirds.net/lucas/index.html>http://www.hummingbirds.net/luc as/index.html From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 16 15:39:57 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:39:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7D356D5978E7-1410-E71D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <> Durability under impact is exactl;y what I need. I am death on notebook computers because I travel with them, and I don't coddle them. My notebook is my race tuning tool. It has all my Power Commander maps for different tracks and weather conditions. So the notebook has to sit on the seat of the runnign bike during a map swap, or be tethered by a USB cord that seems to get snagged and brings the 'book crashing down an awful lot. The spinning drive doesn't like that at all. A tethered hard 160 GB hard drive and a couple 1 TB sticks work fine to hold all my fat files, ie. photos, etc. All the "skinny" stuff like data files will fit the 60 GB just fine. I'm a memory-frugal kind of guy. I started with a Mac on a 45 MB drive. I think I'll pull the trigger on that drive. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Mehalik To: Tom Cutter Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:32 am Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! A quick google shows a sata hard drive in your notebok. This drive should work fine for you, but will offer 1/2 the space. I'm not sure what the advantage is for you other than perhaps durability versus impact. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > How do I find out whether that will work in my HP dv1000t Pavilion > notrbook? > > > http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx > > > > Tom Cutter > Yardley, PA > http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: edde m > To: mac-Pac > Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:16 am > Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! > > > http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx > > -- > edde m > 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), > 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) > Philadelphia, US > web: motoedde > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8CC7D356D5978E7-1410-E71D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7D356D5978E7-1410-E71D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > I think I'll pull the trigger on that drive. Pick up this enclosure for your old drive... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817816001&cm_re=sata_enclosure_2.5-_-17-816-001-_-Product Clone the old drive onto the new...and you should be good to go in under 20 minutes. SATA I vs II is bunch of BS...or marketing... http://www.serialata.org/developers/naming_guidelines.asp -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 16 15:55:45 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas In-Reply-To: <7c61.64130ebe.38ac15f2@aol.com> Message-ID: <2147203077.4534371266335745079.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >I'm surprised they didn't do it in the dark. My father and I as Triumph owners spent many hours cursing Lucas. He was, of course, the Prince of Darkness years before Ozzy Osbourne stole the name. Why did they use him? Because he was all they had, which is truly pathetic. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From mmehalik at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 15:58:02 2010 From: mmehalik at gmail.com (Mark Mehalik) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:58:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC7D356D5978E7-1410-E71D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7D356D5978E7-1410-E71D@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sounds like you're an ideal candidate then. Go for it, this is a good SSD. Semi-relatedly, I nabbed an early (really really crappy) solid-state drive at work specifically for riding. I often click shutdown then immediately close the lid, which in some cases will put a laptop to sleep right in the middle of shutdown. Yeah, I mangled a couple of drives on the ride home. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > < work fine for you, but will offer 1/2 the space. I'm not sure what the > advantage is for you other than perhaps durability versus impact.>> > > Durability under impact is exactl;y what I need. I am death on notebook > computers because I travel with them, and I don't coddle them. > > My notebook is my race tuning tool. It has all my Power Commander maps for > different tracks and weather conditions. So the notebook has to sit on the > seat of the runnign bike during a map swap, or be tethered by a USB cord > that seems to get snagged and brings the 'book crashing down an awful lot. > The spinning drive doesn't like that at all. > > A tethered hard 160 GB hard drive and a couple 1 TB sticks work fine to > hold all my fat files, ie. photos, etc. All the "skinny" stuff like data > files will fit the 60 GB just fine. > > I'm a memory-frugal kind of guy. I started with a Mac on a 45 MB drive. > > I think I'll pull the trigger on that drive. > > > Tom Cutter > Yardley, PA > http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Mehalik > To: Tom Cutter > Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com > Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:32 am > Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! > > > A quick google shows a sata hard drive in your notebok. This drive should > work fine for you, but will offer 1/2 the space. I'm not sure what the > advantage is for you other than perhaps durability versus impact. > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > How do I find out whether that will work in my HP dv1000t Pavilion >> notrbook? >> >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx >> >> >> >> Tom Cutter >> Yardley, PA >> http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: edde m >> To: mac-Pac >> Sent: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 10:16 am >> Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! >> >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx >> >> -- >> edde m >> 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), >> 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) >> Philadelphia, US >> web: motoedde >> _______________________________________________ >> Mac-pac-l mailing list >> Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Mac-pac-l mailing list >> Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >> http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100216/5261cae3/attachment.html > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100216/47a57055/attachment.html From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 16:39:44 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:39:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas In-Reply-To: <2147203077.4534371266335745079.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <7c61.64130ebe.38ac15f2@aol.com> <2147203077.4534371266335745079.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:55 AM, johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss) wrote: > > >>I'm surprised they didn't do it in the dark. > > > My father and I as Triumph owners spent many hours cursing Lucas. He was, of course, the Prince of Darkness years before Ozzy Osbourne stole the name. Why did they use him? Because he was all they had, which is truly pathetic. > > John Clauss > _______________________________________________ Despite all the complaints, Lucas remains in business with $3.5 billion in annual sales. Though the article seems to lack of lot of historical detail , skipping from 1926 to 1976..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Industries http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/LUCAS-INDUSTRIES-PLC-Company-History.html The company was founded by Joseph Lucas along with his son Harry, around 1872.[1] Initially called Joseph Lucas & Son it was based in Great King Street, Birmingham. At first it made general pressed metal merchandise including lamps for ships and coaches, later moving into oil and acetylene lamps for bicycles. In 1902, what by then had become Joseph Lucas Ltd started making automotive electrical components such as magnetos, alternators, windscreen wipers, horns, lighting, wiring and starter motors.[1] The company started its main growth in 1914 with a contract to supply the Morris Motor Company with electrical equipment.[1] During the First World War Lucas made shells and fuses, as well as electrical equipment for military vehicles. Blue plaque on factory building in Carver Street, Birmingham After the First World War the firm expanded rapidly, branching out into products such as braking systems and diesel systems for the automotive industry and hydraulic actuators and electronic engine control systems for the aerospace industry. In 1926 they gained an exclusive contract with Austin.[1] Around 1930, Lucas and Smiths established a trading agreement to avoid competition in each others markets.[1] ------------ I will make note that the Blue commemorative plaque to Mr Lucas is totally non-electric......... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blue_plaque_Joseph_Lucas.jpg The main Wikipedia article also fails to mention his "beloved" moniker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Darkness#See_also EPH West Chester From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:59:38 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:59:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I feel the earth, move, under my feet Message-ID: OT, but moving nonetheless http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/35421296#35421296 Makes me wish for more snow...rather than rain. EPH West CHester From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 16 18:08:42 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:08:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Orwell and Moto Content Message-ID: <4B7ADF2A.1070509@ptd.net> Someone on another list mentioned a website. He got me snooping around the website....I like this tidbid of opinion on Black Boxes......by Motorcyclist Magazine http://www.motorists.org/edr/home/motorcyclist-magazine-article/ Chris Jaccarino From Buzbiker1 at aol.com Tue Feb 16 18:21:36 2010 From: Buzbiker1 at aol.com (Buzbiker1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:21:36 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas Message-ID: Despite all the complaints, Lucas remains in business with $3.5 billion in annual sales. Though the article seems to lack of lot of historical detail , skipping from 1926 to 1976..... I'm sure the other parts of their business were successful and provided many with life long jobs for which Lucas is to be honored. My only experience with Lucas was in the BSA and Triumph motorcycles I owned back in the 60's. My 60 Bonneville had what they called "Energy Transfer" ignition and an alternator. The bike always started and ran well but the lights would fail at the worst possible times leaving me blasting down a dark road in the middle of the night flat out blind. During college I worked in a blast furnace at J&L steel in Pittsburgh. Working the 4 to 12 shift allowed me to ride home late at night on the Bonneville. Many of the streets were pretty dark and damned if the headlight wouldn't blow out half way home which meant following a car that had lights on it. The brake light never worked. The bulbs would burn out as soon as you stepped on the brake pedal. The Triumph dealer was a crusty old curmudgeon named Melvin Bohn. I took the bike to him about 5 times until he told me "Look, I can't fix the goddam thing!!" After that I gave up and rode it all the time with no lights. I had a set of reverse cone megaphone mufflers on that bike with Hepalite pistons, titanium rocker arms and pushrods and Q cams. It was pretty fast. I'd often take the cones off the megaphones. To this day that I remember that as some of the sweetest sound you'll ever hear coming out of a motorcycle. Buzz Buzz Davis 337 Beaumont Road Devon, PA. 19333 610-574-0927 From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 16 18:50:05 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas In-Reply-To: <976599378.4642481266346197015.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1822650155.4642651266346205101.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > My only >experience with Lucas was in the BSA and Triumph motorcycles I owned back in the >60's. My 60 Bonneville had what they called "Energy Transfer" ignition and an >alternator. The bike always started and ran well but the lights would middle of the night flat out blind. Ditto To be sure my Bonneville, made sweet music when it was running. It had Dunstall mufflers that were more open than closed. I had many, many issues caused by the wiring harness. The main power wire running from the battery would fail inside the insulation, making it a real headache to find the break. This was really more of a vibration issue, but replacing the original wire did help somewhat. The most bizarre issue I had were grounding issues. Once I had taken off a turn signal to replace a broken bulb carrier and the bike wouldn't start. Seems the whole bike was grounded through that turn signal. Made life difficult for sure. Had the headlight issue many times as well. Once I got my R60 all these issues went away, and soon after so did the bike. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 16 19:15:05 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:15:05 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas In-Reply-To: References: <7c61.64130ebe.38ac15f2@aol.com> <2147203077.4534371266335745079.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <11915.12.181.211.35.1266347705.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:55 AM, johnclauss%40comcast.net (John > Clauss) wrote: >> >> >>>I'm surprised they didn't do it in the dark. >> >> >> My father and I as Triumph owners spent many hours cursing Lucas. He >> was, of course, the Prince of Darkness years before Ozzy Osbourne stole >> the name. Why did they use him? Because he was all they had, which is >> truly pathetic. >> >> John Clauss > >> _______________________________________________ > > Despite all the complaints, Lucas remains in business with $3.5 > billion in annual sales. Though the article seems to lack of lot of > historical detail , skipping from 1926 to 1976..... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Industries > http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/LUCAS-INDUSTRIES-PLC-Company-History.html > > > The company was founded by Joseph Lucas along with his son Harry, > around 1872.[1] >From the same article... "With a monopoly in place, Lucas proceeded to supply electrical equipment that was commonly cited as the best reason not to buy a British car.[10][11]" Great stuff. I remember in the 1990s watching an Indy race and one of the cars coasted to a stop on the track. It was a March car from England. It was done for the day. Later the reporter was down in the pits interviewing the pit chief. He reported that they found the problem with the #9 car. The electronics module failed. At that point he held up the failed module, which was a cast aluminum part with the name LUCAS formed on the front. He held it up for the camera while he spoke about how this cost him the race and points towards the championship, blah, blah, blah. They say there is no such thing as bad publicity. I think this was an exception. Ride Safe, Joe From mjcantwe at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 20:59:55 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:59:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC...What I did Monday... Message-ID: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLYsvnwOVYA From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 21:20:03 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:20:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC...What I did Monday... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Michael Cantwell wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLYsvnwOVYA > _______________________________________________ I knew that had to be a k75 front fender. Camera mounted on L hard bag? Roads look pretty clear up there in NY. Thanks for the virtual ride today! Erik H West Chester From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 21:34:48 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:34:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Orwell and Moto Content In-Reply-To: <4B7ADF2A.1070509@ptd.net> References: <4B7ADF2A.1070509@ptd.net> Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: I am blue in the face from warning people about this crap. Trust me... There are millions of folks out there saying, "I think it's a good thing to catch violaters. Therse jerks do noty associate doing five or ten miles an hour over the limit as breaking the law because the have never or seldom been pulled over for it. What happens when the RFID chip in their license (which the bastards in the Pennsylvania state legislature have virtually approved) tells the cops and insurance companies that they routinely stop off in bar and have a few beers before coming home on a Friday night? Everybody says, "That's stupid." You'll find out how stupid it is. I'm sure no one I know has ever had an affair, or popped a colleague in the office. No one I know has ever disappeared for a weekend with someone who wasn't their wife. Wait until you find out that your cell phone, the GPS in the car, or the RFID chip in your drivers license tracks where you've been and that divorce lawyers will be able to subpoena this data. And remember where you heard it first. If you're not voting against it, then you are part of the problem. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 16 21:47:13 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:47:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Orwell and Moto Content In-Reply-To: References: <4B7ADF2A.1070509@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B7B1261.7070804@ptd.net> Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: > > I am blue in the face from warning people about this crap. Trust me... > There are millions of folks out there saying, "I think it's a good > thing to catch violaters. Therse jerks do noty associate doing five or > ten miles an hour over the limit as breaking the law because the have > never or seldom been pulled over for it. What happens when the RFID > chip in their license (which the bastards in the Pennsylvania state > legislature have virtually approved) tells the cops and insurance > companies that they routinely stop off in bar and have a few beers > before coming home on a Friday night? > > Everybody says, "That's stupid." You'll find out how stupid it is. > > I'm sure no one I know has ever had an affair, or popped a colleague > in the office. No one I know has ever disappeared for a weekend with > someone who wasn't their wife. Wait until you find out that your cell > phone, the GPS in the car, or the RFID chip in your drivers license > tracks where you've been and that divorce lawyers will be able to > subpoena this data. > > And remember where you heard it first. If you're not voting against > it, then you are part of the problem. > > > > > You're full of hot air...and if not air, something else. :) Chris Jaccarino From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 16 21:47:53 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:47:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas In-Reply-To: <1822650155.4642651266346205101.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CC7D68D3BAA8C5-2380-D22@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com> <<>60's. My 60 Bonneville had what they called "Energy Transfer" ignition and an alternator. >> Yup, it Transferred the Rider's Energy into Cursing and Sweating. God knows I've sweated enough over British motorcycles! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From 440props at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 21:51:25 2010 From: 440props at gmail.com (Robert Atkinson) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:51:25 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Orwell and Moto Content In-Reply-To: References: <4B7ADF2A.1070509@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Feb 16, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > If you're not voting against it, then you are part of the problem. So ... When are you going to organize the party for throwing RFID chips in boston harbor? :)) -- Best, Robert Atkinson - 1988 K75S -1993 K75RT - ASTRAL BLUE Beemer Hill Riders - BOOF # 161 - MOA # 89159 - http://www.friendsofscience.org/ "Every town has a few bad drivers, eventually they all move to Racine, Wisconsin" From oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 21:53:41 2010 From: oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com (oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:53:41 +0000 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas In-Reply-To: <8CC7D68D3BAA8C5-2380-D22@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com> References: <1822650155.4642651266346205101.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><8CC7D68D3BAA8C5-2380-D22@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <89675812-1266357223-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1722270427-@bda384.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> With my 59 Bonneville I never sweated the lights , night or day they last as long as the charge in the batt., on the other hand the Lucas Magnito has never failed in 41 yrs of ownership! Kenn Brown Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Cutter Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:47:53 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Tribute to Joseph Lucas <<>60's. My 60 Bonneville had what they called "Energy Transfer" ignition and an alternator. >> Yup, it Transferred the Rider's Energy into Cursing and Sweating. God knows I've sweated enough over British motorcycles! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 22:53:00 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:53:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Hell has not frozen over but Lake Erie has! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&article=2 (WS) Expect video of trucks floating around on the lake due to DUMB fisherman getting in "one last shot" at ice fishing. The good news. Lake effect snows will be MUCH reduced. Buffalo breaths a sigh of relief. Or this is why they sent Matt, the snow magnet, here so we get the Buffalo like snows this year.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 22:55:40 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:55:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] How about we Vote on Your Rights.... Message-ID: http://blog.seattlepi.com/jacklewis/archives/194561.asp (WS) Written by a motorcyclist, and a writer for Motorcyclist -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 22:57:28 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:57:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Al Gore may have to find a real job.... Message-ID: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html (WS) After all when the basis of all your pronouncements goes away, there is an issue. However, nothing stops cult beliefs either. So, he can become an religion. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 22:59:57 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:59:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCH5JgWCZY (WS) http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/vincentb.htm (WS, Lyrics and Chords) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:04:40 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:04:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Watch out for that lightning stuff, it is dangerous Message-ID: Watch how it puts out "feelers" until it gets a path an then POW!!! http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/02/gallery-lightning/ (WS) In particular pay attention to this one, where a car is struck while traveling at 75mph. The metallic car frame protected the operator. On a bike, not so much... http://www.ztresearch.com/ (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:08:57 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:08:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] =?utf-8?q?2_Days_late=2C_hopefully_not_many_dollars_sho?= =?utf-8?b?cnQ6IEjHlCBuacOhbiBkw6AgasOtLg==?= Message-ID: If you can't see the line immediately below you don't have a full character set installed in your computer. ? ? ? ? H? ni?n d? j?. Big good luck in the year of the Tiger. (Transliterated: Tiger Year Big Lucky.) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:09:43 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:09:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Even Dogs need a Blood Bank Message-ID: and donors are needed. (Dogs, not the people.) http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/15/dog.blood.bank/index.html (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:32:37 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp In-Reply-To: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Dear Gary: I thought this was so exciting... -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynocologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From mjcantwe at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:39:46 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:39:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Watch out for that lightning stuff, it is dangerous In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8bafeb801002161539m1ef8ea36q34e116212f5372df@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > In particular pay attention to this one, where a car is struck while > traveling at 75mph. ?The metallic car frame protected the operator. > On a bike, not so much... > http://www.ztresearch.com/ Thank goodness for the Faraday cage. From piechota at argolis.org Tue Feb 16 23:40:53 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:40:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B7B2D05.3050004@argolis.org> edde m wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: >> How do I find out whether that will work in my HP dv1000t Pavilion notrbook? >> >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx >> >> >> >> Tom Cutter >> Yardley, PA >> http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com > > > Find out from HP whether your notebook HD uses a SATA interface. If > it does...you should be fine...SATA II vs I is a marketing ploy for > the most part...as the performance gain isn't noticeable unless all of > the planets in the solar system are in line. See, I think (at this point) SSD is a marketing ploy. The read speeds are great, but the writes are awful. Plus, they're *weird*. The lose performance as time goes by until you erase them and start over. Something about the drive not knowing when a block is erased by the OS, so it keeps maintaining until you TRIM, or something. More accurate info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive#Comparison_of_SSD_with_hard_disk_drives Personally, I'm giving them a pass for at least another generation or two. From piechota at argolis.org Tue Feb 16 23:48:36 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:48:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Orwell and Moto Content In-Reply-To: <4B7ADF2A.1070509@ptd.net> References: <4B7ADF2A.1070509@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B7B2ED4.1090506@argolis.org> Chris wrote: > Someone on another list mentioned a website. He got me snooping around > the website....I like this tidbid of opinion on Black Boxes......by > Motorcyclist Magazine > > http://www.motorists.org/edr/home/motorcyclist-magazine-article/ Well, remote reading can be fixed with tin foil. :) From mjcantwe at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 23:53:32 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:53:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC...What I did Monday... In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002161553r3344848k1c7a6076a49f7b0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Erik Hoet wrote: > > I knew that had to be a k75 front fender. > > Camera mounted on L hard bag? Kodak Easy Share C180 with 1Gb SD card (about 10min video at 640x480). I mounted it to my crash bar with this... http://www.gofastandlight.com/prodinfo.asp?number=E-IR-UP1&variation= ...with the legs folded, I strapped it on the top of the crash bar first with rubber self stick tape, and then in reverse with the tripods velcro strap. I'll post a picture to my Picassa page and share. I had my doubts about how well it would stay on, or upright for that matter, but it held in that position without moving. After I passed the cars (end of video) I blipped it into triple digits...held just fine. > Roads look pretty clear up there in NY. I wouldn't have taken the ride if the roads were wet because all NYSDOT uses is salt...no sand to be seen even at intersections. Towns have been using a lot of sand because of tight budgets, so side roads will have to wait until later in the spring. Glad you enjoyed it. Michael From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 16 23:53:55 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:53:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <4B7B2D05.3050004@argolis.org> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <4B7B2D05.3050004@argolis.org> Message-ID: <8CC7D7A6F3D5096-4FF4-1300@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> <> I've read a lot of that, but the SSD makes my notebook machine a lot less likely to suffer from harsh handling. I've developed a stack of DOA SATA drives from being too rough. My plan is to mirror my HDD to the SSD and have one for backup and the other for daily use. Then I can swap to the SSD when the notebook goes a-traveling. I have SSD in my HP Mini notebook machine, which I use in the shop for playing my XM.com satellite radio and for doing diagnostic stuff with the GS-911 interface to the later BMWs with BMS-K (it is NOT Can-Bus, dammit!) controllers. [I prefer the USB connect to the Mini over the Bluetooth option, which I ried and found lacking.] The Mini screen is too small to read my Repair Manual library easily at trackside, and I have lots of that in several flash drives. BMW, Honda, Suzuki, etc. The little screen is just too small to see in daylight. So the little guy stays home and guards the shop (literally, with webcam and a motion sensor that phones me) while I am away. Jeez, I read all that and realize that I am not such a Luddite after all... When the SSD comes, I hope one of you guys is willing to walk me through the mirroring process with one drive in the external SATA drive. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From piechota at argolis.org Tue Feb 16 23:54:42 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:54:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Hell has not frozen over but Lake Erie has! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7B3042.7010606@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&article=2 > (WS) > > Expect video of trucks floating around on the lake due to DUMB > fisherman getting in "one last shot" at ice fishing. > > The good news. Lake effect snows will be MUCH reduced. Buffalo > breaths a sigh of relief. Or this is why they sent Matt, the snow > magnet, here so we get the Buffalo like snows this year.... > Well, we got a couple weeks worth of Buffalo snow this year. It just has to continue for another month and a half *THEN* you will know what it's like. As for the lake freezing, good. As the article mentions, it hasn't done it in years. That's my own personal evidence of global warming. The only question is whether it's at least in part made man-made. From motoedde2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 00:03:05 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:03:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC7D7A6F3D5096-4FF4-1300@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <4B7B2D05.3050004@argolis.org> <8CC7D7A6F3D5096-4FF4-1300@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: The SSD has a narrow list of needs...and Tom's maybe on that list. > When the SSD comes, I hope one of you guys is willing to walk me through the > mirroring process with one drive in the external SATA drive. Make a mirror copy of your old SATA to some external HD..... NOW Take out your old SATA and stick it into an enclosure...plug into USB on your laptop. Put your new SSD into computer and put in an imaging CD like Norton Ghost or Acronis True Image. Start your computer...which should boot to from your CD eventually. Follow directions to clone your HD...point source and clone destination appropriately. Go into kitchen and make yourself a smoothie...and then watch some boring Russian's in awful outfits igureskating...come back in 20-30 minutes and your cloned SSD should be ready to boot! HTH -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 17 00:06:15 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:06:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Al Gore may have to find a real job.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7B32F7.2010208@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html > (WS) > > After all when the basis of all your pronouncements goes away, there > is an issue. However, nothing stops cult beliefs either. So, he can > become an religion. Really, I expect better. I don't know if you've studied the history of science, but in my limited reading one thing sticks out: there are always crazy and wrong ideas about how stuff works. Science eventually leaves the crap behind and only keeps the stuff that makes sense. So yes, some 'scientists' cooked the books. It was figured out, that data is thrown out, and science moves on. Except those that want to make political hay out of it. From kdgregory at yahoo.com Wed Feb 17 00:05:17 2010 From: kdgregory at yahoo.com (Keith D Gregory) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:05:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <700118.4289.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Brian Curry wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCH5JgWCZY One of his more upbeat songs :-) > http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/vincentb.htm But making it sound like you're playing 2-3 guitars at the same time ... that's a bit more difficult. -kdg (who has driven multiple hours and flown hundreds of miles to see Richard Thompson in concert) From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 00:09:34 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:09:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC...What I did Monday... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Mike: I knew you wouldn't pass the minivan on Route 9 alonside the AuSable. Cluck, cluck, cluck... Bwaaaaaak, cluck, cluck, cluck. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 00:20:09 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:20:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this atitude occur in the U. S. of A? In-Reply-To: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> References: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> Message-ID: Der Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: In Roman times, the Swiss were known for their highly belligerant ways. They were called the Helvetii, which translates to "highly armed, easily agravated, cheese mongers." The Romans regarded them as mutants and killed as many as they could. In more modern times, the Swiss were recognized as "the other white race" and highly respected for family traditions that included sharp-shooting, home reloads, and introducing pre-schoolers to the single-rifle concept, as the Swiss are as cheap as they warlike. The Swiss have been traditionally chosen to guard the Pope as they will willingly kick the shit out of anyone who makes fun of their uniforms, which were designed by Michaelangelo (coming off a three-week drunk). -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I swear I did not know she was your sister." -- Benjamin Franklin From piechota at argolis.org Wed Feb 17 00:22:53 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:22:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC7D7A6F3D5096-4FF4-1300@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <4B7B2D05.3050004@argolis.org> <8CC7D7A6F3D5096-4FF4-1300@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B7B36DD.7000204@argolis.org> Tom Cutter wrote: > I've read a lot of that, but the SSD makes my notebook machine a lot > less likely to suffer from harsh handling. I've developed a stack of DOA > SATA drives from being too rough. Yeah, I read your response right after I posted my comment, you have a pretty good set of factors to make SSD worthwhile. > My plan is to mirror my HDD to the SSD and have one for backup and the > other for daily use. Then I can swap to the SSD when the notebook goes > a-traveling. Seems reasonable in theory. I'm not sure about Windows XP/Vista/7's capability to do a 'real' (RAID0) mirror. Anyone try it before? I've played with it on Windows Server 2003, it would be pretty cool: you'd just pull the external disk out and leave the mirror 'broken' while traveling, and let it sync back up when you get home. I can think of a pile of possible issues with that plan though. > I have SSD in my HP Mini notebook machine, which I use in the shop for > playing my XM.com satellite radio and for doing diagnostic stuff with > the GS-911 interface to the later BMWs with BMS-K (it is NOT Can-Bus, > dammit!) controllers. [I prefer the USB connect to the Mini over the > Bluetooth option, which I ried and found lacking.] Bluetooth is only really worthwhile for audio (the data rate is really slow), and even then it's more expensive, time-consuming, and fragile than a cable. :) > Jeez, I read all that and realize that I am not such a Luddite after all... No kidding. > When the SSD comes, I hope one of you guys is willing to walk me through > the mirroring process with one drive in the external SATA drive. I'll look around a little. You're probably going to have to go with some sort of image copy tool. I've tried the free edition of Macrium Reflect for doing an image of Beth's PC before Windows 7. I've also used Ghost and Acronis products at work. (I like Acronis more than Ghost). Macrium and it took 40 minutes to write out a 80GB image. I should caveat that by saying that it was writing to a 3.5"/7200RPM eSATA disk, which is reasonably quick by desktop standards. Writing that kind of data to a laptop or SSD disk will likely take longer. Does the laptop have an eSATA port? That will speed things up considerably. From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 00:27:26 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:27:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow References: Message-ID: From: "Brian Curry" Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCH5JgWCZY > (WS) > > http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/vincentb.htm ----- Original Message ----- Lord help me I do love that song!....One day ONE DAY I will have a Vincent of my own and I will ride the shit out of it! One day.. Duc From mjcantwe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 01:28:59 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:28:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC...What I did Monday... In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002161728p72a4b26erf52b7ba7dd34b876@mail.gmail.com> Because the memory ran out on my camera, you weren't able to see how well the camera held at triple digits. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Mike: > > I knew you wouldn't pass the minivan on Route 9 alonside the AuSable. > Cluck, cluck, cluck... Bwaaaaaak, cluck, cluck, cluck. > > > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack > The Lindbergh Baby > West Chester, Pa > From mjcantwe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 01:35:24 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:35:24 +0000 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Invitation to view Michael's Picasa Web Album - Camera mount Message-ID: <0016e6d279623fed81047fc1ddfb@google.com> For those interested, here is how I mounted the camera. Not pretty, but effective. I am already thinking of how I can make this setup better. Michael. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=mjcantwe&target=ALBUM&id=5439018734803962753&authkey=Gv1sRgCJuUor_14L6UywE&invite=CJLv7JUG&feat=email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100217/eb54251e/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: picasaweblogo-en_US.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2868 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100217/eb54251e/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: email.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 7526 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100217/eb54251e/attachment.jpg From Braveirwin at aol.com Wed Feb 17 01:42:08 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:42:08 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow Message-ID: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> In a message dated 2/16/2010 7:28:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Ducdude at verizon.net writes: Lord help me I do love that song!....One day ONE DAY I will have a Vincent of my own and I will ride the shit out of it! One day.. ==================================================== I have a red headed niece in Brooklyn NY who wears leather. She has a few very unique tattoos also. So let me know when you get that Vincent and let you take her for a ride. Roddy. From mjcantwe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 01:45:47 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:45:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow In-Reply-To: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> References: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002161745t3ffa8f4ybcef1a1b323658c6@mail.gmail.com> droool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgWFQxmAPYA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 02:00:39 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:00:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC7D7A6F3D5096-4FF4-1300@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7D334D00004B-1410-E227@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com> <4B7B2D05.3050004@argolis.org> <8CC7D7A6F3D5096-4FF4-1300@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/16/10, Tom Cutter wrote: > Jeez, I read all that and realize that I am not such a Luddite after > all... Next thing you know, you will be in a discussion over whether to paint or powdercoat your abraded center stand.... Watch out who you hang out with, you can become like them, for better or worse... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 17 02:10:48 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:10:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC...What I did Monday... In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801002161259l109fed3ke557c97e4e7060b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7B09D8.18200.21492165@localhost> > Dear Mike: > > I knew you wouldn't pass the minivan on Route 9 alonside the AuSable. > Cluck, cluck, cluck... Bwaaaaaak, cluck, cluck, cluck. > Well said by the wolds largest hood ornament! Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From Buzbiker1 at aol.com Wed Feb 17 02:13:23 2010 From: Buzbiker1 at aol.com (Buzbiker1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:13:23 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Al Gore may have to find a real job.... Message-ID: <1ce7d.39094e4e.38acaac3@aol.com> They say that in 19 Million years New York City will be under a mile of ice. Buzz Davis 337 Beaumont Road Devon, PA. 19333 610-574-0927 buzbiker1 at aol.com Really, I expect better. I don't know if you've studied the history of science, but in my limited reading one thing sticks out: there are always crazy and wrong ideas about how stuff works. Science eventually leaves the crap behind and only keeps the stuff that makes sense. So yes, some 'scientists' cooked the books. It was figured out, that data is thrown out, and science moves on. Except those that want to make political hay out of it. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 02:20:32 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:20:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Al Gore may have to find a real job.... In-Reply-To: <4B7B32F7.2010208@argolis.org> References: <4B7B32F7.2010208@argolis.org> Message-ID: On 2/16/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > Brian Curry wrote: > > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html > > (WS) > > > > After all when the basis of all your pronouncements goes away, there > > is an issue. However, nothing stops cult beliefs either. So, he can > > become an religion. > > > > Really, I expect better. I don't know if you've studied the history of > science, I have. but in my limited reading one thing sticks out: there are always > crazy and wrong ideas about how stuff works. Look at ideas about infection until the idea of bacteria came along. Look at how "surgery" was done during the US Civil War / War Between the States. Science eventually leaves the > crap behind and only keeps the stuff that makes sense. In the long run. Frequently the dumb, stupid or wrong ideas hang around until the last person that believes in it dies. And then there is when a politician(s) has an agenda and "uses the science that pleases them." The National Socialists has "science" behind their programs. Or so THEY THOUGHT. So yes, some > 'scientists' cooked the books. It was figured out, that data is thrown out, > and science moves on. Except those that want to make political hay out of > it. Or not. If the politician's cast it in stone it gets messy. The people pay for that. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 17 02:23:56 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:23:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002161745t3ffa8f4ybcef1a1b323658c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> <8bafeb801002161745t3ffa8f4ybcef1a1b323658c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:45:47 -0500, you wrote: >droool... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgWFQxmAPYA Great stuff, are their other parts movies for the remaining part? Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From mjcantwe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 02:30:02 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:30:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow In-Reply-To: References: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> <8bafeb801002161745t3ffa8f4ybcef1a1b323658c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002161830p7495b1a1p3c8f8332fac46700@mail.gmail.com> http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=safari&rls=en&q=top%20gear%20episodes&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#client=safari&emb=0&hl=en&q=top+gear+episodes+vincent&view=3 On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > Great stuff, are their other parts movies for the remaining part? The above link bring you to where the four parts of that episode is. You can also try the Top Gear website. From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 02:30:43 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:30:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow References: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> Message-ID: > In a message dated 2/16/2010 7:28:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Ducdude at verizon.net writes: > > Lord help me I do love that song!....One day ONE DAY I will have a > Vincent > of my own and I will ride the shit out of it! > One day.. > ==================================================== > I have a red headed niece in Brooklyn NY who wears leather. She has a few > very unique tattoos also. So let me know when you get that Vincent and > let > you take her for a ride. Roddy. > Thanks Roddy, Appreciate the offer but your niece will need to get a ride else where I already have a brunette that wears leather and puts up with and still loves me and she holds on just right in the twistys..A man could feel special with any such like...:-) I do love that song.. Ciao, Duc From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 02:34:22 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:34:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow References: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> <8bafeb801002161745t3ffa8f4ybcef1a1b323658c6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02FF486A0966419B86D823D45AEC72EA@heilveil5e3fdd> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cantwell" > droool... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgWFQxmAPYA Thanks Mike.... Yea that is a good one....I have the series..Cant get enough top gear.. The bike did have more then a few issues that really were not the fault of the bike actually.. Duc From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 17 02:37:51 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:37:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Al Gore may have to find a real job.... In-Reply-To: <1ce7d.39094e4e.38acaac3@aol.com> References: <1ce7d.39094e4e.38acaac3@aol.com> Message-ID: and in 20 years, Al Gore will be under a pile of dirt. :-) >They say that in 19 Million years New York City will be under a mile of >ice. > Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 02:37:04 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:37:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Orwell and Moto Content In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >If you're not voting against it, then you are part of the problem. I would think that a good healthy hammer would register a vote.....'Hmmm, can't imagine how that happened'.....'it doesn't work? Really? Hmmmm, wonder why!' From bmwdick at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 12:59:55 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:59:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Nomination... In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002141752n3c93d912mbf1acd26768d0d82@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Michael Cantwell wrote: > Gentle-folks, > > I would like to nominate Carl Boler to be a member of the Mac-Pac (SNIP) Just make sure you collect his dues. -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 20:47:45 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:47:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Elefantentreffen 2010 - winter ride/camp In-Reply-To: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7C68CC723955-73CC-15E49@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Gary: Thanks for the link to how "the other half" live. It brought Washington's winter encampment to mind. Personally I prefer dry roads and a bistro with a roaring fireplace, friendly waitresses, and good food, but I'll bet they had fun and a lifetime of good story telling to show for it. Dick On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > Gotta check out these pics...... > > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=547029 > > Gary Christman > '07 1200 GS Adventure > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 13:15:37 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:15:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fwd: VATICAN--TAKE YOUR TIME WITH THIS ONE. Beautiful virtual tours of the Vatican Message-ID: Something for a snowy day. . . A virtual tour of the Vatican's magnificence. It's slow and uses a lot of computer memory, but it's worth the time. INSTRUCTIONS: Select a site within the Vatican and click on it. Hold down the left mouse button and slowly move the cursor around the room. Use your Cursor for panoramic views. In the lower left of the picture there's a + and - for zooming Telephoto or Wide Screen. Use Back button to get to another location. ? http://www.vatican.va/various/basiliche/san_giovanni/vr_tour/index-en.html -- BMW-Dick From JABurke4 at aol.com Mon Feb 15 01:53:47 2010 From: JABurke4 at aol.com (john Burkhauser) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:53:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this attitude occur in the US of A? Message-ID: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html John Burkhauser jaburke4 at aol.com From rdlebout at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 03:38:41 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:38:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC new videos link for motorcycles Message-ID: <3f2b32881002161938y2d6bea46ye4a2137c8cdc4dd1@mail.gmail.com> this claims to be new http://www.throttlehand.com/user/pages/indexHome.php?page=../home/home.php -- Bobby LeBoutillier From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 03:56:28 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:56:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this attitude occur in the US of A? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <34FA11AC50064D68AECF0A1BDFB22594@Tekki> "the key to freedom is the ability to defend yourself...." Never heard it said more eloquently! http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html Thanks, John. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 04:31:44 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:31:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] The Samurai Motorcyclist Message-ID: http://blog.oregonlive.com/commuting/2010/02/commuting_mystery_who_is_portl.html (WS) Definitely strange. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 04:33:13 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:33:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Everything is better now, the Zamboni has arrived. Message-ID: The BIG ONE. At the Vancouver Olympics. Besides no snow, they have had bad ice it seems. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/olympics/olympia-machines-step-up-while-iconic-zamboni-continues-trek-across-rockies-84510902.html (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 04:34:46 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:34:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: The nude barbershop.... Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9zd8v5SL88 (Maybe not WS) Shades of Candid Camera. Well done. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 04:36:44 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:36:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Stop sign designed by a committee Message-ID: This maybe explains the red-light cameras. Maybe... http://usedwigs.com/video-stop-sign-designed-by-committee/ (WS) Actually it explains a lot of corporate stuff. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From tpcutter at aol.com Wed Feb 17 04:59:28 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:59:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <4B7B36DD.7000204@argolis.org> Message-ID: <8CC7DA51E3C05DF-A9D0-B4EF@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> <> I have a legit copy of Acronis True Image, so I will use that. ? <> I could answer that better if I knew what the F*** it was. But it does have a connector port that says "Expansion Port 2." Regardless, the SATA enclosue I bought (for a whopping $12) has a USB connection. I really don't care that much about speed or about how fast it will image. I can just start it and go do something silly like fix motorcycles or race them. BTW, I am running XP, with all the horrid Microsoft patches, kludges, band-aids, etc. I really appreciate the help, guys. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 05:54:00 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:54:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Invitation to view Michael's Picasa Web Album - Camera mount In-Reply-To: <0016e6d279623fed81047fc1ddfb@google.com> References: <0016e6d279623fed81047fc1ddfb@google.com> Message-ID: Dear Sir: Look at all that salt residue on those poor black engine cases. I hope you intend to wash that baby? -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I did know she was your sister." ? Benjamin Franklin From tpcutter at aol.com Wed Feb 17 06:01:09 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:01:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Al Gore may have to find a real job.... In-Reply-To: <1ce7d.39094e4e.38acaac3@aol.com> References: <1ce7d.39094e4e.38acaac3@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7DADBC847259-30C8-163BE@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> <> Ever think what the Polar bears will eat? Hint, they like warm-blooded food, and one with thin,almost fur-less skin might be a pretty god food source to an animal that can stand 20', sniff out a mouse burrowed under ten feet of snow, and outrun a fox and a caribou. Chow time in Central Park, dudes! I say it all the time: buy ammo! A nice Ruger rifle in .338 Win.mag. or 375 H&H will fill the bill if you can stay composed until Mr. Ursus maritimus or his darkie pal Ursus horriblis sniffs out your smelly, meaty butt. The only thing that might save us is if the oceanic streams are badly disrupted and the icy water circulation is stalled. The krill fiid chain will disappear as will the bears and seals. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 06:09:36 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:09:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow In-Reply-To: References: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> Message-ID: > > Appreciate the offer but your niece will need to get a ride else where > I already have a brunette that wears leather and puts up with and still > loves me and she holds on just right in the twistys..A man could feel > special with any such like...:-) I do love that song.. > > Ciao, > Duc > Hey DucDude: You better hope that Phyllis doesn't find about about this broad. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "How the hell was I to know she was your sister?" ? Ben Franklin From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 11:42:36 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:42:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Red Molly and the 1952 Vincent Black Shadow References: <1c8cd.51b85993.38aca370@aol.com> Message-ID: > > Appreciate the offer but your niece will need to get a ride else where > I already have a brunette that wears leather and puts up with and still > loves me and she holds on just right in the twistys..A man could feel > special with any such like...:-) I do love that song.. > > Ciao, > Duc > Hey DucDude: You better hope that Phyllis doesn't find about about this broad. Oh she knows Jack she knows,, Duc From tpcutter at aol.com Wed Feb 17 12:26:23 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:26:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this attitude occur in the US of A? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC7DE38D47DE87-3698-D2B5@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> <> Maybe the world remembes that the last time a forein power attacked tue USA, we nuked them? That would serve as a deterrent, more than popguns under the schnitzel tray. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 13:33:06 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:33:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Motorcycle Evdents Break Winter Dodrums... Dick and I are There Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: Saturday was an "open house" up at Hermy's. Dick Bregstein and I were there. A full report with pictures can be found at: http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/breaking-free-of-winter-doldrums.html -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "I am not a gynocologist, but I'll take a look at it." --- Abraham Lincoln From mjcantwe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 13:36:19 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:36:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Invitation to view Michael's Picasa Web Album - Camera mount In-Reply-To: References: <0016e6d279623fed81047fc1ddfb@google.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002170536j70803c91lcb55baf095657309@mail.gmail.com> Since I've owned it, this bike has seen as much salt as has been mined at Kilroot. From kgbruce at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 13:39:24 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:39:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER!!!! Message-ID: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Meine Damen und Herren, Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. Ahh, I can hear the accordion music now...can't you just taste the authentic Rauchfleisch and smell the Schweinepfeffer wafting through the rarified Bavarian air? Otto's menu has something for everyone from Wiener Schnitzel, to chicken cheesesteaks. Even the most discerning palate can find something to love at Otto's. One might ask..."Does Otto's have beer?" One might ask that but one would look like a DUMBKOFF! Does Otto's have beer?....Can Rolly play the guitar??? OF COURSE!! VAT EES GEHMUN FOOD VEETOUT BEEYAH?!? It would be like Raymond without a breakdown, Cutter without a clever comment, Sestrich without a sling, Christman without a camera, Rinda with no Lick, Lyba with no Bush, Jack with no Dick..... So, (deutsche)mark you calendars for Wednesday, February 24th @ 6:30 for the RIDERS' DINNER and enjoy (tolerate) the companionship of your fellow riders. If you can, let me know ahead of time so I can give the restaurant a count. If you don't know 'til the last minute, just show up. If the weather sucks, cage it...if the roads are clear (which may happen somewhere around Easter).....do whatever you want just BE THERE!! Eets not dat deefeekult. Get yo ahss to za ridazz deenah!! Ken Bruce From rollybrown at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 14:49:56 2010 From: rollybrown at verizon.net (Rolly Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:49:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT Message-ID: Not sure if these have already shown up here. They're more auto than moto, but still way cool >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24796741 at N05/sets/72157604247242338/ >> show/with/2346008881/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyf3qUnAkM Cheers, Rolly Rolly Brown Sellersville PA www.rollybrown.com www.myspace.com/rollybrown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100217/07ebcbe2/attachment.html From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:08:13 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:08:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Perfect for snowbound folk Message-ID: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> I wonder if you could rent this?? http://www.gizmag.com/russian-strap-on-tank/14194/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=4a906bd4b8-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email ECO Dano Greensboro NC From mjcantwe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:13:07 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:13:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8bafeb801002170713m423b9bbdwaeafe7dc1562ebef@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rolly Brown wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyf3qUnAkM > Ain't it amazing what they can do with computers nowadays? From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:17:08 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:17:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Perfect for snowbound folk In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/17/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > I wonder if you could rent this?? > > http://www.gizmag.com/russian-strap-on-tank/14194/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=4a906bd4b8-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email Jack has found a use for the Suburban when it won't pass PA inspection any more. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Wed Feb 17 15:17:47 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:17:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Perfect for snowbound folk In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7C089B.9040004@ptd.net> Dan Whitfield wrote: > I wonder if you could rent this?? > > http://www.gizmag.com/russian-strap-on-tank/14194/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=4a906bd4b8-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email > > > Dont know about that rental, but you can buy these for your 4x4.... http://www.mattracks.com/ Chris Jaccarino From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:21:57 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:21:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Everything is better now, the Zamboni has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > The BIG ONE. ? At the Vancouver Olympics. ?Besides no snow, they have > had bad ice it seems. > > http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/olympics/olympia-machines-step-up-while-iconic-zamboni-continues-trek-across-rockies-84510902.html > (WS) > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- That monster zamboni from Calgary should do the job. But hey, the crowds got entertained by the Dutch band Kleintje Pils during the delays, so all was not lost. (no pun intended....) http://espn.go.com/olympics/blog/_/name/winterolympics/id/4920126/the-stalwarts-speedskating http://www.kleintjepils.nl/uk/indexuk.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUcQMkBltQg Erik H West Chester From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:23:10 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:23:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002170713m423b9bbdwaeafe7dc1562ebef@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002170713m423b9bbdwaeafe7dc1562ebef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/17/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rolly Brown wrote: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyf3qUnAkM > > > Ain't it amazing what they can do with computers nowadays? Or not. Some would say you can't invert a 707 but it was done. Or pouring liquid from one container to another while doing a roll. Centripetal acceleration can do the trick if you have the right speeds. There has been debate on another list, of whether it was real or not. It might depend on if the bean counters believed the engineers. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:32:41 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:32:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Everything is better now, the Zamboni has arrived. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Erik: Thank you for calling this to our attention. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From chrisjac at ptd.net Wed Feb 17 15:40:19 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:40:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: NSFW Message-ID: <4B7C0DE3.4060405@ptd.net> http://viralvideochart.unrulymedia.com/youtube/wwwadmeru__aides_graffiti?id=9WPNhlzGoM0 Someone (their first name is the main character of the video) on the list sent me the video file, but I found it on You Tube as its too good to not show. NSFW Chris Jaccarino From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:46:07 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:46:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Perfect for snowbound folk In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Dan: I like looking at automotive oddities like these, but clicking on these sites occasionally lead to others. On my screen, there was a box above the strap-on tank trha held a TRIAC car, a three-wheeled electric vehicle. I clicked on this (as I am really intrigued by vehicles of this nature), and the TRIAC looked like something I'd buy if I had any money, which I don't. Clicking on the TRIAC led to an interview with a company representative, and a brief glimpse into the car. I was surprised to see it had three pedals? It also had what looked like a very conventional gear-shift. Why would a totally electric car have a clutch? I thought electric motors for cars were a direct linkage sort of thing, with a simple switch for reversing the current to change direction. Are they putting standard transmissions in electric vehicles now? Jack R. From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:49:17 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:49:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: NSFW In-Reply-To: <4B7C0DE3.4060405@ptd.net> References: <4B7C0DE3.4060405@ptd.net> Message-ID: Dear Chris: There is someone on the list named "Prick." -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:50:39 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:50:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Invitation to view Michael's Picasa Web Album - Camera mount In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002170536j70803c91lcb55baf095657309@mail.gmail.com> References: <0016e6d279623fed81047fc1ddfb@google.com> <8bafeb801002170536j70803c91lcb55baf095657309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Sir: That is like saying, "Since the child was left in my care, I routinely beat the shit out of him." It makes no sense. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:50:39 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:50:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Invitation to view Michael's Picasa Web Album - Camera mount In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002170536j70803c91lcb55baf095657309@mail.gmail.com> References: <0016e6d279623fed81047fc1ddfb@google.com> <8bafeb801002170536j70803c91lcb55baf095657309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Sir: That is like saying, "Since the child was left in my care, I routinely beat the shit out of him." It makes no sense. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:00:16 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:00:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Perfect for snowbound folk In-Reply-To: References: <4a4431121002170708j44fcb4fk1d79605b07848ec8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002170800o6461787ftedb7eb509e57fd59@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Dan: > > I like looking at automotive oddities like these, but clicking on > these sites occasionally lead to others. On my screen, there was a box > above the strap-on tank trha held a TRIAC car, a three-wheeled > electric vehicle. I clicked on this (as I am really intrigued by > vehicles of this nature), and the TRIAC looked like something I'd buy > if I had any money, which I don't. > > Clicking on the TRIAC led to an interview with a company > representative, and a brief glimpse into the car. I was surprised to > see it had three pedals? It also had what looked like a very > conventional gear-shift. Why would a totally electric car have a > clutch? I thought electric motors for cars were a direct linkage sort > of thing, with a simple switch for reversing the current to change > direction. > > Are they putting standard transmissions in electric vehicles now? > > Jack R. Not that I know of Jack. You know more than I do about the Triac electric car now. Dano From mjcantwe at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:51:30 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:51:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Invitation to view Michael's Picasa Web Album - Camera mount In-Reply-To: References: <0016e6d279623fed81047fc1ddfb@google.com> <8bafeb801002170536j70803c91lcb55baf095657309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002170851n34ebb164wc2e7a03d1b720a78@mail.gmail.com> Dear Mr. Riepe, I take care of my motorcycle. I also ride my motorcycle. I'm not going to wait until the stars are aligned or until mother nature decides to wash the salt off the road. Up here, that could be June. When the temperatures allow, I will wash my motorcycle. Sincerely, Michael. From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 16:52:25 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:52:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER!!!! In-Reply-To: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Ken Bruce wrote: > > Meine Damen und Herren, > > Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare > for the February Riders' Dinner! ?It is only fitting that we patronize a > "roundel" restaurant. ?So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will > convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, Danke schoen Herr Bruce, I'll be there. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 17:46:32 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:46:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801002170713m423b9bbdwaeafe7dc1562ebef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/17/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rolly Brown wrote: >> >> ?> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyf3qUnAkM >> >> >> Ain't it amazing what they can do with computers nowadays? > > Or not. ?Some would say you can't invert a 707 but it was done. ? Or > pouring liquid from one container to another while doing a roll. > > Centripetal acceleration can do the trick if you have the right speeds. > > There has been debate on another list, of whether it was real or not. > It might depend on if the bean counters believed the engineers. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mo info on the shoot; no seems to be questioning that is was done, just who was driving it..... http://www.egmcartech.com/2010/01/28/video-schumacher-was-behind-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-tunnel-stunt/ EPH No Dutch oompa bands were involved in the making of this video. But a lot of German "huts-pah" may have been! From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 18:44:42 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:44:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Maybe: Even Astronauts can't be truested. Corned Beef in Space Message-ID: http://news.discovery.com/space/the-case-of-the-contraband-corned-beef-sandwich.html Apparently it did not work out well as a taste treat. It even got Congressional action. Not that any of them ever do any thing they are not supposed to... Then there are the Ten Most Liked Foods in Space http://news.discovery.com/space/top-10-good-space-food.html Jack, you could have a job with the love of Japanese Takeout. Top cases for space! Then there is tortillas and hot sauce. Then there are the Ten Worst Foods in Space: http://news.discovery.com/space/top-10-bad-space-food.html Apparently wet burps are kinda like wet farts, but different end. No love for the cruciferous vegetables... :(:( All URLs are WS. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Wed Feb 17 19:02:57 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:02:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World Message-ID: <4B7C3D61.2040101@ptd.net> It's probably been around before, but we were talking about it today while trading stocks and so I figure why not post it..... The fact that the person filming just walks without protection is what makes me think he is a bit nuts. http://www.break.com/index/scariest-hiking-trail-in-world.html Chris Jaccarino From chrisjac at ptd.net Wed Feb 17 19:44:02 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:44:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World In-Reply-To: <4B7C3D61.2040101@ptd.net> References: <4B7C3D61.2040101@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B7C4702.7090305@ptd.net> Chris wrote: > It's probably been around before, but we were talking about it today > while trading stocks and so I figure why not post it..... > > The fact that the person filming just walks without protection is what > makes me think he is a bit nuts. > > http://www.break.com/index/scariest-hiking-trail-in-world.html > . Original video...better quality here............ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDhRvvs5Xw Chris Jaccarino From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 19:53:19 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:53:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fwd: VATICAN--TAKE YOUR TIME WITH THIS ONE. Beautiful virtual tours of the Vatican In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Dick wrote: > Something for a snowy day. . . > > A virtual tour of the Vatican's magnificence. > It's slow and uses a lot of computer memory, but it's worth the time. > > INSTRUCTIONS: > > Select a site within the Vatican and click on it. > > Hold down the left mouse button and slowly move the cursor around the room. > Use your Cursor for panoramic views. > In the lower left of the picture there's a + and - for zooming > Telephoto or Wide Screen. > Use Back button to get to another location. > > ? http://www.vatican.va/various/basiliche/san_giovanni/vr_tour/index-en.html > > > -- > BMW-Dick > _______________________________________________ Nice tour. But technically the Basilica of St. John Lateran is located down the street from the Colosseum , and not in Vatican City Wish we would have had time to visit, but alas we had to make due with the Colosseum and the Roman ruins nearby. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_St._John_Lateran The cathedral itself is located outside of the Vatican City boundaries, territorially located within the city of Rome in the Italian Republic. However it has been granted a special extraterritorial status as a property of the Holy See. This is also the case with several other buildings after the solving of the Roman Question with the Lateran Treaty. If you poke around the main website, there are some virtual tours, but not many. http://www.vatican.va/phome_en.htm Erik H West Chester From chrisjac at ptd.net Wed Feb 17 20:05:19 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:05:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Heaviest Element Yet Known to Science Discovered Message-ID: <4B7C4BFF.9060503@ptd.net> http://infidelsarecool.com/2010/02/08/heaviest-element-yet-known-to-science-discovered/ Chris Jaccarino From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 21:32:01 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:32:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Heaviest Element Yet Known to Science Discovered In-Reply-To: <4B7C4BFF.9060503@ptd.net> References: <4B7C4BFF.9060503@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris wrote: > > http://infidelsarecool.com/2010/02/08/heaviest-element-yet-known-to-science-discovered/ > > Chris Jaccarino Funny, but its just an old joke that's been recycled with current names. Administratium was the previous "heavy" element "discovered back in at least 1989 http://ebeltz.net/resume/jir.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administratium From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 21:59:22 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:59:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Send Jack another serving of Eggs, bacon, sausage and ham Message-ID: Hold the toast. Add any vegetables desired for roughage regularity! Buzz and Gerry might want some servings too. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=1 (11 pages long) http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=1&pagewanted=print (Single sheet, just keep scrolling down.) Lard, it really is good for you. Just not in pie crusts. Carbs be there. There is a few other messages in here if you are paying attention. Once an idea gets the "government seal of approval" it is about impossible to find that it is WRONG. Since most research has government/taxpayer funding, contrary ideas just ARE NOT investigated. After all we have "the word". Government folks just do not say "I/We were WRONG" cause the loss of face is too large. The masses just might not continue to believe them. And that would be bad. For them. It can also be bad for all the corporate organizations that have built businesses around "the word". Even when there correlations that don't support "the word" why that exists just can't be investigated. Face and $$$ might be lost. And then there are the things that "everyone knows" that have very little basis. Or a basis of a thin study that no one ever mentions how thin it is compared to what is required today if you were to be developing a drug. Or "facts" based on off the cuff remarks. It is hard to be contrary, even when not following "the word" WORKS and people are "cured". I know a non doctor that has made recommendations to Type 2 diabetics that have gotten them out of the condition and off the meds. They don't have the paper, but they have LIVED with Type 1 for about 40 years now, and there are not a lot of them around. It takes a lot of paying attention if you want live with it. It is far easier now, than when he developed it and the only "indicator" was a urine test strip.l Some folks are skeptical of the government being "here to help". Maybe the same should be taken for the government "establishing fact". How about sending over that bowl of skepticism. I want another serving. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 17 22:07:57 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:07:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] The Samurai Motorcyclist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >http://blog.oregonlive.com/commuting/2010/02/commuting_mystery_who_is_portl .html I WANT one.....it'll sure make someone think twice about cutting you off! Eh? From chrisjac at ptd.net Wed Feb 17 22:46:02 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:46:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Heaviest Element Yet Known to Science Discovered In-Reply-To: References: <4B7C4BFF.9060503@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B7C71AA.8020103@ptd.net> Erik Hoet wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chris wrote: > >> http://infidelsarecool.com/2010/02/08/heaviest-element-yet-known-to-science-discovered/ >> >> Chris Jaccarino >> > > > Funny, but its just an old joke that's been recycled with current names. > > Administratium was the previous "heavy" element "discovered back in at > least 1989 > > http://ebeltz.net/resume/jir.html > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administratium > > > I can always rely on you to find a reference or additional information on any subject. Chris From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 22:58:52 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:58:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT References: Message-ID: <37612E7E016D460A91022A7A078C9A07@heilveil5e3fdd> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolly Brown" To: "mac-pac" Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyf3qUnAkM > > Cheers, > Rolly OK that was freakin cool!! Duc From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 23:04:50 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:04:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT References: <8bafeb801002170713m423b9bbdwaeafe7dc1562ebef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34D20D3416DC41CCBF906B1841B4545F@heilveil5e3fdd> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyf3qUnAkM >> >> >> Ain't it amazing what they can do with computers nowadays? > > Or not. Some would say you can't invert a 707 but it was done. Or > pouring liquid from one container to another while doing a roll. > > Centripetal acceleration can do the trick if you have the right speeds. > > There has been debate on another list, of whether it was real or not. > It might depend on if the bean counters believed the engineers. > I vote real as that would cooler.. Duc From Ducdude at verizon.net Wed Feb 17 23:10:37 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:10:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fw: Oldie but goody Message-ID: > > If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today, their > > infamous sketch, "Who's on First?" might have turned out > > something like this: > > > COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT > > ABBOTT: Super Duper Computer Store Can I help you? > > COSTELLO: Thanks. I'm setting up an office in my den and > > I'm thinking about buying a computer. > > ABBOTT: Mac? > > COSTELLO: No, the name's Lou. > > ABBOTT: Your computer? > > COSTELLO: I don't own a computer. I want to buy one. > > ABBOTT: Mac? > > COSTELLO: I told you, my name's Lou. > > ABBOTT: What about Windows? > > COSTELLO: Why? Will it get stuffy in here? > > ABBOTT: Do you want a computer with Windows? > > COSTELLO: I don't know. What will I see when I look at the > windows? > > ABBOTT: Wallpaper. > > COSTELLO: Never mind the windows. I need a computer and > software. > > > ABBOTT: Software for Windows? > > COSTELLO: No. On the computer! I need something I can use > > to write proposals, track expenses and run my business. > What > > do you have? > > ABBOTT: Office. > > COSTELLO: Yeah, for my office. Can you recommend anything? > > ABBOTT: I just did. > > COSTELLO: You just did what? > > ABBOTT: Recommend something. > > COSTELLO: You recommended something? > > ABBOTT: Yes. > > COSTELLO: For my office? > > ABBOTT: Yes. > > COSTELLO: OK, what did you recommend for my office? > > ABBOTT: Office. > > COSTELLO: Yes, for my office! > > ABBOTT: I recommend Office with Windows. > > COSTELLO: I already have an office with windows! OK, let's > > just say I'm sitting at my computer and I want to type a > proposal What do I need? > > ABBOTT: Word. > > COSTELLO: What word? > > ABBOTT: Word in Office. > > COSTELLO: The only word in office is office. > > ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows. > > COSTELLO: Which word in office for windows? > > ABBOTT: The Word you get when you click the blue "W". > > COSTELLO: I'm going to click your blue "w" if you don't > start > > with some straight answers. What about financial > > bookkeeping? You have anything I can track my money with? > > > ABBOTT: Money. > > COSTELLO: That's right. What do you have? > > ABBOTT: Money. > > COSTELLO: I need money to track my money? > > ABBOTT: It comes bundled with your computer. > > COSTELLO: What's bundled with my computer? > > ABBOTT: Money. > > COSTELLO: Money comes with my computer? > > ABBOTT: Yes. No extra charge. > > COSTELLO: I get a bundle of money with my computer? How > much? > > ABBOTT: One copy. > > COSTELLO: Isn't it illegal to copy money? > > ABBOTT: Microsoft gave us a license to copy Money. > > COSTELLO: They can give you a license to copy money? > > ABBOTT: Why not? THEY OWN IT! > > > > A few days later: > > ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you? > > COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off? > > ABBOTT: Click on "STARTa From jfox204 at comcast.net Thu Feb 18 00:58:43 2010 From: jfox204 at comcast.net (James T. Fox, IV) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:58:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Send Jack another serving of Eggs, bacon, sausage and ham In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <187B5E81-3E47-4CF1-A38B-3CC3F4593E17@comcast.net> Hi, Brian, This is, actually, old news, especially, to the CrossFit crowd. The article itself seems to come from July 2002. In my own case, over a year ago I gave up caffeine. This is mostly significant because my caffeine delivery vehicle of choice was Pepsi, lots of Pepsi - 6 to 12 twelve ounce cans a day, easy. I had done this for well over 20 years. Since I am fairly active and tend to exercise more than most people. However, I could never quite lose the gut. I also fell into the CrossFit dietary regimen (usually called the Zone Diet). I don't follow it too well but kind of aim at it. Within four months of dropping the Pepsi, pasta, and cereals, and maintaining an exercise regimen, the gut was gone. I've slipped a bit over the last three months, not exercising and downing copious amounts of Wawa chocolate milk but I am confident that my recent return to those ways will do the trick. Unfortunately, this information is not pushed forward by the powers that be - as you point out. At the same time, if anyone is truly serious about getting in shape and losing weight, they would have a hard time not coming across this information fairly quickly. Jim Fox R100GS Kimberton/Phoenixville From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 01:16:46 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:16:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Send Jack another serving of Eggs, bacon, sausage and ham In-Reply-To: <187B5E81-3E47-4CF1-A38B-3CC3F4593E17@comcast.net> References: <187B5E81-3E47-4CF1-A38B-3CC3F4593E17@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 2/17/10, James T. Fox, IV wrote: > Unfortunately, this information is not pushed forward by the powers that be - as you point out. Egzackerly. At the same time, if anyone is truly serious about getting in shape and losing weight, they would have a hard time not coming across this information fairly quickly. However, getting your "health provider" on board can be a b.... since it is so contrary to what "everyone knows" since the PTB have promulgated the truth!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 01:52:52 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:52:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC7DA51E3C05DF-A9D0-B4EF@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7DA51E3C05DF-A9D0-B4EF@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B7C9D74.3050704@argolis.org> Tom Cutter wrote: > I could answer that better if I knew what the F*** it was. But it does > have a connector port that says "Expansion Port 2." Regardless, the > SATA enclosue I bought (for a whopping $12) has a USB connection. > > I really don't care that much about speed or about how fast it will > image. I can just start it and go do something silly like fix > motorcycles or race them. True. It's moot, I looked up the model and I don't think it has one. It looks somewhat like a USB port, but says 'esata' next to it. :) It's actually close in size, Beth's laptop as a combo esata/USB port on her laptop, which can function as either. From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 01:53:49 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:53:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Motorcycle Evdents Break Winter Dodrums... Dick and I are There In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7C9DAD.2040309@argolis.org> Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: > > Saturday was an "open house" up at Hermy's. Dick Bregstein and I were > there. A full report with pictures can be found at: > http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/breaking-free-of-winter-doldrums.html > Huh, nothing about Nehru clothing at all. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 02:28:19 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:28:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. Message-ID: This has it, but short and fuzzy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0eHWOVjDSw (WS version) This has the full version of it, and it is sharper. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=267_1265737788 (However, the surrounding is likely NWS.) The "yellow shirt" was aware. The "red shirts" not so much. :(:( Lot of stored energy there when that cable snaps. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From Doug at pencader.com Thu Feb 18 02:54:06 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:54:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Carving up the ice; Take II Message-ID: <03a801cab045$a53de750$efb9b5f0$@com> Gang, Here's an alternative video for that anemic one submitted earlier in the week where the "ice rider" showed his "no lean" technique on the ice . . . heck, even Jack looks like a virtual knee-dragger by comparison! . . . check it out; http://www.youtube.com/user/MAXBMWNH#p/a/u/2/roTy9oK1hP4 Best to all, Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE From motoedde2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 05:45:22 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:45:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: <4B7C9D74.3050704@argolis.org> References: <8CC7DA51E3C05DF-A9D0-B4EF@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> <4B7C9D74.3050704@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > True. ?It's moot, I looked up the model and I don't think it has one. It > looks somewhat like a USB port, but says 'esata' next to it. :) ?It's > actually close in size, Beth's laptop as a combo esata/USB port on her > laptop, which can function as either. Is that a Thinkpad? Some of the Thinkpad's from last year were offering that combo...pretty sweet! -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 18 11:33:06 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:33:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Two Words Message-ID: <4B7CDF22.4002.1AFF4CD@localhost> I called Montgomeryville Cycle Center last night at 4:47 and inquired about getting an inspection on the K100. He said "sure" if I could get it there by 5:00, I could get it done. Cool. I hopped on the bike and got there at 5:00 sharp. Turns out owner Bob Jones was working the service desk. Bob sold me the K100 and sidecar 24 years ago. We reminisced a bit about the bike and all the changes he has been through. Bob said his business is down 50%, but he is doing OK. Many of the old time employees are still there. He has cut prices at the service department (inspection $20) and offers free pick up and delivery within 15 miles. He is pumped about getting BMW. He has ~6 on the floor. BMW still has a few hurdles for him to jump before he is an "official" dealer, but all the loose ends should be tied up next week. It has been 10 years since he has had BMWs on the floor. One of those bikes was the SS1000R. That is one amazing machine. It is as serious as a heart attack. One amazing piece of engineering. It is designed to be on the track. Oh yeah, those tow words... DEMO BIKE. (once the salt is off the roads) Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From darkside at ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 18 12:13:26 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:13:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World Message-ID: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> near malaga spain? i'm going to be in that area in less than two months for a mc ride, but i dont suspect i will get a chance to do that. and i'm not sure i would even if i did have the time, although i will have medical evacuation insurance "so i got that going for me" peace eric -----Original Message----- >From: Chris >Sent: Feb 17, 2010 2:44 PM >To: mac-Pac >Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World > >Chris wrote: >> It's probably been around before, but we were talking about it today >> while trading stocks and so I figure why not post it..... >> >> The fact that the person filming just walks without protection is what >> makes me think he is a bit nuts. >> >> http://www.break.com/index/scariest-hiking-trail-in-world.html >> . > > >Original video...better quality here............ >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDhRvvs5Xw > >Chris Jaccarino >_______________________________________________ >Mac-pac-l mailing list >Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From mrmevans at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 12:48:15 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:48:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World In-Reply-To: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002180448y8298689xd5c62a498c045578@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Darkside wrote: > near malaga spain? ?i'm going to be in that area in less > than two months for a mc ride, but i dont suspect i will > get a chance to do that. ?and i'm not sure i would even > if i did have the time, although i will have medical > evacuation insurance "so i got that going for me" > > peace > eric > FYI - the trail is officially closed and it is now considerd illegal to trespass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caminito_del_Rey -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 12:54:19 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:54:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Solid State Hard Drive Cheap!!!! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7DA51E3C05DF-A9D0-B4EF@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> <4B7C9D74.3050704@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B7D387B.6030206@argolis.org> edde m wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > > > >> True. It's moot, I looked up the model and I don't think it has one. It >> looks somewhat like a USB port, but says 'esata' next to it. :) It's >> actually close in size, Beth's laptop as a combo esata/USB port on her >> laptop, which can function as either. > > Is that a Thinkpad? Some of the Thinkpad's from last year were > offering that combo...pretty sweet! > > HP dv6t. Fairly new, not too expensive. Nice enough laptop, just wish it had a pointing stick; I hate touchpads. From darkside at ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 18 12:56:24 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:56:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Send Jack another serving of Eggs, bacon, sausage and ham Message-ID: <7764400.1266497784579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> oh to disagree... kind of. i go more with the 'what works for you' line. personally, i live off of carbs with most of my protein having to come from suppliments when in my peak bicycle shape a few years ago, (that would be when i was pedaling 150 miles a week, and went about 180lbs at 6'1") i was truely living off of brown rice, vegies, and fruit. (oh, and BEER!) if the high protein/low carb thing works for you, and i have friends for which it has, then great. but i suspect that there is no one way that works best for all. i believe you hunt and peck till you find what works for you. if what your doing isnt working, try something else. peace y'all eric -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Curry >Sent: Feb 17, 2010 8:16 PM >To: "James T. Fox, IV" >Cc: Mac-Pac >Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Send Jack another serving of Eggs, bacon, sausage and ham > >On 2/17/10, James T. Fox, IV wrote: >> Unfortunately, this information is not pushed forward by the powers that be - as you point out. > >Egzackerly. > > At the same time, if anyone is truly serious about getting in shape >and losing weight, they would have a hard time not coming across this >information fairly quickly. > >However, getting your "health provider" on board can be a b.... since >it is so contrary to what "everyone knows" since the PTB have >promulgated the truth!!! > > > >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ambassador BMW MOA | >Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? >"DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped >K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at >Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com >_______________________________________________ >Mac-pac-l mailing list >Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 13:04:28 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:04:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Carving up the ice; Take II In-Reply-To: <03a801cab045$a53de750$efb9b5f0$@com> References: <03a801cab045$a53de750$efb9b5f0$@com> Message-ID: <4B7D3ADC.2040004@argolis.org> Doug wrote: > Gang, > > Here's an alternative video for that anemic one submitted earlier in the > week where the "ice rider" showed his "no lean" technique on the ice . . . > heck, even Jack looks like a virtual knee-dragger by comparison! . . . check > it out; > > http://www.youtube.com/user/MAXBMWNH#p/a/u/2/roTy9oK1hP4 I wonder if BMW has an 'ice' setting. From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 13:07:56 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:07:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER!!!! In-Reply-To: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4B7D3BAC.5080301@argolis.org> Ken Bruce wrote: > Meine Damen und Herren, > > Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare > for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a > "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will > convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, > purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm > Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. > Ken, I'm a maybe. I have a lot going on next week. From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 13:07:06 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:07:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7D3B7A.2070508@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > This has it, but short and fuzzy: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0eHWOVjDSw > (WS version) > > This has the full version of it, and it is sharper. > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=267_1265737788 > (However, the surrounding is likely NWS.) > > The "yellow shirt" was aware. The "red shirts" not so much. :(:( > Lot of stored energy there when that cable snaps. > Interesting. I though procedure was to go full throttle as soon as the cable grabs so the plane wouldn't go into the drink in just this scenario. Wouldn't help those on the deck, but the airframe could have been salvaged. From jasiii at earthlink.net Thu Feb 18 13:26:36 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:26:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. Message-ID: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> >> The "yellow shirt" was aware. The "red shirts" not so much. :(:( >> Lot of stored energy there when that cable snaps. >> > >Interesting. I though procedure was to go full throttle as soon as the >cable grabs so the plane wouldn't go into the drink in just this >scenario. Wouldn't help those on the deck, but the airframe could have >been salvaged. Yes, the throttles are full on at the time of the catch.. which was done but during the stopping or slowing down is when the cable broke and at that point there was not enough energy or speed for the plane to re-fly.. good by $30 to $50 million and maybe one or two people, the green shirt who got hit was just a lump on the deck.. Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 18 13:29:28 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:29:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002180448y8298689xd5c62a498c045578@mail.gmail.com> References: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8296f6de1002180448y8298689xd5c62a498c045578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7D40B8.6090800@ptd.net> Michael Evans wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Darkside wrote: > >> near malaga spain? i'm going to be in that area in less >> than two months for a mc ride, but i dont suspect i will >> get a chance to do that. and i'm not sure i would even >> if i did have the time, although i will have medical >> evacuation insurance "so i got that going for me" >> >> peace >> eric >> >> > > FYI - the trail is officially closed and it is now considerd illegal > to trespass. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caminito_del_Rey > > Nothing is illegal unless you get caught! Chris Jaccarino From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 13:30:57 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:30:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. In-Reply-To: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B7D4111.7030705@argolis.org> Jim Sterling wrote: >> Interesting. I though procedure was to go full throttle as soon as the >> cable grabs so the plane wouldn't go into the drink in just this >> scenario. Wouldn't help those on the deck, but the airframe could have >> been salvaged. > > Yes, the throttles are full on at the time of the catch.. which was done > but during the stopping or slowing down is when the cable broke and at that > point there was not enough energy or speed for the plane to re-fly.. Duh, that makes sense; it's early. :) From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 18 13:41:45 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:41:45 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. In-Reply-To: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.n et> References: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <56220.12.181.211.35.1266500505.squirrel@12.181.211.35> >>> >>> The "yellow shirt" was aware. The "red shirts" not so much. :(:( >>> Lot of stored energy there when that cable snaps. >>> >> >>Interesting. I though procedure was to go full throttle as soon as the >>cable grabs so the plane wouldn't go into the drink in just this >>scenario. Wouldn't help those on the deck, but the airframe could have >>been salvaged. > > Yes, the throttles are full on at the time of the catch.. which was done > but during the stopping or slowing down is when the cable broke and at > that > point there was not enough energy or speed for the plane to re-fly.. > Yep. Full throttle is in case you miss the wire. In this case the wire broke after slowing the plane a bit. That bit was too much. The pilot did the right thing by bailing. > good by $30 to $50 million and maybe one or two people, the green shirt > who got > hit was just a lump on the deck.. > Stretched cables store a lot of energy. A couple of years ago someone rolled a minivan in front of the house. When the rescue crew rolled it back they made everyone stand behind the van so a snapped cable would not get them. A while back I read about a church picnic where they had a tug of war with several hundred people. The rope broke and injured lots of people really bad. Respect stretched cables. Ride Safe, Joe From ephoet at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 14:18:53 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:18:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW "persona" Message-ID: With the newest version 3.60 version of FireFox comes the ability to add a custom "persona" to your FF frame. There are several MC offerings, but no BMW ones that I could find. http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/ One of you digitally creative types could create & upload one, though! Most MC personas are under the Sports category http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/Sports Their search function is a bit lame, entering "BMW" gets no results, despite there being several BMW car personas on the site. There are Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki etc personas to choose from, but you will have to browse through the 91+ pages of the sports category. Plus 35,000 others Just passing that along. Erik H West Chester From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 18 14:53:51 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:53:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. In-Reply-To: <56220.12.181.211.35.1266500505.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <56220.12.181.211.35.1266500505.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <4B7D547F.4000205@argolis.org> Joe Dille wrote: > Stretched cables store a lot of energy. A couple of years ago someone > rolled a minivan in front of the house. When the rescue crew rolled it > back they made everyone stand behind the van so a snapped cable would not > get them. A while back I read about a church picnic where they had a tug > of war with several hundred people. The rope broke and injured lots of > people really bad. Respect stretched cables. There's a Mythbusters segment on this somewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_%282006_season%29#Killer_Cable_Slice From kgbruce at verizon.net Thu Feb 18 15:03:50 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:03:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! Message-ID: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Meine Damen und Herren, Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. Ahh, I can hear the accordion music now...can't you just taste the authentic Rauchfleisch and smell the Schweinepfeffer wafting through the rarified Bavarian air? Otto's menu has something for everyone from Wiener Schnitzel, to chicken cheesesteaks. Even the most discerning palate can find something to love at Otto's. One might ask..."Does Otto's have beer?" One might ask that but one would look like a DUMBKOFF! Does Otto's have beer?....Can Rolly play the guitar??? OF COURSE!! VAT EES GEHMUN FOOD VEETOUT BEEYAH?!? It would be like Raymond without a breakdown, Cutter without a clever comment, Sestrich without a sling, Christman without a camera, Rinda with no Lick, Lyba with no Bush, Jack with no Dick..... So, (deutsche)mark you calendars for Wednesday, February 24th @ 6:30 for the RIDERS' DINNER and enjoy (tolerate) the companionship of your fellow riders. If you can, let me know ahead of time so I can give the restaurant a count. If you don't know 'til the last minute, just show up. If the weather sucks, cage it...if the roads are clear (which may happen somewhere around Easter).....do whatever you want just BE THERE!! Eets not dat deefeekult. Get yo ahss to za ridazz deenah!! Ken Bruce From mrmevans at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 16:07:49 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:07:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World In-Reply-To: <4B7D40B8.6090800@ptd.net> References: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8296f6de1002180448y8298689xd5c62a498c045578@mail.gmail.com> <4B7D40B8.6090800@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002180807j7ba8adf0y717d18dbd6048335@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Chris wrote: > > Nothing is illegal unless you get caught! > > > Chris Jaccarino > ...so said the Wall Street bankers, Bernie Madoff, etc. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 18 16:13:44 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:13:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. In-Reply-To: <4B7D547F.4000205@argolis.org> References: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net><56220.12.181.211.35.1266500505.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B7D547F.4000205@argolis.org> Message-ID: <8CC7ECC7A69DEF0-1B64-1BE@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> <> Mythbusters wasted a perfectly good pig. I was standing in he control house on the afterdeck of the Weeks 500 dredge in Newark Bay one chilly February morning in 1988, when the First Mate tried to relocate the dredge. The dredge is located by four anchors arrayed diagonally off the four corners of the dredge, each connected to an individually-controllable winch. The cables we had were 3.5" diameter Wire Rope. The motor powering those deck winches was a Caterpillar 671 diesel. There was a s**tload of power available to pull the dredge ahead (backward, actually, since the digging is always done off the trailing edge which is the bow (weird, I know.) Anyway, the Mate forgot to slack off the forward anchor cables before tensioning the aft cables. He was watching our position on the shore-mounted lasers, which we used for pinpoint positioning. He could not see the laser, as they are not visible until you are staring right down the barrel, so to speak. So he was staring at the shore and pulling the levers to pull the cables to shift the dredge. All good, except the entire dredge was getting pulled DOWN into the water deeper and deeper until the deck began to flood at the bow. (The bow anchors were deeper because they sit on already-dredged bottom) The tension on those cables, which snake around the deck via conduits and eyelets, was too much. One cable parted right at the drum guide eye, and a 15-20' section whipped across the deck like a pissed-off cobra. First victim was a 55-gallon steel drum that we used to burn trash. That got caved in, inverted and flipped off the deck spewing a trail of fire and sparks. next was a deck hand. He heard the snap and had enough experience to know that a cable was coming. He stepped behind a bollard as the cable reached him, but it still crushed his foot inside a reinforced boot. The next deck hand was not so lucky. He lost his life instantly, as the tail end of the cable struck him mid-thigh and up across his lower abdomen. I don't think I'll ever forget that image. I was up in the deckhouse, about 6' off the deck and protected by steel and mesh. The returning cable clanged off the bottom of the deckhouse like a truckload of Pepsi cans hitting a steel wall. Less than ten days later I saw two other guys killed on that job, and I decided that motorcycling was safer. What I can't figure out is why Brian posts this stuff on this list. Jill, can you shed some light on that? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:41:36 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:41:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Al Gore may have to find a real job.... In-Reply-To: <8CC7DADBC847259-30C8-163BE@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> References: <1ce7d.39094e4e.38acaac3@aol.com> <8CC7DADBC847259-30C8-163BE@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > < of ice.>> > > The only thing that might save us is if the oceanic streams are badly > disrupted and the icy water circulation is stalled. The krill fiid > chain will disappear as will the bears and seals. > > Tom Cutter Thanks for the tip. I've gotta run out to Whole Foods and stock up on krill oil before the panic you've induced depletes their supplies. I hope Dr. Mercola at least has his bike services at RCRG. http://krilloil.mercola.com/krill-oil.html?aid=cd94 BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:47:45 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:47:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this attitude occur in the US of A? In-Reply-To: <8CC7DE38D47DE87-3698-D2B5@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7DE38D47DE87-3698-D2B5@webmail-d025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Tom Cutter wrote: > < > John Burkhauser > jaburke4 at aol.com >> > > Maybe the world remembes that the last time a forein power attacked tue > USA, we nuked them? > > That would serve as a deterrent, more than popguns under the schnitzel > tray. > > Tom Cutter > Yardley, PA > http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com > I agree. It's a good thing my hand is in my pants instead of on "the trigger." -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 12:52:52 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:52:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moto related - Subydoo - For the impending Revolution Message-ID: The only issue is you need a Subydoo, a hilltop cabin, and a machine gun, lots of ammo, water, and a year's worth of freeze dried food. http://www.gizmag.com/russian-strap-on-tank/14194/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=4a906bd4b8-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:29:25 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:29:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER!!!! In-Reply-To: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Ken Bruce wrote: > > Meine Damen und Herren, > (SNIP) So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will > convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus (SNIP) Dick wird es mit Schellen an werden - eine interessante visuelle. -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 15:56:51 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:56:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: NSFW In-Reply-To: References: <4B7C0DE3.4060405@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Jack Riepe wrote:> Dear Chris: > > There is someone on the list named "Prick." > > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack Dear Jack: You never could keep a secret. Now everyone knows that's your nom-de-plume. -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 18:05:08 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:05:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] very cool; only slightly OT In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801002170713m423b9bbdwaeafe7dc1562ebef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Erik Hoet wrote: (SNIP) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cyf3qUnAkM They tell me I did something similar with my BMW F800ST, -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 02:25:16 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:25:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Motorcycle Evdents Break Winter Dodrums... Dick and I are There In-Reply-To: <4B7C9DAD.2040309@argolis.org> References: <4B7C9DAD.2040309@argolis.org> Message-ID: It's not over til it's over orntil Kate Smith sings. On 2/17/10, Matt Piechota wrote: > Jack Riepe wrote: >> Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: >> >> Saturday was an "open house" up at Hermy's. Dick Bregstein and I were >> there. A full report with pictures can be found at: >> http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/breaking-free-of-winter-doldrums.html >> > > Huh, nothing about Nehru clothing at all. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Sent from my mobile device BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:02:27 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:02:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002180448y8298689xd5c62a498c045578@mail.gmail.com> References: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8296f6de1002180448y8298689xd5c62a498c045578@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Drat! I was practicing my Spanish and planning a motorcycle trip there. Now I'll have to substitute a Jersey City ride with Cannonball Jack. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Michael Evans wrote: > FYI - the trail is officially closed and it is now considerd illegal > to trespass. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caminito_del_Rey > > -- > Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA > _______________________________________________ From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 17:47:24 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:47:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. In-Reply-To: <8CC7ECC7A69DEF0-1B64-1BE@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> References: <23495467.1266499596552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <56220.12.181.211.35.1266500505.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B7D547F.4000205@argolis.org> <8CC7ECC7A69DEF0-1B64-1BE@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/18/10, Tom Cutter wrote: > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_%282006_season%29#Killer_Cable_Slice>> > > Mythbusters wasted a perfectly good pig. Yes. Cause they did not pull the cable to failure when the stored energy is at the max level. What I can't figure out is why Brian posts this stuff on this list. > Jill, can you shed some light on that? Blame list members that send me video's that I find an online source for, so that it is not forced down everyone's throat. I also Bcc'd a buy who was part of the deck crew on a carrier. He is ALWAYS good for amazing stories. His response: ==================== We had a wire break one night on the America. I stood there and checked to see that I still had two legs and arms. It was a freak break. The CDP broke at the same time the purchase cable broke below decks. Breaking in two places at once relieved the energy. The deck of the arresting gear engine room was covered with wire. The crew of the F-14 punched out and were recovered. No one was injured. Theoretically, breaking in two places at once shouldn't happen. We were very, very lucky. ================ Yes, and two simultaneous failures in one line is TOUGH to do. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From darkside at ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 18 18:23:07 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:23:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: It is not good when the landing cable on the aircraft carrier deck snaps. Message-ID: <9246761.1266517387377.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: Brian Curry > >I also Bcc'd a buy ya know, somehow that just sounds dirty. heh heh, he said buy. peace eric From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 19:52:30 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:52:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World In-Reply-To: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25578616.1266495206324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Darkside wrote: > near malaga spain? ?i'm going to be in that area in less > than two months for a mc ride,.... I'll be going to Malaga for my nephew's wedding on July 16. Unfortunately that means I will miss the MOA Rally in Oregon. I spent a few weeks brooding about the choice but finally decided to go with the nephew today. I may be wandering on the Scary Trail, wondering what's happening in Redmond... -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From ephoet at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 21:33:21 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:33:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT:Could this atitude occur in the U. S. of A? In-Reply-To: References: <4DAB7A55-32D8-4B73-9E82-AA5963EFD754@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/14/10, John Burkhauser wrote: >> http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/754.html >> > > It is about the ABILITY to have a choice. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks like Swiss animals may soon have their choice of legal representation. - EPH http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/world/20100218_ap_legaleaglesswisstovoteonlawyersforanimals.html Legal eagles? Swiss to vote on lawyers for animals (Swiss) Voters will decide in a March 7 poll whether every canton (state) should be required to appoint an animal lawyer to represent the interests of pets and farm animals in court , in effect a dedicated public prosecutor for dogs, cats and other vertebrates that have been abused by humans. From ladyvol at fastmail.fm Thu Feb 18 21:40:04 2010 From: ladyvol at fastmail.fm (Jill McCarley) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:40:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW "persona" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1266529204.1804.1360720609@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:18 -0500, "Erik Hoet" wrote: > With the newest version 3.60 version of FireFox comes the ability to > add a custom "persona" to your FF frame. > > There are several MC offerings, but no BMW ones that I could find. > > http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/ > > One of you digitally creative types could create & upload one, though! > > Most MC personas are under the Sports category > http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/Sports > > Their search function is a bit lame, entering "BMW" gets no results, > despite there being several BMW car personas on the site. > > There are Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki etc personas to choose from, but you > will have to browse through the 91+ pages of the sports category. > Plus 35,000 others > > Just passing that along. > It would be seriously groovy to have an "adventure motorcycling" one, which would have a broader appeal, maybe than just straight up BMW. Hmmmm.... Jill ---------------------------- '90 R100GS '06 K1200 R "The Screaming Meanie" Jill McCarley, MD Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Member, Ketchup Advisory Board "Psychiatry--turning neurotic misery into ordinary human unhappiness." From kdgregory at yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 23:33:51 2010 From: kdgregory at yahoo.com (Keith D Gregory) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Send Jack another serving of Eggs, bacon, sausage and ham In-Reply-To: <7764400.1266497784579.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <500659.95640.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Darkside wrote: > personally, i live off of carbs with most of my > protein having to come from suppliments? > > when in my peak bicycle shape a few years ago, > (that would be when i was pedaling 150 miles a > week, and went about 180lbs at 6'1") > i was truely living off of brown rice, vegies, > and fruit. (oh, and BEER!) Sounds like a pretty reasonable low-glycemic-index diet. White rice, on the other hand, not so much. And fruit doesn't contain the high-fructose corn syrup of, say, Capri Sun (although neither does real orange juice). (note that these comparisons of white and brown rice are for cooked servings; most of the serving weight is water): http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5707/2 http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5714/2 From daviddenesowicz at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 01:21:54 2010 From: daviddenesowicz at gmail.com (David Denesowicz) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:21:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fwd: MC new videos link for motorcycles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beware!! Message-ID: <18764d421002181721m639335efn5aa488d9e9156606@mail.gmail.com> Methinks this link has a bad virus!!!!!!!!!! Beware!!!!!!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Roberts LeBoutillier Date: Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:38 PM Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC new videos link for motorcycles To: MAC-PAC List this claims to be new http://www.throttlehand.com/user/pages/indexHome.php?page=../home/home.php -- Bobby LeBoutillier _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l -- David Denesowicz Box 212 Malvern, PA 19355 215-850-7061 daviddenesowicz at gmail.com '79 R100/7 "You have to go out, you don't have to come back" From jack.riepe at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 03:28:25 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:28:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Warning... Letters from Several of My Blog Readers May Not Be Work Safe. Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Coleagues: Some of you have been asking me, "How come you never published that letter I sent to Twisted Roads? No balls, eh Lard Ass?" Several of those letters were published in my blog today, with sound technical research and profound thought in every answer. I screened a lot of these letters in the past, toning down some of the invective and rhetoric that some readers and contributers use for emphasis. But this sometimes changes the context of critical pieces, and I have decided to print these letters just as they are sent. I have since been informed that some of this material may no longer be work safe. You must now use your judgement in wading through the truth. Tonight's blog can be found at: http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/dispatches-from-front-stuff-left-out.html Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From antifreeze at earthlink.net Fri Feb 19 05:23:36 2010 From: antifreeze at earthlink.net (antifreeze at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:23:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World Message-ID: <14629433.1266557016722.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World > >It's probably been around before, but we were talking about it today >while trading stocks and so I figure why not post it..... > >The fact that the person filming just walks without protection is what >makes me think he is a bit nuts. > >http://www.break.com/index/scariest-hiking-trail-in-world.html > >Chris Jaccarino -----Original Message----- >From: Chris >Sent: Feb 17, 2010 2:02 PM >To: mac-Pac >Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World > >It's probably been around before, but we were talking about it today >while trading stocks and so I figure why not post it..... > >The fact that the person filming just walks without protection is what >makes me think he is a bit nuts. > >http://www.break.com/index/scariest-hiking-trail-in-world.html > >Chris Jaccarino Chris, This is unbelievable! My favorite part is when he casually tight-rope-walks the metal rails that used to support the missing concrete. I won't be walking this trail, but thanks for passing it on. Regards, Gary Lowe Phila I think I still have a few bikes in the garage, but I haven't seen them in a while. From jack.riepe at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 11:57:07 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:57:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Scariest Hiking Trail In World In-Reply-To: <4B7C3D61.2040101@ptd.net> References: <4B7C3D61.2040101@ptd.net> Message-ID: I will never forget the thrill I experienced when I hiked this stretch. The view was amazing. I was with nine guys, each carrying a kilo of something. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Fri Feb 19 12:29:44 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:29:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3B80946A5FB44F978EB87A80ABE2FC6F@home.robinson.org> I'll be there with guest so put me down for 2. Jim Robinson West Chester PA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/7122a258/attachment.html From stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net Fri Feb 19 12:46:02 2010 From: stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net (stude_bmw_bill at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:46:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER!!!! Message-ID: <4892276.61547.1266583562477.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> Feb 17, 2010 08:40:04 AM, kgbruce at verizon.net wrote: Meine Damen und Herren, Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. [snip, snip] If you can, let me know ahead of time so I can give the restaurant a count. If you don't know 'til the last minute, just show up. Ken Bruce Sounds good to me; add one more to the head count. I'm only ten minutes away, in Warminster! _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 19 13:52:36 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:52:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! In-Reply-To: <3B80946A5FB44F978EB87A80ABE2FC6F@home.robinson.org> References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> <3B80946A5FB44F978EB87A80ABE2FC6F@home.robinson.org> Message-ID: <4B7E97A4.5020502@ptd.net> Jim Robinson wrote: > I'll be there with guest so put me down for 2. > The new house is bringing out the ladies or is your maid coming? Chris Jaccarino From 321design at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 13:58:12 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:58:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. I said the Mac Pac would be the place to get his questions answered. He did look at the bike and it seemed clean (small scratch from a slow fall). So please offer your words of wisdom (yes, he is an ME): >From Kyle: I?m about 6? 200lbs. Haven?t ridden a road bike before. I would probably use it the most on back roads getting to work but also would probably take 2-4 hour trips as well. Also planning a trip to Montreal (from Reading) in June. A few questions I had about this Dakar 650 GS http://reading.craigslist.org/mcy/1578205577.html Comes with Side & top cases, tank bag, center stand. 1. 650 enough for comfortable highway riding? 2. Difference between Dakar and regular version 3. Does a 650 Struggle with lots of gear 4. Is $4200 a good price? 5. Known problems? 6. Comparison to a V-Strom 650? P.S. the guy selling the 650 is also selling an 1150 http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/1578016191.html -Kyle -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/5b4987fb/attachment.html From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:27:43 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:27:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! In-Reply-To: <4B7E97A4.5020502@ptd.net> References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> <3B80946A5FB44F978EB87A80ABE2FC6F@home.robinson.org> <4B7E97A4.5020502@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Chris wrote: > Jim Robinson wrote: >> I'll be there with guest so put me down for 2. >> > > > The new house is bringing out the ladies or is your maid coming? > > Chris Jaccarino > _______________________________________________ Jim's turn to bring the goat. That would be 2, no? Erik H Just helping out a friend........ From rtill6 at aol.com Fri Feb 19 14:35:31 2010 From: rtill6 at aol.com (rtill6 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:35:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC7F87EC311433-2478-2E59@webmail-m063.sysops.aol.com> Rob & Kyle FYI Montreal is an 8 to 9 hour CAR ride using major highways. Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> To: Mac-Pac Cc: Ksmason71 at gmail.com Sent: Fri, Feb 19, 2010 8:58 am Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. I said the Mac Pac would be the place to get his questions answered. He did look at the bike and it seemed clean (small scratch from a slow fall). So please offer your words of wisdom (yes, he is an ME): >From Kyle: I?m about 6? 200lbs. Haven?t ridden a road bike before. I would probably use it the most on back roads getting to work but also would probably take 2-4 hour trips as well. Also planning a trip to Montreal (from Reading) in June. A few questions I had about this Dakar 650 GS http://reading.craigslist.org/mcy/1578205577.html Comes with Side & top cases, tank bag, center stand. 1. 650 enough for comfortable highway riding? 2. Difference between Dakar and regular version 3. Does a 650 Struggle with lots of gear 4. Is $4200 a good price? 5. Known problems? 6. Comparison to a V-Strom 650? P.S. the guy selling the 650 is also selling an 1150 http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/1578016191.html -Kyle -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/5b4987fb/attachment.html _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From mmehalik at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:35:59 2010 From: mmehalik at gmail.com (Mark Mehalik) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:35:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: So. My F650CS was my first bike. I am (or was) heavier than kyle. It's top speed was about 106(by gearing), tucked, with feet on the rear pegs. Which was way more than enough for me while learning. It was fine with 20 or so lbs of gear, and also fine on long trips. I'd highly recommend factory bags, it's a real art to tie bags on otherwise. As everyone on the list knows, I still have it, and still enjoy riding it. Especially when I acid bathe my K. I think single 650's might be the best starter bike one could ever get. For the record, and so no one has to fill in, the engine in my F650CS is the same single cylinder rotax used in every Fi F650 of it's time (cs, gs, dakar), there have been 3 variations during it's life: a carbed twinspark(no really, 2 plugs), and Fi(mine) and an Fi twinspark, in that order(the newest 'F650' is a gimped 800cc twin, and thusly doesn't count in this case). All of the Fi ones put out 50hp and somewhere around 50ft/lbs of torque, I think the carbed ones are only slightly lower, but share roughly the same torque to hp ratio. The only complaint I have about my F is that with a backpack on, the otherwise awesomely comfy seating position encourages the pack to pull my ribs our of my sternum, slowly, and very very painfully. This is easily solved with a pack that has a cross chest strap, and/or waist strap. 1. 650 enough for comfortable highway riding? Yup. 2. Difference between Dakar and regular version (I think) The dakar is a bit higher than the GS, and comes with knobbier tires stock. I'd expect the suspension is different as it's built for more off road than on. The CS that I reference isn't related other than engine. 3. Does a 650 Struggle with lots of gear Nope, at explained above. Oh, and the last time I did a multihour trip (6h) I was ~225lbs myself and had gear as well. 4. Is $4200 a good price? kbb.com, though I'd guess it is pretty good. 5. Known problems? f650.com has an extensive list of maladies and fixes. It will seem worse than it is as most are trivial, or uncommon. I've heard the engine is pretty much bulletproof. I have run mine at redline for dozens of miles at a time, I've never had any serious issues at all. I can't comment on much more since the dakar is very different in frame and function from the CS. 6. Comparison to a V-Strom 650? Tough one, I don't know much about them, but they are much loved as well, others here can speak to their merit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/1e54de8b/attachment.html From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:37:49 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:37:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Who Needs a Cheap Laptop? Message-ID: Not a bad deal... http://www.woot.com/ -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:49:51 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:49:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. I said the Mac Pac would be > the place to get his questions answered. He did look at the bike and it > seemed clean (small scratch from a slow fall). So please offer your words of > wisdom (yes, he is an ME): > > > > > >From Kyle: > > I?m about 6? 200lbs. Haven?t ridden a road bike before. I would probably use > it the most on back roads getting to work but also would probably take 2-4 > hour trips as well. Also planning a trip to Montreal (from Reading) in June. > I would consider a two step process. Buy a 250 Ninja for 1-2k off of CL they're dead simple to work on...and parts are cheap. Their riding position is pretty good for a beginner and also pretty indestructible bikes. He should put on about 1000 miles on that thing before he moves to a 650. Dropping the 250 Ninja won't lower its resale value much... Once he gets some miles under his belt...then the 650 option is a good one. I think he'd get more value from a V-strom than the BMW. Since their initial purchase price was always lower than a BMW, their resale value for a similar year will be lower as they both hold their value well. The BMW's high maintenance parts aren't cheap compared to a V-strom...check out the price of their oil filters, air filters, etc. When he looks to compare price make sure he looks at total cost of ownership...not just the purchase price of the bike. HTH edde PS...I spent about 15k miles on a Suzuki 125 dirt bike as my first bike...and I can't begin to tell you how much their is to learn on a smaller cc bike that will translate upwards! -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:53:19 2010 From: oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com (oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:53:19 +0000 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <71534904-1266591194-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-779514101-@bda384.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have the standard 650GS and have taken several long trips from Wayne,PA(circumnavigated lake Supirior) with luggage as well as two up (full size adults) with luggage to Watkins Glen. Plenty of power to cruise at excess of the posted limits and pass the trucks. These little engines are remarkable workhorses and the suspension smoothes the bumps while the sit up position allows a fine view of the sights. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:58:12 To: Mac-Pac Cc: Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. I said the Mac Pac would be the place to get his questions answered. He did look at the bike and it seemed clean (small scratch from a slow fall). So please offer your words of wisdom (yes, he is an ME): >From Kyle: I?m about 6? 200lbs. Haven?t ridden a road bike before. I would probably use it the most on back roads getting to work but also would probably take 2-4 hour trips as well. Also planning a trip to Montreal (from Reading) in June. A few questions I had about this Dakar 650 GS http://reading.craigslist.org/mcy/1578205577.html Comes with Side & top cases, tank bag, center stand. 1. 650 enough for comfortable highway riding? 2. Difference between Dakar and regular version 3. Does a 650 Struggle with lots of gear 4. Is $4200 a good price? 5. Known problems? 6. Comparison to a V-Strom 650? P.S. the guy selling the 650 is also selling an 1150 http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/1578016191.html -Kyle -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/5b4987fb/attachment.html _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From 321design at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 15:04:25 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:04:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002190704s143bbc18oe12932310d2132e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:49 AM, edde m wrote: > > > I would consider a two step process. Buy a 250 Ninja for 1-2k off of > CL they're dead simple to work on...and parts are cheap. Their riding > position is pretty good for a beginner and also pretty indestructible > bikes. He should put on about 1000 miles on that thing before he > moves to a 650. Dropping the 250 Ninja won't lower its resale value > much... > Kyle has been riding his YZ 250 through lots of mud this past year so I wouldn't consider him a total beginner; he did take and pass with flying colors the Riders Safety course. -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/16bbbb8e/attachment.html From jasiii at earthlink.net Fri Feb 19 15:07:28 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (James A. Sterling) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:07:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. I said the Mac Pac would be > the place to get his questions answered. He did look at the bike and it >> From Kyle: > > I?m about 6? 200lbs. Haven?t ridden a road bike before. I would probably use > it the most on back roads getting to work but also would probably take 2-4 > hour trips as well. Also planning a trip to Montreal (from Reading) in June. > > A few questions I had about this Dakar 650 GS > http://reading.craigslist.org/mcy/1578205577.html Comes with Side & top > cases, tank bag, center stand. > > 1. 650 enough for comfortable highway riding? > > 2. Difference between Dakar and regular version > > 3. Does a 650 Struggle with lots of gear > First take the MSF course... (New Rider) Second take the MSF course (New Rider) Third the 650 is really an 800 CC bike.. Yes it is big enough Differences between Dakar and "normal" is the ground clearance and body work Struggles at speed.. There is a weight limit from BMW.. Try to stay close Properly mounted side bags (key words properly mounted) cost a bit but work better... Price.. That is always subjective.. Have Tom or any other BMW shop check the bike over.. Swing arms, steering head bearings, chain wear just to cover the "surprises" with any used bike.. Last take the MSF course.. Before you spend the money.. (New Rider) Hope this helps Jim From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 15:19:17 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:19:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190704s143bbc18oe12932310d2132e@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002190704s143bbc18oe12932310d2132e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:49 AM, edde m wrote: >> >> >> I would consider a two step process. ?Buy a 250 Ninja for 1-2k off of >> CL they're dead simple to work on...and parts are cheap. ?Their riding >> position is pretty good for a beginner and also pretty indestructible >> bikes. ?He should put on about 1000 miles on that thing before he >> moves to ?a 650. ?Dropping the 250 Ninja won't lower its resale value >> much... > > > Kyle has been riding his YZ 250 through lots of mud this past year so I > wouldn't consider him a total beginner; he did take and pass with flying > colors the Riders Safety course. OK...good. I didn't see either mentioned in the original post so I presumed total beginner for safety sake. A couple of my good friends have owned both( 650 BMW and V-Strom)...and I've helped them work on both. One of my friends originally had a 650 BMW and picked up a Vstrom afterwards. I'd take the 650CS over either...just because of the belt drive and minimal need to fuss with the chain and tubeless tires! But between the chain driven BMW and V-strom...V-strom. Because you can use tubeless tires with the V-strom. And if you change tires yourself...tubeless are easier to deal with...with the right tire irons. edde -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From motorcycletombb at yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 15:36:41 2010 From: motorcycletombb at yahoo.com (Thomas Kramer) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:36:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92037.43264.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Anyone ?looking for a f-650 cs I have a 2003 for sale for $3800 low mileage ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Thanks Tom Kramer ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Mehalik To: Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> Cc: Ksmason71 at gmail.com; Mac-Pac Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 9:35:59 AM Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie So. My F650CS was my first bike. I am (or was) heavier than kyle. It's top speed was about 106(by gearing), tucked, with feet on the rear pegs. Which was way more than enough for me while learning. It was fine with 20 or so lbs of gear, and also fine on long trips. I'd highly recommend factory bags, it's a real art to tie bags on otherwise. As everyone on the list knows, I still have it, and still enjoy riding it. Especially when I acid bathe my K. I think single 650's might be the best starter bike one could ever get. For the record, and so no one has to fill in, the engine in my F650CS is the same single cylinder rotax used in every Fi F650 of it's time (cs, gs, dakar), there have been 3 variations during it's life: a carbed twinspark(no really, 2 plugs), and Fi(mine) and an Fi twinspark, in that order(the newest 'F650' is a gimped 800cc twin, and thusly doesn't count in this case). All of the Fi ones put out 50hp and somewhere around 50ft/lbs of torque, I think the carbed ones are only slightly lower, but share roughly the same torque to hp ratio. The only complaint I have about my F is that with a backpack on, the otherwise awesomely comfy seating position encourages the pack to pull my ribs our of my sternum, slowly, and very very painfully. This is easily solved with a pack that has a cross chest strap, and/or waist strap. 1.? ? ? 650 enough for comfortable highway riding? Yup. 2.? ? ? Difference between Dakar and regular version (I think) The dakar is a bit higher than the GS, and comes with knobbier tires stock. I'd expect the suspension is different as it's built for more off road than on. The CS that I reference isn't related other than engine. 3.? ? ? Does a 650 Struggle with lots of gear Nope, at explained above. Oh, and the last time I did a multihour trip (6h) I was ~225lbs myself and had gear as well. 4.? ? ? Is $4200 a good price? kbb.com, though I'd guess it is pretty good. 5.? ? ? Known problems? f650.com has an extensive list of maladies and fixes. It will seem worse than it is as most are trivial, or uncommon. I've heard the engine is pretty much bulletproof. I have run mine at redline for dozens of miles at a time, I've never had any serious issues at all. I can't comment on much more since the dakar is very different in frame and function from the CS. 6.? ? ? Comparison to a V-Strom 650? Tough one, I don't know much about them, but they are much loved as well, others here can speak to their merit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/1e54de8b/attachment.html _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 19 15:51:20 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <92037.43264.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, Here we are, talking about the suitability of a 650cc as a "starter" bike. How many people on this list are old... er... mature enough to remember not so long ago when... o A 125 was a starter bike o 600cc was considered a mid-size bike o The Honda 750 was a big bike o The Goldwing GL1000 (at around 80 hp) was excess, beyond need o 100 hp per liter was a significant accomplishment It's much more a matter of perspective, than what actually "is". -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 15:55:23 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:55:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <92037.43264.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Here we are, talking about the suitability of a 650cc as a "starter" bike. > How many people on this list are old... er... mature enough to remember not > so long ago when... > ?o A 125 was a starter bike > ?o 600cc was considered a mid-size bike > ?o The Honda 750 was a big bike > ?o The Goldwing GL1000 (at around 80 hp) was excess, beyond need > ?o 100 hp per liter was a significant accomplishment > > It's much more a matter of perspective, than what actually "is". You forgot one other thing... Any guy riding any of those, coming into the US from Canada didn't need to present a passport if he sported a mullet;) -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From bradjacoby at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 16:01:34 2010 From: bradjacoby at gmail.com (Brad Jacoby) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:01:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <80e3635e1002190801k7a44a382yca3d1c986637b381@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. Oh, just throw him on an S1000RR. A software upgrade is to provide two new settings for the electronics. The noob setting simply reduces power to 50 hp under all conditions. Kyle might like to take some time to familiarize himself with his new ride on this setting. The other new setting, squid, provides for single button full power launch control. The launch, of course, is terminated automatically after traveling half the distance of your average city block. Another feature of the squid setting is automatic activation of the anti-theft system should the lean angle exceed 7 degrees. Brad Jacoby Bethlehem PA 2008 R1200RT From brian at whatever2k.com Fri Feb 19 16:13:00 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:13:00 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7EB88C.90904@whatever2k.com> On 02/19/2010 07:58 AM, Rob Haut wrote: > A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. I said the Mac Pac would be > the place to get his questions answered. He did look at the bike and it > seemed clean (small scratch from a slow fall). So please offer your words of > wisdom (yes, he is an ME): > http://reading.craigslist.org/mcy/1578205577.html I have this bike in the red/white/blue. Same year, same bags, same bike. I bought it in 08, and I've put 10,000+ miles on it. Mine had a few more farkles (lights, tankbag, heated grips, etc) and I spent a little more so I'd call that a fair price. I've got over 200,000 BMW miles, so I don't guess I qualify as a newbie anymore, but my Dakar is one of the best all around motorcycles I have ever owned. I've ridden it on cross country interstate jaunts, I've ridden it on backroad blasts, I've ridden it over mountain passes and through creeks. I've done a 1000+ mile day on it, I've ridden it across KS one day and over Mosquito pass the next, I've chased sportbikes through eastern mountains, and I've hauled my son to rallies, I've commuted, and I've basically just ridden the piss out of it for the last 2 years. I LIKE my F650 Dakar, a lot. http://tinyurl.com/yl2umc4 (goes to http://picasaweb.google.com/Coop74/Colorado2009DualsportRide?authkey=Gv1sRgCNXB5dOKgb3eNQ#) .... some fun I had on my F650 Dakar last summer. Totally WS. For reference, I also have an 01 R1150GS. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From brian at whatever2k.com Fri Feb 19 16:18:51 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:18:51 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7EB9EB.3020406@whatever2k.com> > Third the 650 is really an 800 CC bike.. Yes it is big enough Wrong. This F650 is the 650cc rotax single, not the gimped 800cc twin BMW has passed off as an F650 since 08. > Differences between Dakar and "normal" is the ground clearance and body work The Dakar has a 21 inch front wheel, several inches of additional suspension travel front and rear, and a few other goodies. The Dakar is quite a bit better off road than the regular F650GS (non-twin) and real similar on it. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 19 16:20:45 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:20:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Snow Bikes Message-ID: <4B7EBA5D.5090601@ptd.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwS0g05GByU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGyK9A4y4Jg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfvy9Fj_PiA&feature=related About $4200 to convert your dirt bike to Radix Kit. Looks like larger bikes are required to get it to move at decent speeds. Large 4 strokes even seem to be struggling a bit. Maybe they need to make it for large bore sport bikes with some HP behind them. Hard to get a 45-50 hp bike to compare with a 120 to 140 hp snowmobile if you ask me. Chris Jaccarino From t42 at pobox.com Fri Feb 19 16:26:03 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:26:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 edde m wrote: > When he looks to compare price make sure he looks at total cost of > ownership...not just the purchase price of the bike. And the V-Strom drinks regular 87 octane!! (I don't know about the F650. Just thought I'd mention. Big cost difference over time.) And the Strom's valve adjustments are 14,500 miles apart. Again, don't know about the BMW, but I do know about Ducati. :( Lots of "hidden" costs in some bikes. The Strom just runs. Refined, however, it is certainly not, though the engine is outstanding and very smooth for a V-twin. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLfrubAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl20cwIAKfzBib6uPM3rTJuLJh9rHWY nJwVqYAKkQGyPX31dAwp4/bJJHntu7GJl7Tnbr1wlZmX25Fs90Aug8KXSXF2fC/K WE1YaoSYZvFrN5hmm6M0aiCeGQp5/mcDyG+JRFxBRGprXlq6OZh8xCXDVZ/CbaUe XAB6kVl1cZoD6ztZc6dv/Iiv9+a3I57bby/F9kWimmENKGHfdX/7I4BMPG5PgxTP ZfpMMU+GZk3SeoEQHTbIipSWqrI9DDKB27mQq4MdP1TXH4UL9T/kAxf5PHq2vyZm 2M4Dhrndvj/E8UsAgrHi4IOmCKrnD1Mn1zu34LGeFNXemwJjSWZ/RiXpMuzNBoY= =QLx1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 19 16:28:25 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:28:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <92037.43264.qm@web58508.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B7EBC29.3050305@ptd.net> Steve Makohin wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Here we are, talking about the suitability of a 650cc as a "starter" bike. > How many people on this list are old... er... mature enough to remember not > so long ago when... > o A 125 was a starter bike > o 600cc was considered a mid-size bike > o The Honda 750 was a big bike > o The Goldwing GL1000 (at around 80 hp) was excess, beyond need > o 100 hp per liter was a significant accomplishment > > It's much more a matter of perspective, than what actually "is". > > Geez, I would have thought that the last 10 years of observing the American consumer you would have understood that if you're an American, you always want things in a "large" size or in excess......houses, TV screen size, cars, bikes, women's ta tas, eastern seaboard snowfall amounts, food portions, your own penis size, etc. But then again, your in Canada so what do you know. Chris Jaccarino From jasiii at earthlink.net Fri Feb 19 16:34:19 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:34:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie Message-ID: <12387873.1266597259815.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >Wrong. This F650 is the 650cc rotax single, not the gimped 800cc twin BMW has >passed off as an F650 since 08. > >> Differences between Dakar and "normal" is the ground clearance and body work > >The Dakar has a 21 inch front wheel, several inches of additional suspension >travel front and rear, and a few other goodies. > I stand corrected.. I did miss the year/model.. my bad.. shame on me Thank you, always willing to be checked and corrected.. Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From Doug at pencader.com Fri Feb 19 17:18:19 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:18:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> Edde & Others wrote; >>> sentimental snips >> When he looks to compare price make sure he looks at total cost of >> ownership...not just the purchase price of the bike. > And the V-Strom drinks regular 87 octane!! (I don't know about the > F650. Just thought I'd mention. Big cost difference over time.) >>> end A 2003 Dakar was my first serious ride. It fit me very well (6' 2" with long arms & legs) and did everything I asked of it. It was a little buzzy north of 65 on the interstate, but not obnoxiously so. It was also very reliable for me. I'm wondering why the much more affordable KLR 650 has not been mentioned. While I've never owned one, I've read many, many testimonies as to its reliability, affordability (good used ones can be had for $4 - 5,000), and great selection of aftermarket products. I understand that the 2009 version had many updates and is considered a great bargain for single cylinder dual-sport bikes. Have fun shopping, Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE From brian at whatever2k.com Fri Feb 19 17:22:08 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:22:08 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> Message-ID: <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> > I'm wondering why the much more affordable KLR 650 has not been mentioned. > While I've never owned one, I've read many, many testimonies as to its > reliability, affordability (good used ones can be had for $4 - 5,000), and > great selection of aftermarket products. I understand that the 2009 version > had many updates and is considered a great bargain for single cylinder > dual-sport bikes. The F650 Dakar and the KLR 650 are both single cylinder dual sport motorcycles. That is the only similarity. If you thought that the F650 was buzzy above 65, the KLR would be a real eye-opener. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:29:10 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:29:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> Message-ID: On 2/19/10, Doug wrote: > I'm wondering why the much more affordable KLR 650 has not been mentioned. Time for Bill Ryder to pop up. He had one for a while. Rode to Harrisburg from Phiilly. His vision settled down and he felt his hands again about two days later. They ARE solid. They will take a lot of abuse. They are cheap. However, it is a whole different experience as Brian B. mentioned. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From mmehalik at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:34:02 2010 From: mmehalik at gmail.com (Mark Mehalik) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:34:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The rotax 650 engine is picky, some like any gas, some _require_ 87 and will generally behave crotchety with 'better' gas. Mine is one of the latter. (Valve)Adjustments for the F650 are set @ 3k, but I've spoken to a bunch of people about it, generally the tappet shims make adjustments verry rare. The check is simple too, not as simple as an R, but simple. Oh, except you have to drain the coolant, at least you do on my CS, GS/Dakars might be designed a bit more for immediate, fast service. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, David Talkington wrote: > > > And the V-Strom drinks regular 87 octane!! (I don't know about the > F650. Just thought I'd mention. Big cost difference over time.) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/dcdfb214/attachment.html From Doug at pencader.com Fri Feb 19 17:45:17 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:45:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> BB wrote; >>> Snips >> I'm wondering why the much more affordable KLR 650 has not been mentioned. >> While I've never owned one, I've read many, many testimonies as to its >> reliability, affordability (good used ones can be had for $4 - 5,000), and >> great selection of aftermarket products. I understand that the 2009 version >> had many updates and is considered a great bargain for single cylinder >> dual-sport bikes. > The F650 Dakar and the KLR 650 are both single cylinder dual sport motorcycles. > That is the only similarity. > If you thought that the F650 was buzzy above 65, the KLR would be a real > eye-opener. >>> end Yup, can't argue with that . . . I'm just'a sayin' for $5,500 (new), the KLR offers a good value for a proven platform when compared to the $8,700 +/- for the 2003 version of the Dakar. My choice was obviously the Dakar, but if'n I only had $5 or $6 grand and wanted something new, I'd be lookin' hard at the KLR. BTW, we also haven't mentioned Honda's XR650L - known to be much better off-road than on, when compared to the Dakar . . . here's a link to a pretty thorough write-up of those two; http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/11/493/Motorcycle-Article/2003-BMW-F650GS-Daka r-vs--Honda-XR650L.aspx Best to all, Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE From brian at whatever2k.com Fri Feb 19 18:07:20 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:07:20 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> Message-ID: <4B7ED358.70405@whatever2k.com> On 02/19/2010 11:52 AM, Kyle Mason wrote: > What do you guys think about $4200 though? Its a 2001 but only has 4000 > miles... It's worth that from what I can see. A 2001 Dakar is a better bike (IMO) than a 2010 KLR or a 2010 XR650L or a 2010 DR650. New isn't always better. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From me at billryder.com Fri Feb 19 18:10:09 2010 From: me at billryder.com (Bill Ryder) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:10:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> Message-ID: Of the Honda XR, Suzuki DR650 (another solid bike in the category) and KLR, I'd say they go in a range of dirt to street, just about in that order. The Honda is basically a dirtbike with lights. The DR is a compromise but still very dirt bike-y. The KLR is the only one in this group I'd ride on the street regularly, mainly because it's a much wider feeling bike and a bit more "planted" feeling. All just my opinion. I know DR owners out there in particular might scream at me for what I've said. :) I kind of see the Dakkar 650 as part of this group too...but for people with way more money. The Strom in my opinion is really a different class...like a standard street bike with a lot of plastic and maybe more travel than typical. It's a comfy street bike. No one buys a strom to go jump a hill somewhere. -Bill ... > > BTW, we also haven't mentioned Honda's XR650L - known to be much better > off-road than on, when compared to the Dakar . . . here's a link to a pretty > thorough write-up of those two; > > http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/11/493/Motorcycle-Article/2003-BMW-F650GS-Daka > r-vs--Honda-XR650L.aspx > > Best to all, > > Doug > '01 1150 GSP > Bear, DE > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Thanks! Sincerely, Bill Ryder From Doug at pencader.com Fri Feb 19 18:12:24 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:12:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> Message-ID: <00bc01cab18f$18edae70$4ac90b50$@com> Kyle wrote; >>> snips ? What do you guys think about $4200 though? Its a 2001 but only has 4000 miles... >>> serious snips Kyle, If it?s been properly maintained (and not been sitting idle for a long time), you should get your money?s worth. You would also be well advised to schedule an appointment with Hermy?s or Dr. Cutter and let him go over it thoroughly before you head out for any multi-day rides. The Dakar is a GREAT, largely bullet-proof dual sport. Also, if you?re looking at the total-cost-of-ownership, you will always be able to sell it for a good price ? there?s strong demand for used Dakars. Good luck atcha, Doug ?01 1150 GSP Bear, DE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/027f61ee/attachment.html From me at billryder.com Fri Feb 19 18:13:10 2010 From: me at billryder.com (Bill Ryder) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:13:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <4B7ED358.70405@whatever2k.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> <4B7ED358.70405@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: LOL, okay I've got to take issue with "better bike." That's a real subjective statement. It's...maybe built a little heavier...maybe than the XR and DR. They certainly designed the KLR to not to be frivolous in terms of cost. If that's what you mean...I agree. But I promise you this: there are KLRs on the street with as many miles on them as a Dakar. -Bill On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Brian Burdette wrote: > On 02/19/2010 11:52 AM, Kyle Mason wrote: >> What do you guys think about $4200 though? Its a 2001 but only has 4000 >> miles... > > It's worth that from what I can see. > > A 2001 Dakar is a better bike (IMO) than a 2010 KLR or a 2010 XR650L or a 2010 > DR650. > > New isn't always better. > > -- > Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Thanks! Sincerely, Bill Ryder From me at billryder.com Fri Feb 19 18:23:45 2010 From: me at billryder.com (Bill Ryder) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:23:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <00bc01cab18f$18edae70$4ac90b50$@com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> <00bc01cab18f$18edae70$4ac90b50$@com> Message-ID: Just for the record, for a first bike...I'd probably not pick the Dakar myself. I think you find something you aren't worried about dropping, and won't get caught up in showing off. The purpose should be nothing but learning the road. It's like...a first car, right? You don't look for a cheap BMW. You look for a Civic or an older Camry, or a plain domestic car for the first one. Again you'll get all opinions...but...I think for $4200 there are a ton of options. The Dakar is probably tall, top heavy for a 650. Dealers are fewer. Cost of ownership higher. Anyhow...just my two cents. I'd go less complicated for the first one...and by the way I love my k12rs...now. -Bill On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Doug wrote: > Kyle wrote; > > > >>>> snips > > > > ? ?What do you guys think about $4200 though? Its a 2001 but only has 4000 > miles... > >>>> serious snips > > Kyle, > > If it?s been properly maintained (and not been sitting idle for a long > time), you should get your money?s worth. You would also be well advised to > schedule an appointment with Hermy?s or Dr. Cutter and let him go over it > thoroughly before you head out for any multi-day rides. > > The Dakar is a GREAT, largely bullet-proof dual sport. Also, if you?re > looking at the total-cost-of-ownership, you will always be able to sell it > for a good price ? there?s strong demand for used Dakars. > > Good luck atcha, > > Doug > > ?01 1150 GSP > > Bear, DE > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/027f61ee/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Thanks! Sincerely, Bill Ryder From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 15:14:12 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:14:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! In-Reply-To: References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> <3B80946A5FB44F978EB87A80ABE2FC6F@home.robinson.org> <4B7E97A4.5020502@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Chris wrote: >> Jim Robinson wrote: >>> I'll be there with guest so put me down for 2. >>> >> >> >> The new house is bringing out the ladies or is your maid coming? >> >> Chris Jaccarino >> _______________________________________________ > > > Jim's turn to bring the goat. ? ?That would be 2, no? > > > Erik H > Just helping out a friend........ > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > My bets on the goat, too. -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 18:14:30 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:14:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Rob: My first bike was an 1997 F650ST, Fundoro. I think the Dakar is little taller, but that wouldn't scare me, as I could easily flat-foot the F650ST with bent knees. It's light, flickable, good on the highway, and lots of fun (hence the Fundoro name). I rode it to the Vermont Rally and back, and did lots of trips all over the MidAtlantic area. In the low gears it doesn't go as fast as my (may it rest in peace) F 800ST or my present R1100R. But it will go anywhere and is fun to ride -- even for long distances. It's an easy bike for a beginner, and fun bike for more seasoned rider. Downside Issues - A strong side wind will tilt it. The seat was slick and not very comfortable (corrected this with an Alaska sheepskin). The alternator does not put out a lot of voltage, so too many electrical farkles can interrupt a ride. Not a lot of speed in the low gears. Although I love my bike upgrades, I often regret not keeping the 650. Can't help you with the Wee-Strom, but ask Scott Royer. He has one, and he loves it. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > A friend from work is considering buying a BMW. I said the Mac Pac would be > the place to get his questions answered. He did look at the bike and it > seemed clean (small scratch from a slow fall). So please offer your words of > wisdom (yes, he is an ME): > > > > > >From Kyle: > > I?m about 6? 200lbs. Haven?t ridden a road bike before. I would probably use > it the most on back roads getting to work but also would probably take 2-4 > hour trips as well. Also planning a trip to Montreal (from Reading) in June. > > > > A few questions I had about this Dakar 650 GS > http://reading.craigslist.org/mcy/1578205577.html ? ? Comes with Side & top > cases, tank bag, center stand. > > > > 1. ? ? ? 650 enough for comfortable highway riding? > > 2. ? ? ? Difference between Dakar and regular version > > 3. ? ? ? Does a 650 Struggle with lots of gear > > 4. ? ? ? Is $4200 a good price? > > 5. ? ? ? Known problems? > > 6. ? ? ? Comparison to a V-Strom 650? > > > > P.S. the guy selling the 650 is also selling an 1150 > http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/1578016191.html > > > > -Kyle > > > -- > Rob Haut > West Chester PA > '05 Rockster > '61 FC-170DRW > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/5b4987fb/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- BMW-Dick From pasegc at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 18:33:06 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:33:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! In-Reply-To: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Ken Bruce wrote: ?So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will > convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, > Sue and I will be in attendence. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA From rcavalie at verizon.net Fri Feb 19 21:06:30 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:06:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Wanted Elliptical Trainer Message-ID: <000101cab1a7$6e193140$4a4b93c0$@net> Hi All, I'm looking to buy an elliptical trainer exercise machine (home version). New or used. Ping me off list if you want. Thanks To You, Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT From tpcutter at aol.com Fri Feb 19 21:15:16 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:15:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> I may need one. I bought the NewEgg SSD deal two days ago. They threw in a free 4GB flash drive, which I used to store some photos anbd stuff. Well, now I know why it was free. It had a nice Trojan loaded in it. The virus/malware is called Antivirus Soft, and nobody seems to have a solution for getting rid of itl It has rendered my primary computer useless. I'm posting this via my little shop mini notebook machine. As far as I can determine,the "features" of 'Antivirus Soft' are: 1) Popups every 20 seconds warning of a virus infection, and offering to sell you antivirus software. I used another machine to google that up, apparently they also clean out you credit card if you were to be stupid enough to actually click on their "buy" button. 2) It blocks all internet access to everygthing but their site. Any attempt to gp to anyplace else are redirected. 3) Resets Norton Antivirus settings and disables update features. Prevents any malware scanner from running. 4) Blocks opening Control Panel tools such as "Add or Remove programs. There is more, but that is wyhat I can think of right now. BTW, the backup SSD that I bought is infected, too. Wonderful. Just f**king wonderful. Any of you computer geniusesw want to come over and fix this thing? I need it desperately to run my business. I don't expect to ge this repair service for free, either. I need help here! Oh, Don't BUY NEWEGG PRODUCTS! Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: edde m To: mac-Pac Sent: Fri, Feb 19, 2010 9:37 am Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Who Needs a Cheap Laptop? Not a bad deal... http://www.woot.com/ -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:21:28 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:21:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > I may need one. I bought the NewEgg SSD deal two days ago. They threw in a > free 4GB flash drive, which I used to store some photos anbd stuff. > > Well, now I know why it was free. It had a nice Trojan loaded in it. The > virus/malware is called Antivirus Soft, and nobody seems to have a solution > for getting rid of itl It has rendered my primary computer useless. I'm > posting this via my little shop mini notebook machine. Wow...that sux. Since you cloned your SSD from your original disk...can you re-clone your SSD with Acronis? That should work since the Acronis CD boots before your infected SSD. Sorry to hear you got hosed....I buy stuff from NewEgg all the time(plasma TV recently)...and had not had a bad experience until I heard your story... Will call...you shortly. -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:24:23 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:24:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Try installing Malwarebytes from a flash drive, see below. Some directions here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-antivirus-soft HTH.... I hate these damn things, they are a PITA to exterminate. Erik H On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > I may need one. I bought the NewEgg SSD deal two days ago. They threw > in a free 4GB flash drive, which I used to store some photos anbd stuff. > > Well, now I know why it was free. It had a nice Trojan loaded in it. > The virus/malware is called Antivirus Soft, and nobody seems to have a > solution for getting rid of itl It has rendered my primary computer > useless. I'm posting this via my little shop mini notebook machine. > From ephoet at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:29:24 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:29:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Tom; Some of the sites recommend using HiJackThis as well. Noted in the comments section of http://www.myantispyware.com/2010/01/30/how-to-remove-antivirus-soft-uninstall-instructions/ http://free.antivirus.com/hijackthis/ From rcavalie at verizon.net Fri Feb 19 21:32:01 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:32:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000201cab1aa$fd0b18c0$f7214a40$@net> Tom, Bummer! Sorry to hear that. I should think that at least one of the computer geeks on this list would seize this opportunity to curry favor with a crack BMW wrench and help you out. Good luck to Ya ! Rick Cavaliere 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Tom Cutter Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:15 PM To: motoedde2 at gmail.com; mac-pac-l at jtan.com Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! SNIPPAGE Any of you computer geniusesw want to come over and fix this thing? I need it desperately to run my business. I don't expect to ge this repair service for free, either. I need help here! From hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 21:49:09 2010 From: hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com (hugh mccann) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:49:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] : Step-Stools Message-ID: http://www.ohdeedoh.com/ol-images/nursery/uploads/top10_stepstools_928.jpg If you need to climb on an old K75, or just get on the pottty, there is a stool for you From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 19 21:47:57 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hello Tom, From: "Tom Cutter" >I may need one. I bought the NewEgg SSD deal two days ago. They threw > in a free 4GB flash drive, which I used to store some photos anbd stuff. > > Well, now I know why it was free. It had a nice Trojan loaded in it. > The virus/malware is called Antivirus Soft, and nobody seems to have a > solution for getting rid of itl It has rendered my primary computer > useless. I'm posting this via my little shop mini notebook machine. > > As far as I can determine,the "features" of 'Antivirus Soft' are: > > 1) Popups every 20 seconds warning of a virus infection, and offering > to sell you antivirus software. I used another machine to google that > up, apparently they also clean out you credit card if you were to be > stupid enough to actually click on their "buy" button. > > 2) It blocks all internet access to everygthing but their site. Any > attempt to gp to anyplace else are redirected. > > 3) Resets Norton Antivirus settings and disables update features. > Prevents any malware scanner from running. > > 4) Blocks opening Control Panel tools such as "Add or Remove programs. > > There is more, but that is wyhat I can think of right now. > > BTW, the backup SSD that I bought is infected, too. > > Wonderful. Just f**king wonderful. > > Any of you computer geniusesw want to come over and fix this thing? I > need it desperately to run my business. I don't expect to ge this > repair service for free, either. > > I need help here! I believe your malware also disables the Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Delete). Don's ask me how I know that :-( I concur with Erik Hoet about getting Malwarebytes (www.malwarebytes.org). It's free, and it was the best solution by far, for detecting and correcting the various uglies caused by that malware, including registry changes. I was lucky enough to have Malwarebytes already installed on my PC when I got the infection. I subsequently paid the $25 to get "real time protection", and proved to myself that it does indeed work to *prevent* the infection, rather than to just clean it up after it hits. The danger with cleaning up malware, is that you may not be able to undo all its damage/changes. The best option then is to restore from backups. Good luck. > Oh, Don't BUY NEWEGG PRODUCTS! I don't agree with this. I continue to buy from NewEgg, and have always been very happy with them as a vendor. The issue you have is with the products' *manufacturers*. It's not reasonable to expect a vendor to open products and scan them for malware before shipping. Do report the issue to NewEgg, and let them know the extent of the damage it has caused you. They will hopefully suspend shipments of products that have been known to be compromised. It's bad business for them not to. -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 22:16:37 2010 From: hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com (hugh mccann) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:16:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/y8zp4tx 10 bucks? If it works, i'll buy it for a certain special someone. From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 19 22:51:29 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:51:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B7F15F1.1010809@argolis.org> Tom Cutter wrote: > I may need one. I bought the NewEgg SSD deal two days ago. They threw > in a free 4GB flash drive, which I used to store some photos anbd stuff. > > Well, now I know why it was free. It had a nice Trojan loaded in it. > The virus/malware is called Antivirus Soft, and nobody seems to have a > solution for getting rid of itl It has rendered my primary computer > useless. I'm posting this via my little shop mini notebook machine. > > As far as I can determine,the "features" of 'Antivirus Soft' are: > > 1) Popups every 20 seconds warning of a virus infection, and offering > to sell you antivirus software. I used another machine to google that > up, apparently they also clean out you credit card if you were to be > stupid enough to actually click on their "buy" button. > > 2) It blocks all internet access to everygthing but their site. Any > attempt to gp to anyplace else are redirected. > > 3) Resets Norton Antivirus settings and disables update features. > Prevents any malware scanner from running. > > 4) Blocks opening Control Panel tools such as "Add or Remove programs. > > There is more, but that is wyhat I can think of right now. > > BTW, the backup SSD that I bought is infected, too. > > Wonderful. Just f**king wonderful. > > Any of you computer geniusesw want to come over and fix this thing? I > need it desperately to run my business. I don't expect to ge this > repair service for free, either. > > I need help here! > > Oh, Don't BUY NEWEGG PRODUCTS! I'd send a note to newegg, they've good eggs (pun intended) and I would bet serious money they didn't do this willingly. From me at billryder.com Fri Feb 19 23:03:42 2010 From: me at billryder.com (Bill Ryder) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:03:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yep I was going to suggest the same software. This sounds like a classis "Malware" kind of bug...and the software Erik mentions has clean off some pretty crazy stuff from more than one of my machines. I think you can get a free version and see if it'll work. Once I did that...I was ready to hand deliver payment afterward...as like you Tom, I thought I had lost everything... :) -Bill On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Erik Hoet wrote: > Try installing Malwarebytes from a flash drive, see below. > > Some directions here: > http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-antivirus-soft > > HTH.... I hate these damn things, they are a PITA to exterminate. > > Erik H From lkingsley at dejazzd.com Fri Feb 19 23:06:11 2010 From: lkingsley at dejazzd.com (Lorne Kingsley) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:06:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds Message-ID: <85025BD8-BD1A-492D-99E5-D16E79D6B962@dejazzd.com> Check this out: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/19/video-bmw-s-1000-rr-valvetrain-at-full-bore-shocks-and-awes/#continued A video of an "exposed" S1000RR valvetrain in motion at max RPMs. Very cool. Lorne Kingsley '09 F800ST Douglassville, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 23:18:12 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:18:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Some "interesting road" shots here. Message-ID: http://pdf.informatia.ro/index.php?dir=Diverse/PPS/02oct2009/&file=ATTTMILV.pps (The PPS is WS. It is coming out of Romania I think. About 3 Meg) I also found it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SawaN_FreedoM/message/4777 Prime example of the clueless on forwarding stuff. Or a bunch of people not able to Select and Delete and so HORDES of e-mail addresses are exposed. Plus the clickable link does not seem clickable. Might work only for list members. The last shot is the "classic" shot of the "high road" in France. The others are just COOL. Now will Tom complain about these? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From gary5410 at aol.com Fri Feb 19 23:57:30 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:57:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Tools explained Message-ID: <8CC7FD66E2E40C5-2CC0-B4F1@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Tools explained: DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, denting the freshly-painted project which you had carefully set in the corner where nothing could get to it. WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprints and hard-earned calluses from fingers in about the time it takes you to say, "Oh, s---!" SKILL SAW: A portable cutting tool used to make studs too short. PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads. Sometimes used in the creation of blood-blisters. BELT SANDER: An electric sanding tool commonly used to convert minor touch-up jobs into major refinishing jobs. HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle... It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes. VISE-GRIPS: Generally used after pliers to completely round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand. OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub out of which you want to remove a bearing race.. TABLE SAW: A large stationary power tool commonly used to launch wood projectiles for testing wall integrity. HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper. BAND SAW: A large stationary power saw primarily used by most shops to cut good aluminum sheet into smaller pieces that more easily fit into the trash can after you cut on the inside of the line instead of the outside edge. TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the maximum tensile strength of everything you forgot to disconnect. PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the vacuum seals under lids or for opening old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splashing oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads. STRAIGHT SCREWDRIVER: A tool for opening paint cans. Sometimes used to convert common slotted screws into non-removable screws and butchering your palms. PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part. HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to make hoses too short. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. UTILITY KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts. Especially useful for slicing work clothes, but only while in use. Son of a bitch TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling "Son of a bitch" at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the next tool that you will need. From t79eco at verizon.net Sat Feb 20 00:55:14 2010 From: t79eco at verizon.net (t79eco at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:55:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Two Questions Message-ID: <18267660.10349.1266627314074.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/405f2b6a/attachment.html From Ducdude at verizon.net Sat Feb 20 01:06:22 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:06:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor References: Message-ID: <092B35653A3C42239D569197BA5A44D0@heilveil5e3fdd> From: "hugh mccann" > http://tinyurl.com/y8zp4tx > > 10 bucks? > > > If it works, i'll buy it for a certain special someone. Come on Hugh.... It says clearly 300lb handling limit.....It will never work for the intended use with that paltry limit... Heck the solid block of oak is taxed when fully employed.. Ciao, Duc From t42 at pobox.com Sat Feb 20 01:16:44 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:16:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Tools explained In-Reply-To: <8CC7FD66E2E40C5-2CC0-B4F1@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7FD66E2E40C5-2CC0-B4F1@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Things likely to be heard in my dad's shed: "I cut that board three times and it's still too short!" and of course, the perennial favorite: "Won't fit, huh? Where's my hammer?" - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLfzf8AAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2qe4H/jKNjCkhsWueonuhnx09ywR+ pFhHGnVXArhQcu5uQk7Ge48NilA7WIc+xzmjIf7aw4u6LtZ5kHEDAOkj9/NdUogp mcly6asTFlfk2qO8ibgRz6Q8n6WZfOa3ZMZKpFJweeRsu1GwPwlU1uculTxce/xM LM7JSfQD7wopO3YyIoq0ynhDuf/8h2ubYdWf6jG8oSRHTPaVEau/gz1w9UnO93/u OkBaVdATRQKxRKAPaO30nfiaxGR47uIFaZEutsUnobbnY6doTsU3ZV0zgPrZtSnk HQLkjRGo/sB7kawrVbedg10QAJ2Fnm7A/+0SWVr+A4NhdbkR1U256jrq80jWbTM= =CEcq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 01:57:51 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:57:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: <85025BD8-BD1A-492D-99E5-D16E79D6B962@dejazzd.com> References: <85025BD8-BD1A-492D-99E5-D16E79D6B962@dejazzd.com> Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: I found that fascinating... But what is causing the vapor? Is that exhaust coming out, or is that caused by oil coming into contact with a hot surface? -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 02:04:52 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:04:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Hugh: If you read my current blog, you will see that I already have 3 of these. They are too big for the OEM BMW top case, which is where I have to carry it. DucDude could use one though... He wouldn't have to strain his neck when kissing my ass. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 02:07:57 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:07:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: References: <85025BD8-BD1A-492D-99E5-D16E79D6B962@dejazzd.com> Message-ID: On 2/19/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: > > I found that fascinating... But what is causing the vapor? Is that > exhaust coming out, or is that caused by oil coming into contact with > a hot surface? You are seeing the internal valve lubrication of "oil mist". The oil droplets are being beaten into little bits. Try it on your K75. Same thing will happen. Be sure to have Leslie capture it on video. The whole thing. I am sure we will have a REAL ATTENTION grabber on Youtube.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 02:15:52 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:15:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: References: <85025BD8-BD1A-492D-99E5-D16E79D6B962@dejazzd.com> Message-ID: Dear Colleagues and Curry: What is the next step? Vaporization of the valves? -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 02:25:52 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:25:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: References: <85025BD8-BD1A-492D-99E5-D16E79D6B962@dejazzd.com> Message-ID: On 2/19/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Colleagues and Curry: > > What is the next step? Vaporization of the valves? Nope. It just keeps running. That is "normal". Metal parts slamming into oil droplets is a significant source of "power loss". -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jasiii at earthlink.net Sat Feb 20 02:29:55 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:29:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds Message-ID: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/19/video-bmw-s-1000-rr-valvetrain-at-full-bore-shocks-and-awes/#continued > >A video of an "exposed" S1000RR valvetrain in motion at max RPMs. Very cool. > >Lorne Kingsley Wow.. so that is what is really going on.. here I always guessed that magic was going on Love the way the value springs start turning .. wounder how much energy gets "lost" having the springs move so much Does anyone know ?? Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 02:33:13 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:33:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dear Sir: My calculations indicate .8 horsepower, in high humidity, using synthetic oil, on a Friday, in a city with a population under 750,000. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From wayne at 2zars.com Sat Feb 20 02:49:31 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:49:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9djun5l3fuaapvqvb15l2vl1psblqp7iv0@4ax.com> > >Does anyone know ?? FM Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Sat Feb 20 02:56:01 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:56:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com><00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com><4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com><00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com><00bc01cab18f$18edae70$4ac90b50$@com> Message-ID: <02eb01cab1d8$3c73ba30$4101a8c0@FastHP> > > ? What do you guys think about $4200 though? Its a 2001 but only has 4000 > miles... > >>>> serious snips I would be careful of the 2001 650's particularly the early ones, be they Dakar or GS. Many were full of birth defects. I had one of the early ones and it had many. Most were fixed but the surging and stalling were still there when I traded it in 5 years later. Marge From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 20 02:57:08 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:57:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> <> Thanks, Erik. I actually already thought of Googling "Antivirus soft" and found that site immediately. The trick doesn't work because the USB drives are all blocked by the malware. edde is going to take a look at it with me tomorrow. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 03:17:26 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:17:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: <8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On 2/19/10, Tom Cutter wrote: > < > Some directions here: > http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-antivirus-soft > > HTH.... I hate these damn things, they are a PITA to exterminate. > > Erik H >> > Thanks, Erik. I actually already thought of Googling "Antivirus soft" > and found that site immediately. The trick doesn't work because the USB > drives are all blocked by the malware. Tricky B.... > edde is going to take a look at it with me tomorrow. My thought would be to put it in an external enclosure, then have the Malwarebytes thinggy running on the "source" system, and have it exterminate it on the drive in the enclosure. And or put the file on the HD so you can put it back in your machine and have it be launched from the inside w/ no USB connnection needed. Having the "running" system being Linux or something like that so that it is far less likely that it will infect the system that is moving the Malwarebytes thingy onto the drive. UGLY. Good thing you got "resources".... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 20 03:31:25 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:31:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC7FF450CF58EA-29E4-38FC@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> <> Yup. Now you're getting into the area of engine building where I guard my secrets. Suffice to say that my GSXR750 regularly outran the 1000cc Suzys all of the 2007 season with a totally SuperStock-legal motor, In short, when you are not allowed to add horsepower, stop throwing it away. TOBC, the power loss is not from parts hitting oil droplets. It is from making oil into droplets, i.e. churning the oil. Guys always go on and on about viscosity and film strength of oil. Film strength is directly proportional to surface tension, which has a significant effect on windage and power loss. Thank NASCAR for that knowledge. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From Ducdude at verizon.net Sat Feb 20 13:17:21 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:17:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor References: Message-ID: <44B8475112174BF78EA5B8B331F6243E@heilveil5e3fdd> Dear Hugh: If you read my current blog, you will see that I already have 3 of these. They are too big for the OEM BMW top case, which is where I have to carry it. DucDude could use one though... He wouldn't have to strain his neck when kissing my ass. Chubs I would need a mouth as big as the open Astro dome to kiss your ass.. Duc From Doug at pencader.com Sat Feb 20 14:57:58 2010 From: Doug at pencader.com (Doug) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:57:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <017201cab23d$195ec1b0$4c1c4510$@com> Jim wrote; >>> snips > Wow.. so that is what is really going on.. here I always guessed that magic was going on > Love the way the value springs start turning .. wounder how much energy gets "lost" having the springs move so much > Does anyone know ?? >>> end Jim, Yes, I think the answer is "nominal". = ;^ ) Doug '01 1150 GSP Bear, DE From hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 16:45:01 2010 From: hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com (hugh mccann) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:45:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor In-Reply-To: <44B8475112174BF78EA5B8B331F6243E@heilveil5e3fdd> References: <44B8475112174BF78EA5B8B331F6243E@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: Why would anyone buy 2 more if the first one didn't fit? Hugh Collegeville f650GS 2007 "Thumper" On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Eric Ducdude wrote: > > > > Dear Hugh: > > If you read my current blog, you will see that I already have 3 of > these. They are too big for the OEM BMW top case, which is where I > have to carry it. DucDude could use one though... He wouldn't have to > strain his neck when kissing my ass. > > > Chubs I would need a mouth as big as the open Astro dome ?to kiss your ass.. > > Duc > From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 19:54:15 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:54:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: An airplane paint job for the compleat idiot.... Message-ID: http://www.cargolaw.com/2000nightmare_singles.only.html#Kulula.Air (WS) There is a BUNCH of other stuff on this page, of various aeronautical and nautical disasters. Interesting color to pain the plane too. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Sat Feb 20 20:51:13 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:51:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> <3B80946A5FB44F978EB87A80ABE2FC6F@home.robinson.org> <4B7E97A4.5020502@ptd.net> Message-ID: <23F83597D1AE460BB95DE18FFD0B48A5@home.robinson.org> Jim Robinson wrote: I'll be there with guest so put me down for 2. From: Chris Jaccarino The new house is bringing out the ladies or is your maid coming? -------------------------------------------------- Maids, goats, sheep, whatever... Variety is the spice of life. :-) Besides ..... If I didn't keep you guessing all the time what fun would that be. ;-) Jim Robinson West Chester PA From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Sat Feb 20 21:26:19 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:26:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik H < References: <44B8475112174BF78EA5B8B331F6243E@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: Dear Hugh: Good question. I made a point of telling folks that these folding models had their limitations, but still kind donors perseisted. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From rtill6 at aol.com Sat Feb 20 23:52:45 2010 From: rtill6 at aol.com (rtill6 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:52:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! In-Reply-To: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8CC809EEEE4E073-45B4-11797@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Ken I am going to be there . I have a hot date. Count us for 2. Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Ken Bruce To: 'MAC-PAC' Sent: Thu, Feb 18, 2010 10:03 am Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! Meine Damen und Herren, Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. Ahh, I can hear the accordion music now...can't you just taste the authentic Rauchfleisch and smell the Schweinepfeffer wafting through the rarified Bavarian air? Otto's menu has something for everyone from Wiener Schnitzel, to chicken cheesesteaks. Even the most discerning palate can find something to love at Otto's. One might ask..."Does Otto's have beer?" One might ask that but one would look like a DUMBKOFF! Does Otto's have beer?....Can Rolly play the guitar??? OF COURSE!! VAT EES GEHMUN FOOD VEETOUT BEEYAH?!? It would be like Raymond without a breakdown, Cutter without a clever comment, Sestrich without a sling, Christman without a camera, Rinda with no Lick, Lyba with no Bush, Jack with no Dick..... So, (deutsche)mark you calendars for Wednesday, February 24th @ 6:30 for the RIDERS' DINNER and enjoy (tolerate) the companionship of your fellow riders. If you can, let me know ahead of time so I can give the restaurant a count. If you don't know 'til the last minute, just show up. If the weather sucks, cage it...if the roads are clear (which may happen somewhere around Easter).....do whatever you want just BE THERE!! Eets not dat deefeekult. Get yo ahss to za ridazz deenah!! Ken Bruce _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From bmwdick at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 00:06:32 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Tools explained In-Reply-To: <8CC7FD66E2E40C5-2CC0-B4F1@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC7FD66E2E40C5-2CC0-B4F1@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Gary Christman wrote: > Tools explained: > > DRILL PRESS: (SNIP) > > Son of a bitch TOOL: > Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling > "Son of a bitch" at the top of your lungs. It is also, most often, the > next tool that you will need. I own a lot of the last one in various sizes and shapes. May the good Lord bless Brother Cutter and keep him safe, so I don't have to mess with those "SOB" tools. -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 15:06:37 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:06:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor In-Reply-To: <44B8475112174BF78EA5B8B331F6243E@heilveil5e3fdd> References: <44B8475112174BF78EA5B8B331F6243E@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Eric Ducdude wrote: > > > > Dear Hugh: > > If you read my current blog, you will see that I already have 3 of > these. They are too big for the OEM BMW top case, which is where I > have to carry it. DucDude could use one though... He wouldn't have to > strain his neck when kissing my ass. > > > Chubs I would need a mouth as big as the open Astro dome ?to kiss your ass.. > > Duc > Ducky: And your point is? Now we'll have to think of you as a humorless, bald-headed, big-mouth, midget, b-turd. -- BMW-Dick From royer.scott at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 23:17:32 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:17:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10b68dab1002191517n31087b84w52e380faf5fb94bd@mail.gmail.com> Don't bother. The description says it is only meant tohold up to 300 pounds On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:16 PM, hugh mccann wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/y8zp4tx > > 10 bucks? > > > If it works, i'll buy it for a certain special someone. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100219/2f7ec0bb/attachment.html From kaldewaay at live.com Sun Feb 21 01:31:13 2010 From: kaldewaay at live.com (Kaldewaay) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:31:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Riders dinner Message-ID: Ja wij komen ook, Dus twee personen, een ik, en me schatje. O sorry no Dutch on this list. Two people one me, and my hot motorcyle BMW girlfriend. Alain Sent from Alain Kaldewaay IPhone From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 21 03:45:24 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:45:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: <8CC7FF450CF58EA-29E4-38FC@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> References: <10141680.1266632995594.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4B806604.4941.F76D9A5@localhost> > < energy gets > "lost" having the springs move so much > > Does anyone know ?? >> > Not so much under normal operation. Steel springs are quite elastic and you get back just about all the energy you put in to compress them when they expand. When the engine is running at at speed the cam follower "surfs" on a film of oil and is sliding along fairly well. The engine is designed to rotate the valves. There is a little taper ground onto the end of the cam or rocker that causes a slight rotation with each cycle. The valves like this so they wear evenly and stay leak tight. This is normal. At the high RPM the springs themselves start to rotate in the video. I believe this is because the valves are getting light on the heads and rotating with the valve. The SS1000R valves were behaving as intended and all is well. Bad things can happen to valves at high speed. In particular spring surge and valve float. Spring surge is when the spring starts vibrating within itself because it can't keep up with the cam. Springs don't like this and will break in short order. Valve float is when the spring can't keep the valve in contact with the cam. In this case the engine will loose power. What is really cool is looking at slow motion videos of the valves and springs. Check out: http://high_speed_video.colostate.edu/#Mechanisms In particular the 1000-6000 rpm video and the valve float close up are interesting. You can see spring surge and valve float. The engine is a flat head so the cam is below and the valves are on top. Here is another: http://www.mctcameras.com/valvespring_frame.html You can see the spring surge and see the valve stem dance around. Cool stuff. Another: http://www.racingsprings.com/movies/test004.avi 60Mb but high resolution In quarter midget race engines the valve springs are just stiff enough to allow the engine to make full power. When the engine goes past maximum power the valves will float. A simple rev limiter. Ducati avoids this problem with the desmo valves. > Yup. Now you're getting into the area of engine building where I guard > my secrets. > > Snip... > TOBC, the power loss is not from parts hitting oil droplets. It is from > making oil into droplets, i.e. churning the oil. Guys always go on and > on about viscosity and film strength of oil. Film strength is directly > proportional to surface tension, which has a significant effect on > windage and power loss. Thank NASCAR for that knowledge. > Indeed. Windage loss is a bad thing. The quarter midget engine is lubricated by splash. To get the most power we run with very light oil and the minimum oil level. The oil is 0-20 weight and is like skim milk. One can also skiny up the bearings or run them at a large clearance. This will reduce friction, but have other bad side effects. No free lunch. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From tpcutter at aol.com Sun Feb 21 03:49:02 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:49:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com><8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC80BFF1322CDB-44E0-ADBF@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> JIm- Sorry I had to let edde repair my machine. He eats less than you! It was purely an economic decision. Just kidding. I'm really grateful to all of you who have called and written to offer assistance. Edde has gone above and beyond, riding to my house and picking up the computer, and taking it to his Bat-Cave where he worked the de-bugging magic. You guys are awesome. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Sun Feb 21 12:13:37 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:13:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com><8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> <8CC80BFF1322CDB-44E0-ADBF@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9EAE95940E2446D890614D6500F31BD4@home.robinson.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Cutter Jim- Sorry I had to let edde repair my machine. He eats less than you! It was purely an economic decision. Just kidding. I'm really grateful to all of you who have called and written to offer assistance. Edde has gone above and beyond, riding to my house and picking up the computer, and taking it to his Bat-Cave where he worked the de-bugging magic. You guys are awesome. --------------------------------- Actually Tom between my weight loss and these tough economic times my food consumtion is really down. Even despite my tape worm of a motabolism I bet my rates are right in line now with Eddie's. Well ok maybe not, but I guy can dream can't he? :-) Jim Robinson From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Sun Feb 21 12:21:50 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:21:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Third Sunday Breakfast Today Right? Message-ID: <7738F4E2B5014A2EA5DBDA628E51378F@home.robinson.org> I have sadly not ridden this year except the New Years Day gathering and last months 3rd Sunday breakfast. I've got the riding itchees like nobodies business. I deleted all the emails about 3rd Sunday breakfast this month, but by my calculations today is that day. Heading up in a short to see if I'm right. Even if I'm not at least I'll get a ride out of it. :-) Jim Robinson West Chester PA From kgbruce at verizon.net Sun Feb 21 12:55:15 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:55:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER..REMINDER!!! Message-ID: Thanks to all who have responded!! Meine Damen und Herren, Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. Ahh, I can hear the accordion music now...can't you just taste the authentic Rauchfleisch and smell the Schweinepfeffer wafting through the rarified Bavarian air? Otto's menu has something for everyone from Wiener Schnitzel, to chicken cheesesteaks. Even the most discerning palate can find something to love at Otto's. One might ask..."Does Otto's have beer?" One might ask that but one would look like a DUMBKOFF! Does Otto's have beer?....Can Rolly play the guitar??? OF COURSE!! VAT EES GEHMUN FOOD VEETOUT BEEYAH?!? It would be like Raymond without a breakdown, Cutter without a clever comment, Sestrich without a sling, Christman without a camera, Curry without an interpreter, Lyba with no Bush, Jack with no Dick..... So, (deutsche)mark you calendars for Wednesday, February 24th @ 6:30 for the RIDERS' DINNER and enjoy (tolerate) the companionship of your fellow riders. If you can, let me know ahead of time so I can give the restaurant a count. If you don't know 'til the last minute, just show up. If the weather sucks, cage it...if the roads are clear (which may happen somewhere around Easter).....do whatever you want just BE THERE!! Eets not dat deefeekult. Get yo ahss to za ridazz deenah!! Ken Bruce From piechota at argolis.org Sun Feb 21 13:45:49 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:45:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Third Sunday Breakfast Today Right? In-Reply-To: <7738F4E2B5014A2EA5DBDA628E51378F@home.robinson.org> References: <7738F4E2B5014A2EA5DBDA628E51378F@home.robinson.org> Message-ID: <4B81390D.7030203@argolis.org> Jim Robinson wrote: > I have sadly not ridden this year except the New Years Day gathering and > last months 3rd Sunday breakfast. I've got the riding itchees like nobodies > business. I deleted all the emails about 3rd Sunday breakfast this month, > but by my calculations today is that day. Heading up in a short to see if > I'm right. Even if I'm not at least I'll get a ride out of it. :-) It's on the calendar... From 321design at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 14:24:25 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:24:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road In-Reply-To: <4B79C681.24719.1C5A177D@localhost> References: <6FB6A37F3CEC46F59C681F14D5A25415@heilveil5e3fdd> <4B79C681.24719.1C5A177D@localhost> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002210624r268fe062j1389490fe7f49aae@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > > > > Did we ever get a copy of this flick in the Pac?? > > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512189/ > > > > Yep. ?I have two copies. > Was there talk of a showing sometime? Is it worth watching? Anyone have a home theater / large screen? I would but: 1. My viewing choices are minimal - small screen, small room. 2. My driveway requires a GS or Jack's Big Blue to negotiate the entrance, exiting is a Kamikaze run; 30 degree driveway entering the road on the inside of a fast blind curve. 3. I have 2 cats who are very territorial; as soon as a stranger enters my home, one will leap on the his head digging her claws into the eyes, while the other sprays the visitors face with cat piss. They will continue this until I say the safe word. I forgot the safe word. Anyone want to host? I'll make chili. -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From mmehalik at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 15:17:54 2010 From: mmehalik at gmail.com (Mark Mehalik) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:17:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie In-Reply-To: <02eb01cab1d8$3c73ba30$4101a8c0@FastHP> References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> <00bc01cab18f$18edae70$4ac90b50$@com> <02eb01cab1d8$3c73ba30$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: Thats a great point Marge. My 03 CS has the same problem, although not unmanageably. There is a pretty extensive page of remedies on f650.com for that as well. For me it was a different spark plug(cracks me up every time I use that phrase singularly), and specific gas. YMMV. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Marge Busch wrote: > > I would be careful of the 2001 650's particularly the early ones, be they > Dakar or GS. Many were full of birth defects. I had one of the early ones > and it had many. Most were fixed but the surging and stalling were still > there when I traded it in 5 years later. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100221/e0d15191/attachment.html From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Sun Feb 21 19:51:55 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:51:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Opinion on this bike for a newbie References: <74d2fbe11002190558k530e1ed6k2ac9d7b3ed73a133@mail.gmail.com> <00ae01cab187$8a7364c0$9f5a2e40$@com> <4B7EC8C0.2070200@whatever2k.com> <00b801cab18b$4eda99c0$ec8fcd40$@com> <00bc01cab18f$18edae70$4ac90b50$@com> <02eb01cab1d8$3c73ba30$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <03cd01cab32f$5254bb80$4101a8c0@FastHP> << ?Hi All, I'm trying to locate clear coat without UV filters/blockers. If anyone know a source, please let me know. Thanks, Eco Tom From jasiii at earthlink.net Sun Feb 21 23:14:53 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (James A. Sterling) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:14:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] S1000RR Exposed Valvetrain at Whoopie Speeds In-Reply-To: <4B806604.4941.F76D9A5@localhost> Message-ID: >> Does anyone know ?? >> > > Not so much under normal operation. Steel springs are quite elastic > Ducati avoids this problem with the desmo valves. >> Yup. Now you're getting into the area of engine building where I guard >> my secrets. > > Joe Thank you for the information.. Jim (doing *lots* of un-planned plumbing here in Claymont) From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 22 01:56:50 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:56:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER...REMINDER!!! In-Reply-To: <8CC809EEEE4E073-45B4-11797@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <0KY100HYGLUKUUSL@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> <8CC809EEEE4E073-45B4-11797@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B81E462.5000109@ptd.net> Ken Make two more down from the north. Chris Jaccarino From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 22 02:04:07 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:04:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Paint Question In-Reply-To: <20051977.306273.1266783543599.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> References: <20051977.306273.1266783543599.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4B81E617.6000001@ptd.net> t79eco at verizon.net wrote: > Hi All, > I'm trying to locate clear coat without UV filters/blockers. If anyone know a source, please let me know. Thanks, Eco Tom > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > True clear (meaning absence of color) does not exist with UV blockers, unless you are tied to NASA. If you want an UV blocker, there has to be some color pigment ( usually from clay or metal particles) and such will impart some "tone" to your surface. Ring me at 610-966-3500 to discuss what you are trying to do. Chris Jaccarino From Ducdude at verizon.net Mon Feb 22 00:40:58 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:40:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: OK, a little rough for Friday Humor References: <44B8475112174BF78EA5B8B331F6243E@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: <52D5B7D3AF654C079F78234E76F026A7@heilveil5e3fdd> > > > Chubs I would need a mouth as big as the open Astro dome to kiss your > ass.. > > Duc > Ducky: And your point is? Now we'll have to think of you as a humorless, bald-headed, big-mouth, midget, b-turd. -- BMW-Dick Not much of a stretch there eh?? Duc From chrisjac at ptd.net Mon Feb 22 02:10:39 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:10:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002210624r268fe062j1389490fe7f49aae@mail.gmail.com> References: <6FB6A37F3CEC46F59C681F14D5A25415@heilveil5e3fdd> <4B79C681.24719.1C5A177D@localhost> <74d2fbe11002210624r268fe062j1389490fe7f49aae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B81E79F.9060900@ptd.net> Rob Haut wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > >> >>> Did we ever get a copy of this flick in the Pac?? >>> >>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512189/ >>> >>> >> Yep. I have two copies. >> >> > > Was there talk of a showing sometime? Is it worth watching? Anyone > have a home theater / large screen? > > I would but: > 1. My viewing choices are minimal - small screen, small room. > 2. My driveway requires a GS or Jack's Big Blue to negotiate the > entrance, exiting is a Kamikaze run; 30 degree driveway entering the > road on the inside of a fast blind curve. > 3. I have 2 cats who are very territorial; as soon as a stranger > enters my home, one will leap on the his head digging her claws into > the eyes, while the other sprays the visitors face with cat piss. They > will continue this until I say the safe word. I forgot the safe word. > > Anyone want to host? I'll make chili. > -- > > I could host, but............... Pros...large room, large tv wired into large surround system, large couch for about 8 people. Ample off street or driveway parking available in a low crime neighborhood. Cons....Tile floor with area rugs. Limited seating unless people bring own chairs. Located in Macungie. One parrot upstairs that guards his room like a pitbull with rabies if he is out of cage. Guess it all depends on how many attend, but I could host if needed. Chris Jaccarino From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Mon Feb 22 02:25:42 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:25:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road References: <6FB6A37F3CEC46F59C681F14D5A25415@heilveil5e3fdd><4B79C681.24719.1C5A177D@localhost> <74d2fbe11002210624r268fe062j1389490fe7f49aae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <040101cab366$55044620$4101a8c0@FastHP> > > > Did we ever get a copy of this flick in the Pac?? > > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512189/ > > > > Yep. I have two copies. > Was there talk of a showing sometime? Is it worth watching? Anyone have a home theater / large screen? I would but: 1. My viewing choices are minimal - small screen, small room. 2. My driveway requires a GS or Jack's Big Blue to negotiate the entrance, exiting is a Kamikaze run; 30 degree driveway entering the road on the inside of a fast blind curve. 3. I have 2 cats who are very territorial; as soon as a stranger enters my home, one will leap on the his head digging her claws into the eyes, while the other sprays the visitors face with cat piss. They will continue this until I say the safe word. I forgot the safe word. _______________________________ I have two 42" HD TV's and Blueray and regular VCR's with both connected to good sound systems Plenty of parking except one fairly small area where the snow is piled. I have a dog but she doesn't bite hard. Morgantown Marge From gary5410 at aol.com Mon Feb 22 03:10:59 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:10:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road In-Reply-To: <4B81E79F.9060900@ptd.net> References: <4B81E79F.9060900@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8CC8183CA815D66-6424-1C57B@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> I moved one item up! Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure << Pros: Located in Macungie. Cons....Tile floor with area rugs......... Guess it all depends on how many attend, but I could host if needed. From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 22 03:19:55 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:19:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road In-Reply-To: <040101cab366$55044620$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <4B81B18B.9383.1485DF74@localhost> > > > > > > Did we ever get a copy of this flick in the Pac?? > > > > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512189/ > > > > > > > Yep. I have two copies. > > > > Was there talk of a showing sometime? Is it worth watching? Anyone > have a home theater / large screen? > > I would but: > 1. My viewing choices are minimal - small screen, small room. > 2. My driveway requires a GS or Jack's Big Blue to negotiate the > entrance, exiting is a Kamikaze run; 30 degree driveway entering the > road on the inside of a fast blind curve. > 3. I have 2 cats who are very territorial; as soon as a stranger > enters my home, one will leap on the his head digging her claws into > the eyes, while the other sprays the visitors face with cat piss. They > will continue this until I say the safe word. I forgot the safe word. > > _______________________________ > > I have two 42" HD TV's and Blueray and regular VCR's with both connected to > good sound systems Plenty of parking except one fairly small area where the > snow is piled. I have a dog but she doesn't bite hard. > > Morgantown > > > Marge > You guys forced my hand... I am planing on hosting it. This will be a garage warming party as I now have my dream garage. I was holding the movie in reserve until I had the addition done. The addition is now done and I am waiting for a little better weather so there will be more bikes and less cars. It will also be better to have the race cars and snow plow out of the garage so there is more room. This won't be the social event of the year, but I was planning on having the grill going with hamburgers and hot dogs and having the movie playing in the Patti's garage. I would have ice and coolers for adult beverages. If people wanted to bring stuff to eat that would be cool too. I only have a 32" TV, but the movie is short so there would be several showings. I am thinking of a Saturday night before racing starts. Comments, concerns, questions??? Stay tuned to this channel. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From rdlebout at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 03:41:53 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:41:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed Message-ID: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> I saw these people at the home show. http://www.fourleafenergy.com/residentialproducts.html They showed how it worked using an amp meter. I still am not sure. Can anyone tell me if this product is worthwhile? Thanks -- Bobby LeBoutillier From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 03:58:34 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:58:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/21/10, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > I saw these people at the home show. > > http://www.fourleafenergy.com/residentialproducts.html > > They showed how it worked using an amp meter. I still am not sure. > Can anyone tell me if this product is worthwhile? This popular on both coasts. The same question was asked on the WC too. Note, they demonstrate it with an amp meter, NOT a watt meter. They use it on a motor with SUCKY power factor. The volts and amps are not aligning with each other well. The motor is an "inductive" load. Overall your house is inductive due to all the transformer powered loads in it, plus motors. The device is a bunch of capacitors. Being "capacitive" they tend to balance out the "inductive" load of the house. The volts and amps align better and so the indicated amps for a given load go down. The watts remain the same. The Vars go down The indicated current changes. Erik correct me on this one, but I believe your watt hour meter indicates ONLY watts and ignores the vars for "typical" ranges. Since you pay for watts and not for vars it does not help a lot. The electric company does like you. You are paying for your own vars correction. You are reducing the losses in their system. It is a good demo, but has little real impact. It is Power Factor corrector, supplying capacitive vars to inductive var loads. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rdlebout at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 04:02:19 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:02:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC Rally training info Message-ID: <3f2b32881002212002x4dd2cf29p2f854d7962a39ca@mail.gmail.com> (MOA) created the Rider Performance University concept as a means of delivering rider education events to their members and the general motorcycling population. http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/motorcycle-sarah/2010/02/bmw-to-offer-motorcycle-training-at-2010-rally.html -- Bobby LeBoutillier From jfox204 at comcast.net Mon Feb 22 04:19:24 2010 From: jfox204 at comcast.net (James T. Fox, IV) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:19:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A70B9D3-ADE6-4845-A4F9-99F555350A60@comcast.net> On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/21/10, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: >> I saw these people at the home show. >> >> http://www.fourleafenergy.com/residentialproducts.html >> >> They showed how it worked using an amp meter. I still am not sure. >> Can anyone tell me if this product is worthwhile? > This sounded interesting so I Googled around a bit and found these two sites (as well as a rather detailed Wikipedia sight on power factors): http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/energystar.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=4941 http://powerelectronics.com/power_management/motor_power_management/power-factor-correction-0507/ Basically, as Brian said in his post, it's not worth it. - Jim Fox R1100GS Kimberton/Phoenixville From rdlebout at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 11:59:21 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:59:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: <7A70B9D3-ADE6-4845-A4F9-99F555350A60@comcast.net> References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <7A70B9D3-ADE6-4845-A4F9-99F555350A60@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002220359u78a9a559g3132f571a439c8a1@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM, James T. Fox, IV wrote: > >>> http://www.fourleafenergy.com/residentialproducts.html >>> >>> They showed how it worked using an amp meter. ?I still am not sure. >>> Can anyone tell me if this product is worthwhile? >> > > > ? ? ? ?This sounded interesting so I Googled around a bit and found these two sites (as well as a rather detailed Wikipedia sight on power factors): > > http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/energystar.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=4941 > > http://powerelectronics.com/power_management/motor_power_management/power-factor-correction-0507/ > > Basically, as Brian said in his post, it's not worth it. > > - Jim Fox > R1100GS > Kimberton/Phoenixville > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > Thank you for the input. I knew you guys would have the answer. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 13:57:08 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:57:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/21/10, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: >> I saw these people at the home show. >> >> ?http://www.fourleafenergy.com/residentialproducts.html >> >> ?They showed how it worked using an amp meter. ?I still am not sure. >> ?Can anyone tell me if this product is worthwhile? > > This popular on both coasts. ?The same question was asked on the WC too. > > Note, they demonstrate it with an amp meter, NOT a watt meter. > > > Erik correct me on this one, but I believe your watt hour meter > indicates ONLY watts and ignores the vars for "typical" ranges. ?Since > you pay for watts and not for vars it does not help a lot. > > The electric company does like you. ?You are paying for your own vars > correction. ?You are reducing the losses in their system. > > It is a good demo, but has little real impact. ?It is Power Factor > corrector, supplying capacitive vars to inductive var loads. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- I concur. Its called a "watt-hour" meter for that reason. Commercial metering would also track "Demand" and "PF", you then get hit for both in the bill. But residential not yet. The higher rate you are charged likely assumes some average residential "power factor". (though many of you are hit with "time of day" charges, which is one way of modifying "demand"). The Four Leaf explanation is good for commercial/industrial customers where those two items are measured. But their statement: "Apparent Power is what the utility company charges you." does NOT apply to residential customers. Having some capacitance in your system may have some beneficial effects in terms of power quality, in that fast moving transients tend to get absorbed by the capacitor. But your residential meter won't know the difference, as it only measures "real" vs "apparent" power. Some esplanation here on the internals of a meter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt-hour_meter -------------------- One interesting concern is the proliferation of compact fluorescent (CF) light bulbs and other non-linear power supplies (like your PC, digital TV etc) . Not a huge factor yet, but could cause power factor ( PF) problems for the utilities. Most CF lamps don't list their PF. (Its bad, maybe 0.6 --- 1.0 is good, like a regular incandescent lamp) And there is NO present requirement for the lamp mfgrs to design in PF correction. (which would occur in the form of a capacitor) If the "current" campaign to get everyone switched over to CF lamps works, the power company could see a shift in that average PF to all their residential customers. That would not play well with the power system. But that would take a substantial effort to get most lamps changed over to CF, which likely will take many years. Time will tell. Erik Hoet West Chester From piechota at argolis.org Mon Feb 22 14:17:47 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:17:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002210624r268fe062j1389490fe7f49aae@mail.gmail.com> References: <6FB6A37F3CEC46F59C681F14D5A25415@heilveil5e3fdd> <4B79C681.24719.1C5A177D@localhost> <74d2fbe11002210624r268fe062j1389490fe7f49aae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B82920B.9050801@argolis.org> Rob Haut wrote: > > Was there talk of a showing sometime? Is it worth watching? Anyone > have a home theater / large screen? I'd consider it in a few weeks at the earliest. Large-ish TV, 2-channel stereo. Decent parking. > I would but: > 1. My viewing choices are minimal - small screen, small room. > 2. My driveway requires a GS or Jack's Big Blue to negotiate the > entrance, exiting is a Kamikaze run; 30 degree driveway entering the > road on the inside of a fast blind curve. > 3. I have 2 cats who are very territorial; as soon as a stranger > enters my home, one will leap on the his head digging her claws into > the eyes, while the other sprays the visitors face with cat piss. They > will continue this until I say the safe word. I forgot the safe word. I have cats too, but they're friendly. From 440props at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 14:21:25 2010 From: 440props at gmail.com (Robert Atkinson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:21:25 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5a6ba3310e1b3950607d693d5ce84737@gmail.com> On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Erik Hoet wrote: > If the "current" campaign to get everyone switched over to CF lamps > works, the power company could see a shift in that average PF to all > their residential customers. That would not play well with the power > system. But that would take a substantial effort to get most lamps > changed over to CF, which likely will take many years. Local power (coal) is already whining about lower revenue - wants to raise rates. -- Best, Robert Atkinson - 1988 K75S -1993 K75RT BOOF # 161 - MOA # 89159 Racine, WI. USA. "I would start a revolution, but... I just bought a hammock." - Zach Galifianakis From motoedde2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 14:34:22 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:34:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: <9EAE95940E2446D890614D6500F31BD4@home.robinson.org> References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com> <8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> <8CC80BFF1322CDB-44E0-ADBF@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com> <9EAE95940E2446D890614D6500F31BD4@home.robinson.org> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Jim Robinson wrote: > Actually Tom between my weight loss and these tough economic times > my food consumtion is really down. Even despite my tape worm of a motabolism > I bet my rates are right in line now with Eddie's. > > Well ok maybe not, but I guy can dream can't he? :-) Not sure if you can be lower than my rates! Anyways...Tom's AV Soft issue was caused by picking up something off the net due to insufficient protection. The little bugger invited some of its other Trojan friends to the party! BUT...he should be good to go now. -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From gary5410 at aol.com Mon Feb 22 14:38:58 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:38:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com><8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com><8CC80BFF1322CDB-44E0-ADBF@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com><9EAE95940E2446D890614D6500F31BD4@home.robinson.org> Message-ID: <8CC81E3E7143003-4010-5DD2@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Those PORN sites will get you every time! ;-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: edde m To: mac-Pac Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 9:34 am Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Jim Robinson wrote: > Actually Tom between my weight loss and these tough economic times > my food consumtion is really down. Even despite my tape worm of a motabolism > I bet my rates are right in line now with Eddie's. > > Well ok maybe not, but I guy can dream can't he? :-) Not sure if you can be lower than my rates! Anyways...Tom's AV Soft issue was caused by picking up something off the net due to insufficient protection. The little bugger invited some of its other Trojan friends to the party! BUT...he should be good to go now. -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From piechota at argolis.org Mon Feb 22 14:48:22 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:48:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: An airplane paint job for the compleat idiot.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B829936.2090803@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://www.cargolaw.com/2000nightmare_singles.only.html#Kulula.Air > (WS) > > There is a BUNCH of other stuff on this page, of various aeronautical > and nautical disasters. > > Interesting color to pain the plane too. > What, no mention of this on the page? http://www.airliners.net/photo/U-Land-Airlines/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-82/0015394/&sid=ed53640bb3a196dfd235402fb5768c12 (SFW) Who's game? From piechota at argolis.org Mon Feb 22 14:51:19 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:51:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Some "interesting road" shots here. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B8299E7.3050004@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://pdf.informatia.ro/index.php?dir=Diverse/PPS/02oct2009/&file=ATTTMILV.pps > (The PPS is WS. It is coming out of Romania I think. About 3 Meg) > > I also found it here: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SawaN_FreedoM/message/4777 > > Prime example of the clueless on forwarding stuff. Or a bunch of > people not able to Select and Delete and so HORDES of e-mail addresses > are exposed. > > Plus the clickable link does not seem clickable. Might work only for > list members. > > The last shot is the "classic" shot of the "high road" in France. The > others are just COOL. > > Now will Tom complain about these? > Nifty. The second picture looks like the Monitor-Merrimac Bridge-Tunnel into Newport News. The last is that bridge in France that shows up on the extreme engineering shows. Something like 1000' off the valley floor. From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 22 15:12:02 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:12:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] King of the Road In-Reply-To: <4B82920B.9050801@argolis.org> References: <6FB6A37F3CEC46F59C681F14D5A25415@heilveil5e3fdd><4B79C681.24719.1C5A177D@localhost><74d2fbe11002210624r268fe062j1389490fe7f49aae@mail.gmail.com> <4B82920B.9050801@argolis.org> Message-ID: <8CC81E88553AF62-29C8-B0E1@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <> I have a sausage grinder and spices. Cats are not a problem. In fact, they're kind of ... yummy. Wacko d'Nutcase Outer Limit, PA From gary5410 at aol.com Mon Feb 22 15:16:25 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:16:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County Message-ID: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... Here's some from an earlier rideabout........my wife needed to be in Penn State and she said she had a ride home if I could get her there. That's a good excuse for a ride. http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cabin-07/11266521_qXK32#794138131_mydH6 From tpcutter at aol.com Mon Feb 22 15:26:28 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:26:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] F**king WONDERFUL! Who needs a new laptop? I might! In-Reply-To: References: <8CC7FBFC4AE0F41-4554-3E98@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com><8CC7FEF86525C8E-29E4-346B@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com><8CC80BFF1322CDB-44E0-ADBF@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com><9EAE95940E2446D890614D6500F31BD4@home.robinson.org> Message-ID: <8CC81EA89977F04-29C8-B5B8@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <> It's all good now. edde gave my machine a massive dose of anti-malware penicillin, and cured all that ails it. Today i ordered sme big condoms for my router. Thanks, edde! Jimmy, if you're hungry, come on over. A growing boy gotta eat. My doctor has banned everything that is remotely like food from passing my lips. There ar lots of leftovers. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 22 16:40:15 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:40:15 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Brian Curry wrote: >> On 2/21/10, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: >>> I saw these people at the home show. >>> >>> ?http://www.fourleafenergy.com/residentialproducts.html >>> >>> Short... > -------------------- > > One interesting concern is the proliferation of compact fluorescent > (CF) light bulbs and other non-linear power supplies (like your PC, > digital TV etc) . Not a huge factor yet, but could cause power factor > ( PF) problems for the utilities. Most CF lamps don't list their PF. > (Its bad, maybe 0.6 --- 1.0 is good, like a regular incandescent > lamp) And there is NO present requirement for the lamp mfgrs to > design in PF correction. (which would occur in the form of a > capacitor) I wonder the same thing. > > If the "current" campaign to get everyone switched over to CF lamps > works, the power company could see a shift in that average PF to all > their residential customers. That would not play well with the power > system. But that would take a substantial effort to get most lamps > changed over to CF, which likely will take many years. > > Time will tell. I wonder what the PF is for all of our modern stuff. We have a lot more motors and universal power supplies. CRT TV ---> LCD TV Electric oven ---> microwave Electric heat ---> Heat pump Electric hot water ---> Heat pump water heater Incandescent lights ---> CFL lights ---> LED lights Wired phone ---> Battery charger for wireless Pencil + Paper ---> home PC All of the above have different power factors than the thing they replace. I wonder what the effect is. Ride Safe, Joe From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:54:03 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:54:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Joe Dille wrote: > I wonder what the PF is for all of our modern stuff. ?We have a lot more > motors and universal power supplies. > > CRT TV ---> LCD TV > Electric oven ---> microwave > Electric heat ---> Heat pump > Electric hot water ---> Heat pump water heater > Incandescent lights ---> CFL lights ---> LED lights > Wired phone ---> Battery charger for wireless > Pencil + Paper ---> home PC > > All of the above have different power factors than the thing they replace. > ?I wonder what the effect is. > > Ride Safe, > > Joe Typically lousier PS. But they are making improvements, driven by regulation Its only an issue if the device uses some sort of switching power supply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply#Power_factor A heat pump uses standard induction motors. So no change there. Same with the hot water. No funky power supply involved. The counter issue is that these devices use a lot less watts. You replace a 100W incandescent lamp with a 23 W CF, which then uses 23% of the energy. So the effect, even with the crappy power supply, is not so great on the power system. Even the TV's use less power, though the monster 50 and 60inch displays can actually draw more, simply because no one was selling a 50 inch CRT TV..... Erik H From bmwbrian at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 16:59:12 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:59:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On 2/22/10, Joe Dille wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Brian Curry > I wonder what the PF is for all of our modern stuff. We have a lot more > motors and universal power supplies. I can tell that Joe is an ME. > CRT TV ---> LCD TV > Electric oven ---> microwave > Electric heat ---> Heat pump > Electric hot water ---> Heat pump water heater > Incandescent lights ---> CFL lights ---> LED lights > Wired phone ---> Battery charger for wireless > Pencil + Paper ---> home PC ALL of them are INDUCTIVE. So they are all trying to cause the current to "lag" the voltage. For good measure, the Switching power supplies in the battery chargers and PCs all put large spikes on the line as they start or stop the current flow rapidly to "switch" the power on and off. Go past a pump station with variable speed drives and you can hear the noise on the line. Noise on the line is becoming an increasing problem to equipment that is sensitive to it. > All of the above have different power factors than the thing they replace. > I wonder what the effect is. The generators have to supply more capacitive vars. The transmission and distribution line losses increase. We all pay for those, they are wrapped up into the charges. Look on your bill for the T&D charges. That be them. Or they are wrapped up in them. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From ephoet at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 17:51:38 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:51:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Riders dinner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Kaldewaay wrote: > Ja wij komen ook, > Dus twee personen, een ik, en me schatje. > O sorry no Dutch on this list. > Two people one me, and my hot motorcyle BMW girlfriend. > > Alain No worries, wij begrepen u Naam van de liefe schatje? (name of the dame, for the benefit of the list of course!) Erik From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 20:25:23 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:25:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? Message-ID: <4a4431121002221225h358639caq3b48b940fecf365d@mail.gmail.com> Could it really be that easy?? Wheel was off for annual tire change anyway so..... I just did a spline lube on the ECO (K100RS from trans back) in which I just unbolted the rear gear carrier, swung the sucker back (pivoting on rear shock, making sure drive shaft didn't come back) fingered 1/4 tube of Honda Moly lube in, reinstalled rear gear carrier. Done in about 20 minutes?? Is this reasonable? I have been dreading this job for so long... No caliper removal, sensors to reset or even speedo wire disconnect. ECO Dan Greensboro NC From motoedde2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 21:12:01 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:12:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: New Alliances Needed for the 21st Century?? Message-ID: As the world becomes more interconnected, physical borders may not be the best judge of necessary allies...North America may need to embrace the Russians within a new alliance! http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/22/technology/22cyber.html?emc=eta1 -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Mon Feb 22 21:36:31 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:36:31 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002221225h358639caq3b48b940fecf365d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002221225h358639caq3b48b940fecf365d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43560.12.181.211.35.1266874591.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Could it really be that easy?? Wheel was off for annual tire change > anyway so..... > Snip... > > Done in about 20 minutes?? > > Is this reasonable? Yes and no. There are two spines in the K-bikes. You did the easy one. The other one is in the clutch. Ride Safe, Joe From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Mon Feb 22 21:39:34 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:39:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona Message-ID: <045b01cab407$86b24040$4101a8c0@FastHP> Anyone going to Daytona this year? Marge From pasegc at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 22:43:50 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:43:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... > > http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cabin-07/11266521_qXK32#794138131_mydH6 > Pennsylvania is a beautiful state. Thanks for reminding us. Gerry Cavanaugh Coatesville, PA From jasiii at earthlink.net Tue Feb 23 00:56:31 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:56:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? Message-ID: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >Could it really be that easy?? Wheel was off for annual tire change >anyway so..... > >I just did a spline lube on the ECO (K100RS from trans back) in which >Is this reasonable? > >I have been dreading this job for so long... No caliper removal, >sensors to reset or even speedo wire disconnect. > >ECO Dan Hate to tell you this but there is a set of splines at the front of the drive shaft. Oh.... a bit more then 20 minutes Check with Tom or Brian.. both know a lot more then I do Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From t42 at pobox.com Tue Feb 23 02:02:15 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:02:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? In-Reply-To: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hate to tell you this but there is a set of splines at the front of the drive shaft. Those aren't a big deal. They don't slide and are not failure-prone. The ones you need to worry about are the clutch-to-trans input shaft splines, and that's an all-day job to get to (with my tools and level of competence, anyway). - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLgzcnAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2PiAH/1lSBUhcagJy5Tfxm3END2yx nTbQD5g41qtcmNk4FwbLBPlghgCFHtZC4kmNxvdos3Bt2fYOB07sdv4grSzWoiJx mYuVC9smAIobw1GAUR9RFfqljGZ0bdnp3W6N4xKZ6AU5mbiAEDHhfFbbOY3xcVnK ijSVNCc1vZrHqThgEf+WA98wnFXT6oqnN7yVtASbVzY2YcoUfTj08Q21Obw0ntAs WtVmSXXS6O2viUspYESMExeE3IXrvcw6uzD4C9czJ3/NcIsfAIPtFoezJZiFA6a8 Bjpe/3WQpilzv8WrZJpc65HM1j3tWLh7aG8KdejqsHJlTKz/Lyx/GJudLDSmR7s= =fGyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 03:40:30 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:40:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona In-Reply-To: <045b01cab407$86b24040$4101a8c0@FastHP> References: <045b01cab407$86b24040$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <4a4431121002221940q43169c64k76cc2bd097f4e778@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Marge Busch wrote: > Anyone going to Daytona this year? > > Marge YES. Dano From ironbt01 at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 03:48:05 2010 From: ironbt01 at gmail.com (Greg Roberts) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:48:05 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona In-Reply-To: <045b01cab407$86b24040$4101a8c0@FastHP> References: <045b01cab407$86b24040$4101a8c0@FastHP> Message-ID: <2a937ecc1002221948n73e44985q5f8074e9bbb14e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Marge Busch wrote: > Anyone going to Daytona this year? > > Marge Ayup. Debbie and I are planning on leaving Thursday morning. Greg Roberts Wadley, AL From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 03:50:20 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:50:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? In-Reply-To: References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:02 PM, David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> Hate to tell you this but there is a set of splines at the front of the >> drive shaft. > > Those aren't a big deal. ?They don't slide and are not failure-prone. The > ones you need to worry about are the clutch-to-trans input shaft splines, > and that's an all-day job to get to (with my tools and level of competence, > anyway). I had to do a clutch replacement Just before Tom Cutter's Daughter's prom. She wanted to arrive in one ECO, Tom Mohn's , her date in the other, mine. Took 2 solid days with the ECO (which has a lot of weird stuff in the way). I was very lucky to make it in time. Dano From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 23 04:28:52 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:28:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <> Dan, your efforts were greatly appreciated, as was Tom's generous loan of his ECO. In fact,just last week I was getting a haircut at the salon (shut up you guys) and the girls there were discussing the prom and their rides. They all saw the ECOs at Keri's prom (thousands of local residents gather every year to watch the parade of unusual rides the kids arrange) and they all agreed that the ECOs were the most unique ride that they had ever seen at prom, made moreso by virtue of the fact that nobody will ever be able to duplicate that feat. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 23 05:04:16 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:04:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? In-Reply-To: <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B8361D0.9090109@ptd.net> Tom Cutter wrote: > In fact,just last week I was getting a haircut at the salon (shut up > you guys) From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 05:14:11 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:14:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002221225h358639caq3b48b940fecf365d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002221225h358639caq3b48b940fecf365d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/22/10, Dan Whitfield wrote: > I just did a spline lube on the ECO (K100RS from trans back) in which > I just unbolted the rear gear carrier, swung the sucker back (pivoting > on rear shock, making sure drive shaft didn't come back) fingered 1/4 > tube of Honda Moly lube in, reinstalled rear gear carrier. It can depend on what K100RS variant. Earlies were "mono lever" and had only one U joint. Removing the rear drive, CLEANING the splines (female and male) and regreasing it it. The front splines on the DS don't die about ever. There are the clutch splines but if you had it done less than 40-60K ago, I would not worry. From the sounds of it, you are good there. The 1991 and later K100RS's had paralever rear drives with TWO U-joints in the DS and they do not seem to need the DS spline lubes that the monolevers do. Removing the rear drive is more complex on the paralevers so sounds like you are monolever. Big issues is CLEANING the splines before you goop them with the Moly-60. If you not you have a nice iron oxide grinding paste. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net Tue Feb 23 11:29:32 2010 From: bmw96k1100rs at verizon.net (Jim Robinson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:29:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Speaking of ECO's References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <218553A25A6E4A1697ADEB0BE34224CE@home.robinson.org> 8-O ... OMG ... WOW! Have you seen the sweet paint job on Tom Mohn's ECO lately? That looked fantastic at breakfast on Sunday! Jim Robinson West Chester PA From Braveirwin at aol.com Tue Feb 23 12:11:41 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:11:41 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? Message-ID: <2a79.60925af.38b51ffd@aol.com> In a message dated 2/22/2010 11:29:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tpcutter at aol.com writes: and they all agreed that the ECOs were the most unique ride that they had ever seen at prom, made moreso by virtue of the fact that nobody will ever be able to duplicate that feat. =============================================================== Oh, I don't know.... perhaps a few well greased palms might do it. Roddy. From dbcase at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:05:29 2010 From: dbcase at gmail.com (David Case) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:05:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <27a2451f1002230505pab262c1l41b194f7d9bfe20b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > > Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... Winter is a good time to SEE those pics, Gary!? I'm ready for Spring. The receding snow here on the city grid this morning?is exposing the lov-? erm, ...thanks for those pics, Gary! > > > http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cabin-07/11266521_qXK32#794138131_mydH6 Dave Case Urban commuter From wayne at 2zars.com Tue Feb 23 13:24:03 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:24:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: compression fitting Message-ID: I'm replacing my kitchen floor and had to disconnect and reconnect my dishwasher. It has a compression fitting and I can't get it to stop leaking. The leak is very, very slow, but it's still drips. I used teflon tape on the threads, it this a good or bad idea? Any other suggestions to stopping the drip? Thanks. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 23 13:50:02 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:50:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: compression fitting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B83DD0A.9080909@ptd.net> Wayne Woodruff wrote: > I'm replacing my kitchen floor and had to disconnect and reconnect my > dishwasher. It has a compression fitting and I can't get it to stop > leaking. > > The leak is very, very slow, but it's still drips. I used teflon tape > on the threads, it this a good or bad idea? Any other suggestions to > stopping the drip? > > > > Cut the end of the pipe just a tad to get a new clean edge. Get a new compression nut, and new compression ferrule (sometimes called a compression ring) Too many people try to reuse the ferrule too often. Dont go ballistic when tightening everything back up. Do not use joint compound, Teflon, etc. on the fittings threads. Chris Jaccarino. From brian at whatever2k.com Tue Feb 23 13:57:53 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:57:53 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again Message-ID: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> Yes indeed, they can do this. http://www.newsweek.com/id/233916 Buy ammo. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From mmehalik at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 14:33:41 2010 From: mmehalik at gmail.com (Mark Mehalik) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:33:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: With this and the macbook spy thing going on, it shocks me to no end that Americans think technology isn't working against their privacy. Convenience at the sake of privacy is a slam dunk in terms of public mindset, it works even better than the defense argument. Everything that can work for you can work against you. Your phone? your phone's gps? Onstarish things? I'm not sure buying ammo is a good defense just yet(in general though, it is good to have ammo), but certainly educating yourself on how these things work and how to stop it can go a long way. for more fun reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A As always, under the guise of protection the government is spying on you. What was that about trading freedom for security? It isn't new. It isn't partisan. It isn't going to stop. You can only protect yourself. -mark On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Brian Burdette wrote: > Yes indeed, they can do this. > > http://www.newsweek.com/id/233916 > > Buy ammo. > > -- > Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100223/7b838c36/attachment.html From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 23 14:36:21 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:36:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <4B83E7E5.30202@ptd.net> Brian Burdette wrote: > Yes indeed, they can do this. > > http://www.newsweek.com/id/233916 > > Buy ammo. > > The non-believers of what is happening around them will say "but it's for the children, "it's the fight against terroism", it's for the good of the US". Effing BS. Between cell phones, GM's OnStar stuff, and the black boxes (event data recorders..yeah sure) in cars, if you cant smell what is happening around you, you deserve what you get. What they find when tracking my phone...... either I am home cursing the govt, at the indoor shooting range, or at the gun store checking out what I need next. I am already stocked for ammo. On another similar related note, I was working on the car (which does NOT have an event data recorder) the other day when I pulled an inside panel off in the rear of the trunk and saw a huge metal thing in a space where it surely didnt look like it belonged. What was the metal thing...turns out it was the Sirrius Radio electronics. Holy crap, the size of that thing was too big for what I would think it needs to be. When my Sirrius subscription runs out in about 3 months, that hunk of metal is being removed for weight saving reasons, of course. This shit sickens me. Keep those old school motorcycles without the computers folks. Traction control or power control on the new BMW SS1000R...yeah sure, go ahead and think that way....touching those buttons turns on the tracking mode which sends your location and speed to the authorities. :) Chris Jaccarino From rdlebout at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 14:25:03 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:25:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002230625r49f22506wc0fe6d01e30b3815@mail.gmail.com> > > The generators have to supply more capacitive vars. > > The transmission and distribution line losses increase. ?We all pay > for those, they are wrapped up into the charges. ?Look on your bill > for the T&D charges. ?That be them. ? Or they are wrapped up in them. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ambassador BMW MOA ? | > Brian Curry ? ? ? ? ?| ? ? ?Is Getting Old, Getting Old? > "DEERsSLAYER" ? ? ? ?| ? ? ?Aging Factors Can be Stopped > K75RTs both coasts ? | ? ? ?Find out more about it at > Chester Springs PA ? | ? ? ?http://www.nsevideos.com > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > H&R Block ran a very successful ad campaign. It stated "I got people" I knew when I asked this question I would need an interpreter to understand the laungage. Now I know that the product is not worth spending money on and I still do not know the rest of the information. I do know that, I got people. Thank you. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From kgbruce at verizon.net Tue Feb 23 14:49:27 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:49:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER..TOMORROW NIGHT!!! Message-ID: Thanks to all who have responded!! Meine Damen und Herren, Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th TOMORROW NIGHT, at 6:30 we will convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. Ahh, I can hear the accordion music now...can't you just taste the authentic Rauchfleisch and smell the Schweinepfeffer wafting through the rarified Bavarian air? Otto's menu has something for everyone from Wiener Schnitzel, to chicken cheesesteaks. Even the most discerning palate can find something to love at Otto's. One might ask..."Does Otto's have beer?" One might ask that but one would look like a DUMBKOFF! Does Otto's have beer?....Can Rolly play the guitar??? OF COURSE!! VAT EES GEHMUN FOOD VEETOUT BEEYAH?!? It would be like Raymond without a breakdown, Cutter without a clever comment, Sestrich without a sling, Christman without a camera, Curry without an interpreter, Lyba with no Bush, Jack with no Dick..... So, (deutsche)mark you calendars for TOMORROW NIGHT Wednesday, February 24th @ 6:30 for the RIDERS' DINNER and enjoy (tolerate) the companionship of your fellow riders. If you can, let me know ahead of time so I can give the restaurant a count. If you don't know 'til the last minute, just show up. If the weather sucks, cage it...if the roads are clear (which may happen somewhere around Easter).....do whatever you want just BE THERE!! Eets not dat deefeekult. Get yo ahss to za ridazz deenah!! Ken Bruce From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 15:17:27 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:17:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Speaking of ECO's In-Reply-To: <218553A25A6E4A1697ADEB0BE34224CE@home.robinson.org> References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <218553A25A6E4A1697ADEB0BE34224CE@home.robinson.org> Message-ID: <4a4431121002230717w4b4c466fob97f84b562e4360b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Jim Robinson wrote: > 8-O ... OMG ... WOW! > Have you seen the sweet paint job on Tom Mohn's ECO lately? > That looked fantastic at breakfast on Sunday! > > Jim Robinson > West Chester PA NO! But I have heard about it! Any pics?? Dano From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 23 15:27:40 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:27:40 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: compression fitting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7457.12.181.211.35.1266938860.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > I'm replacing my kitchen floor and had to disconnect and reconnect my > dishwasher. It has a compression fitting and I can't get it to stop > leaking. > This is bad. > The leak is very, very slow, but it's still drips. I used teflon tape > on the threads, it this a good or bad idea? Any other suggestions to > stopping the drip? > Do not use Teflon tape or any other spooge on a compression fitting. You did not say weather this was copper or plastic, but the basics are the same. I am guessing that somehow the ferule (the little brass or plastic ring on the tube) has been compromised. This is often done by overtightinig. You need to cut the last 1/2" off the tube and start over with a fresh ferule. Cut the tube back and make sure the area where the new ferule will sit is clean and has no bad scratches. Install the nut on the tubing and then the ferule. Slide the tube into the fitting and slide the ferule into the fitting. They should both ave something to rest on. Tighten the nut finger tight and place a mark on the nut. Tighten the nut 1 1/4 turn (only 3/4 turn for 1/8" and smaller)and try the system. That should do it. You may need to tighten an additional 1/4 turn, but probably not. Good Luck, Joe From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 23 15:31:16 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:31:16 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Yes indeed, they can do this. > > http://www.newsweek.com/id/233916 > > Buy ammo. > If you are going to be doing something bad, go to the 7-11 and get a disposable cell phone. The dude behind the counter can set you up. Ride Safe, Joe From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 15:37:12 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:37:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] spline lube, Could it really be that easy?? In-Reply-To: <2a79.60925af.38b51ffd@aol.com> References: <2a79.60925af.38b51ffd@aol.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002230737r71aff613jf3f1f7867a0c3d00@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:11 AM, wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/22/2010 11:29:27 ?P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > tpcutter at aol.com writes: > and they all agreed that ?the ECOs were the most unique ride > that they had ever seen at prom, made ?moreso by virtue of the fact that > nobody will ever be able to duplicate that ?feat. > > =============================================================== > > Oh, ?I don't know.... perhaps a few well greased palms might do it. ?Roddy. I did ride my ECO to Boston Motorcycle Show in November snow storm for $500 and accommodations. But I don't think Tom Mohn is so easily influenced. Dano From mrmevans at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:03:38 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:03:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> <9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Joe Dille wrote: > > If you are going to be doing something bad, go to the 7-11 and get a > disposable cell phone. ?The dude behind the counter can set you up. > > Ride Safe, > Referred to as "Drop Phones" on the street. Do what you need and toss it when done. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From wayne at 2zars.com Tue Feb 23 16:23:54 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:23:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: compression fitting In-Reply-To: <4B83DD0A.9080909@ptd.net> References: <4B83DD0A.9080909@ptd.net> Message-ID: <7fbead931002230823s5755d5e5mf9670b1e2d96c72@mail.gmail.com> > Cut the end of the pipe just a tad to get a new clean edge. ?Get a new > compression nut, and ?new compression ferrule (sometimes called a > compression ring) ?Too many people try to reuse the ferrule too often. ?Dont > go ballistic when tightening everything back up. > > > Do not use joint compound, Teflon, etc. on the fittings threads. Thanks Chris and Joe!! -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Tue Feb 23 16:28:11 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:28:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002230625r49f22506wc0fe6d01e30b3815@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <3f2b32881002230625r49f22506wc0fe6d01e30b3815@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7fbead931002230828p40c9b524u8c8ba272d2225048@mail.gmail.com> > H&R Block ran a very successful ad campaign. ?It stated "I got people" > I knew when I asked this question I would need an interpreter to > understand the laungage. > Now I know that the product is not worth spending money on and I still > do not know the rest of the information. ?I do know that, I got > people. ?Thank you. My preferred way of stating this is ... "I don't know shit, but I know who does" -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Tue Feb 23 16:30:10 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:30:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: compression fitting In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002230823s5755d5e5mf9670b1e2d96c72@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B83DD0A.9080909@ptd.net> <7fbead931002230823s5755d5e5mf9670b1e2d96c72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B840292.1070400@ptd.net> Wayne Woodruff wrote: >> Cut the end of the pipe just a tad to get a new clean edge. Get a new >> compression nut, and new compression ferrule (sometimes called a >> compression ring) Too many people try to reuse the ferrule too often. Dont >> go ballistic when tightening everything back up. >> >> >> Do not use joint compound, Teflon, etc. on the fittings threads. >> > > Thanks Chris and Joe!! > > > Your welcome, but I see you chose the more efficient (less verbose, non engineer) explanation. But am sure that Brian C. appreciates your selection. Sorry Joe. Chris Jaccarino From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:34:00 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:34:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: <7fbead931002230828p40c9b524u8c8ba272d2225048@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <3f2b32881002230625r49f22506wc0fe6d01e30b3815@mail.gmail.com> <7fbead931002230828p40c9b524u8c8ba272d2225048@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/23/10, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > > H&R Block ran a very successful ad campaign. It stated "I got people" > > I knew when I asked this question I would need an interpreter to > > understand the laungage. > > Now I know that the product is not worth spending money on and I still > > do not know the rest of the information. I do know that, I got > > people. Thank you. > > > My preferred way of stating this is ... > > "I don't know shit, but I know who does" The good Engineer, may not know the answer, but knows where to look. Or who to ask to find out what is needed. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 16:43:52 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:43:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Speaking of ECO's In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002230717w4b4c466fob97f84b562e4360b@mail.gmail.com> References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <218553A25A6E4A1697ADEB0BE34224CE@home.robinson.org> <4a4431121002230717w4b4c466fob97f84b562e4360b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: As you may be aware, I attended the Mac Pac's most recent monthly breakfast (Feb. 21) at the Pottstown Family Diner not only as a member of this group, but as the publisher of Twisted Roads, the premier motorcyle blog. Not only did I get pictures of the ECO Mobile, the big attraction of this breakfast, I painstakingly cited the business discussed, noted some of the celebrities there, and chronicled he arrival of the ECO MObile, including an interview with owner Tom Mohn and his wife Kathy. Even though I was greviously insulted by a member of the Mac Pac, I will soldier on ? determined to prove my worth, sooner or later. Details may be found at: http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/breakfast-in-bed-of-hell-and-glimpse-of.html -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 17:05:08 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:05:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <3f2b32881002230625r49f22506wc0fe6d01e30b3815@mail.gmail.com> <7fbead931002230828p40c9b524u8c8ba272d2225048@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Sirs: I once asked an engineer where the "G" spot was. It was like asking Columbus about the New World. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Tue Feb 23 17:08:32 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:08:32 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Speaking of ECO's In-Reply-To: References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <218553A25A6E4A1697ADEB0BE34224CE@home.robinson.org> <4a4431121002230717w4b4c466fob97f84b562e4360b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2719.12.181.211.35.1266944912.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Dear Esteemed Friends and Colleagues: > Snip.. Sorry I missed it. > > Details may be found at: > http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/breakfast-in-bed-of-hell-and-glimpse-of.html > That paint job looks fantastic! Ride Safe, Joe From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 17:10:04 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:10:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: What is the Mac-Book spy thing? -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From mmehalik at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 17:15:51 2010 From: mmehalik at gmail.com (Mark Mehalik) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:15:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: I offer you a tale of the overprivileged, and the schools they choose to employ. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/19/laptop.suit/index.html?iref=allsearch http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/20/laptop.suit/index.html?iref=allsearch With bonus locality ( I am currently seated in that very twp). -mark On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > > What is the Mac-Book spy thing? > > > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack > The Lindbergh Baby > West Chester, Pa > > "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still > have to be nice to them, at first." > ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From wayne at 2zars.com Tue Feb 23 17:17:42 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:17:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT electrical opinion needed In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002211941r62113d0bmac5a63a8108f9131@mail.gmail.com> <12233.12.181.211.35.1266856815.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <3f2b32881002230625r49f22506wc0fe6d01e30b3815@mail.gmail.com> <7fbead931002230828p40c9b524u8c8ba272d2225048@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7fbead931002230917v57279bafw1c14d9dff9ec4cd2@mail.gmail.com> > I once asked an engineer where the "G" spot was. It was like asking > Columbus about the New World. > Did you get GPS coordinates? -- Wayne Woodruff http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From darkside at ix.netcom.com Tue Feb 23 17:18:52 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:18:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again Message-ID: <22632680.1266945532406.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> i'm guessing this might be it http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587034,00.html?test=latestnews peace eric -----Original Message----- >From: Jack Riepe >Sent: Feb 23, 2010 12:10 PM >To: Mark Mehalik >Cc: Mac-Pac >Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again > >What is the Mac-Book spy thing? > > >-- >Fondest regards, >Jack >The Lindbergh Baby >West Chester, Pa > >"Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still >have to be nice to them, at first." >? My Mother, Rita Riepe >_______________________________________________ >Mac-pac-l mailing list >Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From mrmevans at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:00:26 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:00:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Speaking of ECO's In-Reply-To: <2719.12.181.211.35.1266944912.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <16913277.1266886591663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4a4431121002221950p181e5338x848c6492e7a394e3@mail.gmail.com> <8CC8257D6B6033F-51E0-893F@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <218553A25A6E4A1697ADEB0BE34224CE@home.robinson.org> <4a4431121002230717w4b4c466fob97f84b562e4360b@mail.gmail.com> <2719.12.181.211.35.1266944912.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002231000r2ba4857bna2dabb6ddf24197d@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > > That paint job looks fantastic! > > Ride Safe, > That is SOOOO a flashback to airbrush art on Vans in the '70s -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:26:00 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:26:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Why it can't be duplicated Message-ID: <4a4431121002231026u691bc54i5ce3e09433ef6e28@mail.gmail.com> Tom Cutter to me, t42, mac-pac-l show details 11:28 PM (13 hours ago) <> Dan, your efforts were greatly appreciated, as was Tom's generous loan of his ECO. In fact,just last week I was getting a haircut at the salon (shut up you guys) and the girls there were discussing the prom and their rides. They all saw the ECOs at Keri's prom (thousands of local residents gather every year to watch the parade of unusual rides the kids arrange) and they all agreed that the ECOs were the most unique ride that they had ever seen at prom, made moreso by virtue of the fact that nobody will ever be able to duplicate that feat. Tom Cutter Tom, I think you can tell THE REST OF THE STORY now why it can never be duplicated exactly. I think the statute of limitations has expired. Dano From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:58:51 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:58:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ECO righting itself after going down Message-ID: <4a4431121002231058n226db9e4v381ca18634d785af@mail.gmail.com> If you go to "www.youtube.com/crkuhns" then click on "moving forward" then slide the bar at the bottom to the right to less than half way across (to fast forward through the first 3 min 37sec) you will see Beat Gabriel in the silver ECO doing the "Death Spiral." Here the ECO is turned in such a tight circle that the retracted landing gear touches the pavement. The throttle is then chopped. The bike comes to a stop on it's side. Then throttle up, clutch out, turn in and the bike pops back up on it's wheels and rides away! ECO Dano Greensboro NC From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 23 19:14:20 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <1575186940.7649341266951946306.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <41113585.7653471266952460987.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >What is the Mac-Book spy thing? -- Essentially, the web-cam can be activated remotely by another computer in the school network. Most often it is used in labs to view the computers desktop and see exactly what the students are working on. Students usually know that there work is being monitored and so they do not stray to the web, or start playing games. I have never heard of a district using the software to pull up a webcam because that seems like a very bad thing. The only way this worked is because the lap-top was part of the school network and admins had the right to access the desktop remotely. The same software is available for PCs and used in schools. Students probably knew that their work could be monitored in school, but where clueless that it could be used remotely. Jack, you have no reason to worry about it unless someone has installed the software and you have given them the rights to use it. For example my brother in law remotes into my Mom's computer and cleans out the adware and malware that her "friends" send her in their e-mail. Or that she picks up online while at Yahoo games. He is in NY and she is in PA so it is easy for them to do it that way. We give our kids a lot credit for being tech savvy but I have learned after working them in schools that their computer knowledge is limited to certain things. They know: Pirating video or music plagerizing papers and essays Photoshop or other photo manipulation software Games Ways around online security How to "hide" things on computers What they know nothing or very little about: Word processing Spreadsheets Doing useful research on the internet Of course there are exceptions, but I am consistently amazed at what illegal things my students will freely admit doing online. Just one more reason that a child under 18 should never have an online computer in their own room, or private area of the house. Keep the computer in a public room, like the living room and monitor what they are doing constantly. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Tue Feb 23 19:24:41 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <359538019.7659361266953077335.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > Yes indeed, they can do this. > >The non-believers of what is happening around them will say "but it's >for the children, "it's the fight against terroism", it's for the good >of the US". Effing BS. Between cell phones, GM's OnStar stuff, and the >black boxes (event data recorders..yeah sure) in cars, if you cant smell >what is happening around you, you deserve what you get. It is not for the children or to fight terrorism. Its that GW pissed on the Constitution and made it just about worthless, those were his excuses for doing that AND WE LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT, and even re-elected him. The Patriot act is anything but patriotic. Anyway. . . It can happen but look at the numbers. 300 million people in the US. Not everyone has a cell phone, figure maybe about half that 150 million DATA points to monitor. Computers, GPS, Onstar, you are talking about a huge amount of DATA daily. There is no way that any single organization can monitor and organize all of that. Which means that the average schmuck has nothing to worry about. Profiling and other nefarious techniques will be used to filter out who to gather the DATA on, chances are it will not be me. (Maybe they will check out guys stocking up on ammo, just a thought) I am boring and not up to anything that is going to get me in trouble anyway. I am not saying that the stuff doesn't happen, or that it will not happen to me, but the odds are very, very, slim against it. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From bergman at panix.com Tue Feb 23 19:48:57 2010 From: bergman at panix.com (bergman at panix.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:48:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [OT] Re: Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:24:41 GMT." <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31966.1266954537@localhost> Please, this thread began as "Off Topic"...it's still "Off Topic"...I don't ever imagine that it will be "on topic"....Please, please mark it as "OT" in the Subject: In the message dated: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:24:41 GMT, The pithy ruminations from "johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)" on were: => => > Yes indeed, they can do this. => > => >The non-believers of what is happening around them will say "but it's => >for the children, "it's the fight against terroism", it's for the good => >of the US". Effing BS. Between cell phones, GM's OnStar stuff, and the => >black boxes (event data recorders..yeah sure) in cars, if you cant smell => >what is happening around you, you deserve what you get. => => It is not for the children or to fight terrorism. Its that GW pissed on the Constitution and mad => e it just about worthless, those were his excuses for doing that AND WE LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT What do you mean "we"? => , and even re-elected him. The Patriot act is anything but patriotic. Anyway. . . => => It can happen but look at the numbers. 300 million people in the US. Not everyone has a cell ph => one, figure maybe about half that 150 million DATA points to monitor. Computers, GPS, Onstar, yo => u are talking about a huge amount of DATA daily. There is no way that any single organization ca => n monitor and organize all of that. Which means that the average schmuck has nothing to worry ab The monitoring and organization doesn't need to be done by a single organization. In fact, from legal & technical points of view, it's easier and better to have independent, private entities, such as AT&T Wireless, Verizon, Comcast, etc. do the data collection and provide it to the government, often without oversight or subpeonas. The "data" doesn't need to be real-time content from each connection...simply storing metadata about each connection (the end-points, time involved, frequency) is enough to do deep traffic analysis, identifying the targets for whom full-content data should be stored. The meta-data that I refer to...it's already being stored for each and every cell phone and landline phone user world wide...it's called billing data. Even if nothing else works in a phone company, the billing system will work...it's truely the highest priority. I used to work for AT&T (Cingular) Wireless. Yes, there's a lot of data. Yes, it can be monitored. => out. Profiling and other nefarious techniques will be used to filter out who to gather the DATA => on, chances are it will not be me. (Maybe they will check out guys stocking up on ammo, just a t => hought) I am boring and not up to anything that is going to get me in trouble anyway. I dunno. Your email contained the terms: patriot act terrorism constitution black box data gps monitor ammo anonymous America Anyone want to bet that any 3 of those words is enough to trigger (there's another word!) a filter? => => I am not saying that the stuff doesn't happen, or that it will not happen to me, but the odds ar => e very, very, slim against it. I agree, the odds are very, very slim against it. => => John Clauss => K1100RS => R75/6 => In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 23 19:54:38 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:54:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Why it can't be duplicated In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002231026u691bc54i5ce3e09433ef6e28@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002231026u691bc54i5ce3e09433ef6e28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC82D92A8B0FC7-7880-94E@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> <> This will be one of the rare instances where I exercise tact and discretion. (Mark your calendars, folks.) Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:13:08 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:13:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ECO righting itself after going down In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002231058n226db9e4v381ca18634d785af@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002231058n226db9e4v381ca18634d785af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Dan Whitfield wrote: > If you go to "www.youtube.com/crkuhns" then click on "moving forward" > then slide the bar at the bottom to the right to less than half way > across (to fast forward through the first 3 min 37sec) you will see > Beat Gabriel in the silver ECO doing the "Death Spiral." > > Here the ECO is turned in such a tight circle that the retracted > landing gear touches the pavement. The throttle is then chopped. The > bike comes to a stop on it's side. > > Then throttle up, clutch out, turn in and the bike pops back up on > it's wheels and rides away! > Fantastic demo. Here's a more direct link to the "Moving Forward" video: http://www.youtube.com/crkuhns#p/a/u/1/vETsbfkMHog Skip ahead to 3:20 to see the Eco tricks. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 23 20:16:07 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:16:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com><9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC82DC295DE2A7-6070-8@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> <> To a detective, possession of a Drop Phone is prima facie evidence that you are a criminal in the commission of some crime. It may not be illegal, but they will sure look hard to find out why you need one. My Dad taught me that honest people don't need to hide from nor fear their government. I think he would spin in his grave if he knew what the government nannies are doing just because they have the technology, and lack the integrity to control themselves and their ambitions. Buy Ammo. Vote Early and Often. Throw the bastards out of Washington. Eat your Vegetables. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From mrmevans at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:23:58 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:23:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <8CC82DC295DE2A7-6070-8@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> <9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> <8CC82DC295DE2A7-6070-8@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002231223m638917c4tfa88d8e17567ec2f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > To a detective, possession of a Drop Phone is prima facie evidence that you > are a criminal in the commission of some crime. ?It may not be illegal, but > they will sure look hard to find out why you need one. > > My Dad taught me that honest people don't need to hide from nor fear their > government. I think he would spin in his grave if he knew what the > government nannies are doing just because they have the technology, and lack > the integrity to control themselves and their ambitions. > > Buy Ammo. > > Vote Early and Often. > > Throw the bastards out of Washington. > > Eat your Vegetables. > Tom, I'm disappointed...you left off the "...when in doubt, gas it" part. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From motoedde2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:28:51 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:28:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002231223m638917c4tfa88d8e17567ec2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> <9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> <8CC82DC295DE2A7-6070-8@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> <8296f6de1002231223m638917c4tfa88d8e17567ec2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Michael Evans wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: >> Eat your Vegetables. >> > > Tom, I'm disappointed...you left off the "...when in doubt, gas it" part. > He may not be able to do that anymore if all he's eating is vegetables;) -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From jack.riepe at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:43:38 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:43:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <359538019.7659361266953077335.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Dear Mr. Clauss: You and I have been friendly acquaintances for a long time, and I would like to keep it that way. In fact, I'd even like to go on other rides with you as I believe you add a lot to a conversation. I try hard not to engage in political exchanges on this forum as I believe this is one of the few groups where literate individuals routinely put their money where their mouths are, and follow through on everything they say they are going to do. I believe this is one group of people who are committed in their politics, their respective religions, and in preserving the rights of their friends. So I have never considered challenging the politics of those who feel differently than I do. But you said something today that I feels requires a little elaboration and clarification. I have grown used to the rants of anti-Republicans singling out the shortcomings (real or imaginary) of the conservative right. But your attack on George W. Bush today struck a chord with me, that I would like to bring up, with your permission. (And I am not really going to ask, but I am going to assume I have it.) For six years, I thought George W. Bush was the slow-moving target of smart-assed leftists, tree-hugging frog kissers, and peripherist assholes who would have us all wearing crystals and tin foil pyramid hats. Yet in the last two years of his endless administration of stupidity, bottomless self-serving greed, and backroom deals that literally replaced the statue on the top of the Capitol dome with a red flashing "the-whores-are-in" light, I saw countless examples of badly drafted legislation that did nothing but defecate o the Constitution rights of the average American. Oh that little prick and his band of pimps kept the headline stuff on track ? like publicly preserving the elements of gun ownership ? while flagrantly disregarding long-standing legislation that prevented the Federal government from spying on citizens and maintaining huge illegal data bases that a Democratic Congress attempted to shut down at least five times. George W. Bush and the minions that shuffled privacy policy around the White House did it not in the belief that they were saving the country, but for other reasons, undoubted relating to billions of dollars of federal contracts for things like untested RFID chips, half-assed registered traveler type programs, and other obscure policies all relating to complex automated systems that maintain lists in open defiance of the Privacy Act of 1972. After spending billions of dollars on these systems, we got to see how well they worked when an alleged Nigerian terrorist simply boarded a plane with the explosives attached to his leg. Many of the whores entrusted to national security under George W are now representatives of companies sellimg these fucked up security systems to airport authorities, federal agencies, and states. Yet it cannot be denied that the Bowing Barry Inaction figure currently lurking in the White House has been quietly building upon Georgie W's legacy of stupidity when it comes to privacy. The plans for those illegal watch lists are not only moving along under Barry, but getting a boost. DHS has $400 million earmarked for a new headquarters, despite the fact that this incredibly ineffective federal agency has not had a director for a full year, is routinely graded by the GAO as virtually imept when it comes to computer security, and is currently squeezing state governments to turn over all driving records for yet another federal security program banned by the Privacy Act of 1972, and deemed actually dangerous by many security experts. Just one year ago, Democratic governors across the nation stood up and called GW's lackeys in DHS real assholes with no right to impose these programs on the states. Where are these governors and elected officials now, under Bowing Barry? They're looking to see how the precedents set by George W. can benefit them. I could not agree with you more that no one shit on the Constitution with vigor and volume like George Bush. But you are only kidding yourself if you think this empty suit in the White House is any kind of an improvement over George W. when it comes to preserving privacy rights on the individual. I miss your comments to my blog, and can only hope that any offense I may offered you will fade in the course of time. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From ephoet at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 22:07:16 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:07:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Why it can't be duplicated In-Reply-To: <8CC82D92A8B0FC7-7880-94E@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> References: <4a4431121002231026u691bc54i5ce3e09433ef6e28@mail.gmail.com> <8CC82D92A8B0FC7-7880-94E@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > < be duplicated exactly. ?I think the statute of limitations has > expired.>> > > This will be one of the rare instances where I exercise tact and > discretion. (Mark your calendars, folks.) > > > Tom Cutter > _______________________________________________ Some statutes have no limitations............ and "Discretion is the better part of valor," --- Falstaff, another tacky and discretionary fellow! Henry The Fourth, Part 1 Act 5, scene 4, 115?121 Erik Hoet just helping you out, Tom! From motoedde2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 22:20:01 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:20:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: References: <359538019.7659361266953077335.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Mr. Clauss: > > But you said something today that I feels requires a little > elaboration and clarification. I have grown used to the rants of > anti-Republicans singling out the shortcomings (real or imaginary) of > the conservative right. But your attack on George W. Bush today struck > a chord with me, that I would like to bring up, with your permission. > (And I am not really going to ask, but I am going to assume I have > it.) Jack, You failed to mention George's legislative impact on the additives to motor oil. Which begs the questions...what are you putting in your K75 these days? -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From bmwbrian at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 22:47:18 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:47:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Maybe OT: Soup Boots Message-ID: When can we expect a product review in Twisted Roads? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7NztgwB1Pg (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From tpcutter at aol.com Tue Feb 23 23:39:50 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:39:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002231223m638917c4tfa88d8e17567ec2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> <9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> <8CC82DC295DE2A7-6070-8@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> <8296f6de1002231223m638917c4tfa88d8e17567ec2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC82F8A05489A1-5C48-1497@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com> <> I forgot. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Evans To: Tom Cutter Cc: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us; mac-pac-l at jtan.com Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again From jasiii at earthlink.net Wed Feb 24 00:03:22 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:03:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again Message-ID: <11601844.1266969802320.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > ><part.>> > >I forgot. > >Tom Cutter >Yardley, PA Gee someone must be getting old in Yardley Jim (getting older here in Delaware) James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 00:42:27 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:42:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: A personal best Message-ID: breaking the sound barrier "by yourself" as in no fixed external structures. http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/195500.asp (WS) "The "Red Bull Stratos" team Tuesday gave more details about just how Austrian pilot Felix Baumgartner plans to break the sound barrier in free-falling from 120,000 feet, before parachuting to Earth" Supporting article: http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/191980.asp (WS) -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From motoedde2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 00:47:48 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:47:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: A personal best In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > breaking the sound barrier "by yourself" as in no fixed external structures. > > http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/195500.asp > (WS) > > "The "Red Bull Stratos" team Tuesday gave more details about just how > Austrian pilot Felix Baumgartner plans to break the sound barrier in > free-falling from 120,000 feet, before parachuting to Earth" > > Supporting article: > http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/191980.asp > (WS) I think I met this guy once in Morocco...he prefers KTMs by the way... http://www.autoevolution.com/news-image/base-jumper-felix-baumgartner-buys-a-ktm-14824-1.html -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From jaburke4 at verizon.net Wed Feb 24 00:48:36 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:48:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B83DEE1.9050504@whatever2k.com> <9468.12.181.211.35.1266939076.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <8296f6de1002230803p79a9c8ddq245c1ba5d3385c00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have the original iphone which does not have a GPS unit in it like the current models. Just the same when the maps program was updated a couple years ago for using gps in the next series of phones, it was also updated to use the phone towers and local wifi to triangulate location. Even with the margin of error built into this system, more times than note the phone will locate itself within a block of where I am. This accuracy seems to be improving too. When at home the phone would think I was about a mile or so north. Now it knows I am home! There was talk at one time of using cell phone signals to determine traffic flow and speeds on certain highways but I think that privacy issues shot that down. John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From jaburke4 at verizon.net Wed Feb 24 00:52:01 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:52:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <41113585.7653471266952460987.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <41113585.7653471266952460987.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <99AE4C83-F038-4772-BFA3-6777D896469F@verizon.net> What gets me a out this is that there is a little green led that shines from the camera when it is activated. Its very obvious! This should give a hint that something was amiss. John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From jaburke4 at verizon.net Wed Feb 24 00:54:01 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:54:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [OT] Re: Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <31966.1266954537@localhost> References: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <31966.1266954537@localhost> Message-ID: Funny just got this offer in an email for accessing my Mac from afar. https://secure.logmein.com/us/products/free/mac/default.aspx?originid=6588&destination=/US/products/free/mac/Default.aspx&WT.mc_id=6364 John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From jasiii at earthlink.net Wed Feb 24 01:20:37 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:20:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again Message-ID: <27114000.1266974437790.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >What gets me a out this is that there is a little green led that >shines from the camera when it is activated. Its very obvious! This >should give a hint that something was amiss. >John Burkhauser That can be disabled with the right software and a good administrator Jim (no cameras on my Mac or my Evil Empire computers) James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 01:31:19 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:31:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Think this energy drink will give Red Bull a run for its money? Message-ID: http://www.pussydrinks.com/home.html (WS, really) Look at all the good ingredients in it: http://www.pussydrinks.com/pussy.html -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 24 02:22:24 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:22:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way, way OT: Chow Time Message-ID: <4B844710.620.1E9DF142@localhost> http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=u7jCAS zMUKw&v=gMiCt6NCzow Ride safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From jack.riepe at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 02:31:16 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:31:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Maybe OT: Soup Boots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sir: Twisted Roads is a blog dedicated to bikers and motorcycle riding. Even a casual glance at the "Soup Boots" in question will reveal they are of the soft, gummy rubber type that afford no protection to a rider. We are looking at doing a product review of a riding boot that can be used as a condom, for Mac Pac riders who swear they've got a third foot below the belt. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 24 02:32:06 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:32:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Way, way OT: Chow Time In-Reply-To: <4B844710.620.1E9DF142@localhost> References: <4B844710.620.1E9DF142@localhost> Message-ID: >http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=u7jCAS >zMUKw&v=gMiCt6NCzow shorter URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMiCt6NCzow great stuff, thanks for sharing! Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From rdlebout at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 02:42:15 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:42:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles Message-ID: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering how electric (quiet) bikes will be used for illegal activities. It never takes long for new technologies to be implemented. Help me out, I just finished work and I am brain dead. 1. helping our southern brothers (Mexican) make it to the land of plenty. 2. Purse snatching on city sidewalks (maybe rider with passenger) 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From rsorens at comcast.net Wed Feb 24 02:42:52 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:42:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <362396757FF34925BB92B9CA1C9AB421@Tekki> >...means that the average schmuck has nothing to worry about.... Unless you stick your head up and make some noise....then you become a target. The Japanese have a saying: 'the nail that sticks up gets hammered down.' If you're gonna make noise, keep you head down and have plenty of ammo! From wayne at 2zars.com Wed Feb 24 02:39:23 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:39:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Maybe OT: Soup Boots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5749o5tlkeccm686m11mi1lo654rub09fr@4ax.com> > for Mac Pac riders who swear they've got a >third foot below the belt. Dear Dear Sir Sir, To coin a photographic term, that would be a human tripod. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 03:42:38 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:42:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <362396757FF34925BB92B9CA1C9AB421@Tekki> References: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <362396757FF34925BB92B9CA1C9AB421@Tekki> Message-ID: On 2/23/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: > > If you're gonna make noise, keep you head down and have plenty of ammo! But NO BOMBS. I HATE BOMBS. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 14:27:40 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:27:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona In-Reply-To: <2a937ecc1002221948n73e44985q5f8074e9bbb14e@mail.gmail.com> References: <045b01cab407$86b24040$4101a8c0@FastHP> <2a937ecc1002221948n73e44985q5f8074e9bbb14e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Greg Roberts wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Marge Busch wrote: >> Anyone going to Daytona this year? >> >> Marge > > Ayup. ?Debbie and I are planning on leaving Thursday morning. > > Greg Roberts > Wadley, AL There's a 50/50 chance I'll go. If I do I'll leave Wed night March 3, and I would camp at Holiday Travel Park again. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 15:05:26 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:05:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona In-Reply-To: References: <045b01cab407$86b24040$4101a8c0@FastHP> <2a937ecc1002221948n73e44985q5f8074e9bbb14e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002240705x60184a08xf090371eba182d83@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Greg Roberts wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Marge Busch wrote: >>> Anyone going to Daytona this year? >>> >>> Marge >> >> Ayup. ?Debbie and I are planning on leaving Thursday morning. >> >> Greg Roberts >> Wadley, AL > > There's a 50/50 chance I'll go. > > If I do I'll leave Wed night March 3, and I would camp at Holiday > Travel Park again. Come on down Doug! Your welcome to use our beach (near Ponce Inlet) for your traditional ice plunge. My cell# 336 991 7447 ECO Dan From kgbruce at verizon.net Wed Feb 24 15:58:31 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:58:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER..TONIGHT!!! Message-ID: <1AE32141214746C18CDDFF19CA5B7BA7@lenovo4903350b> GET OUT FOR DINNER TONIGHT BEFORE WE'RE SNOWED IN AGAIN!! Meine Damen und Herren, Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare for the February Riders' Dinner! It is only fitting that we patronize a "roundel" restaurant. So, on Wednesday, February 24th, at 6:30 we will convene our monthly Riders' Dinner at Otto's Brauhaus in Horsham, PA, purveyor of fine Bavarian fare. http://www.ottosbrauhauspa.com/index.htm Otto's is located at 233 Easton Road, Horsham, PA 19044. Ahh, I can hear the accordion music now...can't you just taste the authentic Rauchfleisch and smell the Schweinepfeffer wafting through the rarified Bavarian air? Otto's menu has something for everyone from Wiener Schnitzel, to chicken cheesesteaks. Even the most discerning palate can find something to love at Otto's. One might ask..."Does Otto's have beer?" One might ask that but one would look like a DUMBKOFF! Does Otto's have beer?....Can Rolly play the guitar??? OF COURSE!! VAT EES GEHMUN FOOD VEETOUT BEEYAH?!? It would be like Raymond without a breakdown, Cutter without a clever comment, Sestrich without a sling, Christman without a camera, Curry without an interpreter, Lyba with no Bush, Jack with no Dick..... So, (deutsche)mark you calendars for Wednesday, February 24th @ 6:30 for the RIDERS' DINNER and enjoy (tolerate) the companionship of your fellow riders. If you can, let me know ahead of time so I can give the restaurant a count. If you don't know 'til the last minute, just show up. If the weather sucks, cage it...if the roads are clear (which may happen somewhere around Easter).....do whatever you want just BE THERE!! Eets not dat deefeekult. Get yo ahss to za ridazz deenah!! Ken Bruce From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 16:02:51 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:02:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER..TONIGHT!!! In-Reply-To: <1AE32141214746C18CDDFF19CA5B7BA7@lenovo4903350b> References: <1AE32141214746C18CDDFF19CA5B7BA7@lenovo4903350b> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Ken Bruce wrote: > > GET OUT FOR DINNER TONIGHT BEFORE WE'RE SNOWED IN AGAIN!! > > ?Meine Damen und Herren, > > ?Break out your lederhosen, put on your favorite OOM PA PA c.d. and prepare > ?for the February Riders' Dinner! .... > > ?Eets not dat deefeekult. ?Get yo ahss to za ridazz deenah!! > Ken, I've studied the language for years, but I swear your accent is better than mine. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From darkside at ix.netcom.com Wed Feb 24 18:10:58 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:10:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT.. OT... OT... Socorro NM? Message-ID: <11844282.1267035058451.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> so is anyone on list familiar with Socorro NM? if so, please ping me offlist. i'm just curious about any nice areas of the town vs. areas to avoid. tia peace eric From willweir at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 18:47:47 2010 From: willweir at gmail.com (Will Weir) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:47:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Humor. Message-ID: Wal-Mart announced that, sometime in 2010, it will begin offering customers a new discount item - Wal-Mart's own brand of wine.The world's largest retail chain is teaming up with Ernest & Julio Gallo Winery of California to produce the spirits at an affordable price, in the $2 - $5 range. Wine connoisseurs may not be inclined to put a bottle of Walmart brand into their shopping carts, but "there is a market for inexpensive wine," said Kathy Micken, professor of marketing at the University of Arkansas . "But the right name is important." Customer surveys were conducted to determine the most attractive name for the Walmart wine brand. The top surveyed names in order of popularity were: 10. Chateau Traileur Parc 9. White Trashfindel 8. Big Red Gulp 7. World Championship Riesling 6. NASCARbernet 5. Chef Boyardeaux 4. Peanut Noir 3. I Can't Believe it's not Vinegar 2. Grape Expectations 1. Nasti Spumante The beauty of Walmart wine is that it can be served with either white meat (Possum) or red meat (Squirrel). P.S. Don't bother writing back that this is a hoax. I know possum is not a white meat. From hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 18:53:21 2010 From: hugh.p.mccann at gmail.com (hugh mccann) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:53:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] On topic actually, SFW, a few PG-13s (Caveat lector) Message-ID: http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/39-motorcycle-motivational-posters--1-other.htm Hugh Collegeville, PA 2007 f650GS "Thumper" From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 19:04:33 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:04:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] On topic actually, SFW, a few PG-13s (Caveat lector) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, hugh mccann wrote: > http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/39-motorcycle-motivational-posters--1-other.htm > > > Hugh > Collegeville, PA > _______________________________________________ Site photos don't download with either IE 6 or FF 3.6 EPH From petebphotog at yahoo.com Wed Feb 24 19:06:19 2010 From: petebphotog at yahoo.com (pete bannan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:06:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] big brother has a face Message-ID: <356823.71372.qm@web52804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2010/02/24/main_line_times/news/lmspygate/doc4b855c720aa56234120422.txt From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 19:21:04 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:21:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] On topic actually, SFW, a few PG-13s (Caveat lector) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/24/10, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, hugh mccann wrote: > > http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/39-motorcycle-motivational-posters--1-other.htm > > _______________________________________________ > > Site photos don't download with either IE 6 or FF 3.6 Does in FF 3.5.3 Took a lot longer in IE7. Maybe there are controls on your pipe? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 19:23:14 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:23:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] big brother has a face In-Reply-To: <356823.71372.qm@web52804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <356823.71372.qm@web52804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 2/24/10, pete bannan wrote: > http://www.mainlinemedianews.com/articles/2010/02/24/main_line_times/news/lmspygate/doc4b855c720aa56234120422.txt And it is a WOMAN... Figures... (Now where is my hole and large rock???) Notice the graphic credits. Mac-Pac they can be everywhere.... She IS emoting like crazy. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From antifreeze at earthlink.net Wed Feb 24 19:50:55 2010 From: antifreeze at earthlink.net (antifreeze at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:50:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fw: Ducati, Triumph, BMW & Victory Service Center Message-ID: <5637931.1267041055363.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100224/f2c29bd3/attachment.html From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 19:54:40 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:54:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] On topic actually, SFW, a few PG-13s (Caveat lector) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/24/10, Erik Hoet wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, hugh mccann wrote: >> ?> http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/39-motorcycle-motivational-posters--1-other.htm > >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> ?Site photos don't download with either IE 6 or FF 3.6 > > Does in FF 3.5.3 > > Took a lot longer in IE7. > > Maybe there are controls on your pipe? > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- perhaps, its behind a firewall. Speed is not an issue But I rarely see this issue on any other website. must be some unique coding that mother boeing doesn't like.... 29 Mb/s download to St Louis. 11Mb/s upload From darkside at ix.netcom.com Wed Feb 24 20:17:38 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:17:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fw: Ducati, Triumph, BMW & Victory Service Center Message-ID: <5980632.1267042658894.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> i did not see those bikes listed on the website, but sent off an email anyway just to be sure. thanks for the info. peace eric -----Original Message----- >From: antifreeze at earthlink.net >Sent: Feb 24, 2010 2:50 PM >To: mac-pac-l at jtan.com >Subject: [MAC-PAC] Fw: Ducati, Triumph, BMW & Victory Service Center > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100224/f2c29bd3/attachment.html >_______________________________________________ >Mac-pac-l mailing list >Mac-pac-l at jtan.com >http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From kaldewaay at live.com Wed Feb 24 20:46:47 2010 From: kaldewaay at live.com (Kaldewaay) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:46:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dinner Message-ID: Dear macpac, Due to problems with our driveway we will not make the monthly dinner. We 185 tons of stone to move before the snow comes again. Have fun Alain & Susie Sent from Alain Kaldewaay IPhone From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 24 20:51:08 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:51:08 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] On topic actually, SFW, a few PG-13s (Caveat lector) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14937.12.181.211.35.1267044668.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On 2/24/10, Erik Hoet wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, hugh mccann >> wrote: >> > http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/39-motorcycle-motivational-posters--1-other.htm > >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> Site photos don't download with either IE 6 or FF 3.6 > > Does in FF 3.5.3 > > Took a lot longer in IE7. > > Maybe there are controls on your pipe? > Works in IE7.0 for me and FF 3.5.7. Great posters BTW. Ride Safe, Joe From ephoet at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 20:50:57 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:50:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dinner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Kaldewaay wrote: > Dear macpac, > Due to problems with our driveway we will not make the monthly dinner. > We 185 tons of stone to move before the snow comes again. > > Have fun Alain & Susie > _______________________________________________ Better hurry, snow starts after midnight! Erik From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Wed Feb 24 20:53:42 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:53:42 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dinner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16014.12.181.211.35.1267044822.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Kaldewaay wrote: >> Dear macpac, >> Due to problems with our driveway we will not make the monthly dinner. >> We 185 tons of stone to move before the snow comes again. >> >> Have fun Alain & Susie > >> _______________________________________________ > > Better hurry, snow starts after midnight! > Great. I can take the long ride home :-) Ride Safe, Joe From rcavalie at verizon.net Wed Feb 24 21:39:42 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:39:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER!!!! In-Reply-To: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KXZ00600N9TFF1A@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000601cab599$e39dbdf0$aad939d0$@net> Ken, Joanne & I will attend tonight's dinner. Poutine-free, Rick Cavaliere 2009 K1300GT 1985 K100RT -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bruce Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:39 AM To: 'MAC-PAC' Subject: [MAC-PAC] FEBRUARY RIDERS' DINNER!!!! SNIP From mrmevans at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 22:58:46 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:58:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Looks like Riding Gets Pushed Back a Bit More... Message-ID: <8296f6de1002241458q563100bbwd76c8bdb683afe7@mail.gmail.com> ...except for Doug, of course. I wonder when he'll get the BMW factory plow accessory installed on his bike. Playing right into Jack's "White Death" blog reports, weatherchannel.com offers this ditty regarding the pending snow storm: "A Winter Storm Warning is in effect. A significant winter storm or hazardous winter weather is occurring, imminent, or likely, and is a threat to life and property. Stay vigilant for severe weather." Good thing we have all that Big Brother GPS technology so rescuers can find us when necessary. Jack, how is your stock of Tomato Soup holding up? -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 00:02:53 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:02:53 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Looks like Riding Gets Pushed Back a Bit More... In-Reply-To: <8296f6de1002241458q563100bbwd76c8bdb683afe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <8296f6de1002241458q563100bbwd76c8bdb683afe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/24/10, Michael Evans wrote: > ...except for Doug, of course. I wonder when he'll get the BMW factory > plow accessory installed on his bike. I was out today. So, that I can say that I rode in Feb. One more of the non-pussies. I even got the driveway completely ice free too!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jasiii at earthlink.net Thu Feb 25 00:08:27 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:08:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dinner Message-ID: <11825705.1267056507231.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Dear macpac, >Due to problems with our driveway we will not make the monthly dinner. >We 185 tons of stone to move before the snow comes again. > >Have fun Alain & Susie > Susie will be real tired and hungry after moving all those stones Good luck to both of you Jim James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 00:47:20 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:47:20 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: All the cool stuff happens up in "Oh, Canada".... Message-ID: http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/campaigns/church_now_clothing_optional_sfw_147072.asp (WS) Hope they have some towels for the pews. Must be interesting seeing the folks arrive this time of year, when it is nipply out. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 00:56:05 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:56:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". Message-ID: I suspect no one here is so dense and eligible for winning a Darwin award but for those that might know some who are brain dead but still breathing and moving, here are some TEST RESULTS with DATA of "how much of a problem should this issue really be." http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept (WS) >From my read of this. Toyota might be guilty of not anticipating a stupid enough idiot. The accidents might just have been Darwin in action. If so, should they or their heirs be getting a monetary award? Lastly, no one send this to a Congress critter. They might get the feeling that they have a lick of sense when they don't. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 01:06:34 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:06:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Would you be intimidated, or start laughing like mad??? Message-ID: http://thxforthe.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/tacticool.jpg (WS) You might not have to have good aim. The blinding lights might be enough of an effect. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 25 01:08:23 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:08:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Looks like Riding Gets Pushed Back a Bit More... In-Reply-To: References: <8296f6de1002241458q563100bbwd76c8bdb683afe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC83CE29814E5F-ACC-5EA7@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> <> What a wuss! I even rode today, about ten miles. It was the fifth or sixth ride I have had this month. My first race of the season is less than a month away... Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 25 01:10:41 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:10:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Dinner In-Reply-To: <11825705.1267056507231.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11825705.1267056507231.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC83CE7BB3EBE7-ACC-5F37@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> Pac- I was exhausted after thinking about helping Alain and Susie move 185 tons of stone, so I took a nap, from which I just awakened at 8:09 PM. Sorry I missed you guys, and sorry I didn't go help Alain and Susie. My chiropractor and cardiologist are also sorry I didn't go move stone. They have bills to pay. Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 01:51:35 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:51:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Now this is reassuring, in a "Cyber War" the US would loose Message-ID: http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/security-expert-us-would-lose-cyber-war-730 (WS) And the answer is "Write a new bill to say 'Don't let that happen!'" I am SO reassured... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 25 02:05:41 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:05:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Men multitasking Message-ID: <4B8594A5.6258.23B4EF77@localhost> My sister sent me this. Very funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY0Qq66N9NI Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From bmwdick at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 15:37:19 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:37:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Gary: Nice pix. They made me whine for better weather. Dick On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... > > Here's some from an earlier rideabout........my wife needed to be in > Penn State and she said she had a ride home if I could get her there. > That's a good excuse for a ride. > > > > > http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cabin-07/11266521_qXK32#794138131_mydH6 > > _______________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100222/680c1d11/attachment.html From royer.scott at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 23:56:33 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:56:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [OT] Re: Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <31966.1266954537@localhost> References: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <31966.1266954537@localhost> Message-ID: <10b68dab1002231556p1d5fbe04q2f322afee0c6491a@mail.gmail.com> Mark, Mac-Pac is so far from a motorcycle list these days that 99.9% of everything is motorcycle (much less BMW motorcycle) related. At this point, it is like anything motorcycle related is off topic. SR On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM, wrote: > > > Please, this thread began as "Off Topic"...it's still "Off Topic"...I don't > ever imagine that it will be "on topic"....Please, please mark it as "OT" > in > the Subject: > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100223/f3da49f5/attachment.html From royer.scott at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 00:05:04 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:05:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: References: <359538019.7659361266953077335.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <10b68dab1002231605l7cb2374o262e07b3633211b6@mail.gmail.com> Jack, You haven't said anything to try to offend me for a long time, and I miss it. I always figured an insult from you was like a big wet kiss Scott On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Mr. Clauss: > > I miss your comments to my blog, and can only hope that any offense I > may offered you will fade in the course of time. > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack > The Lindbergh Baby > West Chester, Pa > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100223/4688d992/attachment.html From rtill6 at aol.com Wed Feb 24 00:43:15 2010 From: rtill6 at aol.com (rtill6 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:43:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ECO Message-ID: <8CC83017BEA5742-33C8-19B2@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> All What is an ECO? Gordon From rtill6 at aol.com Wed Feb 24 01:38:57 2010 From: rtill6 at aol.com (rtill6 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:38:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT ramblings Message-ID: <8CC830944579BA5-33C8-27DF@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Off our rockers acting crazy and with the right medication we won't be lazy Doin the old folks boogie down on the farm wheel chairs they were locked arm in arm Paired off pacemakers with matching alarms gives you just one more chance to spin one more yarn And you know that you are over the hill when your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill Just a thought Gordon From jack.riepe at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 03:21:36 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:21:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ECO In-Reply-To: <8CC83017BEA5742-33C8-19B2@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC83017BEA5742-33C8-19B2@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Dear Gordon: This is: http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/breakfast-in-bed-of-hell-and-glimpse-of.html An ECO is when you take $80,000, throw in down a hole in Switzerland, and hear the noise of it hitting the bottom over and over again. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:43 PM, wrote: > All > > > What is an ECO? ? Gordon > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From jack.riepe at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 03:23:09 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:23:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] [OT] Re: Big Brother strikes again In-Reply-To: <10b68dab1002231556p1d5fbe04q2f322afee0c6491a@mail.gmail.com> References: <645656186.7659381266953081383.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <31966.1266954537@localhost> <10b68dab1002231556p1d5fbe04q2f322afee0c6491a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Mr. Royer: Please read Twisted Roads if you want motorcycle content 24/7 http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/breakfast-in-bed-of-hell-and-glimpse-of.html -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From Braveirwin at aol.com Thu Feb 25 03:39:18 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:39:18 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] ECO Message-ID: <4f192.4bda86d5.38b74ae6@aol.com> In a message dated 2/24/2010 10:09:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rtill6 at aol.com writes: What is an ECO? Gordon ================================ See Jack's last blog entry. Roddy. From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 04:39:03 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:39:03 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > I suspect no one here is so dense and eligible for winning a Darwin > award but for those that might know some who are brain dead but still > breathing and moving, here are some TEST RESULTS with DATA of "how > much of a problem should this issue really be." > > http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept > (WS) > > >From my read of this. ?Toyota might be guilty of not anticipating a > stupid enough idiot. ?The accidents might just have been Darwin in > action. ?If so, should they or their heirs be getting a monetary > award? > > Lastly, no one send this to a Congress critter. ?They might get the > feeling that they have a lick of sense when they don't. > > Brian, this is a very interesting test by Car and Driver of runaway cars. Though I can't quite decode your text, I think you are saying "this is operator error" and I agree. That is, once the car starts running away for any reason, you should be able to recover in a few seconds by doing one of the obvious things: braking real hard, shifting to neutral (or park! I didn't know this was OK too!), or turning off the key (true, on some Toyotas, there is a pushbutton rather than a key, and you would have to know to press it for at least 3 seconds). Whatever causes the runaway cars, I can't believe it was ever a 'sticking accelerator pedal', and I have yet to hear evidence that such a thing was ever found or reproduced. Yet they are 'fixing' 4 million cars for this, by inserting a 1/16" (approx) metal shim to limit the pedal travel. Sounds completely absurd. I would love to see a link describing how this fix is supposed to work. As some one else suggested, the real fix may be that Toyota is quietly upgrading the software during the pedal recall, so that the brake will always override the accelerator when both are pressed. There is no question that this will completely cure the problem, however it is initiated. How can so much fuss and money be spent without finding the true cause? Where are the automotive engineers when you need them? I can't believe any of them accept the currently spread nonsense about the sticking gas pedal. Yes, I know that floor mats may have caused some of these cases. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 04:58:01 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:58:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/24/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept > "this is operator error" and I agree. That is, once the car starts > running away for any reason, you should be able to recover in a few > seconds by doing one of the obvious things: braking real hard, > shifting to neutral (or park! I didn't know this was OK too!), or > turning off the key (true, on some Toyotas, there is a pushbutton > rather than a key, and you would have to know to press it for at least > 3 seconds). Same as it was for the Audi 5000. What 15 years ago. You have never accidentally tried to put a trans into park while still moving. It is not happy. Nor being put in reverse, although that generates a LOT of wheel spin, or lack thereof in the right direction. > such a thing was ever found or reproduced. Yet they are 'fixing' 4 > million cars for this, by inserting a 1/16" (approx) metal shim to > limit the pedal travel. Sounds completely absurd. I would love to > see a link describing how this fix is supposed to work. Joe Dille provided one. It is seen as "doing something" when the PR machine is at full howl. It limits the amount that the "drag" can increase. It may create new problems while not allowing others to occur. > As some one else suggested, the real fix may be that Toyota is quietly > upgrading the software during the pedal recall, so that the brake will > always override the accelerator when both are pressed. There is no > question that this will completely cure the problem, however it is > initiated. I kinda doubt it. If found out they were doing that, the PR machine would go to double full howl. > How can so much fuss and money be spent without finding the true > cause? Becauses something has to be done NOW!!!!!! After all 34 people have died. That we likely have lost more than that due to drowning in dihydrogne monoxide is not an issue. Can't sue the world for having water around. Plus you have King Canute advisers polishing their pomposity hats. Where are the automotive engineers when you need them? They are there. Kept hidden away. You don't want them saying "we don't know there is not enough DATA. We are only guessing right now." That is part of the strategic maneuvering. I > can't believe any of them accept the currently spread nonsense about > the sticking gas pedal. Yes, I know that floor mats may have caused > some of these cases. Don't go for a PR job. You want facts and data to make a decision. When it is all policital and PR nothing has to be rational. Just something has to be DONE NOW. If they had been trained by Tom Cutter, they would have known "When it doubt gas it" and punch that throttle harder..... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 05:12:08 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:12:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a4431121002242112l6c6f5df8t6fac9dde1ff3e324@mail.gmail.com> > Whatever causes the runaway cars, I can't believe it was ever a > 'sticking accelerator pedal', and I have yet to hear evidence that > such a thing was ever found or reproduced. ?Yet they are 'fixing' 4 > million cars for this, by inserting a 1/16" (approx) metal shim to > limit the pedal travel. ?Sounds completely absurd. ?I would love to > see a link describing how this fix is supposed to work. > > As some one else suggested, the real fix may be that Toyota is quietly > upgrading the software during the pedal recall, so that the brake will > always override the accelerator when both are pressed. ?There is no > question that this will completely cure the problem, however it is > initiated. > > How can so much fuss and money be spent without finding the true > cause? ?Where are the automotive engineers when you need them? ?I > can't believe any of them accept the currently spread nonsense about > the sticking gas pedal. ?Yes, I know that floor mats may have caused > some of these cases. > > -- > -- --------------- > Doug Raymond > R1150RT '02 > Ambler, PA The foreign car (and motorcycle) companies have been dancing around safety issues for years. I had a Kawasaki F5 in 1970 that had seven wheel hubs come apart releasing spokes as the flanges broke away from the hub (six rear, one front). I had the aluminum sent to a lab for grade testing. It came back: "This alloy is not to be used for load bearing applications. It is used for decorative castings only." I took it to Ralph Nader's group in D.C. They said that too much time had passed to go to court with it. So nothing happened to correct the screw up. Dano From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 05:13:10 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:13:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ECO In-Reply-To: <8CC83017BEA5742-33C8-19B2@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC83017BEA5742-33C8-19B2@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:43 PM, wrote: > All > > > What is an ECO? ? Gordon The Ecomobile is an enclosed cabin motorcycle, built in Switzerland. About three of them are in the USA, and two of these are operated by MacPac'rs Dan Whitfield and Tom Mohn. They are really fun and really expensive. An overview with details: http://designapplause.com/2008/ecomobile/85/ -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 25 11:20:46 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:20:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4B8616BE.19504.1683181@localhost> TEST RESULTS with DATA of "how > much of a problem should this issue really be." > > http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept > (WS) > > Thanks. This is just what they did for Audi in the 1980's. All makes sense. Data are good. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From wayne at 2zars.com Thu Feb 25 11:29:33 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:29:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT ramblings In-Reply-To: <8CC830944579BA5-33C8-27DF@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC830944579BA5-33C8-27DF@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >Off our rockers >acting crazy >and with the right medication >we won't be lazy > >Doin the old folks boogie >down on the farm >wheel chairs they were >locked arm in arm > >Paired off pacemakers >with matching alarms >gives you just one more chance >to spin one more yarn > >And you know >that you are over the hill >when your mind makes a promise > that your body can't fill I've been in my house ~20 years, it was new construction. About 12 years ago, we paid a flooring company to install a new floor and they installed it over the existing floor. Well, it's time for a new floor and I decided that I would install the new laminate. Rather than make layer 3, I decided to remove the current floor, which is vinyl, and install the laminate over the original vinyl floor. The flooring company's installer must have gotten a new staple gun that day because they installed staples EVERY 1/4" ALONG THE SEAMS of the new luan sub floor. My kitchen is ~12' x 22'; do you have any idea how many fucking staples this asshole used? My 17 YO son wanted to hunt down the installer and put staples in his head. I just want to kill him in the slowest, most painful way I can think. I started removing the floor last Friday night and we completed the removal Saturday. Every muscle in my body ached. It didn't help that I stopped going to the gym a couple of years ago. As I was soaking my aching body in the tub Saturday evening, I was singing this song to myself. I repeated the last chorus about a billion times. The icing on he cake was I dehydrated myself Saturday and formed a kidney stone that I passed Tuesday evening. And you know that you are over the hill when your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill Truer words were never spoken. Fucking staples. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 25 11:53:57 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:53:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B861E85.20056.1869304@localhost> > On 2/24/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > > > http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept > > > "this is operator error" and I agree. That is, once the car starts > > running away for any reason, you should be able to recover in a few > > seconds by doing one of the obvious things: braking real hard, > > shifting to neutral (or park! I didn't know this was OK too!), or > > turning off the key (true, on some Toyotas, there is a pushbutton > > rather than a key, and you would have to know to press it for at least > > 3 seconds). > > Same as it was for the Audi 5000. What 15 years ago. > > You have never accidentally tried to put a trans into park while still > moving. It is not happy. Nor being put in reverse, although that > generates a LOT of wheel spin, or lack thereof in the right direction. > I think you would need to be really motivated to put it into park at speed. The noise is fantastic. We did this in Drivers Ed (while the instructor was in another car), it did not work. We also tried putting it in reverse. This only works at low speed. Neutral is the gear you want. > > > such a thing was ever found or reproduced. Yet they are 'fixing' 4 > > million cars for this, by inserting a 1/16" (approx) metal shim to > > limit the pedal travel. Sounds completely absurd. I would love to > > see a link describing how this fix is supposed to work. > > Joe Dille provided one. > I did provide links. I don't have them handy. I found links showing the problem (the closest thing to a root cause that I have found) at http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com Warning: The data is good. The discussion is poor. They also had a link to the Toyota dealer instructions for installing the recall. Very educational. The short story is there is a friction mechanism in the pedals that emulates the friction one would feel in a traditional throttle. They suspect this mechanism sticks. This is plausible. However, I am surprised that we have not seen videos of the mechanism sticking. People Youtube their cats, what no gas pedals. The Toyota fix is to install a fitted shim that reduces the pressure on this mechanism. This could reduce the tenancy to stick. This could be it. There is no guarantee. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From piechota at argolis.org Thu Feb 25 12:12:56 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:12:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B866948.7070604@argolis.org> Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > I was wondering how electric (quiet) bikes will be used for illegal > activities. It never takes long for new technologies to be > implemented. Help me out, I just finished work and I am brain dead. > > 1. helping our southern brothers (Mexican) make it to the land of plenty. > 2. Purse snatching on city sidewalks (maybe rider with passenger) > 3. > 4. > 5. > 6. > 7. > 8. > 9. > 10. > 11. > 12. > 13. > 14. > 15. All of which can be performed with a bicycle. :) From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 13:52:54 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:52:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... > > Here's some from an earlier rideabout........my wife needed to be in > Penn State and she said she had a ride home if I could get her there. > That's a good excuse for a ride. > > > > http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cabin-07/11266521_qXK32#794138131_mydH6 > Lovely, thanks! -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From mrmevans at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 14:23:22 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:23:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Looks like Riding Gets Pushed Back a Bit More... In-Reply-To: <8CC83CE29814E5F-ACC-5EA7@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> References: <8296f6de1002241458q563100bbwd76c8bdb683afe7@mail.gmail.com> <8CC83CE29814E5F-ACC-5EA7@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002250623r3f5727bewfb7bc286b0eb93b4@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > I even rode today, about ten miles. It was the fifth or sixth ride I have > had this month. My first race of the season is less than a month away... > You've almost ridden as many days this month that my kids have been home from school for snow days...did I mention they're home again today? I could use a ride right about now. -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From motoedde2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 14:43:34 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:43:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Yamaha GS Message-ID: http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/super-tenere/ Coming to America...soon. -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 14:48:57 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:48:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT ramblings In-Reply-To: References: <8CC830944579BA5-33C8-27DF@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: > > >>Off our rockers >>acting crazy >>and with the right medication >>we won't be lazy >> >>Doin the old folks boogie >>down on the farm >>wheel chairs they were >>locked arm in arm >> >>Paired off pacemakers >>with matching alarms >>gives you just one more chance >>to spin one more yarn >> >>And you know >>that you are over the hill >>when your mind makes a promise >> that your body can't fill > > I've been in my house ~20 years, it was new construction. ?About 12 > years ago, we paid a flooring company to install a new floor and they > installed it over the existing floor. > > Well, it's time for a new floor and I decided that I would install the > new laminate. ?Rather than make layer 3, I decided to remove the > current floor, which is vinyl, and install the laminate over the > original vinyl floor. ?The flooring company's installer must have > gotten a new staple gun that day because they installed staples EVERY > 1/4" ALONG THE SEAMS of the new luan sub floor. ?My kitchen is ~12' x > 22'; do you have any idea how many fucking staples this asshole used? > My 17 YO son wanted to hunt down the installer and put staples in his > head. ?I just want to kill him in the slowest, most painful way I can > think. > > I started removing the floor last Friday night and we completed the > removal Saturday. ?Every muscle in my body ached. ?It didn't help that > I stopped going to the gym a couple of years ago. > > As I was soaking my aching body in the tub Saturday evening, I was > singing this song to myself. ?I repeated the last chorus about a > billion times. > > The icing on he cake was I dehydrated myself Saturday and formed a > kidney stone that I passed Tuesday evening. > > And you know > that you are over the hill > when your mind makes a promise > ?that your body can't fill > > Truer words were never spoken. > .... Sorry about the kidney stone Wayne. Painful. The lyrics are from Old Folks Boogie, by Little Feat, around 1977 (as probably everyone but me knew): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjDvwGxJ0Yc But c'mon guys, these are defeatist verses about the well-known creep of old age. Can't we find some more inspiring lines about living life to the hilt in spite of aging? Kudos to Wayne for getting the floor job done, it must be satisfying after all. Keep it up, and write a song about it! -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 25 15:03:27 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:03:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Yamaha GS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B86913F.8050403@ptd.net> edde m wrote: > http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/super-tenere/ > Coming to America...soon. > > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/24february10_stannounced.htm From another list From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:41:16 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:41:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: <4B861E85.20056.1869304@localhost> References: <4B861E85.20056.1869304@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Joe Dille wrote: > > >> On 2/24/10, Doug Raymond wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Brian Curry wrote: >> >> > ?> http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept >> >> > ?"this is operator error" and I agree. ?That is, once the car starts >> > ?running away for any reason, you should be able to recover in a few >> > ?seconds by doing one of the obvious things: braking real hard, >> > ?shifting to neutral (or park! I didn't know this was OK too!), or >> > ?turning off the key (true, on some Toyotas, there is a pushbutton >> > ?rather than a key, and you would have to know to press it for at least >> > ?3 seconds). >> >> Same as it was for the Audi 5000. ?What 15 years ago. >> >> You have never accidentally tried to put a trans into park while still >> moving. ?It is not happy. ?Nor being put in reverse, although that >> generates a LOT of wheel spin, or lack thereof in the right direction. >> > > I think you would need to be really motivated to put it into park at > speed. ?The noise is fantastic. ?We did this in Drivers Ed (while the > instructor was in another car), it did not work. ?We also tried > putting it in reverse. ?This only works at low speed. ?Neutral is the > gear you want. Of course, that is what we all would expect. That's why I was surprised that CarAndDriver stated clearly that you can shift to Park at speed without problem, due to the 'pawl'. >> >> > ?such a thing was ever found or reproduced. ?Yet they are 'fixing' 4 >> > ?million cars for this, by inserting a 1/16" (approx) metal shim to >> > ?limit the pedal travel. ?Sounds completely absurd. ?I would love to >> > ?see a link describing how this fix is supposed to work. >> >> Joe Dille provided one. >> > I did provide links. ?I don't have them handy. > > I found links showing the problem (the closest thing to a root cause > that I have found) at http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com ?Warning: The > data is good. ?The discussion is poor. ?They also had a link to the > Toyota dealer instructions for installing the recall. ?Very > educational. There are several interesting articles about the Toyota gas pedal here; the following one is comprehensive: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas-pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/ While I don't disagree with any of its statements, it still does not confirm that any real pedal was found to be stuck. It 'guesses' one _could_ be stuck, under high humidity maybe. What a slim basis for a billion-dollar fix! One of your first links to a video on this problem (sorry, I didn't look it up) showed an idiotic discussion of how the steel pivot shaft of the friction mechanism 'could' be binding in its oilite bushing, and that was 'probably' the source of the problem. However, a second video from the same source did show a fascinating step-by-step of the actual recall fix, inserting the shim in the pedal. > > The short story is there is a friction mechanism in the pedals that > emulates the friction one would feel in a traditional throttle. ?They > suspect this mechanism sticks. ?This is plausible. ?However, I am > surprised that we have not seen videos of the mechanism sticking. > People Youtube their cats, what no gas pedals. Doesn't even sound that 'plausible' to me, and even if plausible is that considered engineering data to justify this fix? > > The Toyota fix is to install a fitted shim that reduces the pressure > on this mechanism. ?This could reduce the tenancy to stick. > > This could be it. ?There is no guarantee. That's my complaint: the best that Toyota engineers can say is "this could be it"? The article above stated that they reproduced the fix (not the problem) and they felt subjectively that it reduced the friction (though they did not put it back in a car and try it, why not?). But mainly it concluded that drivers will only object to the degraded performance of the pedal. The more friction is reduced the more driver fatigue is expected. > OK, I won't be ever hired as a PR man, but I would prefer to see Toyota NOT fix a problem it cannot reproduce. They could just finesse the problem by upgrading the controls to make brake override gas. As far as I can tell the only people who would object are hotshot drivers who like to operate brakes and gas at the same time, they can do without now.. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:42:59 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:42:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? Message-ID: http://badasskeys.com/ (WS) Discuss. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From pasegc at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:46:25 2010 From: pasegc at gmail.com (Gerry Cavanaugh) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:46:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Dick wrote: > Gary: > > Nice pix. They made me whine for better weather. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > >> Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... >> >> Here's some from an earlier rideabout........my wife needed to be in >> Penn State and she said she had a ride home if I could get her there. >> That's a good excuse for a ride. >> >> >> >> >> http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cabin-07/11266521_qXK32#794138131_mydH6 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100222/680c1d11/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 25 15:46:19 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:46:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: <4B861E85.20056.1869304@localhost> Message-ID: <8CC8448CEF17F46-2104-CECF@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> < emulates the friction one would feel in a traditional throttle. ?They> suspect this mechanism sticks. ?This is plausible. ?However, I am> surprised that we have not seen videos of the mechanism sticking.> People Youtube their cats, what no gas pedals.>> I can see the video now: "Grandma, what are you doing? Why are we going so fast?" "Well, dear, the gas pedal is stuck, we're doing 110 MPH down a twisty mountain road! Help me find my cell phone and get a video of my gas pedal for Youtube!" Hurry! Post it up! Did we get any hits on FaceBook?" "EEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 15:54:25 2010 From: oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com (oldmainlinehomes at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:54:25 +0000 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? Message-ID: <809795223-1267113241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1082506320-@bda384.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hmm what would a "Mac-Pac" version look like? I'm thinking the 8 ball but with the logo instead of the 8...... Kenn ------Original Message------ From: Brian Curry Sender: mac-pac-l-bounces+oldmainlinehomes=gmail.com at jtan.com To: Mac-Pac Sent: Feb 25, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? http://badasskeys.com/ (WS) Discuss. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com _______________________________________________ Mac-pac-l mailing list Mac-pac-l at jtan.com http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:24:08 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:24:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002250824m466cd183g6c976ce68c181588@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > I was wondering how electric (quiet) bikes will be used for illegal > activities. It never takes long for new technologies to be > implemented. Help me out, I just finished work and I am brain dead. > > 1. helping our southern brothers (Mexican) make it to the land of plenty. > 2. Purse snatching on city sidewalks (maybe rider with passenger) > 3. With pantograph, steal from power lines while underway. > 4. Out perform all similar piston powered bikes in street drags? > 5. Cruise quietly at 150 MPH. > 6. Taking $2 million in X Prize money for most efficient vehicle. > 7. > 8. > 9. > 10. > 11. > 12. > 13. > 14. > 15. > > > -- > Bobby LeBoutillier > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:38:50 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:38:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? In-Reply-To: <809795223-1267113241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1082506320-@bda384.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <809795223-1267113241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1082506320-@bda384.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4a4431121002250838k6945eb1biad966f6b9c9003cb@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM, wrote: > Hmm what would a "Mac-Pac" version look like? I'm thinking the 8 ball but with the logo instead of the 8...... > > Kenn > ------Original Message------ > From: Brian Curry > Sender: mac-pac-l-bounces+oldmainlinehomes=gmail.com at jtan.com > To: Mac-Pac > Sent: Feb 25, 2010 10:42 AM > Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? > > http://badasskeys.com/ > (WS) > > Discuss. Ignition switch problems would be guaranteed with additional weight bouncing. Dano From motorrader at verizon.net Thu Feb 25 16:39:43 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:39:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". References: <4B8616BE.19504.1683181@localhost> Message-ID: <828118440FB14C31928841A6EBF1DAC3@dellfe483b726d> > Thanks. This is just what they did for Audi in the 1980's. All > makes sense. Data are good. > Ride Safe, > Joe I've been driving Audi's for 38 years and I have owned many models over the years. I remember the 60 minute story well and to the best of my knowledge, I believe every case was eventually found to be driver error. They did find that the placement of the accelerator pedal was too close to the brake pedal and when drivers went to stomp on the brake they sometimes stomped on the accelerator pedal unintentionally.......Oh, sure the company came up with a gear shift interlocking mechanism, only to appease the masses and help calm their fears, but completely unneccessary as I recall. Audi took the hit financially and it was some time before their reputation was restored. Todd HARLEYsville, PA From ephoet at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:45:25 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:45:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Yamaha GS In-Reply-To: <4B86913F.8050403@ptd.net> References: <4B86913F.8050403@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Chris wrote: > edde m wrote: >> http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/super-tenere/ >> ?Coming to America...soon. >> >> > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/24february10_stannounced.htm > > > ?From another list > > > _______________________________________________ Yamaha european info: http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt1200z-super-tenere.jsp From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 25 17:02:33 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:02:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: <828118440FB14C31928841A6EBF1DAC3@dellfe483b726d> References: <4B8616BE.19504.1683181@localhost> <828118440FB14C31928841A6EBF1DAC3@dellfe483b726d> Message-ID: <8CC8453748AA08C-354-A11@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> <> I was always surprised that Audi and BMW did not ever discover the rather simple cause of that problem. The BMW Bavaria 3.0 CS and many later models had a telescoping throttle linkage with a spring inside. The spring was quite stiff, and was intended to buffer the full-throttle-slam from damaging the linkage components. In most vehicles, the telescoping mechanism NEVER moved during the life of the car. However, of carbon deposits accumulated around the throttle plate, the plate could stick in the housing bore, and when the driver would push down the pedal, th estuck plate stayed closed, giving no "gas." Most divers would subconciously apply more throttle pedal, until the spring started to stretch and the rod telescoped out. At some point, the stuck plate would release, and the spring would retract the telescoping mechanism. slamming the throttle plate wide open. One of the mechanics at Butler&Smith had this happen during an oil service on the boss' 3.0CS. The car was being driven up onto the lube rack, and when it didn't move forward, the guy pressed the pedal more, the car shot forward off the rack and into the Service Manager's office wall. Nobody was injured, but the mechanic laid on the floor and jerked around to fake a seizure for a while (an old dockworker trick to collect disability pay) then he got up and started blaming God, demons, fairies, Russia, Nazis and Twinkies. There was quite an uproar going on. I was working at a bench about ten feet from the impact point, and was a bit startled! We had to find out why the accident happened, and we discovered the telescoping linkage. By simply holding the throttle plate closed with a pencil while the pedal was pushed, we could easily replicate the problem. When we ordered a new linkage rod, the new part from BMW had no telescoping section or spring, it was just a solid tube. The Audi used a different fuel injection system from Bosch, but they had that same telescoping rod in the linkage.VROOM, CRASH! It's easy to say "driver error." If you can get people to believe you, case by case, you can save millions in liability payouts. --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From rcavalie at verizon.net Thu Feb 25 17:23:17 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:23:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cab63f$3b8e8030$b2ab8090$@net> -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Brian Curry Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:43 AM To: Mac-Pac Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? http://badasskeys.com/ (WS) Discuss. Brian, You should have one in the shape of a spoon! Rick Cavaliere 2009 K1300GT 1985 K100RT From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 17:51:12 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:51:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT ramblings In-Reply-To: References: <8CC830944579BA5-33C8-27DF@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4a4431121002250951x21a82262v42b5df6b2578eb52@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Wayne Woodruff wrote: >> >> >>>Off our rockers >>>acting crazy >>>and with the right medication >>>we won't be lazy >>> >>>Doin the old folks boogie >>>down on the farm >>>wheel chairs they were >>>locked arm in arm >>> >>>Paired off pacemakers >>>with matching alarms >>>gives you just one more chance >>>to spin one more yarn >>> >>>And you know >>>that you are over the hill >>>when your mind makes a promise >>> that your body can't fill >> >> I've been in my house ~20 years, it was new construction. ?About 12 >> years ago, we paid a flooring company to install a new floor and they >> installed it over the existing floor. >> >> Well, it's time for a new floor and I decided that I would install the >> new laminate. ?Rather than make layer 3, I decided to remove the >> current floor, which is vinyl, and install the laminate over the >> original vinyl floor. ?The flooring company's installer must have >> gotten a new staple gun that day because they installed staples EVERY >> 1/4" ALONG THE SEAMS of the new luan sub floor. ?My kitchen is ~12' x >> 22'; do you have any idea how many fucking staples this asshole used? >> My 17 YO son wanted to hunt down the installer and put staples in his >> head. ?I just want to kill him in the slowest, most painful way I can >> think. >> >> I started removing the floor last Friday night and we completed the >> removal Saturday. ?Every muscle in my body ached. ?It didn't help that >> I stopped going to the gym a couple of years ago. >> >> As I was soaking my aching body in the tub Saturday evening, I was >> singing this song to myself. ?I repeated the last chorus about a >> billion times. >> >> The icing on he cake was I dehydrated myself Saturday and formed a >> kidney stone that I passed Tuesday evening. >> >> And you know >> that you are over the hill >> when your mind makes a promise >> ?that your body can't fill >> >> Truer words were never spoken. >> > .... > > Sorry about the kidney stone Wayne. ?Painful. > > The lyrics are from Old Folks Boogie, by Little Feat, around 1977 (as > probably everyone but me knew): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjDvwGxJ0Yc > > But c'mon guys, these are defeatist verses about the well-known creep > of old age. > > Can't we find some more inspiring lines about living life to the hilt > in spite of aging? This one keeps my mind boogying on the positive side. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ewFEm4Up_o Dano From brian at whatever2k.com Thu Feb 25 18:09:42 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:09:42 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B86BCE6.7030404@whatever2k.com> > How can so much fuss and money be spent without finding the true > cause? Where are the automotive engineers when you need them? I > can't believe any of them accept the currently spread nonsense about > the sticking gas pedal. Yes, I know that floor mats may have caused > some of these cases. This whole frenzy really smells like a very concerted effort to tarnish Toyota's reputation over something truly frivolous. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From rcavalie at verizon.net Thu Feb 25 18:10:39 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:10:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD Message-ID: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Hi All, Has anyone got the BMW Repair Manual DVD for a 2009 K1300GT? If so, do you like it and consider it worth the money (~ $120)? That's a lot of $$ for a repair manual! Rick Cavaliere 2009 K1300GT 1985 K100RT From tc2wheel at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 18:34:59 2010 From: tc2wheel at gmail.com (T C) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:34:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles In-Reply-To: <4B866948.7070604@argolis.org> References: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> <4B866948.7070604@argolis.org> Message-ID: <85dad9891002251034n7b6c931bw78be378378edee76@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > > > 2. Purse snatching on city sidewalks (maybe rider with passenger) > > *All of which can be performed with a bicycle. :)* > > With the lack of clutch or gear shifting, purse snatching can be done without assitance of a passenger on an electric moto.. *If only a human powered bicycle can accelerate and/or sustain the speed of a elelctric motor.* -- Theo Chao Royersford, PA Chances favor the prepared mind. Master your environment and you will survive just fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/f9df4413/attachment.html From motorrader at verizon.net Thu Feb 25 18:42:21 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:42:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". References: <4B8616BE.19504.1683181@localhost> <828118440FB14C31928841A6EBF1DAC3@dellfe483b726d> <8CC8453748AA08C-354-A11@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2752D2F1BE8A448FB3D55DA58C7F84C5@dellfe483b726d> One of the mechanics at Butler&Smith had this happen during an oil service on the boss' 3.0CS. The car was being driven up onto the lube rack, and when it didn't move forward, the guy pressed the pedal more, the car shot forward off the rack and into the Service Manager's office wall. The Audi used a different fuel injection system from Bosch, but they had that same telescoping rod in the linkage.VROOM, CRASH! -- Tom Cutter Very interesting....................so were those 3.0CS. Always admired that model and came very close to buying one many, many years ago. I always had a burning desire for the 3.0CS and the 280SL in spite of the deficiencies and shortfalls. I just may have to make room someday for one of those babies......... Until then my '71 Karmann Ghia convertable will just have to make do. :) Todd Anticipating pin ball derby on the turnpike tonight ! From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 25 18:56:50 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:56:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <4B86C7F2.5020906@ptd.net> Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: > Hi All, > > Has anyone got the BMW Repair Manual DVD for a 2009 K1300GT? If so, > do you like it and consider it worth the money (~ $120)? That's a lot of $$ > for a repair manual! > > You cheapass bastard. You buy a new BMW bike and you are complaining about another $120. Buy a freaking Honda next time.... Chris Jaccarino From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 25 19:05:20 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:05:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: > Has anyone got the BMW Repair Manual DVD for a 2009 K1300GT? If so, > do you like it and consider it worth the money (~ $120)? That's a lot of $$ > for a repair manual! That's about $30 more than one (ONE) hour of labor at most dealers around here. Just sayin ... it's all relative. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhsnwAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2IKoH+gJGX9DFqLJn8nw7nxn9vGi/ uBtwbRuBXA9AzhuxrAP8Wnz+u1CgXlwYVGpEx3RhG9ZuEd3oqRl7T5n0hzxG8nxm F/NHlgSPovZCkYqp+rJ20x68jwwocatXxjzjBtosK/yTOmEd3tI0/AS302VMpcFK oqHMOL+99bHa5cWtwsRM87Oea9W6R9pVb2AuGN0DZcODThmPmkj74fCCFm8dji8c j1tzhNaP0u8Gn9DH6xFeO/XCUGMd6Azn7koWZAj7GgpfGOuX37M115ok0TNGBWQU VeXVExe9ZE8W6UUkNW6K3KRVNO66NICqYmqF/gRc44Bj/sS2d+D1ctxB3HRcepg= =r3yj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:08:04 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:08:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: <8CC8453748AA08C-354-A11@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B8616BE.19504.1683181@localhost> <828118440FB14C31928841A6EBF1DAC3@dellfe483b726d> <8CC8453748AA08C-354-A11@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Tom Cutter wrote: > > < over the years. ?I remember the 60 minute story well and to the best of > my knowledge, I believe every case was eventually found to be driver > error. ?They did find that the placement of the accelerator pedal was > too close to the brake pedal and when drivers went to stomp on the > brake they sometimes stomped on the accelerator pedal > unintentionally.......Oh, sure the company came up with a gear shift > interlocking mechanism, only to appease the masses and help calm their > fears, but completely unneccessary as I recall. ?Audi took the hit > financially and it was some time before their reputation was restored.>> > > I was always surprised that Audi and BMW did not ever discover the > rather simple cause of that problem. > > The BMW Bavaria 3.0 CS and many later models had a telescoping throttle > linkage with a spring inside. The spring was quite stiff, and was > intended to buffer the full-throttle-slam from damaging the linkage > components. In most vehicles, the telescoping mechanism NEVER moved > during the life of the car. However, of carbon deposits accumulated > around the throttle plate, the plate could stick in the housing bore, > and when the driver would push down the pedal, th estuck plate stayed > closed, giving no "gas." Most divers would subconciously apply more > throttle pedal, until the spring started to stretch and the rod > telescoped out. At some point, the stuck plate would release, and the > spring would retract the telescoping mechanism. slamming the throttle > plate wide open. > > One of the mechanics at Butler&Smith had this happen during an oil > service on the boss' 3.0CS. The car was being driven up onto the lube > rack, and when it didn't move forward, the guy pressed the pedal more, > the car shot forward off the rack and into the Service Manager's office > wall. Nobody was injured, but the mechanic laid on the floor and jerked > around to fake a seizure for a while (an old dockworker trick to > collect disability pay) then he got up and started blaming God, demons, > fairies, Russia, Nazis and Twinkies. There was quite an uproar going > on. I was working at a bench about ten feet from the impact point, and > was a bit startled! > > We had to find out why the accident happened, and we discovered the > telescoping linkage. By simply holding the throttle plate closed with a > pencil while the pedal was pushed, we could easily replicate the > problem. ?When we ordered a new linkage rod, the new part from BMW had > no telescoping section or spring, it was just a solid tube. > > The Audi used a different fuel injection system from Bosch, but they > had that same telescoping rod in the linkage.VROOM, CRASH! > > It's easy to say "driver error." If you can get people to believe you, > case by case, you can save millions in liability payouts. > Tom, thanks for lively story. I'll remember the dockworker trick in my next accident, I know how to do it by having watched Curly in many Three Stooges films. 1. Are you saying that the runaway Audi's in the '80s were likely fuel-injected models with the telescoping link near the throttle body? And that Audi quietly replaced this part without ever acknowledging it might have been the cause? I'm just asking for clarification on what you're saying, not arguing or taking sides on the capitalist/worker/consumer debate. 2. Whatever the "full-throttle-slam" mechanism is, is it equivalent to the "passing gear mechanism" of automatics? That is, when you need to pass you kick the pedal down fast, and the car responds by revving up and downshifting. If so, it has an interesting correlation with lady drivers: most of the runaway Audi cars had lady drivers, and ladies in my experience are far less likely to use the 'passing gear' function. You imply that it is dis-use of the mechanism that leads to carbon buildup and eventual 'sticking open'. No offense intended to marxists, imperialists or women here, I'm fond of them all. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From chrisjac at ptd.net Thu Feb 25 19:15:25 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:15:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <4B86CC4D.7010001@ptd.net> David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: > > >> Has anyone got the BMW Repair Manual DVD for a 2009 K1300GT? If so, >> do you like it and consider it worth the money (~ $120)? That's a lot of $$ >> for a repair manual! >> > > http://www.ascycles.com/detail.aspx?ID=43180 $111.80.......almost 10% savings. See, I look out for my friends. Chris Jaccarino From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:18:34 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:18:34 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: > Hi All, > > ? ? ? ?Has anyone got the BMW Repair Manual DVD for a 2009 K1300GT? If so, > do you like it and consider it worth the money (~ $120)? That's a lot of $$ > for a repair manual! > Congrats on the new K1300GT. FWIW, I bought the official Repair CD for my RT when new, at $125. My initial reaction was that it was NOT worth the money, because: - major things were left out, especially electrical schematics. - most tech stuff, instead of explaining it, just said "consult your authorized dealer". OK, I'm generally for having the dealer do that stuff but I PAID for the info. However, the CD info was surprisingly useful on engine rebuild, so for me in the end it was probably worth it. Obviously you should try to get a look at the DVD at the dealer's, and at least verify it has good schematics. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:21:04 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:21:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] There are mechanical bits and then there are advertisements Message-ID: There is Italian Design and Fabrication and then there is BMW Design and Fabrication: http://advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12244697&postcount=152 (WS) Appears the Italian's have not changed much from the days when it was said that Ferrari was reported to make curved door panels by putting some Al sheet on bean bags and start welding.... Then there are the Italian Advertisements http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/12-aprilia-motorcycles-ads-from-around-the-world.htm (NSFW! Butt cheaks) But they can do a great job on advertisements. I suspect that some in BMW MOA would have apoplexy if some of these advertisements showed up in MOA N. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:21:17 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:21:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <4B86CC4D.7010001@ptd.net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> <4B86CC4D.7010001@ptd.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Chris wrote: > David Talkington wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: >> >> >>> ? ? ?Has anyone got the BMW Repair Manual DVD for a 2009 K1300GT? If so, >>> do you like it and consider it worth the money (~ $120)? That's a lot of $$ >>> for a repair manual! >>> >> >> > http://www.ascycles.com/detail.aspx?ID=43180 > > > $111.80.......almost 10% savings. ? See, I look out for my friends. > Another perfect example of where it is well worth it to buy from and support your local dealer. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From mrmevans at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 19:25:54 2010 From: mrmevans at gmail.com (Michael Evans) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:25:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: <4B86BCE6.7030404@whatever2k.com> References: <4B86BCE6.7030404@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <8296f6de1002251125u62d66e9bt324c476f9227149a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Brian Burdette wrote: > > This whole frenzy really smells like a very concerted effort to tarnish Toyota's > reputation over something truly frivolous. > Kinda goes with the #1 spot, dontch think? Here's an interesting article from Advertising Age on the PR aspect of Toyota amidst this 'crisis'. http://adage.com/globalnews/article?article_id=142277 -- Michael Evans | Kimberton, PA From brian at whatever2k.com Thu Feb 25 19:49:47 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:49:47 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <4B86D45B.1010809@whatever2k.com> > Obviously you should try to get a look at the DVD at the dealer's, and > at least verify it has good schematics. Don't expect a schematic for a new beemer. They use CAN-BUS, which is a bus with microprocessors that watch for addressed messages. Works almost exactly like ethernet. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 25 20:09:26 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:09:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <4B86D45B.1010809@whatever2k.com> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> <4B86D45B.1010809@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Burdette wrote: >Works almost exactly like ethernet. Which is not a ringing endorsement. Sooner or later, some joker will figure out how to crack someone else's bluetooth comm system and take over the bike's CANbus ... imagine the fun/havoc you could have/wreak ... - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhtj2AAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2zP8H/AtjpnDq2LfacOOV37TgRdTu MrWzk+gBil/tx0t5JaLBwiKK1PDEAaTTrUI+ci1kMliwcy57aaMtExx0UypKNQG0 7K/kPTqcYcc3LkjG2nmKCS9O0PN5sGulilHO9a2w2FTSVInePzBEkpNUsaqNsVqg 8M5CDt+QMzH0R3YlkfQ7hfvHNa1oOVmkdvc674SaqqFrudvVUJ3fCmWsbqm0WT3q D873dVVzs5lOm1qhdZSWJlxltGvhGAxBHIDZyXSjwPXfuT+AR5Q1E3iUdNUQqc9F Px8IrtE4l5zuut2BcrVrYtCcVxIvBtJx4UlA2E0s5jx61eEl3nxpmGP8xnrLuzk= =79fK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 25 20:09:47 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:09:47 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <15621.12.181.211.35.1267128587.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > Hi All, > > Has anyone got the BMW Repair Manual DVD for a 2009 K1300GT? If so, > do you like it and consider it worth the money (~ $120)? That's a lot of > $$ > for a repair manual! > Rick, That is about par for the course these days. My SAAB manual was $200+ and the Honda Odyssey was ~$120. In 1-2 years Haynes will have a manual where most of the information will be right. \ Ride Safe, Joe From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:10:49 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:10:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR Message-ID: http://adage.com/globalnews/article?article_id=142277 (WS) Doug, note that it discusses NOTHING about the technical issues beyond "They should have done it in the open, with anyone and everyone able to see and kibitz". (The issue with that being the same as trying to deal with all the PR requests that come into them, does not come onto the PR speaker's radar. In fact it is worse cause the issues that have to be "addressed" can be and are more crackpot than some of the PR requests.) Jack, cars are transportation, and you know transportation PR. Maybe an opening for you to show they what they should be doing? Oh, and shooting everyone in Congress is NOT allowed. Even if they are brain dead already. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From motoedde2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:19:08 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:19:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > http://adage.com/globalnews/article?article_id=142277 > (WS) > > Doug, note that it discusses NOTHING about the technical issues beyond > "They should have done it in the open, with anyone and everyone able > to see and kibitz". ?(The issue with that being the same as trying to > deal with all the PR requests that come into them, does not come onto > the PR speaker's radar. ?In fact it is worse cause the issues that > have to be "addressed" can be and are more crackpot than some of the > PR requests.) > > Jack, cars are transportation, and you know transportation PR. ?Maybe > an opening for you to show they what they should be doing? ?Oh, and > shooting everyone in Congress is NOT allowed. ?Even if they are brain > dead already. I'm equally perplexed as to why Toyota is getting hammered so hard considering Ford has had more issues with sudden acceleration historically...see article below and the chart...especially the chart!!! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703510204575085531383717288.html?KEYWORDS=toyota+nhtsa -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From fawudd at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:22:05 2010 From: fawudd at gmail.com (W Thompson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:22:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting Message-ID: Dear Pac, I just returned from a trip to the left coast and have a serious case of lane-splitting envy. Traffic is horrible around LA, and that made it even more beautiful to see bikes and scooters zipping by my mirrors as I sat motionless. I then learned that many states do not have laws which actually prohibit lane splitting, they just have other laws which can be cited (eg you must signal for NN yards before changing lanes) A couple of comments on my blog got me wondering why only california has managed to make this explicitly legal and keep it that way. I'm sure it is a tough sell, but has there been a PA effort at any point in time ? Wayne -- http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/9334582e/attachment.html From rcavalie at verizon.net Thu Feb 25 20:24:42 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:24:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <001501cab658$90753c60$b15fb520$@net> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Raymond [mailto:douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:19 PM To: Richard A. Cavaliere Cc: Mac-Pac Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD SNIPPAGE < Congrats on the new K1300GT. FWIW, I bought the official Repair CD for my RT when new, at $125. My initial reaction was that it was NOT worth the money, because: - major things were left out, especially electrical schematics. - most tech stuff, instead of explaining it, just said "consult your authorized dealer". OK, I'm generally for having the dealer do that stuff but I PAID for the info. However, the CD info was surprisingly useful on engine rebuild, so for me in the end it was probably worth it. Obviously you should try to get a look at the DVD at the dealer's, and at least verify it has good schematics.> Hi Doug, That's a good point about checking it out at the dealer first. I am really tired of snow - can't ride my new bike. :( Rick From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Thu Feb 25 20:29:29 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:29:29 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Snip... A couple of comments > on > my blog got me wondering why only california has managed to make this > explicitly legal and keep it that way. I'm sure it is a tough sell, but > has > there been a PA effort at any point in time ? > I believe it is not legal in CA, however it is an accepted practice, and it is not illegal. Even if we could wave a magic wand and lane splitting was legal in PA tomorrow, would you do it? Not me. I would wait until many other bikers trained the cars that there could be a bike coming by. Ride Safe, Joe From motoedde2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:31:32 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:31:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > Snip... > > ?A couple of comments >> on >> my blog got me wondering why only california has managed to make this >> explicitly legal and keep it that way. I'm sure it is a tough sell, but >> has >> there been a PA effort at any point in time ? >> > > I believe it is not legal in CA, however it is an accepted practice, and > it is not illegal. Its legal... http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:35:19 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:35:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/25/10, edde m wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > > > http://adage.com/globalnews/article?article_id=142277 My repost, may have been my confusion. > I'm equally perplexed as to why Toyota is getting hammered so hard > considering Ford has had more issues with sudden acceleration > historically...see article below and the chart...especially the > chart!!! > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703510204575085531383717288.html?KEYWORDS=toyota+nhtsa Someone has an agenda for some reason. Most people know that Ralph Nader killed the Corvair. Most people don't know that the test that showed the Corvair was so BAD was also run on a Ford Falcon. It was just as bad if not worse. Someone had an agenda. The article is interesting in that it is DARN tough to figure out what is going on. Little to no physical evidence. There is an upset party that is SURE that THEY DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. Hard to sort out. Add in the software aspect and it gets worse trying to do negative testing. I am reminded of a an associate that had built some software for a company or campaign. He got calls that it did not work right. And "I am doing just what you said to do." Then he went over and watched them. They did 5 or 10 different things wrongly. But they did not see it as wrong. It is the way people are. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:35:19 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:35:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > Snip... > > ?A couple of comments >> on >> my blog got me wondering why only california has managed to make this >> explicitly legal and keep it that way. I'm sure it is a tough sell, but >> has >> there been a PA effort at any point in time ? >> > > I believe it is not legal in CA, however it is an accepted practice, and > it is not illegal. > > Even if we could wave a magic wand and lane splitting was legal in PA > tomorrow, would you do it? ?....... In a heartbeat. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:45:40 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:45:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On 2/25/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Joe Dille > > Even if we could wave a magic wand and lane splitting was legal in PA > > > tomorrow, would you do it? ....... > > In a heartbeat. It may be your last too. There are FAR too many ENVIOUS folks around here. "If I can't do it, NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT". The X sister in law's brother in law said he would open his door on a lane splitting motorcyclist. I asked him what he thought of a hot motorcycle engine in his lap. "Oh, that is a point". But there are LOADS out there like him. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From brian at whatever2k.com Thu Feb 25 20:46:03 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:46:03 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <4B86E18B.6070305@whatever2k.com> > Even if we could wave a magic wand and lane splitting was legal in PA > tomorrow, would you do it? If lane splitting was legal in my part of the world, I'd be doing it. If the AMA was lobbying for lane splitting legislation at the federal level, I'd rejoin to support it. Legalized lane splitting is the single best thing that could happen to urban motorcycling in the USA. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 25 20:58:48 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:58:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Curry wrote: > I am reminded of a an associate that had built some software for a > company or campaign. He got calls that it did not work right. And "I > am doing just what you said to do." Then he went over and watched > them. They did 5 or 10 different things wrongly. But they did not > see it as wrong. It is the way people are. As an occasional software developer, a graduate of information science, and having been once married to a usability guru whose criticism goaded me into improving my methods, I must jump in here. It is not reasonable to blame the user for "doing things wrongly". Yes, people do dumb things with your software that you never intended -- but it is YOUR JOB as the architect to handle improper input gracefully, and to provide useful feedback if it doesn't understand what you want or if you are about to do something potentially destructive. I don't know what the crap happened in these unexpected acceleration cases, but whatever it is, you can bet there's a user interface failure somewhere. Even a bunched-up floor mat is an interface failure: a predictable and potentially dangerous condition which the architect can easily anticipate and can mitigate by anchoring the damned floor mat. People quite reasonably expect that when they push the right-hand lever, the car goes, and when they stop pushing the lever, the car stops going, and if they push the left-hand lever, the car stops quite abruptly. They also expect that pressing the button or turning the key will TURN OFF THE CAR. I absolutely do not agree that a three-second hold to turn off is acceptable. Cars may be computers now, but they must not FEEL like computers to grandma. Humans under stress do not rationalize; their muscles just do what they've always done. The architect must NOT violate expectations at a moment of crisis. As engineers, we can gripe about stupid users till we're blue in the face, but they're not going to go away, and they are our target audience. Even when your audience is well-trained, they are still human, and a poor interface can still kill people (see the John Denver plane crash for a good example). A certain number of failures are going to happen. Mechanisms can stick, wear out, or break. But given the number of incidents in this case, I'm not buying that they represent a normal failure rate; there's a design flaw somewhere. Now, with all that said -- it IS the driver's responsibility to know how to deal with a runaway engine, whatever the cause. It is a sad state of affairs when a guy's response to an immediate, life-threatening equipment failure is to dial 911. But that's a whole different discussion. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhuSIAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2YCQH/RohpnZC96xTS4AGtRAFG3aI 5pF2alSnacC9+iUV3sr+VOiE85N/82y3DSk8UO/XqI2AYcXIIV4GuXezPaSwBoIh KB7hhse3hEJCHKZbDXHfq70Nmy7GyX8Y2J5jEUlUlV1W3cEM+XOzDF44p3ozFvOr UyQ0UHakjTfvoKtonq5x7tyHXRBGllTYOf6zxM9vIORVHDlzyEydlteqS2QpyNPl HeCSzkeFSTDWNf4CNtci42woteuWB7IGaHdTunEXx/4VclpxEaiEbXftSgWFODRN aAATjVd1pQynixFK0puH66OLYYk9QpKWQQfOWCnlXBXdtH5rbRxNIhkkKq9kxtQ= =GSKh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 25 21:30:51 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:30:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 edde m wrote: > I'm equally perplexed as to why Toyota is getting hammered so hard I don't find it perplexing at all. GM obviously has a lot of pull with your congresscritters, and it's obviously in their best interest to keep the heat on Toyota. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhuwLAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2BioH/3+D4iXpEiw/pM9H7GpKjQPC EYqjVGqJBCxxgN4PxGa7srdeOGOFABrUJuugsVhYCfz6Q70RoFrcd4ksSeboreCv DRlXQwIp17iPPF25lEP56ReeVu8CnnNgwJlbU6gHC2lIUnwnYUyJKRy+gmFq98F9 1PAw+QZNcs0meQthZiAKrpqBqIwNbKqaiYpyInjfkVOlfuNa3LDvM53BRU9n7eTm AdTO8xKLMD08XkNA02QsVGZhxtf9Rt5DjHPZ+B4Q5UIR+cx9MiS7W8PWQ918omKb jjx8WUK9aBq1qIGWbCJYT3cSMGemSfvh3D04xCdr9gyELLJHdUYuSto447cW0FU= =pIlQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rys at R2Controls.com Thu Feb 25 21:32:09 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <02f701cab661$fc65bf90$f5313eb0$@com> I bought the BMW repair manual on DVD for my 2006 R1200GSA. I suspect that BMW continues to use the same format. It installed completely on my computer, so DVD is not required once it is installed. It covers a range of bike models. It surely could be improved, but if you want a manual, you may not have a lot of choice. These manuals do show up on E-Bay for under $20 - if you search for BMW REPROM you can see some of the pages in the current adverts. The bottom line for me was that it was worth it, you can find basic settings (torque, wear limits, valve clearance ...), lots of photos. It also has step by step procedures for most jobs. Can be a little hard to find stuff and I don't normally bring my laptop down to the shop, so typically I just print out the applicable pages, prior to any specific job. For Cars, I have always liked Bentley best and Haynes 2nd and Clymer least. I don't know of many 3rd party BMW Motorcycle manuals. The manuals do not cover the advanced electronics (ABS or fuel injection), although Bosch does make a number of very good manuals that cover the basics of these systems. You might find some here http://pdfdatabase.com/bosch-fuel-injection-manual.html. To get into the details, for cars you really must have a means of getting on the ODB-2 connection to read codes, run tests, and evaluate sensors. New BMW bikes have CAN-Bus and there is a tool for that; I think it was the GS-911. Unless you are an advanced back yard mechanic, going to the dealer will be the best thing as they, have better tools and training and can update software, which is becoming a bigger part of bikes and cars every year. Rick Rys 2006 R1200GSA From brian at whatever2k.com Thu Feb 25 21:35:14 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:35:14 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <4B86ED12.1050008@whatever2k.com> > It may be your last too. There are FAR too many ENVIOUS folks around > here. "If I can't do it, NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT". > > The X sister in law's brother in law said he would open his door on a > lane splitting motorcyclist. I asked him what he thought of a hot > motorcycle engine in his lap. "Oh, that is a point". I'd have asked him what he thought of the words "attempted murder" The end goal of lane splitting is to reduce traffic congestion by encouraging use of motorcycles. The right solution to this mindset really is to explain that they could also be riding in that faster lane if they wanted to. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 25 21:54:50 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:54:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: <4B8616BE.19504.1683181@localhost><828118440FB14C31928841A6EBF1DAC3@dellfe483b726d><8CC8453748AA08C-354-A11@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC847C49E916A0-42A4-5D65@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> <<1. Are you saying that the runaway Audi's in the '80s were likelyfuel-injected models with the telescoping link near the throttle body? And that Audi quietly replaced this part without ever acknowledgingit might have been the cause? I'm just asking for clarification onwhat you're saying, not arguing or taking sides on thecapitalist/worker/consumer debate.>> The early Audi repair involved fitting a clip through the inner and outer tubes that effective locked the tubes together, leaving the spring inside to go for the ride. After the big lawsuit there was a wider-ranging recall, but I never saw the details of technical fix for that. <<2. Whatever the "full-throttle-slam" mechanism is, is it equivalent tothe "passing gear mechanism" of automatics? That is, when you need topass you kick the pedal down fast, and the car responds by revving upand downshifting. If so, it has an interesting correlation with ladydrivers: most of the runaway Audi cars had lady drivers, and ladies in my experience are far less likely to use the 'passing gear' function.You imply that it is dis-use of the mechanism that leads to carbonbuildup and eventual 'sticking open'.>> The "full-throttle slam" that I was talking about is when people punch the gas, the mechanism hits the limiter stops and if uncushioned, could cause damage to the soft materials contained there. The spring loaded telescoping tube was apparently intended to cushion that blow and prevent premature wear. I guess slamming into walls, other cars and pedestrians is NOT considered "premature wear." If my memory serves me right, there were a lot of Audi "sudden acceleration" incidents attributed to unfamiliar drivers, like garage attendants, parking valets, babysitters, etc., who did not recognize that the throttle felt "weird." One thing I remember well is that Audi spent a lot more energy trying to deflect blame and pretend that no problem existed than on actually looking for the cause of the trouble. We had a few customers in those days who worked in Audi's corporate offices in Englewood Cliffs, NJ. It was common in those days for the various manufacturer's employees to get vehicles and service from the other company's home office instead of going through dealerships. For instance, I got my first Volvo direct from the US importer in Rockleigh, NJ. when I worked for the BMW Motorcycle importer. So we had opportunity to stand around in the Service Department and talk with the troops from Audi. They were on pins and needles, unable to say anything for fear of reprisal or dismissal. --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Raymond To: Tom Cutter Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Tom Cutter wrote:>> < over the years. ?I remember the 60 minute story well and to the best of> my knowledge, I believe every case was eventually found to be driver> error. ?They did find that the placement of the accelerator pedal was> too close to the brake pedal and when drivers went to stomp on the> brake they sometimes stomped on the accelerator pedal> unintentionally.......Oh, sure the company came up with a gear shift> interlocking mechanism, only to appease the masses and help calm their> fears, but completely unneccessary as I recall. ?Audi took the hit> financially and it was some time before their reputation was restored.>>>> I was always surprised that Audi and BMW did not ever discover the> rather simple cause of that problem.>> The BMW Bavaria 3.0 CS and many later models had a telescoping throttle> linkage with a spring inside. The spring was quite stiff, and was> intended to buffer the full-throttle-slam from damaging the linkage> components. In most vehicles, the telescoping mechanism NEVER moved> during the life of the car. However, of carbon deposits accumulated> around the throttle plate, the plate could stick in the housing bore,> and when the driver would push down the pedal, th estuck plate stayed> closed, giving no "gas." Most divers would subconciously apply more> throttle pedal, until the spring started to stretch and the rod> telescoped out. At some point, the stuck plate would release, and the> spring would retract the telescoping mechanism. slamming the throttle> plate wide open.>> One of the mechanics at Butler&Smith had this happen during an oil> service on the boss' 3.0CS. The car was being driven up onto the lube> rack, and when it didn't move forward, the guy pressed the pedal more,> the car shot forward off the rack and into the Service Manager's office> wall. Nobody was injured, but the mechanic laid on the floor and jerked> around to fake a seizure for a while (an old dockworker trick to> collect disability pay) then he got up and started blaming God, demons,> fairies, Russia, Nazis and Twinkies. There was quite an uproar going> on. I was working at a bench about ten feet from the impact point, and> was a bit startled!>> We had to find out why the accident happened, and we discovered the> telescoping linkage. By simply holding the throttle plate closed with a> pencil while the pedal was pushed, we could easily replicate the> problem. ?When we ordered a new linkage rod, the new part from BMW had> no telescoping section or spring, it was just a solid tube.>> The Audi used a different fuel injection system from Bosch, but they> had that same telescoping rod in the linkage.VROOM, CRASH!>> It's easy to say "driver error." If you can get people to believe you,> case by case, you can save millions in liability payouts.>Tom, thanks for lively story. I'll remember the dockworker trick inmy next accident, I know how to do it by having watched Curly in manyThree Stooges films.1. Are you saying that the runaway Audi's in the '80s were likelyfuel-injected models with the telescoping link near the throttle body? And that Audi quietly replaced this part without ever acknowledgingit might have been the cause? I'm just asking for clarification onwhat you're saying, not arguing or taking sides on thecapitalist/worker/consumer debate.2. Whatever the "full-throttle-slam" mechanism is, is it equivalent tothe "passing gear mechanism" of automatics? That is, when you need topass you kick the pedal down fast, and the car responds by revving upand downshifting. If so, it has an interesting correlation with ladydrivers: most of the runaway Audi cars had lady drivers, and ladies inmy experience are far less likely to use the 'passing gear' function.You imply that it is dis-use of the mechanism that leads to carbonbuildup and eventual 'sticking open'.No offense intended to marxists, imperialists or women here, I'm fondof them all.-- -- ---------------Doug RaymondR1150RT '02Ambler, PA_______________________________________________Mac-pac-l mailing listMac-pac-l at jtan.comhttp://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From tc2wheel at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 21:57:28 2010 From: tc2wheel at gmail.com (T C) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:57:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: <4B86ED12.1050008@whatever2k.com> References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B86ED12.1050008@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: <85dad9891002251357y4ba1d87bm627be541e1d98549@mail.gmail.com> I practice lane spliting quite often on the Schuylkill traveling into and out of the city, at times even pass the state trooper cruiser that's stuck in bumper to bumper traffic. I only lane split at speed below 25 mph, when traffic is near standstill and cars have no room to maneuver about. -- Theo Chao Royersford, PA Chances favor the prepared mind. Master your environment and you will survive just fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/21fbce8a/attachment.html From tpcutter at aol.com Thu Feb 25 22:07:06 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:07:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <8CC847E0055F740-42A4-6121@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> <> If the DVD is the updated "RepRom" from BMW, that is a bit more useful than the older CD-ROM that was available to Doug for the R1150RT. The material level is essentially the same, but they have added some functionality and the detail stuff is better. Like all BMW documentation, it is rife with inaccuracies and omissions. I honestly don't know how the average guy manages to muddle through a repair using that as the only source of information. (Actually, I know just how they do it these days. They phone up a mechanic who has a good reputation and pick his brain for a half hour, then buy their parts wherever a small discount is offered.) I still find it pretty annoying that BMW charges so much for incomplete and inaccurate documentation, and never offers an upgrade or revision version to buyers. Even after 38 years working with BMW, their outstanding arrogance stuns me. It is the business equivalent of having the waiter in a fine dining establishment urinate on your tablecloth while you ate, then just staring you down and he presented a huge bill for dinner. Yet BMW buyers stand in line to be urinated upon, and act as if it is a privilege that shows their sophistication and class. --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From fawudd at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 22:14:59 2010 From: fawudd at gmail.com (W Thompson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:14:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: If you have spent any time in CA, you know that their drivers are no more conscious and "trained" than anywhere else. To the contrary, I think there is probably more cell and texting there than anywhere else....;-) On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Joe Dille wrote: > Snip... > > A couple of comments > > on > > my blog got me wondering why only california has managed to make this > > explicitly legal and keep it that way. I'm sure it is a tough sell, but > > has > > there been a PA effort at any point in time ? > > > > I believe it is not legal in CA, however it is an accepted practice, and > it is not illegal. > > Even if we could wave a magic wand and lane splitting was legal in PA > tomorrow, would you do it? Not me. I would wait until many other bikers > trained the cars that there could be a bike coming by. > > Ride Safe, > > Joe > > -- http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/1d8a4487/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 22:21:16 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:21:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/25/10, David Talkington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Brian Curry wrote: > > > > I am reminded of a an associate that had built some software for a > > company or campaign. He got calls that it did not work right. And "I > > am doing just what you said to do." Then he went over and watched > > them. They did 5 or 10 different things wrongly. But they did not > > see it as wrong. It is the way people are. > > > > As an occasional software developer, a graduate of information science, and > having been once married to a usability guru whose criticism goaded me into > improving my methods, I must jump in here. It is not reasonable to blame > the user for "doing things wrongly". Yes, people do dumb things with your > software that you never intended -- but it is YOUR JOB as the architect to > handle improper input gracefully, and to provide useful feedback if it > doesn't understand what you want or if you are about to do something > potentially destructive. I can likely dredge up examples I have had happen. I am sure that Tom Cutter can to, where you say "do this" to fix your bike and give a few steps that using your customary methods and techniques would work fine. Since they don't know customary stuff, it turns to putty and then it is mine or Tom's fault. Note how many times, that Tom notes he is not big on giving tips over the phone to people he has no clue who they are and what they might do. Try to design for EVERY IDIOT? You don't want that vehicle, and I absolutely don't either. > potentially dangerous condition which the architect can easily anticipate > and can mitigate by anchoring the damned floor mat. "easily anticipate".... snork, guffaw, pick myself up off the floor. There is potentially anticipate and then the impact on the desired operation. > if they push the left-hand lever, the car stops quite abruptly. They also > expect that pressing the button or turning the key will TURN OFF THE CAR. Software guy aren't you. Ever heard of contact bounce? As noted in one of the article, would you really want the engine to turn off RIGHT NOW, when you happen to push the button by accident? I suspect not. Keys, take real physical action. These vehicles don't have keys. They have the latest wizzbang feature. The software spec writer anticipated people hitting the button accidentally and had code written for that. Now you want it to go off RIGHT NOW. Which is it? I can think of a work around of two buttons, but that is yet one more thing and have some hints of why that might not work. I > absolutely do not agree that a three-second hold to turn off is acceptable. It depends on what you are trying to design against. See above. > Humans under stress do not rationalize; their muscles just do what they've > always done. The architect must NOT violate expectations at a moment of > crisis. SNORK, Guffaw, get back on the chair. Maybe you are that good, but more mortals are not. > A certain number of failures are going to happen. Mechanisms can stick, > wear out, or break. But given the number of incidents in this case, I'm not > buying that they represent a normal failure rate; there's a design flaw > somewhere. Lets see. 2000+, out of several million vehicles. Pretty darn small data set to evaluate and establish a cause from. Even moreso when the "witness" is not a technicla person telliing you what happened technically. > Now, with all that said -- it IS the driver's responsibility to know how to > deal with a runaway engine, whatever the cause. It is a sad state of > affairs when a guy's response to an immediate, life-threatening equipment > failure is to dial 911. But that's a whole different discussion. I don't think so. It is a symptom in the issue. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From Ducdude at verizon.net Thu Feb 25 22:25:54 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:25:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles References: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> <4B866948.7070604@argolis.org> Message-ID: <2A84263DA23545D7924CB1B4E6FCD1F1@heilveil5e3fdd> >> I was wondering how electric (quiet) bikes will be used for illegal >> activities. It never takes long for new technologies to be >> implemented. Help me out, I just finished work and I am brain dead. >> >> 1. helping our southern brothers (Mexican) make it to the land of plenty. >> 2. Purse snatching on city sidewalks (maybe rider with passenger) >> 3. Doin donuts on my bitch ass neighbors lawn at night....except the >> bitch has a 24/7 camera on her lawn to catch me cutting down her >> trees..still >> 4. >> 5. >> 6. >> 7. >> 8. >> 9. >> 10. >> 11. >> 12. >> 13. >> 14. >> 15. > > All of which can be performed with a bicycle. :) From gary5410 at aol.com Thu Feb 25 22:26:08 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:26:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> Message-ID: <8CC8480A952DD08-2E94-489@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> New bike!!!!! Awesome! The math must have been right ;-) Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure <> From bmwbrian at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 22:35:45 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:35:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles In-Reply-To: <2A84263DA23545D7924CB1B4E6FCD1F1@heilveil5e3fdd> References: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> <4B866948.7070604@argolis.org> <2A84263DA23545D7924CB1B4E6FCD1F1@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: On 2/25/10, Eric Ducdude wrote: > >> 3. Doin donuts on my bitch ass neighbors lawn at night....except the > >> bitch has a 24/7 camera on her lawn to catch me cutting down her > >> trees..still Air rifle. Paintball rifle. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rsorens at comcast.net Thu Feb 25 23:34:01 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:34:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? In-Reply-To: <809795223-1267113241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1082506320-@bda384.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: >Hmm what would a "Mac-Pac" version look like? I'm thinking the 8 ball but with the logo instead of the 8...... A limited (VERY limited) number of Mac-Pac lapel pins are floating around and would look good on the end of a key! From t42 at pobox.com Thu Feb 25 23:52:38 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:52:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Curry wrote: > I can likely dredge up examples I have had happen. I am sure that Tom > Cutter can to, where you say "do this" to fix your bike and give a few > steps that using your customary methods and techniques would work > fine. "Fixing" is not "using". I agree that inept people shouldn't try to "fix". They will, however, necessarily "use". > Try to design for EVERY IDIOT? You don't want that vehicle, and I > absolutely don't either. Not every idiot, but design for reasonably anticipated misuse -- like hitting the brake and accelerator simultanously (which is distressingly easy for me to do when wearing work boots and driving a '92 Saturn)? Absolutely. With hardware, there's not much you can do except place them farther apart and recess the accelerator downward beyond the plane of the brake pedal, but with drive-by-wire, this becomes TRIVIAL to prevent. (Just an example. I don't know if this has any bearing on the current batch of reports. Chrysler went through something like this with the Cherokee, where pedal placement was indicated.) > Software guy aren't you. Ever heard of contact bounce? As noted in > one of the article, would you really want the engine to turn off RIGHT > NOW, when you happen to push the button by accident? I suspect not. Which tells you what? That a button is the wrong interface, or at the very least should be placed where it won't be bumped. This wouldn't be a problem with a switch that you have to turn. It isn't likely to be accidentally activated, and can be made to work immediately, every time. > Keys, take real physical action. These vehicles don't have keys. > They have the latest wizzbang feature. When "whizzbang" takes precedence over safe design, that calls for accountability. > The software spec writer anticipated people hitting the button > accidentally and had code written for that. Now you want it to go off > RIGHT NOW. > > Which is it? A tough call for the software guy, sure. He didn't choose the physical interface. Nevertheless, someone should have made a different choice about the interface. Move the button ... use a rotating switch ... protect it with a collar ... any number of solutions, but whatever you pick, make it work the way most people will expect a switch to work. >> Humans under stress do not rationalize; their muscles just do what they've >> always done. The architect must NOT violate expectations at a moment of >> crisis. > > SNORK, Guffaw, get back on the chair. Maybe you are that good, but > more mortals are not. I don't expect engineers to "get" good interface design. We're bad at it, because we're tinkerers. We're mindful of what the system is really doing; most people aren't, and should not be expected to be. This is what usability studies are for; there really are people who are "that good" at this. Stuff like this is their job. Responsible interface design always means, among other things, not violating user expectations unless you have to. If you design a web application in which F5 closes the program, expect users to scream every time they try to refresh, as well they should. We laughed about that, but for critical systems, it's not funny anymore. ;-) > Lets see. 2000+, out of several million vehicles. Pretty darn small > data set to evaluate and establish a cause from. Even moreso when the > "witness" is not a technicla person telliing you what happened > technically. You might be right; I haven't looked at the numbers. I should not assume from the press that there really are more incidents of this type than you would expect in a sample this size. >> Now, with all that said -- it IS the driver's responsibility to know how to >> deal with a runaway engine, whatever the cause. It is a sad state of >> affairs when a guy's response to an immediate, life-threatening equipment >> failure is to dial 911. But that's a whole different discussion. > > I don't think so. It is a symptom in the issue. I don't agree. The cause of uncontrolled throttle is a separate issue from users being unprepared to mitigate an uncontrolled throttle. Granted, in a situation like Tom described, there isn't always time to take corrective action. - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhw1GAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2hcQH/2/o8KxjPETh2elEp/FCu+Ot FWVCHWE+swoIVeyRtgxE/oF/aFom+lZPMhyX9+lgj7pQf0pzfXRFWGu8ZQ+QcjMz Lbyc/FF52JfTWiD5T3YubFBhHf6bM0+mKMAEF7zA2nAQPK5Fl92iod4wyCJsUi97 6EA7I0va2/VyNPBBWJiIqGf5bT6Z2MwLWrbT2y+Vfa2XTRn7azL36yq2P1MDzgEJ 4bIAWfIljO+Zb3u1jixK7Yhm2WFMlddv0JlJRD6e4LYkSFx7vUPQeKMm5vdzVd0V sENDiRenSj1eFK0ycAcDl/aR8f2G7uq9LuC8lnE+VI1tQ7gBGwkieCbbUMhB4mk= =5RgL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 00:14:22 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:14:22 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/25/10, David Talkington wrote: > > I can likely dredge up examples I have had happen. I am sure that Tom > > Cutter can to, where you say "do this" to fix your bike and give a few > > steps that using your customary methods and techniques would work > > fine. > > > > "Fixing" is not "using". I agree that inept people shouldn't try to "fix". > They will, however, necessarily "use". Sorry you can see the issue, but "fixing" is "using" stuff. > > > Try to design for EVERY IDIOT? You don't want that vehicle, and I > > absolutely don't either. > > > > Not every idiot, but design for reasonably anticipated misuse -- like Bzztttt. You talk to the lawyers about that one. Just what should be "anticipated" and what is "reasonable" are all debatable terms. Define them first. In some universal manner. Then there will be substance. > > Software guy aren't you. Ever heard of contact bounce? As noted in > > one of the article, would you really want the engine to turn off RIGHT > > NOW, when you happen to push the button by accident? I suspect not. > > > > Which tells you what? That a button is the wrong interface, or at the very > least should be placed where it won't be bumped. This wouldn't be a problem > with a switch that you have to turn. It isn't likely to be accidentally > activated, and can be made to work immediately, every time. I can see you are not in marketing either. > > Keys, take real physical action. These vehicles don't have keys. > > They have the latest wizzbang feature. > > > > When "whizzbang" takes precedence over safe design, that calls for > accountability. SNORK. Must be grand looking from utiopia. Or your utopia. Mine is different. > A tough call for the software guy, sure. He didn't choose the physical > interface. Nevertheless, someone should have made a different choice about > the interface. And WHO determines who that "someone" should be? And what makes the decider so good? Move the button ... use a rotating switch ... protect it > with a collar ... any number of solutions, but whatever you pick, make it > work the way most people will expect a switch to work. Ah. So, we don't advance. No more buttons to conrol a tuner or volume, we stick with the KNOWN rotary devices. Got it. I don't think so, or I don't like your world. I really don't do horse well. They were "well undestood" why should we go to motorozed vehicles. > most people aren't, and should not be expected to be. This is what > usability studies are for; there really are people who are "that good" at > this. Stuff like this is their job. And they differ too. > Responsible interface design always means, among other things, not > violating user expectations unless you have to. You ever read the reviews of the Airbus that crashed in Long Island after departing JFK? The pilot operated the rudder in a manner that made sense in controlling the plane. However, the software designers had never expected that to happen, nor the epennage (sp?) designers. The rudder fell off. This was bad. Just like the debate between Boeing and Airbus. In Airbus land the software decides what you can do. In Boeing land the pilot can fly it into the ground if they want to. Now which approach is the "right one"? There are those that say "If it is not Boeing, I ain't going". > > Lets see. 2000+, out of several million vehicles. Pretty darn small > > data set to evaluate and establish a cause from. Even moreso when the > > "witness" is not a technicla person telliing you what happened > > technically. > > > > You might be right; I haven't looked at the numbers. I should not assume > from the press that there really are more incidents of this type than you > would expect in a sample this size. See notes about agenda. If I remember correctly you have gone on rants of "Why did they do that cause it is STUPID" or at least in your opinion. There are alternate points of view which can be valid and maybe even more valid depending on what your base criteria are. If you are familiar with Kepner-Tregoe decision making, you can get whatever result you want in an "objective" fashion by setting the right criteria at the beginning. Same thing here. You can get what YOU want by setting the right base criteria. Look at highway departments. They can "objectively" allow only one truck maker to bid on truck RFPs by including a feature that ONLY that maker does. Happens all the time. Your view is not the only one. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From jaburke4 at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 00:28:08 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:28:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Dealing with "unintended acceleration". In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <655B697E-DA01-48F9-8547-D7BA305FCA97@verizon.net> In my 20+ years in the automotive business I knew that as soon as a customer reported that the vehicle "ran away uncontrollably" I had to stop any one from getting into or moving the vehicle. My next step would be to approach the vehicle with the customer behind me and open the driver's door. More times than not I would usually see the problem immediately being the floor mat. The reason I always tried to have the customer right next to me was so that I could show them the condition presented as the vehicle was driven in by them. In other words, no one else has gotten in and fussed with the vehicle. If this was not done, then I would have a harder time persuading the customer of the cause. Once again, more times than not, there would be more than one floor mat on the driver's floor under the pedals. The most I saw was four floor mats. Yes four! The original factory matt in pristine condition with various aftermarket floor matt (Or even home cut to fit plastic floor matt) and a matt transfered from previously owned vehicles. (Not the same model either! Very bad fit!) The reason the customer was there as a witness was so that I could demonstrate the probably cause for them. I would knee beside the open door and reach in with my hand depressing the gas pedal down far enough for the pedal to hang up on it. Many times the edge of the matt was worn or cut through be the throttle. If it was the stock floor matt causing the issue, it was usually due to the floor matt not being properly hooked into the floor or seat as it was designed. May favorite solution was to reach in the car, pull out the offending floor mat and throw it in the back seat and say, "Fixed! If the car accelerates again, then bring it back." At which point I would hand them the keys. I had a vehicle accelerate uncontrollably on me once, but it was due to my big ass work boots getting stuck between the pedals. My mistake!!!! John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net From t42 at pobox.com Fri Feb 26 00:34:26 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:34:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Curry wrote: > Sorry you can see the issue, but "fixing" is "using" stuff. We'll have to agree to disagree there. > Bzztttt. You talk to the lawyers about that one. Just what should be > "anticipated" and what is "reasonable" are all debatable terms. > Define them first. In some universal manner. Then there will be > substance. I agree completely. The devil is in them there details. > I can see you are not in marketing either. And I can see that you're not in interface design. :) So what? > And WHO determines who that "someone" should be? And what makes the > decider so good? You seem to be under the impression that interfaces are necessarily arbitrary. The study of human-machine interaction is not arbitrary. It is a science, and there are some principles which should not be violated if the outcome might kill somebody. (Many of those principles are culture-specific, too! Lots of fun variables.) > Ah. So, we don't advance. No more buttons to conrol a tuner or > volume, we stick with the KNOWN rotary devices. Got it. Now you're just being difficult. :) A cumbersome radio interface is merely annoying. Feel free to experiment. (Or, if you're BMW, put the increase-volume button on the passenger door handle and the decrease-volume button on the driver's door handle.) We're talking about the controls which directly affect the operation of a big machine. Those should not be subject to fads. They must work the way humans expect them to, and be modified for very good reasons. > Just like the debate between Boeing and Airbus. In Airbus land the > software decides what you can do. In Boeing land the pilot can fly it > into the ground if they want to. > > Now which approach is the "right one"? Good question. When the operator is highly trained, it might in fact be smarter to let him override the machine. I suppose the safety records of the two manufacturers' products might suggest an answer, if I were to dig 'em up. Automobile drivers as a group are, uh, not highly trained. So yeah, I think sensors which slow you down if you're tailgating will be a good thing. > If I remember correctly you have gone on rants of "Why did they do > that cause it is STUPID" or at least in your opinion. Um ... coming from you, that makes me giggle. :) Cheers! -d - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhxcSAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2+sYH/2v14YugI2oTkdjh5qYcYFeO uy+Mk1GrITIdiitUXshRUsEK/NX9wQfHob/E15FHB3vsrgvziVLXjaDa753D17wq 5WUgbXcGrc76iUj3mVvBT1oIw9xdxdFr14JBYTnAndj5ttXcGdFU8/KfFhZ0SeZO giijvN/AmDgD1SVezg5heNuORbyasYJMFdDHtRhmliN/ZWfbflc3cngYHScsEgny hDIVy/2tmk3gVjk1fhH0I4tvb5fYqtk1/J5nKYalr/EWbDBL9nQNDCFtQjjHPtQ9 jtFgxuS2TxeWGrXrbQmJu10gJubm7oRdBqIPzmHpr55M7SIedQZC3O9EuRDnJLQ= =w1N0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wateredg at interlog.com Fri Feb 26 00:36:21 2010 From: wateredg at interlog.com (Steve Makohin) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:36:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR References: Message-ID: <7A246D7C92CD4C5396B5DD3B5969EACB@9200c> Hello David, From: "David Talkington" >> Try to design for EVERY IDIOT? You don't want that vehicle, and I >> absolutely don't either. > > Not every idiot, but design for reasonably anticipated misuse -- like > hitting the brake and accelerator simultanously (which is distressingly > easy for me to do when wearing work boots and driving a '92 Saturn)? [...] I think you "hit the nail on the head" with this one! I see two broad schools of though at play: (1) Said gentleman enters vehicle, with large feet clad with workboots, and thinks to himself: "I better take a look to see if I can safely operate these very important foot pedals, given the size of my feet and the footwear I am wearing. (2) Same gentleman enters vehicle and doesn't even think about his (in)ability to properly operate the brake and gas pedals. So the argument boils down to what level of awareness and due diligence is "reasonable" in a person operating a motor vehicle. On this list, when it comes to motorcycles, some will chime in and state emphatically that they believe it's an absolute must to graduate MIFF, do on-going recurrent training, wear ATGATT, and perform a walk-around to visually inspect your machine before each ride. Others will argue their belief that not wearing a helmet is their right, and that governments should have no right to play the role of "baby sitter" or "Big Brother." It all comes down to what we *believe*. And our lives will eerily reflect those beliefs in our experiences. Riders who are hell-bent on skills development, prudent decision-making, pre-flight inspection, etc., will be far less likely to participate in "accidents" than those who take a casual approach to riding. And when the chips are down and shit happens, those riders who planned for a Bad Day will fare better than those who did not. It's back to what we believe. So if I believe that I don't need to be aware of my feet, or the size of my shoes, or the proximity or the brake pedal to the accelerator, or perhaps if I didn't even think that far to consider my level of self-awareness, then I will believe someone else should "do something" to ensure I don't get into trouble, and I will blame them if I actually do get into trouble. Similarly, I will blame someone else if I *believe* I am at risk (i.e., it's not my fault). We perceive, we decide, and we act in accordance to our beliefs. -Steve Makohin '01 R1100S/ABS Oakville, Ontario, Canada From gary5410 at aol.com Fri Feb 26 00:42:01 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:42:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <10b68dab1002251636p6170b4c5p695aa8238d3e4c3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <10b68dab1002251636p6170b4c5p695aa8238d3e4c3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC8493A5064064-2E94-28FA@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> Dick is making wine ????? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Scott Royer <royer.scott at gmail.com> To: Dick <bmwdick at gmail.com> Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com; Gary Christman <gary5410 at aol.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 7:36 pm Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County Dick No biggie.? It doesn't take much to make you whine. Scott On Feb 24, 2010 10:09 PM, "Dick" <bmwdick at gmail.com> wrote: Gary: Nice pix. They made me whine for better weather. 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They made me whine for better weather. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > > Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... > > > > Here's some from an earlier rideabout........... > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100222/680c1d11/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mai... From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 00:51:07 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Yamaha GS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2070601178.8796151267145467447.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >> http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/super-tenere/ >> Coming to America...soon. >> >> > http://www.motorcycledaily.com/24february10_stannounced.htm > Yamaha has been making the Tenere for years. But have never offered it here in the US. As of right now they still have no plans to, which boggles the mind considering the BMW GS series success here in the states. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From Ducdude at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 00:54:13 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:54:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles References: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> <4B866948.7070604@argolis.org> <2A84263DA23545D7924CB1B4E6FCD1F1@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: > >> >> 3. Doin donuts on my bitch ass neighbors lawn at night....except the >> >> bitch has a 24/7 camera on her lawn to catch me cutting down her >> >> trees..still > > Air rifle. Paintball rifle. > Hmmmmm I like the way you think.. Duc From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 01:18:02 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:18:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > I can see you are not in marketing either. > > > > And I can see that you're not in interface design. :) So what? Actually I have been associated with stuff where the inteface design was rather important. Or people got REAL excited when stuff turned to putty. Trojan is shutdown and gone away. Columbia is still running. Visited both. Worked in others. I suspect you have never worked in environments with such a high level of scrutiny of "doing it right the first time" Columbia burping might be hard to tell considering where it is. Limerick is w/in ten miles of me, and Peach Bottom about 40 and to the West. > outcome might kill somebody. (Many of those principles are > culture-specific, too! Lots of fun variables.) Exactly. So which culture or level should you design too? IMNSHO when you make it "idiot proof" the idiots show you have underestimated them. > We're talking about the controls which directly affect the operation of a > big machine. Those should not be subject to fads. SNORK. I am getting bruised from falling off the chair.... They must work the way > humans expect them to, and be modified for very good reasons. Which humans? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 01:32:59 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:32:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <932D0862141A4111AF9F8AA6F67304A8@Tekki> The actual quote from the site: -Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? --Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner. I thought this one was really funny! -I'm pregnant. The HOV lane requires two persons in a vehicle. Now that I'm eating for two, can I use - - this lane? --California law requires that in order to utilize the HOV lane, there must be two (or, if posted, --three) separate individuals occupying seats in a vehicle. Until your "passenger" is capable of riding --in his or her own seat, you cannot count them. Some may find this interesting as well -I will be traveling to California and want to carry my weapon. I currently have a concealed weapon -permit. How can I legally transport my weapon while driving through the state? --California law does not recognize concealed weapon permits from other states; therefore, they would --not be held valid. If you wish to transport a handgun during your California visit, it should be --carried unloaded in a locked container. In the absence of a suitable container, you may secure the --unloaded handgun in the locked trunk of a passenger car. Ammunition may be kept in the same container --or trunk, but the handgun must remain unloaded with no rounds in the cylinder and no loaded magazines --in the magazine well. Rick From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 01:43:58 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:43:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: <932D0862141A4111AF9F8AA6F67304A8@Tekki> References: <932D0862141A4111AF9F8AA6F67304A8@Tekki> Message-ID: On 2/25/10, Rick Sorensen wrote: > The actual quote from the site: > > -Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? > --Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe > and prudent manner. I think the important word is "permissible". There are some counties were it is really frowned on A LOT. IOW do it and you are not being safe or prudent. It is cool seeing people actually "move OUT of your way" to give you a bit more space. They get waves. Good waves. It gets twitchy when you are going SLOW through stopped traffic on a hyperelevated turn. You are upright and the cars are not. Not a fun feeling. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From t42 at pobox.com Fri Feb 26 01:44:36 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:44:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brian Curry wrote: >> We're talking about the controls which directly affect the operation of a >> big machine. Those should not be subject to fads. > > SNORK. I am getting bruised from falling off the chair.... N.B. I did not say "are not". I said "should not be". ;-) >Exactly. So which culture or level should you design too? The short, possibly tautological, answer to that is "the people who will use your product". Remember, this discussion is about a button -- a kill switch. Most people have similar expectations about a switch -- for now. BUTT -- >Which humans? I was thinking about this a bit ago, and it occurred to me that in 40 years, we may very well find that there is a near-universal expectation that you have to hold down a button for 3 seconds before the stupid machine turns off! Certainly, the younger the user, the more likely that is to be true already. We're not there yet ... - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhyeEAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2yzcIAJSP0fF4GRU1JvgMQBcr3xsM attz2PnlAacMlgurQzl2tMWd+Z5pElCCUk0xKRlfGRqRiSR6Zg230JA7gwuCJZtA UiX5gBteQq0GqkQuDvp5R4i9o7ul4zh7JRWSwsZfY5HihpuN1fy407V0SeqRR9KT op2ll8WvUXA7f8/ogrtzzuRyUS/aycAiXuDRabcKMB4PX6FP7iE2MvDpxzXeZrk/ EAtKHUXYAKHLA9TCLkUlbZVIhzotgcPf8h6Nentf9lMRxtCqpxo+EQj1WmiS6jMN iJxaXy/FXeMp9KN/vPf5iS/JMzfjheUMFXpQfy/iiAz5fJnI0erfgbKKzmedIxU= =qrOA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 01:55:00 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:55:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/25/10, David Talkington wrote: > > > We're talking about the controls which directly affect the operation of > a > > > big machine. Those should not be subject to fads. > > > > > > > SNORK. I am getting bruised from falling off the chair.... > > > > N.B. I did not say "are not". I said "should not be". ;-) Different realities. > > Exactly. So which culture or level should you design too? > > > > The short, possibly tautological, answer to that is "the people who will > use your product". Remember, this discussion is about a button -- a kill > switch. Most people have similar expectations about a switch -- for now. > BUTT -- I think you over expect on capabilities. > > Which humans? > > > > I was thinking about this a bit ago, and it occurred to me that in 40 > years, we may very well find that there is a near-universal expectation that > you have to hold down a button for 3 seconds before the stupid machine turns > off! Certainly, the younger the user, the more likely that is to be true > already. We're not there yet ... Possible. But even today "capabilities" vary a LOT. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bergman at panix.com Fri Feb 26 02:01:05 2010 From: bergman at panix.com (bergman at panix.com) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:01:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:32:59 EST." <932D0862141A4111AF9F8AA6F67304A8@Tekki> References: <932D0862141A4111AF9F8AA6F67304A8@Tekki> Message-ID: <10252.1267149665@mirchi> In the message dated: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:32:59 EST, The pithy ruminations from "Rick Sorensen" on were: => The actual quote from the site: Oh, no! You're introducing actual facts, and about motorcycles too! => => -Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles? => --Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe => and prudent manner. => I wonder if that's like Montana's old "reasonable and prudent" speed non-limit...if you F-up, then by definition it wasn't "reasonable & prudent" and you're in violation. => => I thought this one was really funny! => => -I'm pregnant. The HOV lane requires two persons in a vehicle. Now that I'm => eating for two, can I use - => - this lane? => --California law requires that in order to utilize the HOV lane, there must => be two (or, if posted, => --three) separate individuals occupying seats in a vehicle. Until your Hmmm...what about cojoined twins (separate names, separate SSNs, shared body...I suppose they'd need a car with a bench seat)? What about people diagnosed with DSM 300.14 Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly Multiple Personality Disorder)...would that be multiple-but not separate-individuals? => "passenger" is capable of riding => --in his or her own seat, you cannot count them. => [SNIP!] => => Rick => I used to lane split in NYC all the time, and in VA less so..then in WA quite a bit. It's illegal in all 3 places. It wasn't the legality--or lack thereof--that guided when & where I'd lane split, but the overall ability/attitude/awareness of the drivers and the road conditions. Funny...in Philly I almost never lane split. Wonder why? :) ----- Mark Bergman Biker, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic, IATSE #1 Stagehand '94 Yamaha GTS1000A^2 bergman at panix.com http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman%40panix.com I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 15+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From darkside at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 26 02:28:02 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:28:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting Message-ID: <16657712.1267151282204.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: Brian Curry > >> > Even if we could wave a magic wand and lane splitting was legal in PA >> >> > tomorrow, would you do it? ....... >> >> In a heartbeat. > >It may be your last too. There are FAR too many ENVIOUS folks around >here. "If I can't do it, NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT". > >The X sister in law's brother in law said he would open his door on a >lane splitting motorcyclist. i have lane split in many other counties/cities. istanbul in rush hour traffic was my favorite 8^) . but in the usa,open your car door intentinally at your own risk, because when i get out of the hospital, you are going to hurt, alot, and i will have aliby's to prove it wasnt me that took you out (slowly), no jest. maybe we just found the difference between the my harley world and my bmw world? salitas y cervezas eric From Braveirwin at aol.com Fri Feb 26 02:51:47 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:51:47 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting Message-ID: <38db4.29bed88a.38b89143@aol.com> In a message dated 2/25/2010 4:57:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tc2wheel at gmail.com writes: I practice lane spliting quite often on the Schuylkill traveling into and out of the city, at times even pass the state trooper cruiser that's stuck in bumper to bumper traffic. I only lane split at speed below 25 mph, when traffic is near standstill and cars have no room to maneuver about. =========================================================== Bravo, Theo! That practice will help us all. I've noticed that when I do some bold or assertive (not aggressive) maneuver in traffic that I've never seen anyone do before, within days, I see others doing it. I attribute that not to the possibility that someone saw me do it, but to the "hundredth monkey phenomena." In Sanskrit, it is expressed as "Knowledge is structured in consciousness." This phenomena also has shown up numerous times throughout the world when scientists in a research facility in some part of the world are working on a particular problem and a solution is cognized (structured in consciousness), scientists working on the same problem in another part of the world and apparently unrelated by any concrete means, will almost simultaneously realize the same solution. (of course whoever has the best PR firm usually gets the kudos) So keep up the good work, Theo. I'll join in when I can. I know my brother did it all the time on the Schuylkill in the 60's. But there was a whole lot less traffic back then. Roddy. From t79eco at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 02:55:06 2010 From: t79eco at verizon.net (t79eco at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:55:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Datona Bike Week - condo to share!!! Message-ID: <8108615.37822.1267152906431.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Hi,All Quite unexpectedly, our friend sharing a condo with Tom & Kathy Mohn and Dan Whitfield in Daytona canceled due to a business crisis. Accordingly, we have a private room available in our 3 bedroom condo in Daytona Beach Shores on A1A. We have the condo from Saturday,Feb 27 through Sunday March 7. Cost is $506 for the long week or $63 per day for any part thereof. Anyone interested, please call Tom & Kathy's cell phone 732-713-3710 and "Come on Down!!" Eco Tom From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 03:21:33 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:21:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Jack could you bring some turtles along on March 20tH? Message-ID: http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/unusual_biomimetics_the_bacon_cheeseturtle_16008.asp (WS) I think they might be better received than the sliders and the haggis. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From wayne at 2zars.com Fri Feb 26 02:35:57 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:35:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT ramblings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>The icing on he cake was I dehydrated myself Saturday and formed a kidney >stone that I passed Tuesday >>evening. > > >Doesn't this old shit SUCK!!!??? But wait, there MORE ... After eating dinner, I took a piss and it looked more like Hawaiian Punch than Apple Juice, so off to the ER I go. Evidently, Mr. Kidney Stone's exit route was as elegant as a Jamacian Bobsled run :-( Nothing some antibiodics can't fix :-) Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From t42 at pobox.com Fri Feb 26 02:17:47 2010 From: t42 at pobox.com (David Talkington) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:17:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: <7A246D7C92CD4C5396B5DD3B5969EACB@9200c> References: <7A246D7C92CD4C5396B5DD3B5969EACB@9200c> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Makohin wrote: > So if I believe that I don't need to be aware of my feet, or the size of my > shoes, or the proximity or the brake pedal to the accelerator, or perhaps if I > didn't even think that far to consider my level of self-awareness, then I will > believe someone else should "do something" to ensure I don't get into trouble, > and I will blame them if I actually do get into trouble. Similarly, I will > blame someone else if I *believe* I am at risk (i.e., it's not my fault). I hope it was clear that I do not absolve the operator of responsibility to understand how to manage unexpected output. In my work-boot case, it was never a problem for me; a brief race of the engine is easily overcome in a number of ways. I just wanted to also not absolve the manufacturer of responsibility for a poor interface where warranted. The big-shoe case might or might not be something the designer should have anticipated, depending on a lot of things. And, of course, I'm talking about moral responsibility, which appears to have just about nothing to do with civil liability in this country. :( - -- David Talkington - -- t42 at pobox.com - -- PGP key: http://www.flyingjoke.org/keys/801E3976.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLhy9LAAoJEO7jL1CAHjl2KM4H+wQL5G0b3uRzxpKRNfubr84Z EH2V/YgB9G4v+sO6/g6CVPZT6rLRoTC+QjLBgD/0CBpTGOkIAm8nS7QcCSFvITz7 srOFtZDC+NJ9uM1do/PZZZVeRMF2KleP196FvN859XOo879F1a7X8rK/Si8Y/Ra2 Ug/P1t99knP1kPf8z9g2Tm1NS9lLiXYaiTTmdVeoudQVIBz+9s3lIfcGJx7PIF33 qdNPiN8GHataqsJ1GCtvpcILXLWDykAfb5drGWMHFygyQYwOcRUTLwzdxP8ymus7 SDlfXNxvotUKekfn2ag5ag0ZC4zTAw8/676STcem81NBS+DjkCN9EU8HuycaqWw= =bjc8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From 321design at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 03:32:51 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:32:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Kimi? Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002251932o40118962o1a44358f261b2ecb@mail.gmail.com> Kimi, Didn't know you rode a KTM. http://tinyurl.com/ykup7k6 Ducdude, was this you? -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 03:38:43 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:38:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Datona Bike Week - condo to share!!! In-Reply-To: <8108615.37822.1267152906431.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> References: <8108615.37822.1267152906431.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4a4431121002251938w18299dcj123b53bda63c271a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:55 PM, wrote: > Hi,All > Quite unexpectedly, our friend sharing a condo with Tom & Kathy Mohn and Dan Whitfield > in Daytona canceled due to a business crisis. ?Accordingly, we have a private room available in our 3 bedroom condo in Daytona Beach Shores on A1A. ?We have the condo from Saturday,Feb 27 through Sunday March 7. ?Cost is $506 for the long week or $63 per day for any part thereof. ?Anyone interested, please call Tom & Kathy's cell phone 732-713-3710 and "Come on Down!!" > > Eco Tom Here is a link showing views inside the Condo (with available room) near Ponce Inlet. http://www.poncerealty.com/rental/401%20Sanibel/rentaltours.htm Dano From bmwdick at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 03:48:29 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:48:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] ECO In-Reply-To: <8CC83017BEA5742-33C8-19B2@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC83017BEA5742-33C8-19B2@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:43 PM, wrote: > All > > > What is an ECO? ? Gordon > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > http://www.peraves.ch/ -- BMW-Dick From royer.scott at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 23:38:10 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:38:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <10b68dab1002251537i36cdcd18y7a39fad03225c1d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <10b68dab1002251537i36cdcd18y7a39fad03225c1d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> Dick No biggie. It doesn't take much to make you whine. Scott On Feb 24, 2010 10:09 PM, "Dick" wrote: Gary: Nice pix. They made me whine for better weather. 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URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/f398e3de/attachment.html From royer.scott at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 00:36:00 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:36:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <10b68dab1002251537i36cdcd18y7a39fad03225c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10b68dab1002251636p6170b4c5p695aa8238d3e4c3d@mail.gmail.com> Dick No biggie. It doesn't take much to make you whine. Scott On Feb 24, 2010 10:09 PM, "Dick" wrote: Gary: Nice pix. They made me whine for better weather. 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But you could shoot from the rooftop to increase range if its right next door. Just be careful not to drip on your side of the line! Maybe get empty paint balls and fill with agent orange..... Just helping of course.... EPH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/847624e6/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 04:16:36 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:16:36 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Trains and Tornadoes Message-ID: NOT a good mix: http://tomwade.me/tw/trains/tornado.php Just rolling down the rails and then things get all pear shaped. I do hope the engineers had a change of underwear with them. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 04:25:43 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:25:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Trains and Tornadoes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <76AED92007884D5DA722DF3BE4B1306B@Tekki> >http://tomwade.me/tw/trains/tornado.php Heh, and they say tornados 'sound like a freight train'...... From Ducdude at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 11:08:09 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:08:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Kimi? References: <74d2fbe11002251932o40118962o1a44358f261b2ecb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <068FBF910C0946658371418C12A6E8DC@heilveil5e3fdd> Hmmm odd someone stole my name....Damn.. Nope not me Duc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Haut" <321design at gmail.com> To: "Mac-Pac" ; "Kimi Bush" Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: [MAC-PAC] Kimi? > Kimi, Didn't know you rode a KTM. > > http://tinyurl.com/ykup7k6 > > Ducdude, was this you? > > > -- > Rob Haut > West Chester PA > '05 Rockster > '61 FC-170DRW > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From fawudd at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 12:43:29 2010 From: fawudd at gmail.com (W Thompson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:43:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: <85dad9891002251357y4ba1d87bm627be541e1d98549@mail.gmail.com> References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B86ED12.1050008@whatever2k.com> <85dad9891002251357y4ba1d87bm627be541e1d98549@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've also done some infrequent lane splitting in similar conditions, and once while a trooper sat on the shoulder. He was unable to move through the gridlock even if he wanted to ;-) I bet that a massive Lane-Splitting day could lead to it becoming accepted if not legal as long as it was low speed and only while in traffic. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:57 PM, T C wrote: > I practice lane spliting quite often on the Schuylkill traveling into and > out of the city, at times even pass the state trooper cruiser that's stuck > in bumper to bumper traffic. > > I only lane split at speed below 25 mph, when traffic is near standstill > and > cars have no room to maneuver about. > > -- > Theo Chao > Royersford, PA > Chances favor the prepared mind. > Master your environment and you will survive just fine. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/21fbce8a/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- http://classicvelocity.squarespace.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100226/56603f6d/attachment.html From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 12:54:13 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:54:13 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Would the BMW version of these keys look like? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B87C475.4060306@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > http://badasskeys.com/ > (WS) > > Discuss. > A bratwurst. From rdlebout at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 13:10:41 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:10:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC electric motorcycles In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002231842g543545feucd3f202fb30a6a59@mail.gmail.com> <4B866948.7070604@argolis.org> <2A84263DA23545D7924CB1B4E6FCD1F1@heilveil5e3fdd> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002260510u42812c94i7ab8dc51ffa781dd@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Erik Hoet wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Eric Ducdude wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> 3. Doin donuts on my bitch ass neighbors lawn at night....except the >> >> ?>> bitch has a 24/7 camera on her lawn to catch me cutting down her >> >> ?>> trees..still >> > >> > Air rifle. ?Paintball rifle. >> > >> >> Hmmmmm ?I like the way you think.. >> >> Duc >> _______________________________________________ >> > > Or one of those super soakers. ? Spray agent orange or your favorite > defoliant. ? Range is not that of an paintball rifle. ?But you could shoot > from the rooftop to increase range if its right next door. ? Just be careful > not to drip on your side of the line! > > Maybe get empty paint balls and fill with agent orange..... > > Just helping of course.... > > EPH > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100225/847624e6/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > If you need help with a problem neighbor may I suggest plastic pink flamingos A flock of these tropical birds will do wonders for relations You can tell business isn't good This is a great get away vehicle It can be ridden down narrow alleys and tossed into the back of a van on its side Just think of the possibilities 5.park van 6.remove bike and go to first store and remove cash 7.go to second store if conditions allow and remove cash 8.go back to van toss in bike and drive to second location 9.park and work on bike - remove orange colored material on tank and fenders (now white) 10. repeat 6-7-8 I think it would be a high stress job and there would be considerable travel involved (multi city) Someday you could write a book (from prison) If some of the proceeds were given to charity you could become a national hero (Robin Hood on two wheels) It could even become a television series Would promote motorcycles -- Bobby LeBoutillier From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 13:22:29 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:22:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B87CB15.9000402@argolis.org> Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/25/10, David Talkington wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Brian Curry wrote: >> >> >>> I am reminded of a an associate that had built some software for a >>> company or campaign. He got calls that it did not work right. And "I >>> am doing just what you said to do." Then he went over and watched >>> them. They did 5 or 10 different things wrongly. But they did not >>> see it as wrong. It is the way people are. >>> >> As an occasional software developer, a graduate of information science, and >> having been once married to a usability guru whose criticism goaded me into >> improving my methods, I must jump in here. It is not reasonable to blame >> the user for "doing things wrongly". Yes, people do dumb things with your >> software that you never intended -- but it is YOUR JOB as the architect to >> handle improper input gracefully, and to provide useful feedback if it >> doesn't understand what you want or if you are about to do something >> potentially destructive. > > I can likely dredge up examples I have had happen. I am sure that Tom > Cutter can to, where you say "do this" to fix your bike and give a few > steps that using your customary methods and techniques would work > fine. > > Since they don't know customary stuff, it turns to putty and then it > is mine or Tom's fault. Note how many times, that Tom notes he is not > big on giving tips over the phone to people he has no clue who they > are and what they might do. > > Try to design for EVERY IDIOT? You don't want that vehicle, and I > absolutely don't either. > > >> potentially dangerous condition which the architect can easily anticipate >> and can mitigate by anchoring the damned floor mat. > > "easily anticipate".... snork, guffaw, pick myself up off the floor. > There is potentially anticipate and then the impact on the desired > operation. > >> if they push the left-hand lever, the car stops quite abruptly. They also >> expect that pressing the button or turning the key will TURN OFF THE CAR. > > Software guy aren't you. Ever heard of contact bounce? As noted in > one of the article, would you really want the engine to turn off RIGHT > NOW, when you happen to push the button by accident? I suspect not. > > Keys, take real physical action. These vehicles don't have keys. > They have the latest wizzbang feature. > > The software spec writer anticipated people hitting the button > accidentally and had code written for that. Now you want it to go off > RIGHT NOW. > > Which is it? > > I can think of a work around of two buttons, but that is yet one more > thing and have some hints of why that might not work. How about an e-stop switch with a plastic cover on the dash? :) It think all the engine-stop stuff is missing the point: you don't really *want* the engine to stop, since you lose power steering and brakes. You want to train people to put the car in neutral (or step on the clutch for that 8% of the population). Although a friend of mine said this: "I look at this as a means of removing those who deal with crisis poorly." From motoedde2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 14:40:24 2010 From: motoedde2 at gmail.com (edde m) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:40:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B86ED12.1050008@whatever2k.com> <85dad9891002251357y4ba1d87bm627be541e1d98549@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:43 AM, W Thompson wrote: > I've also done some infrequent lane splitting in similar conditions, and > once while a trooper sat on the shoulder. He was unable to move through the > gridlock even if he wanted to ;-) > > I bet that a massive Lane-Splitting day could lead to it becoming accepted > if not legal as long as it was low speed and only while in traffic. > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:57 PM, T C wrote: > >> I practice lane spliting quite often on the Schuylkill traveling into and >> out of the city, at times even pass the state trooper cruiser that's stuck >> in bumper to bumper traffic. >> >> I only lane split at speed below 25 mph, when traffic is near standstill >> and >> cars have no room to maneuver about. I commute regularly from West Philly to Plymouth Meeting and have many opportunities to lane split and haven't. My reasons are the following: The average image of a motorcyclist is not that great currently in PA. Splitting lanes won't exactly help improve our image no matter how sensitive we are about the circumstances. So I suck it up...and ONLY split lanes is my car driver cuts me off aggressively and at that point, I split the lane and jump a couple cars ahead to get just in front of ignorant driver. Don't get me wrong, when I was in Cali, in Italy, London, etc. I lane split like mad...as its accepted practice over there and the image of bikers/scooterists is completely different than here. BUT if the bike community were to attempt to improve its image first and then tackle the issue of lane splitting next, I could see some success. Just my $.02 -- edde m 93 K75s, 84 Ascot VT 500(hers), 96 Tacoma 4x4 2.7L, 79 240D(hers) Philadelphia, US web: motoedde From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 12:57:42 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:57:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <8CC8493A5064064-2E94-28FA@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> References: <10b68dab1002251636p6170b4c5p695aa8238d3e4c3d@mail.gmail.com> <8CC8493A5064064-2E94-28FA@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: You got it wrong.....drinking wine is what I'm doin'.....nice Sterling Cabernet On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Gary Christman wrote: > Dick is making wine ????? > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Royer > To: Dick > Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com; Gary Christman > Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 7:36 pm > Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County > > Dick > No biggie.? It doesn't take much to make you whine. > Scott > > On Feb 24, 2010 10:09 PM, "Dick" wrote: > > Gary: > > Nice pix. They made me whine for better weather. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: >> Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... >> >> Here's some from an earlier rideabout........... > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100222/680c1d11/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mai... -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 13:01:47 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:01:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <10b68dab1002251537i36cdcd18y7a39fad03225c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Beam me up Scotty. If it doesn't stop snowing, the whining may turn into buckets of tears. Between the weather and yesterday's political theatre of the absurb I don't know whether to whine, sob, or puke. Dick On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Scott Royer wrote: > Dick > > No biggie.? It doesn't take much to make you whine. > Scott > > On Feb 24, 2010 10:09 PM, "Dick" wrote: > > Gary: > > Nice pix. They made me whine for better weather. > Dick > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Gary Christman wrote: > >> Winter is a good time to add more pics.......... >> >> Here's some from an earlier rideabout........... > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100222/680c1d11/attachment.html > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mai... -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 13:59:15 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:59:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Interesting Scientific Video about Climate Change Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_2bP9n3R0&feature=youtu.be&a -- BMW-Dick From edward.j.guzman at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:05:50 2010 From: edward.j.guzman at gmail.com (ejg) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:05:50 -0800 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Trains and Tornadoes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9e831f361002260705o3bd88161i186837921a32f229@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Brian Curry wrote: > NOT a good mix: > > http://tomwade.me/tw/trains/tornado.php > > Just rolling down the rails and then things get all pear shaped. ?I do > hope the engineers had a change of underwear with them. holy shit! the best part was watching the back half of the train that was still on its wheels inexorably continue into the back of the engines... Thanks for sharing that! -- e. From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 26 15:20:13 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:20:13 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Vote for this QMA car Message-ID: <45921.12.181.211.35.1267197613.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Guys, I would like a little favor. Toyota is having a design a car graphics contest for their NASCAR team. One of the Quarter Midget drivers (QMA) has entered a design. If he wins they will use the design in the all-star race. Voting is easy, Go to: http://www.sponsafier.com/#/gallery/view/88154 And click on the VOTE button in the lower right. You can vote once a day per computer. Thanks for your support. Race Safe, Joe From 321design at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:28:57 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:28:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Friday Humor - dinner time dog-man Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002260728o5110db6cq2f051bcc328f6ff2@mail.gmail.com> This is one of those dumb videos that keeps me laughing over and over. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0KcJ9su_z4 -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 15:39:43 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:39:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck Message-ID: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> Anyone want to help me load a moving truck? - Yes, I'm seriously trying to load a truck today. - No, I don't expect anyone to actually say yes. Supposedly, the wind and snow will stop sometime after 2PM. I'm not trying to load anything before that happens. From gary5410 at aol.com Fri Feb 26 15:41:17 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:41:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <10b68dab1002260719o20950636wcfc4988b59a93b38@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <10b68dab1002251537i36cdcd18y7a39fad03225c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> <10b68dab1002260719o20950636wcfc4988b59a93b38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC851144ED6656-2E94-B6AA@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> Fixed! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Royer To: Dick Cc: mac-pac-l at jtan.com; Gary Christman Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 10:19 am Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County Dick, ? You really got that right for a change.? I too cannot believe what giant A-holes those Democrats are being. ? Scott? On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Dick wrote: Beam me up Scotty. If it doesn't stop snowing, the whining may turn into buckets of tears. Between the weather and yesterday's political theatre of the absurb I don't know whether to whine, sob, or puke. Dick ? From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 15:43:10 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:43:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Vote for this QMA car In-Reply-To: <45921.12.181.211.35.1267197613.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <45921.12.181.211.35.1267197613.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <4B87EC0E.5070702@argolis.org> Joe Dille wrote: > Guys, > > I would like a little favor. Toyota is having a design a car graphics > contest for their NASCAR team. One of the Quarter Midget drivers (QMA) > has entered a design. If he wins they will use the design in the all-star > race. > > Voting is easy, Go to: > > http://www.sponsafier.com/#/gallery/view/88154 Hmm, no "I can't stop!" or, "Mechanically, I can't drive 55". :) From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 15:48:59 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:48:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Vote for this QMA car In-Reply-To: <45921.12.181.211.35.1267197613.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <45921.12.181.211.35.1267197613.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <4B87ED6B.70202@argolis.org> Joe Dille wrote: > Guys, > > I would like a little favor. Toyota is having a design a car graphics > contest for their NASCAR team. One of the Quarter Midget drivers (QMA) > has entered a design. If he wins they will use the design in the all-star > race. > > And click on the VOTE button in the lower right. You can vote once a day > per computer. Actually, Joe, I'm sorry but I have to go with this one. I might watch the race just to see it. http://www.sponsafier.com/#/gallery/view/399 Actually, it looks like you can vote for multiple cars per day, so I'll vote for both. From jfox204 at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 15:52:11 2010 From: jfox204 at comcast.net (James T. Fox, IV) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:52:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck In-Reply-To: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> Message-ID: <6805E342-4510-4B8F-B10B-11FAD62789AD@comcast.net> Hey, Matt, Details? Where are you doing this? Etc., etc. Jim Fox R1100GS Kimberton/Phoenixville On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Anyone want to help me load a moving truck? > > - Yes, I'm seriously trying to load a truck today. > - No, I don't expect anyone to actually say yes. > > Supposedly, the wind and snow will stop sometime after 2PM. I'm not > trying to load anything before that happens. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From kgbruce at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 16:23:15 2010 From: kgbruce at verizon.net (Ken Bruce) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:23:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> Message-ID: > Anyone want to help me load a moving truck? > > - Yes, I'm seriously trying to load a truck today. > - No, I don't expect anyone to actually say yes. ------------------------------- Hey Matt, If you end up waiting til tomorrow morning I can help. Ken Bruce From motorrader at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 16:52:25 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:52:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR References: Message-ID: I'm equally perplexed as to why Toyota is getting hammered so hard considering Ford has had more issues with sudden acceleration historically...see article below and the chart...especially the chart!!! edde m My view from the cockpit. Well, first it was Audi, then BMW, Mercedes, GM, Ford, Toyota, etc. etc. Lets face it everyone likes to accelerate suddenly. We are all in too much of a hurry these days and when we crash and cause havoc, we immediately blame the vehicle. The only vehicle that was NEVER indicted in a sudden acceleration case was the Yugo.........that damn cart couldn't get out of it's own way ! :) Now, the real sad story was the fellow who was sentenced to 8 years in the slammer for manslaughter after his Toyota sped off uncontrollably hitting and killing someone.............they didn't believe his story,......... until now !! See ya on the slopes, Todd From jaburke4 at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 17:25:57 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:25:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] (Mac-Pac) BMW Superbike 2010. Trailer. Message-ID: <1D964746-D637-470C-90AB-166D041FD149@verizon.net> Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGVyMV_unkA&feature=digest John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From motorrader at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 17:26:30 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:26:30 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B86ED12.1050008@whatever2k.com> <85dad9891002251357y4ba1d87bm627be541e1d98549@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >I practice lane spliting quite often on the Schuylkill traveling into and > out of the city, at times even pass the state trooper cruiser that's stuck > in bumper to bumper traffic. > > I only lane split at speed below 25 mph, when traffic is near standstill > and > cars have no room to maneuver about. > Theo Chao Man, you got some nerve. If that State Trooper didn't have a dozen dunkin donuts in his lap at the time........you'd have been toast. Oh,......... and try that lane splitting manuever on some seasoned Kensington rebel coming off a seven day binge or an Eagles fan after a tough loss and you'll find yourself and your bike in the bottom of the Schuykill. I wouldn't press my luck if I were you. :) The Troublemaker From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 17:27:38 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:27:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Another inventor of toys from many here's childhood has passed Message-ID: Inventor of the Easy Bake Oven and co-creator of Spirograph has died http://consumerist.com/2010/02/the-inventor-of-the-easy-bake-oven-has-died.html http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Kenner-SUPER-SPIROGRAPH-2400-extras_W0QQitemZ120533459969QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c105aa401#ht_500wt_1182 -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 26 17:28:48 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:28:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck In-Reply-To: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B8804D0.1050603@ptd.net> Matt Piechota wrote: > Anyone want to help me load a moving truck? > > - Yes, I'm seriously trying to load a truck today. > - No, I don't expect anyone to actually say yes. > > Supposedly, the wind and snow will stop sometime after 2PM. I'm not > trying to load anything before that happens. > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > > > I would but bad back and shoulder so I have 2 excuses....not to mention the travel distance. Chris From motorrader at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 17:34:52 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:34:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Friday Humor Message-ID: <5947A772060D4C118712433ED1177108@dellfe483b726d> Subject: J'aime bien! An American tourist in London decides to duck out of his tour group and explore the city on his own. He wanders around, seeing the sights, occasionally stopping at a quaint pub to soak up the local culture, chat with the locals, and have a pint of beer. After a while, he finds himself in a very nice neighbourhood with big, stately residences...no pubs, no shops, no restaurants, and worst of all NO PUBLIC TOILETS. He really, really has to go, after all those pints of Guinness. He finds a narrow side street, with high walls surrounding the adjacent buildings and decides to use the wall to solve his problem. As he is unzipping, he is tapped on the shoulder by a London police officer, who says, "Excuse me, sir, you simply cannot do that h ere, you know." "I'm very sorry, officer," replies the American, "but I really, really have to go, and I just can't find a public restroom." "Ah, yes," said the policeman..."Just follow me". He leads the American along a back alley to a gate, which he opens. "In there," points the policeman. "Go ahead sir, anywhere you like." The American enters and finds himself in the most beautiful garden he has ever seen. Manicured grass lawns, marble statues, fountains, sculptured hedges, and huge beds of gorgeous flowers, all in perfect bloom. Since he has the policeman's blessing, he relieves himself and feels much more comfortable. As he goes back through the gate, he says to the police officer, "That was really decent of you... is that what you call English hospitality?" "No sir...", came the reply, "...that is what we call the French Embassy." From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Fri Feb 26 17:56:28 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:56:28 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50665.12.181.211.35.1267206988.squirrel@12.181.211.35> > > I'm equally perplexed as to why Toyota is getting hammered so hard > considering Ford has had more issues with sudden acceleration > historically...see article below and the chart...especially the > chart!!! > edde m > > > My view from the cockpit. > Snip... > > Now, the real sad story was the fellow who was sentenced to 8 years in the > slammer for manslaughter after his Toyota sped off uncontrollably hitting > and killing someone.............they didn't believe his story,......... > until now !! > Maybe not. The dude was driving a 1997 (or older) car. This would not have the same problem. Ride Safe, joe From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 18:02:46 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:02:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck In-Reply-To: <6805E342-4510-4B8F-B10B-11FAD62789AD@comcast.net> References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> <6805E342-4510-4B8F-B10B-11FAD62789AD@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4B880CC6.3060405@argolis.org> James T. Fox, IV wrote: > Hey, Matt, > > Details? Where are you doing this? Etc., etc. Surprisingly, several people asked for more info. I figured this post would elicit more of a 'Sucks to be you' response. So, the details: - The move is starting at my house, in Coatesville, PA. - The move is ending in Lexington Park MD, tomorrow. There are people there to help; obviously I wouldn't ask anyone to make the trip down. - I have a 14' Penske truck parked in a snow bank in front of my house. - Nearly all of Beth's stuff is packed in boxes. There is still a bed to be moved, some IKEA wardrobes to be disassembled, and a dresser from upstairs, along with a few boxes. - There are NO couches, pool tables, large works of sculpture, or barbells to be moved. Some of the containers of books do a pretty goo impersonation of free weights, however. - As for time, I'm hoping to wait until the snow stops, hopefully after 2PM I'll be able to shift cars around and get the truck backed up to the garage. I'm figuring to start loading in earnest at 3-4PM or so. If anyone wants to come help, that would be great. Given the weather and last minute nature, I really don't expect anyone. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 18:36:11 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:36:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Getcher GENUINE primordial ooze now! Message-ID: Your running out of season to get down there. Soon it will be DARK and COLD http://www.good.is/post/science-rules-antarctic-glacier-has-five-story-blood-red-waterfall-of-primodial-ooze Kinda neat. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From rcavalie at verizon.net Fri Feb 26 18:38:28 2010 From: rcavalie at verizon.net (Richard A. Cavaliere) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:38:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <02f701cab661$fc65bf90$f5313eb0$@com> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> <02f701cab661$fc65bf90$f5313eb0$@com> Message-ID: <002001cab712$e37e9ae0$aa7bd0a0$@net> -----Original Message----- From: mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com [mailto:mac-pac-l-bounces+rcavalie=verizon.net at jtan.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rys Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:32 PM To: 'Mac-Pac' Subject: Re: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD << I bought the BMW repair manual on DVD for my 2006 R1200GSA. I suspect that BMW continues to use the same format. It installed completely on my computer, so DVD is not required once it is installed. It covers a range of bike models. It surely could be improved, but if you want a manual, you may not have a lot of choice. These manuals do show up on E-Bay for under $20 - if you search for BMW REPROM you can see some of the pages in the current adverts. The bottom line for me was that it was worth it, you can find basic settings (torque, wear limits, valve clearance ...), lots of photos. It also has step by step procedures for most jobs. Can be a little hard to find stuff and I don't normally bring my laptop down to the shop, so typically I just print out the applicable pages, prior to any specific job. SNIPPAGE New BMW bikes have CAN-Bus and there is a tool for that; I think it was the GS-911. Unless you are an advanced back yard mechanic, going to the dealer will be the best thing as they, have better tools and training and can update software, which is becoming a bigger part of bikes and cars every year. Rick Rys 2006 R1200GSA >> Rick & Tom (Cutter), Thanks for the info. I'll shop around for the DVD Manual. Even though it's expensive it'll be worth it. The first service (600 miles) is an oil change, a rear drive fluid change, and checking some fault codes, resetting the service nag, etc. Dealers want $250 for that. That's almost the cost of the GS-911. I can do all those things if I just buy the manual and the GS-911. And then I have them forever. But first I need this friggin' snow to clear so I can put 600 miles on the bike! I rode it home from the dealer and put on 15 miles before this snow came. I never had 160 Hp at my fingertips before, it's just freakin' amazing. Even at 2500 rpm in 5th gear, you hit the throttle and you're a whiplash victim! After all those years on my 1985 K100RT, I feel like Rip Van Winkel in Bikerland. .... Lots to Learn, Rick Cavaliere 2009 K1300GT 1985 K100RT From brian at whatever2k.com Fri Feb 26 18:44:21 2010 From: brian at whatever2k.com (Brian Burdette) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:44:21 -0600 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Is this wrong? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B881685.8020806@whatever2k.com> On 02/26/2010 11:26 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > http://blog.riflegear.com/archive/2007/12/26/hello-kitty-ar-15---evil-black-rifle-meets-cute-and.aspx > (Maybe not WS, shows weapon) Read the comments ... it's pretty amazing how many people want to know why someone would need an assault rifle. -- Brian Burdette -- brian at whatever2k dot com -- Pleasant Hill MO, USA From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 18:45:58 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:45:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Is this wrong? In-Reply-To: <4B881685.8020806@whatever2k.com> References: <4B881685.8020806@whatever2k.com> Message-ID: On 2/26/10, Brian Burdette wrote: > On 02/26/2010 11:26 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > > > > http://blog.riflegear.com/archive/2007/12/26/hello-kitty-ar-15---evil-black-rifle-meets-cute-and.aspx > > (Maybe not WS, shows weapon) > > > > Read the comments ... it's pretty amazing how many people want to know why > someone would need an assault rifle. Can we get them into Toyota's that have not been fixed? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 18:53:24 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:53:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Florida Message-ID: <4a4431121002261053r22e43ca4g9af6eaa4e99e6d66@mail.gmail.com> Tom Mohn and Kathy just cell phoned saying they crossed the Florida line heading to St. Augustine for the night, then Daytona in the morn. I just got done with the dirty work (new rear tire and left stab tire) and will leave in the AM. We should be there before sundown tomorrow. WAHOOOOOOO!!!! ECO Dano From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:07:26 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:07:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: <50665.12.181.211.35.1267206988.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <50665.12.181.211.35.1267206988.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Joe Dille wrote: .....> Snip... [Todd said:] >> >> Now, the real sad story was the fellow who was sentenced to 8 years in the >> slammer for manslaughter after his Toyota sped off uncontrollably hitting >> and killing someone.............they didn't believe his story,......... >> until now !! >> > Maybe not. ?The dude was driving a 1997 (or older) car. ?This would not > have the same problem. > This Minneapolis case was mentioned on NPR at noon today, and has been in the news: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/25/crimesider/entry6242320.shtml It was a 1996 Toyota Camry, which is not on the recall list. The driver is in year 2 of an 8 year sentence for vehicular homicide. While driving his own family back from church he slammed into another car, killing three. His statement: "I know 100 percent in my heart that I took my foot off the gas and that I was stepping on the brakes as hard as possible". His lawyer is working on getting a release. The damaged Toyota is still in police custody. The family of the victims is now excusing him and starting to sue Toyota. My guess is that the gas pedal may have been the old cable mechanism, but I have no info on this. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:14:54 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:14:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck In-Reply-To: <4B880CC6.3060405@argolis.org> References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> <6805E342-4510-4B8F-B10B-11FAD62789AD@comcast.net> <4B880CC6.3060405@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > James T. Fox, IV wrote: >> Hey, Matt, >> >> ? ? ? Details? ?Where are you doing this? ?Etc., etc. > > Surprisingly, several people asked for more info. ?I figured this post > would elicit more of a 'Sucks to be you' response. > > So, the details: > - The move is starting at my house, in Coatesville, PA. Uh, could you be a little more specific? Phone number and updated time window might help. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:18:45 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:18:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] BMW Repair Manual DVD In-Reply-To: <002001cab712$e37e9ae0$aa7bd0a0$@net> References: <001001cab645$d66b5f00$83421d00$@net> <02f701cab661$fc65bf90$f5313eb0$@com> <002001cab712$e37e9ae0$aa7bd0a0$@net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Richard A. Cavaliere wrote: snip..... > ? ? ? ?But first I need this friggin' snow to clear so I can put 600 miles > on the bike! I rode it home from the dealer and put on 15 miles before this > snow came. I never had 160 Hp at my fingertips before, it's just freakin' > amazing. Even at 2500 rpm in 5th gear, you hit the throttle and you're a > whiplash victim! After all those years on my 1985 K100RT, I feel like Rip > Van Winkel in Bikerland. > Rick, try to keep both wheels down for that first 600. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 19:28:31 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:28:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck In-Reply-To: References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> <6805E342-4510-4B8F-B10B-11FAD62789AD@comcast.net> <4B880CC6.3060405@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B8820DF.2000402@argolis.org> Doug Raymond wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: >> James T. Fox, IV wrote: >>> Hey, Matt, >>> >>> Details? Where are you doing this? Etc., etc. >> Surprisingly, several people asked for more info. I figured this post >> would elicit more of a 'Sucks to be you' response. >> >> So, the details: >> - The move is starting at my house, in Coatesville, PA. > > Uh, could you be a little more specific? > > Phone number and updated time window might help. > > Sorry, old habits: never post personal info the internets. :) Home phone: 610-400-1707. I'm going to shuffle cars around in a few minutes, so the truck will be in place by 3PM. 125 Marquis Dr, Coatesville, PA 19320 From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 19:42:07 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:42:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck In-Reply-To: <4B8820DF.2000402@argolis.org> References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> <6805E342-4510-4B8F-B10B-11FAD62789AD@comcast.net> <4B880CC6.3060405@argolis.org> <4B8820DF.2000402@argolis.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Matt Piechota wrote: > Doug Raymond wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Matt Piechota >> wrote: >>> >>> James T. Fox, IV wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey, Matt, >>>> >>>> ? ? ?Details? ?Where are you doing this? ?Etc., etc. >>> >>> Surprisingly, several people asked for more info. ?I figured this post >>> would elicit more of a 'Sucks to be you' response. >>> >>> So, the details: >>> - The move is starting at my house, in Coatesville, PA. >> >> Uh, could you be a little more specific? >> >> Phone number and updated time window might help. >> >> > > Sorry, old habits: never post personal info the internets. :) > > Home phone: 610-400-1707. ?I'm going to shuffle cars around in a few > minutes, so the truck will be in place by 3PM. > > 125 Marquis Dr, Coatesville, PA 19320 > So if I got there at 4 would that be any use? -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From rsorens at comcast.net Fri Feb 26 19:44:00 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:44:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <8CC851144ED6656-2E94-B6AA@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >You really got that right for a change.? I too cannot believe what giant A-holes those Democrats are being. Stinky fish bait....Pftuey! From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 20:16:59 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:16:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR In-Reply-To: References: <50665.12.181.211.35.1267206988.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: I said that someone might have an agenda. Someone else pointed me to this. It is certainly a potential. I have NO EVIDENCE that it is the reason that Toyota is being hammered. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/business/04uaw.html (WS) However, it sure would fit. A PR person might be able to indicate if such campaign could be started w/o any OBVIOUS linkage. It basically is getting the right person moving and then the snowball starts. Current snow would be a GOOD example of snow ready to ball. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From piechota at argolis.org Fri Feb 26 20:22:33 2010 From: piechota at argolis.org (Matt Piechota) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:22:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Moving Truck In-Reply-To: References: <4B87EB3F.6050200@argolis.org> <6805E342-4510-4B8F-B10B-11FAD62789AD@comcast.net> <4B880CC6.3060405@argolis.org> <4B8820DF.2000402@argolis.org> Message-ID: <4B882D89.6040207@argolis.org> Doug Raymond wrote: >> Home phone: 610-400-1707. I'm going to shuffle cars around in a few >> minutes, so the truck will be in place by 3PM. >> >> 125 Marquis Dr, Coatesville, PA 19320 >> > > So if I got there at 4 would that be any use? > Certainly. I've just finished shifting most of the boxes, but there's still furniture to be moved. Beth is offering a batch of cookies of their choice to anyone who shows up to help. I'm offering beer, water, and a selection of bourbons and single-malt scotch. From honeybrk at dejazzd.com Fri Feb 26 20:34:50 2010 From: honeybrk at dejazzd.com (Marge Busch) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:34:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR References: <50665.12.181.211.35.1267206988.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <00cc01cab723$2514f7f0$4101a8c0@FastHP> This whole Toyota thing brings new meaning to their ad saying 80% of all Toyotas are still on the road! Marge From mjcantwe at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 20:56:19 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:56:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Modified Winter Olympic Event... Message-ID: <8bafeb801002261256y8a0ae86i6623bdec59ac01ab@mail.gmail.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71e_TxmCaxk From rys at R2Controls.com Fri Feb 26 21:28:01 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:28:01 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Interesting Scientific Video about Climate Change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cab72a$935f82a0$ba1e87e0$@com> Regarding the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_2bP9n3R0&feature=youtu.be&a Dick, Interesting video on Global Warming - but it may not be so scientific. The "so called experts" speaking in the video are not world class climate modelers. The Union of Concerned Scientists published a study listing David Legates among several scientists it described as 'familiar spokespeople from ExxonMobil-funded organizations' that have regularly taken stands or sponsored reports questioning the science behind climate change warnings. ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science. There are many other companies that might have similar motives. These organizations are real climate experts: National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR, in Boulder, Colorado, USA), Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research (in Exeter, UK) Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (GFDL, in Princeton, New Jersey, USA) Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Germany These scientists are not perfect, models are evolving, and they need some oversight - I suggest this site to follow the real climate model issues: http://www.realclimate.org/ The issue of temperature historically preceding CO2 is well known to climate modelers, but does not let man made CO2 off the hook as a problem. The issue of the solar cycles (sunspots) is included in the climate models. There is some uncertainty exactly how sun spots act to reduce cosmic rays (high speed protons) and why there is a correlation between cloud formation, cosmic rays, and sunspot activity. In fact there are a number of uncertainties in the climate models but there is enough understanding to know that man-made CO2 is a major cause of the earth's temperature increase, never mind the energy security problem - aka we are running out of oil and gas. As a Chemical Engineer that has worked in dozens of Refineries most of my career helping to make all those great liquid energy products that run our fabulous machines, I did step back and question the impact of my work as global warming became connected to the CO2 that I diligently helped to make over the past 30 years. >From the AICHE code of ethics: I.e. Hold paramount the safety, health and welfare of the public and protect the environment in performance of their professional duties. A few years ago I was asked to sign a petition from the GWPP basically denouncing Global Warming, so this set me off on a mission to figure it out for myself. Global warming models are necessarily very complicated and I have given up on understanding them in detail, but suffice it to say I did not sign that petition and became a bit suspicious of GWPP motives as I tracked the organization to a less than stellar biochemist, writing papers with his wife and son. It is easy to question the climate models because the models have many uncertainties and must make assumptions in order to get any results. My question to the professional skeptics like David Legates would be: What are the exact predictions from your climate models and how have you validated your models? Are you saying that CO2 concentration has 0.0 impact on the earth's temperature? How did you compute that? Do you have a real contribution to help make climate models more accurate? If you were riding your bike up a twisty mountain road and some fog rolled in adding some uncertainty about the next turn, do think you ought to slow down a little? Sorry for the long rant here but I have come to learn that the MAC-PAC group does not always trust the government of, by, and for the lobbyists and regularly doubts the unbiased expert opinions paraded by the mainstream media. Rick Rys 2006 R1200 GSA www.R2controls.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 21:48:40 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:48:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Interesting Scientific Video about Climate Change In-Reply-To: <002a01cab72a$935f82a0$ba1e87e0$@com> References: <002a01cab72a$935f82a0$ba1e87e0$@com> Message-ID: On 2/26/10, Rick Rys wrote: > The Union of Concerned Scientists published a study listing David Legates > among several scientists it described as 'familiar spokespeople from > ExxonMobil-funded organizations' that have regularly taken stands or > sponsored reports questioning the science behind climate change warnings. > ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a > network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on > global warming science. There are many other companies that might have > similar motives. Do you have similar numbers for the amount of tax payer funds that have been shoveled into the "good models"? A ratio for that? From the numbers that I have seen the taxpayer funding is HUGE compared to any private funding. > Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research (in Exeter, UK) If I remember right, these were the guys e-mailing how to address the issue of the DATA not being congruent with their preditions. > These scientists are not perfect, models are evolving, and they need some > oversight - I suggest this site to follow the real climate model issues: > http://www.realclimate.org/ > > > The issue of temperature historically preceding CO2 is well known to climate > modelers, but does not let man made CO2 off the hook as a problem. The > issue of the solar cycles (sunspots) is included in the climate models. > There is some uncertainty exactly how sun spots act to reduce cosmic rays > (high speed protons) and why there is a correlation between cloud formation, > cosmic rays, and sunspot activity. In fact there are a number of > uncertainties in the climate models but there is enough understanding to Can you give any validation of the "good climate models"? What I have seen, and I have read some of the IPCC reports is they are not sure of their models. And there are HUGE assumptions on the forcing factors. If you take current models from a few years back, "run them" and then compare the runs versus reality it is not pretty from what I have seen. > for myself. Global warming models are necessarily very complicated and I > have given up on understanding them in detail, but suffice it to say I did However validation checks are not that tough. > It is easy to question the climate models because the models have many > uncertainties and must make assumptions in order to get any results. My So, where it the validation of them? > question to the professional skeptics like David Legates would be: What are > the exact predictions from your climate models and how have you validated > your models? That sword cuts both ways. If you were riding > your bike up a twisty mountain road and some fog rolled in adding some > uncertainty about the next turn, do think you ought to slow down a little? It might depend on why I was doing it. Consider life w/o all the benefits of that CO2 being produced. It would be rather sparse and a lot of people would be dead, or not exist. People can talk of renewables to a fare thee well, but they don't scale. You can't put up enough solar panels. You can't put up enough wind mills. And neither is going to get you down the road. You might be able to build enough nukes, but that is a whole 'nother can of worms. There are some "interesting" times coming with advocacy groups advocating w/o any consideration of the real impacts of result of their advocation. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Fri Feb 26 23:00:16 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:00:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Chrome World...Garmin 660 $549.95 w/ free shipping Message-ID: <4B885280.6020803@ptd.net> While supplies last..... http://www.chromeworld.com/ Chris Jaccarino From Braveirwin at aol.com Sat Feb 27 01:45:43 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:45:43 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Toyota and PR Message-ID: <3487c.8cb82b7.38b9d347@aol.com> In a message dated 2/26/2010 3:35:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, honeybrk at dejazzd.com writes: This whole Toyota thing brings new meaning to their ad saying 80% of all Toyotas are still on the road! ==================================================== Volvo tried that sneaky ad several decades ago. I can hardly believe it is being tried again. Volvo said "10 out of 11 volvos sold in the last 10 years are still on the road. What we found out in short order was that 10 out of 11 volvos sold in the last 10 years were sold in the previous 2 years. Let's hope they are still on the road. Roddy. From mjcantwe at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 02:21:17 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:21:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC Random motorcycle pics .... Message-ID: <8bafeb801002261821s5976998fh3d18e3df3a745fbc@mail.gmail.com> @ 0:07 0:18 0:30 0:49 1:28 1:33 1:49 2:00 2:05 and 2:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ymhq6afE4M&feature=fvw Let me know if I missed any.... From jaburke4 at verizon.net Sat Feb 27 02:24:15 2010 From: jaburke4 at verizon.net (John Burkhauser) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:24:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Looks like fun! Message-ID: <4C26F188-CDFC-4D5B-91AE-EB22E2E2B046@verizon.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyt6I0F3mFw John Burkhauser jaburke4 at verizon.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100226/57ec2b47/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 02:53:55 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:53:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: VERY cool plane Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrJ5_LnF0Q It has "just a bit" of flaps... Damn. I think part of the unique braking system, is a reversing prop. Real short take off roll too. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwdick at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:26:57 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:26:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: <10b68dab1002260719o20950636wcfc4988b59a93b38@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <10b68dab1002251537i36cdcd18y7a39fad03225c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> <10b68dab1002260719o20950636wcfc4988b59a93b38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There you go, siding with Ducdude again. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Scott Royer wrote: > Dick, > > You really got that right for a change.? I too cannot believe what giant > A-holes those Republicans are being. > > Scott > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Dick wrote: >> >> Beam me up Scotty. >> If it doesn't stop snowing, the whining may turn into buckets of tears. >> Between the weather and yesterday's political theatre of the absurb I >> don't know whether to whine, sob, or puke. >> Dick >> >> -- BMW-Dick From royer.scott at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:19:54 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:19:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Rideabout Lycoming County In-Reply-To: References: <8CC81E9221A1AC9-4010-68FF@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> <10b68dab1002251537i36cdcd18y7a39fad03225c1d1@mail.gmail.com> <10b68dab1002251538u7207a5b5yf97ebcf8527fa461@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <10b68dab1002260719o20950636wcfc4988b59a93b38@mail.gmail.com> Dick, You really got that right for a change. I too cannot believe what giant A-holes those Republicans are being. Scott On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Dick wrote: > Beam me up Scotty. > If it doesn't stop snowing, the whining may turn into buckets of tears. > Between the weather and yesterday's political theatre of the absurb I > don't know whether to whine, sob, or puke. > Dick > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100226/eb832d59/attachment.html From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sat Feb 27 04:32:07 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:32:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: VERY cool plane In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4B8859F7.1281.A3ECAC4@localhost> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrJ5_LnF0Q > > It has "just a bit" of flaps... Damn. I think part of the unique > braking system, is a reversing prop. Real short take off roll too. > You have to really be on your game to fly something like this. All that power commands some respect. 42 gallons per hour! Those spoilers can come in real handy for landing. Cool plane indeed. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 11:29:16 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:29:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC speed camera alert Message-ID: <3f2b32881002270329y270cbc8agb314f409b1b90c4d@mail.gmail.com> available over there across the pond I don't know why anyone would need one of these http://abunndance.co.uk/gps-sat-nav/moto-v1-motorbike-gps-speed-camera-alert-skp- -- Bobby LeBoutillier From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 12:45:54 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:45:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC BMW Design students create a fuel cell powered BMW bike Message-ID: <3f2b32881002270445k668abb29uffebcce6f9036752@mail.gmail.com> http://blodic.us/sports/video-design-students-create-a-fuel-cell-powered-bmw-bike-36-0.htm -- Bobby LeBoutillier From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 12:52:11 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:52:11 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC This dealer knows what it is all about Message-ID: <3f2b32881002270452r461cc7cfj59adee13a026eeff@mail.gmail.com> http://motorcycles.autosa7.com/?p=1306 Just over the next hill St Louis, MO -- Bobby LeBoutillier From mjcantwe at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 13:05:04 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:05:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. Message-ID: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> I guess I won't be taking a ride around the block for a bit.... http://picasaweb.google.com/mjcantwe/Feb272010#5442906560244182338 ...it's not much. We probably got a total of 18 wet and heavy inches. My euonymus was collapsed almost flat. It'll be interesting to see how it springs back with warmer weather. From rtbeemer2 at verizon.net Sat Feb 27 13:14:14 2010 From: rtbeemer2 at verizon.net (Mark Barr) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:14:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT Model Cars From Years Ago Message-ID: These cars "should" bring back many memories to many on this list. Here's Michael Paul Smith photographing his model cars and accessories outdoors combined with real backgrounds. The photos at the end reveal how he does it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/24796741 at N05/sets/72157604247242338/show/with/2346008881/If you're not familiar with "Flikr" - put the cursor in the upper right andread help - you can set the speed, pause (space bar), and "show info" toread his notations for each picture.Enjoy !!Mark BarrNew Britain, PA07 R1200 GS Adventure From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 13:17:05 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:17:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC dema a ZERO at Daytona Message-ID: <3f2b32881002270517i341c88e6v2e1560aba6659ea5@mail.gmail.com> http://gaduginews.blogspot.com/2010/02/demo-zero-motorcycle-at-daytona-bike.html make your reservation -- Bobby LeBoutillier From rys at R2Controls.com Sat Feb 27 13:51:27 2010 From: rys at R2Controls.com (Rick Rys) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:51:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Interesting Scientific Video about Climate Change In-Reply-To: References: <002a01cab72a$935f82a0$ba1e87e0$@com> Message-ID: <004c01cab7b3$f58f2af0$e0ad80d0$@com> Brian, If you like Nuclear Power you might find Bill Gates recent talk on www.TED.org interesting. He is a big supporter of the new traveling wave reactor design - being developed by TerraPower LLC. It appears to be possible to fuel a reactor with waste fuel that lasts 100 years, burning down like a cigarette. Still a bit experimental, but potentially a big breakthrough. Just hopes Bill makes reactors better than operating systems. Bill also suggested the book: Sustainable Energy without the hot air - I downloaded this (free) and found it very useful - it has lots of "simple" equations and useful calculations with assumptions exposed. Another rather cool energy invention released this week is the innovative "BloomBox" A small box you can hold in your hand that could electrically power your whole house. It's a fuel cell that runs on hydrocarbons and they have several large scale prototypes that have been working to power large buildings like the Google server center in CA. Maybe a future powering a motorcycle? You are correct to observe the scaling problem for renewables, but I disagree on the "you cannot put up enough comment". To make solar or wind work on a large scale they require some very big and very visible changes to the landscape compared to the concentrated energy of Carbon fuels or Nuclear power. Big changes like this will be kind of shocking and unsightly. It will be kind of like our highway system and power lines; a big scar on the land, hard to accept at first but hardly noticeable once used to it. There is enough wind in South Dakota alone to power 25% of the US grid, if only you had transmission lines. Denmark today gets 20% of their power from wind. Once the basic permits are in place you can construct a wind turbine in a month, a big advantage over Nuclear. Solar PV and solar thermal need a few breakthroughs to get costs down, but solar could power the US grid 10 times over. Unfortunately, it would be hard to avoid some major impact on the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico. Still it may be better than sacrificing forests and farmland to make Biofuel. The validation of climate models is an integral task of climate modeling and there is always room for model improvements. The IPCC as a group does not make models but they assess the models of organizations like those that I mentioned and they are clear in their implication of manmade CO2 as the main reason for global warming. While the multi-government funding sources for IPCC can lead to some bias it would be much harder to structure an unbiased privately funded organization. All these energy options have valid objections, but doing nothing and hoping it works out is a bad option when we need a major course correction. In my view a carbon tax is the best option to handle the CO2 problem, as it at least keeps wall street from taking a huge unproductive cut they will get with the Cap and Trade method. Whatever method is used business needs consistent long term rules to plan investments. It is risky for governments to pick the winners, and I think that free market competition can work to keep prices as low as possible. That said, I predict wind power will emerge as a winner, because we can build the factories to make them, we have the wind, they can connect to the grid without major problems, and they can be quickly deployed. The US is super-sizing wind turbines. The designs on the drawing board include new 5-15MWatt turbines with blades up to 90 meters long and direct drive (no gearbox) generators. Even ignoring the climate issues I think our economy would be much more secure if we match consumption to the fuel and power we make from our own resources and cut back on our $600 Billion per year imported fuel bill. Rick Rys 2006 R1200 GSA From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 27 14:11:02 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:11:02 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Interesting Scientific Video about Climate Change In-Reply-To: <004c01cab7b3$f58f2af0$e0ad80d0$@com> References: <002a01cab72a$935f82a0$ba1e87e0$@com> <004c01cab7b3$f58f2af0$e0ad80d0$@com> Message-ID: <8CC85CDD43C09BE-6BC8-B9B6@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> <> Every discussion of this type makes some sweeping generalizations, and some small points that stick hard in my craw. This one sticks. Deserts are ecosystems, too. There is no valid "It's better to destroy that kind instead of this kind" argument, any more than it is more OK to drive ugly animals to extinction and favor preservation of cute, cuddly ones. I just wanted to throw that out there. I have no real desire to participate in the rest of this "Gee, look how smart I am" contest. Carry on. --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:16:14 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:16:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC Harley announces 2 new electric bike models (lie) Message-ID: <3f2b32881002270616if0acf30va817e8844bff19c@mail.gmail.com> MC Harley announces 2 new electric bike models Sorry I lied but it did get your attention. explosion in electric bike demand could double the size of the two wheeled market, http://www.gizmag.com/466-million-electric-motorcycles-by-2016/14306/ -- Bobby LeBoutillier From 321design at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:29:54 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:29:54 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC Harley announces 2 new electric bike models (lie) In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002270616if0acf30va817e8844bff19c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002270616if0acf30va817e8844bff19c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002270629k368f7472g7cc8c08f485b43d0@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > explosion in electric bike demand could double the size of the two > wheeled market, > > http://www.gizmag.com/466-million-electric-motorcycles-by-2016/14306/ > OK Bobby, when are you getting your electric MC? -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 14:32:27 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:32:27 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC Harley announces 2 new electric bike models (lie) In-Reply-To: <74d2fbe11002270629k368f7472g7cc8c08f485b43d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002270616if0acf30va817e8844bff19c@mail.gmail.com> <74d2fbe11002270629k368f7472g7cc8c08f485b43d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002270632r285f71c3u6c26729d77714b2f@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Rob Haut <321design at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Roberts LeBoutillier > wrote: > >> explosion in electric bike demand could double the size of the two >> wheeled market, >> >> http://www.gizmag.com/466-million-electric-motorcycles-by-2016/14306/ >> > > > OK Bobby, when are you getting your electric MC? > > -- > Rob Haut > West Chester PA > '05 Rockster > '61 FC-170DRW > when I am the right weight. best guess - two years -- Bobby LeBoutillier From chrisjac at ptd.net Sat Feb 27 14:33:50 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:33:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yike Bike for you city commuters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B892D4E.10500@ptd.net> http://www.yikebike.com/site/gallery/video/yikebike-discovery-channel Chris Jaccarino From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 27 14:42:00 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:42:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yike Bike for you city commuters In-Reply-To: <4B892D4E.10500@ptd.net> References: <4B892D4E.10500@ptd.net> Message-ID: <8CC85D227871436-6BC8-BECC@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> http://www.yikebike.com/site/gallery/video/yikebike-discovery-channel For $1000 I'd by that as a perfectly storable pit bike and "run downtown to the ost office" vehicle. For $7000, they can keep em. --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Sat Feb 27 14:57:47 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:57:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yike Bike for you city commuters In-Reply-To: <8CC85D227871436-6BC8-BECC@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B892D4E.10500@ptd.net> <8CC85D227871436-6BC8-BECC@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B8932EB.9020904@ptd.net> Tom Cutter wrote: > > http://www.yikebike.com/site/gallery/video/yikebike-discovery-channel > > For $1000 I'd by that as a perfectly storable pit bike and "run > downtown to the ost office" vehicle. > > For $7000, they can keep em. > I didnt get as far as the price. I wouldnt even buy one for $1000. But $7000...lol....they need to outsource production to China and get the price down to $129.97 at Walmart. Chris Jaccarino From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 15:01:38 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:01:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/27/10, Michael Cantwell wrote: > I guess I won't be taking a ride around the block for a bit.... > > http://picasaweb.google.com/mjcantwe/Feb272010#5442906560244182338 > > > ...it's not much. We probably got a total of 18 wet and heavy inches. > My euonymus was collapsed almost flat. It'll be interesting to see how > it springs back with warmer weather. I wonder if Will Wier is finally happy with "some snow". -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 15:08:29 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:08:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yike Bike for you city commuters In-Reply-To: <4B8932EB.9020904@ptd.net> References: <4B892D4E.10500@ptd.net> <8CC85D227871436-6BC8-BECC@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> <4B8932EB.9020904@ptd.net> Message-ID: On 2/27/10, Chris wrote: > Tom Cutter wrote: > > > > http://www.yikebike.com/site/gallery/video/yikebike-discovery-channel > > > > For $1000 I'd by that as a perfectly storable pit bike and "run > > downtown to the ost office" vehicle. > > > > For $7000, they can keep em. > > > > > I didnt get as far as the price. I wouldnt even buy one for $1000. > But $7000...lol....they need to outsource production to China and get > the price down to $129.97 at Walmart. Neither one of you will ever get to hang out with the cool kids with that attitude. It is only money. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From motorrader at verizon.net Sat Feb 27 15:10:43 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:10:43 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: The Stoogeum, Three Stooges Museum, Spring House, PA Message-ID: Tomorrow does not look good as far as riding goes, BUT it does look like a terrific day to visit The Stoogeum, in nearby Spring House, PA. My brother and I couldn't get enough of these merry pranksters when we were kids growing up in the fifties. About once a month the doors open up to the general public and the admission is free. I am told by a fellow coworker that this place is incredible and well worth a visit. So if you have nothing else going on why don't you stop by and see for yourself. Sunday 28 February 2010.............10am- 3pm http://www.stoogeum.com/ tt From motoleo at verizon.net Sat Feb 27 15:38:39 2010 From: motoleo at verizon.net (Lenny Seidman) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:38:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: The Stoogeum, Three Stooges Museum, Spring House, PA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have been there and the place is unbelievable...a real must see. From the outside you would never know what is behind those walls. Its a real museum and the exhibits and graphics are designed very nicely. Lenny On 2/27/10 10:10 AM, "Todd Trumbore" wrote: > > Tomorrow does not look good as far as riding goes, BUT it does look like a > terrific day to visit The Stoogeum, in nearby Spring House, PA. > > My brother and I couldn't get enough of these merry pranksters when we were > kids growing up in the fifties. > > About once a month the doors open up to the general public and the admission > is free. I am told by a fellow coworker that this place is incredible and > well worth a visit. So if you have nothing else going on why don't you stop > by and see for yourself. > > Sunday 28 February 2010.............10am- 3pm > > http://www.stoogeum.com/ > > tt > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From rsorens at comcast.net Sat Feb 27 15:41:59 2010 From: rsorens at comcast.net (Rick Sorensen) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:41:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yike Bike for you city commuters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It is only money. >From BRIAN CURRY, no less! His butt squeaks when he walks.... And 'it's only money'...HAHAHAHAHA From willweir at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 15:53:39 2010 From: willweir at gmail.com (Will Weir) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:53:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > > I wonder if Will Wier is finally happy with "some snow". > > -- Well, we got over 20 inches. Now it's 40 degrees and snowing again. Should be able to get some good riding in before this is all over. Made some trails around the property for the kids to ride but will wait for everyone else to go break in the trails. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 15:58:52 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:58:52 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC speed camera alert In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002270329y270cbc8agb314f409b1b90c4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f2b32881002270329y270cbc8agb314f409b1b90c4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/27/10, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > available over there across the pond > > I don't know why anyone would need one of these > > http://abunndance.co.uk/gps-sat-nav/moto-v1-motorbike-gps-speed-camera-alert-skp- Weren't you the one that told me of the HEAVY enforcement, revenue generation zone right up Whitford Road from you? Some travel further afar. Plus Britian is LOADED with speed camera's. With this you just have to note the alerts. In Japan they have them along the toll roads. Mounted inside chain link enclosures.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From gary5410 at aol.com Sat Feb 27 16:02:29 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:02:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] V8 on the cheap In-Reply-To: <8CC85DCD69BCB2E-360C-7599@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC85DCD69BCB2E-360C-7599@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CC85DD653EEB9A-360C-766A@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> Should work on a moto through your earbuds! Maybe they'll come out with a 1000 RR one for our boxers! V8 on the cheap TURN UP YOUR VOLUME!??????????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 16:52:17 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:52:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Floating ground problem at NY house Message-ID: Question for electrical engineers, please: At my brother's old cottage in upstate NY a tree branch fell on the electric wires (and is still laying on them). Power went off in some kind of flukey way. I think the main breaker tripped (not sure yet). There were 'bad electric smells' around the house. When he tripped the main back on he measured 247V AC at electric outlets, expecting 120 of course. Many poles bring the electric service through a field to the house, and the problem tree is between the last pole and the house. On closer inspection today he finds that the branch broke the bare ground cable, right at a previous splice (chinese finger trap). I am assuming that the two hot lines in their insulated cable are undamaged. Obviously the 2 hot lines are supposed to be at 240V with respect to each other, and each should be at 120V with respect to the now missing ground. Though the house has its own earth ground, as I see it the 2 hot lines are now 'floating'. In theory they could drive 240V appliances with no trouble, but the 120V circuits of course won't work. Of course the cable will get fixed somehow, though this will take days to get the right equipment or people through the snow drifts. Meanwhile: -how dangerous is this in the house if the power is left "on"? (don't worry, it won't be) -what would happen to a light bulb? My take on this is that it is a floating ground problem, and voltage measurement at a 120V outlet is meaningless because there is no ability to drive current. But are there other worries, such as current surge in older wires? I'm concerned about the smells. Thanks. -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 16:32:35 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:32:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Mike: You wrote: "My euonymus was collapsed almost flat. It'll be interesting to see how it springs back with warmer weather." That is a strange name for it... Have you considered taking Viagara? With just a couple of pills on the weekend, you might be able to salvage something from the remaining days of the winter season. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From 321design at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:19:10 2010 From: 321design at gmail.com (Rob Haut) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:19:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Jim R. will want to bookmark this site Message-ID: <74d2fbe11002270919q52f4c201o710b3aaddab65114@mail.gmail.com> http://www.happygoatcaramel.com/home.html -- Rob Haut West Chester PA '05 Rockster '61 FC-170DRW From jasiii at earthlink.net Sat Feb 27 17:27:53 2010 From: jasiii at earthlink.net (Jim Sterling) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:27:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Floating ground problem at NY house Message-ID: <29901125.1267291675940.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Turn the main breaker OFF NOW... Why take any chances.. Floating power does strange things to anything and everything plugged it Jim >Subject: [MAC-PAC] Floating ground problem at NY house > >Question for electrical engineers, please: > James Sterling III Ride Safe '96 R1100RS Red of course MOA 124289 RA 31244 AMA 808881 From ephoet at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:29:37 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:29:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Floating ground problem at NY house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Turn off the main breaker until normal power is restored.? Its a line problem, the high voltages will burn out everything 120v in the house. Normal equipment is expecting 120V line to neutral.? Applying 247v will not help them to run better or faster...... And the house wiring should be inspected, burnt electrical odors suggest that several items have already died prematurely...... Call the power company, and call the insurance company.? Then have an electrical inspection.... this is not good.?? Who is liable will be an argument with the power company. Sounds like the neutral is open back to the pole.? Open neutrals do very bad things..... The ground rod at the house provides the local ground (0 v) reference. However, N current must return to the pole transformer.?? If not through their bare line on their service drop, neutral currents will return through the high resistance ground connection at the panel. (this current would be the imbalance between the two 120V lines. (240 with respect to each other).?? The neutral is likely grounded at the pole as well, so the currents travel via the earth from the house ground rod back to the pole ground line.? Not a low resistance path by any means, earth being a rather lousy conductor with 100+ feet from the house to the pole.??? Because of that earth resistance 0 V at the house ground rod is NOT the same 0V at the pole. Being and "old cottage" I would also inspect the panel's ground path. Most older places had crappy galvanized ground rods, and many did not also bond the panel ground to the copper house piping. Then again, if fed from a well with a plastic line, that doesn't help much. May need to put in real ground rod. An electrician should check for that. Conceivably 240V? (two pole) breakers could be left on, as they do not require a N connection.? 120v single pole breakers must be OFF until the N path is restored.? But unless he's sure what he's doing, safer to turn it all off. The branch on the line must be removed.? Could be HOT, best to wait for the power company.? THe line may have to be replaced if the insulation is damaged. Insulated boots on top of rubber mat may provide sufficient isolation; heavy rubber gloves too.? But it is a risk to remove a branch by yourself on an energized line.?? Have a spotter, maybe even with a dry nylon rope attached to pull you off in case .....? The? line will snap upward once the branch is removed, so that's another issue. Not sure what you mean by a "current surge".?? Current is driven by applied voltage and load resistance. Wires can handle short term "surges", its the heat generated with a long term overcurrent that would damage insulation.? Melting and burning are not good.?? Load devices do not surge on their own, but applying 240v to a 120v device will get some interesting results. None of them good. Lots of luck....... Erik H ------------------------ On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Doug Raymond wrote: > > Question for electrical engineers, please: > > At my brother's old cottage in upstate NY a tree branch fell on the > electric wires (and is still laying on them). ?Power went off in some > kind of flukey way. ?I think the main breaker tripped (not sure yet). > There were 'bad electric smells' around the house. ?When he tripped > the main back on he measured 247V AC at electric outlets, expecting > 120 of course. > > Many poles bring the electric service through a field to the house, > and the problem tree is between the last pole and the house. > > On closer inspection today he finds that the branch broke the bare > ground cable, right at a previous splice (chinese finger trap). ?I am > assuming that the two hot lines in their insulated cable are > undamaged. > > Obviously the 2 hot lines are supposed to be at 240V with respect to > each other, and each should be at 120V with respect to the now missing > ground. > > Though the house has its own earth ground, as I see it the 2 hot lines > are now 'floating'. ?In theory they could drive 240V appliances with > no trouble, but the 120V circuits of course won't work. > > Of course the cable will get fixed somehow, though this will take days > to get the right equipment or people through the snow drifts. > > Meanwhile: > -how dangerous is this in the house if the power is left "on"? ?(don't > worry, it won't be) > -what would happen to a light bulb? > > My take on this is that it is a floating ground problem, and voltage > measurement at a 120V outlet is meaningless because there is no > ability to drive current. > > But are there other worries, such as current surge in older wires? > I'm concerned about the smells. > > Thanks. > > -- > -- --------------- > Doug Raymond > R1150RT '02 > Ambler, PA > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From ephoet at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:35:04 2010 From: ephoet at gmail.com (Erik Hoet) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:35:04 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC speed camera alert In-Reply-To: References: <3f2b32881002270329y270cbc8agb314f409b1b90c4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > On 2/27/10, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: >> available over there ?across the pond >> >> ?I don't know why anyone would need one of these >> > Some travel further afar. ?Plus Britian is LOADED with speed camera's. > ?With this you just have to note the alerts. ?In Japan they have them > along the toll roads. ?Mounted inside chain link enclosures.... > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Moto V1 database covers over 10,000 speed camera zones in Europe" Will only cover speed traps in Europe. Maybe they offer a US version. If not, will not ever work this side of the pond. eph From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 17:46:08 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:46:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Floating ground problem at NY house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Erik Hoet wrote: > Turn off the main breaker until normal power is restored.? Its a line > problem, the high voltages will burn out everything 120v in the house. > ?Normal equipment is expecting 120V line to neutral.? Applying 247v > will not help them to run better or faster...... > .... Thanks guys, that's what I wanted to know about the floating ground. Please don't worry: main breaker will stay off and my brother is not about to put an aluminum ladder in a snow drift to go up and fix the power line or the branch. I'll terminate my questions here and now, because the repair and upgrade of this problem get into practically hopeless decisions that I don't wish to drag others into. For starters, the electric power comes in on many old poles through our land, and through our tree. I doubt the power company will do anything, it's on us. Not to mention the 2 feet of snow beneath the tree, not to mention a dozen other problems.... I'll tell my brother to quit sticking his fingers in the outlets and we'll take it from here. :):) -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 18:07:08 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:07:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002271007r3dc8b3ddudb08386b87f12793@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Mike: > > You wrote: > "My euonymus was collapsed almost flat. It'll be interesting to see how > it springs back with warmer weather." > > That is a strange name for it... Have you considered taking Viagara? > With just a couple of pills on the weekend, you might be able to > salvage something from the remaining days of the winter season. > > > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack > The Lindbergh Baby > West Chester, Pa > > "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still > have to be nice to them, at first." > ? My Mother, Rita Riepe > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > Don't make the mistake of waiting for these tired plants to spring back to life. Look at it like this, they failed you and they do not deserve the opportunity of a second chance. So rip them ou and replace them. I know a great garden center where you can buy all your replacement plants. If you are from out of state, please disregard this message. I was speaking of Pennsylvania plants only. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From kaldewaay at live.com Sat Feb 27 18:08:14 2010 From: kaldewaay at live.com (Alain Kaldewaay) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:08:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mid Atlantic Riders BMW Club Message-ID: Jack As(s), requested here is the MARS news letter page. You will find wonderful stories about the BMW MC club in Delaware. ASAP I will be touring the Delaware area via motorcycle this trip should take me at least a week or more. I know your happy to join me and I'm sure BMW Dicky will come too, why don't you write about the possible up-coming Delaware ride. http://midatlanticriders.com/?q=node/2 Alain _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 18:13:37 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:13:37 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Time to go to the Philadelphia Flower Show???? Message-ID: It is GREEN! It opens Sunday for a week http://www.theflowershow.com/ShowInfo/index.html Some here might recognize a name in this listing of exhibitors: http://www.theflowershow.com/Exhibits/garden.html I wonder if there ia a GS in the exhibit? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 18:30:44 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:30:44 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Floating ground problem at NY house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/27/10, Doug Raymond wrote: > There were 'bad electric smells' around the house. When he tripped Not a good thing. Ozone smells are one thing. Burning insulation another. None of us can smell them from here. I thinkk=. > the main back on he measured 247V AC at electric outlets, expecting > 120 of course. If one leg has a low resistance connection like a light bulb and the other leg where he is measuring, has about nothing, that is what he might be seeing. NOT a good thing. > On closer inspection today he finds that the branch broke the bare > ground cable, right at a previous splice (chinese finger trap). I am > assuming that the two hot lines in their insulated cable are > undamaged. Your into electrical contractor territory at least. MOST of the time, the electric company owns up to the meter, and you own from there. Even if you paid to have the line installed, once it is up and energized I believe it is "theirs". (Local regulations may be different, IANAL) > Though the house has its own earth ground, as I see it the 2 hot lines > are now 'floating'. In theory they could drive 240V appliances with > no trouble, but the 120V circuits of course won't work. You and many can get confused between "neutral" which is a current return, and ground which is not supposed to be. They are similar but not the same. > Of course the cable will get fixed somehow, though this will take days > to get the right equipment or people through the snow drifts. Figure out how to get plowed to the area. First priority. And one you can deal with. > Meanwhile: > -how dangerous is this in the house if the power is left "on"? (don't > worry, it won't be) > -what would happen to a light bulb? Yes, and it depends. > My take on this is that it is a floating ground problem, and voltage > measurement at a 120V outlet is meaningless because there is no > ability to drive current. If you see 120V there SURE IS the ability to drive current. Voltage is WHAT drives current. > But are there other worries, such as current surge in older wires? > I'm concerned about the smells. Voltage "surges" drive current surges. No voltage, no current. Your going to have damage. It is just a question of what. I would get a trained electrical professional there to look at it and check it. I remember checking Bryan Jones house snd "drying out" the old electrical wiring. Kinda drying. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From mjcantwe at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:10:59 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:10:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002271007r3dc8b3ddudb08386b87f12793@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> <3f2b32881002271007r3dc8b3ddudb08386b87f12793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002271110r2fdb6cdcpf5500ba2c8e949a8@mail.gmail.com> The burning bush I have is actually 3 individual plants that have grown to about eight feet tall. A very nice looking set of plants. I got them as layered shoots from a plant that was well over 100 years old and they have done remarkably well here in Wilmington. The parent plant was in a garden that dated back to the mid nineteenth century. I will not be able to get another one like it. Thanks for the advice though Roberts. Michael From rdlebout at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:27:33 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:27:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002271110r2fdb6cdcpf5500ba2c8e949a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> <3f2b32881002271007r3dc8b3ddudb08386b87f12793@mail.gmail.com> <8bafeb801002271110r2fdb6cdcpf5500ba2c8e949a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002271127p614434b6u458b94128b0a7009@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Michael Cantwell wrote: > The burning bush I have is actually 3 individual plants that have > grown to about eight feet tall. A very nice looking set of plants. I > got them as layered shoots from a plant that was well over 100 years > old and they have done remarkably well here in Wilmington. The parent > plant was in a garden that dated back to the mid nineteenth century. I > will not be able to get another one like it. Thanks for the advice > though Roberts. > > Michael > Those plants could be cut back to 5 feet high and by the fall season would look great again.Also it was not advice it was a cheap shot at getting some sales. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:30:07 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:30:07 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <3f2b32881002271127p614434b6u458b94128b0a7009@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> <3f2b32881002271007r3dc8b3ddudb08386b87f12793@mail.gmail.com> <8bafeb801002271110r2fdb6cdcpf5500ba2c8e949a8@mail.gmail.com> <3f2b32881002271127p614434b6u458b94128b0a7009@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2/27/10, Roberts LeBoutillier wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Michael Cantwell wrote: > would look great again.Also it was not advice it was a cheap shot at > getting some sales. Would a bunch of bikers hanging out at your exhibit at the Philly Flower Show help or hurt??? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From chrisjac at ptd.net Sat Feb 27 19:43:21 2010 From: chrisjac at ptd.net (Chris) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:43:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] V8 on the cheap In-Reply-To: <8CC85DD653EEB9A-360C-766A@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC85DCD69BCB2E-360C-7599@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> <8CC85DD653EEB9A-360C-766A@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B8975D9.8080207@ptd.net> Gary Christman wrote: > Should work on a moto through your earbuds! > > Maybe they'll come out with a 1000 RR one for our boxers! > > > V8 on the cheap > > TURN UP YOUR VOLUME! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo > > Hey, instant Harley for a majority of the 4- wheel crowd! Chris Jaccarino From tpcutter at aol.com Sat Feb 27 19:48:48 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:48:48 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Floating ground problem at NY house In-Reply-To: <29901125.1267291675940.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <29901125.1267291675940.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC85FD0346908E-1E64-B30A@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com> <> Amen, brother! Lack of a solidly-connected ground means that you have 240V looking for a way back to Momma. Underground plumbing can be a good alternative ground path, so I'd avoid any reading time on the plumbing, if you take my meaning. Makes you wish we had some smart EE's on board here, huh? I could figger it out, but math is hard. --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com From kaldewaay at live.com Sat Feb 27 20:42:55 2010 From: kaldewaay at live.com (Alain Kaldewaay) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:42:55 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mid Atlantic Riders BMW Club In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Dear Mr. BMW Dick, I finally got a hold of your appointment secretary, but she told me she does not want you to ride with any Dutch people who owns AK47's and M-72 Anti-tank weapons . I told her I was legal here in the United States, but she still refused to make the appointment. So it looks like this will be a solo ride. Sincerely, DAK Dangerous Alain KAldewaay > Alain: > My calendar is filling up quickly. Please call my appointment > secretary to see if we can fit this in. > BMW-Dick > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From bmwdick at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 13:14:39 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:14:39 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - Saturday Snicker -- The Funeral Message-ID: The Funeral: A cardiologist died and was given an elaborate funeral. A huge heart covered in flowers stood behind the casket during the service. Following the eulogy, the heart opened, and the casket rolled inside. The heart then closed, sealing the doctor in the beautiful heart forever. At that point, one of the mourners burst into laughter. As all eyes stared at him, he said, ?I?m sorry, I was just thinking of my own funeral?.I?m a gynecologist.? That?s when the proctologist fainted. -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 13:29:12 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:29:12 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bafeb801002270505x4497f10eic916fc54df18dc25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That will teach you to keep it in your pants. On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Michael Cantwell wrote: (SNIP) > My euonymus was collapsed almost flat. It'll be interesting to see how > it springs back with warmer weather. -- BMW-Dick From bmwdick at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 19:48:40 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:48:40 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mid Atlantic Riders BMW Club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alain: My calendar is filling up quickly. Please call my appointment secretary to see if we can fit this in. BMW-Dick On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Alain Kaldewaay wrote: > > Jack As(s), requested here is the MARS news letter page. > You will find wonderful stories about the BMW MC club in Delaware. > ASAP I will be touring the Delaware area via motorcycle this trip should take me at least a week or more. > I know your happy to join me and I'm sure BMW Dicky will come too, why don't you write about the possible up-coming Delaware ride. > > http://midatlanticriders.com/?q=node/2 > > Alain > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- BMW-Dick From royer.scott at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 20:05:33 2010 From: royer.scott at gmail.com (Scott Royer) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:05:33 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mid Atlantic Riders BMW Club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10b68dab1002271205x4799b604n2c5542d7a6c65a3e@mail.gmail.com> Alain, I am pretty sure you can see all of DE in one afternoon (unless you make frequent stops at all the biker bars SR On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Alain Kaldewaay wrote: > > Jack As(s), requested here is the MARS news letter page. > You will find wonderful stories about the BMW MC club in Delaware. > ASAP I will be touring the Delaware area via motorcycle this trip should take me at least a week or more. > I know your happy to join me and I'm sure BMW Dicky will come too, why don't you write about the possible up-coming Delaware ride. > > http://midatlanticriders.com/?q=node/2 > > Alain > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sat Feb 27 21:29:46 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:29:46 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Yike Bike for you city commuters In-Reply-To: <8CC85D227871436-6BC8-BECC@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> References: <4B892D4E.10500@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4B89487A.30089.DE2793A@localhost> > > http://www.yikebike.com/site/gallery/video/yikebike-discovery-channel > > For $1000 I'd by that as a perfectly storable pit bike and "run > downtown to the ost office" vehicle. > > For $7000, they can keep em. I agree, but they won't be $7000 for ever. They may never get to $1000 (except if the Chinese make them.) However, they are cool. They don't look too safe. The high wheel design is good for going, but not for stopping. Ride Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 21:36:35 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:36:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] I wonder if there is a Camel Owners of Arabia organization? Message-ID: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61O44O20100225 (WS) DUBAI (Reuters) - Ten golden-colored camels adorned with sparkling ornaments line up for the finale of a beauty contest in one of the UAE's northern emirates, awaiting the selection of two proud winners. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sat Feb 27 21:38:16 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:38:16 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B894A78.32205.DEA4145@localhost> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Brian Curry wrote: > > > > > I wonder if Will Wier is finally happy with "some snow". > > > > -- > > > Well, we got over 20 inches. Now it's 40 degrees and snowing again. > Should be able to get some good riding in before this is all over. > Made some trails around the property for the kids to ride but will > wait for everyone else to go break in the trails. I spent this morning shovelling the race track. The Oaklane track was full of snow. When we got there most of it was full to the top of the track wall. About 10 of us got most of it done. All of the off-track areas are done (pits, staging and starting areas.) Turns 1- 2 are clear and there is a wide path around the inside and outside of the rest. This week some guys will come over with a skid steer and a dump truck to get the rest now that there is a clear spot to manuver. Novice school is next week! --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 22:55:24 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:55:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mounting an aux tank on your bike Message-ID: I think someone here asked. Here is one person's effort: http://picasaweb.google.com/FrogPirate/VStromTank# (WS) Not a BMW but deal with it. Getting the right leg on the right side might be "interesting". I don't think I could swing over it. Not the attention to custom color coordination between the aux tank cover and the bag mounts. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 22:57:18 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:57:18 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Some investigation into the effect of cell phones on your brain while driving Message-ID: http://cartalk.com/ddc/ (WS) Those smarter than me can tell us what the changes REALLY mean. There IS a change. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 23:33:28 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:33:28 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Live video feed out of Chile Message-ID: http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1&hpt=C2 I am sure that if I knew Spanish I would get more out of it, but the pictures show that a "whole lot went on". Ships where you would not expect them and containers out in the water and NOT on a ship. Lotsa stuff "scattered around". -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsoverview.com From tc2wheel at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 02:02:56 2010 From: tc2wheel at gmail.com (T C) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:02:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Lane Splitting In-Reply-To: References: <23292.12.181.211.35.1267129769.squirrel@12.181.211.35> <4B86ED12.1050008@whatever2k.com> <85dad9891002251357y4ba1d87bm627be541e1d98549@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <85dad9891002271802n7e199158j5bd65727d18c420b@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Todd Trumbore wrote: > > > I practice lane spliting quite often on the Schuylkill traveling into and >> out of the city, at times even pass the state trooper cruiser that's stuck >> in bumper to bumper traffic. >> >> I only lane split at speed below 25 mph, when traffic is near standstill >> and >> cars have no room to maneuver about. >> Theo Chao >> > > > Man, you got some nerve. If that State Trooper didn't have a dozen dunkin > donuts in his lap at the time........you'd have been toast. > > Oh,......... and try that lane splitting manuever on some seasoned > Kensington rebel coming off a seven day binge or an Eagles fan after a > tough loss and you'll find yourself and your bike in the bottom of the > Schuykill. I wouldn't press my luck if I were you. :) > > The Troublemaker > > Like I said, I only lane split at speed below 25 mph, when traffic is near standstill and cars have no room to maneuver about. I don't ride on the shoulder, at speed below 25 mph, they have clear view of my license plate and could have easily turned on their flashing lights and sirens to catch up, but they never did, just let me go about my business. -- Theo Chao Royersford, PA Chances favor the prepared mind. Master your environment and you will survive just fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.jtan.com/pipermail/mac-pac-l/attachments/20100227/72e208db/attachment.html From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 02:05:49 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:05:49 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Pictures from Chile Message-ID: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/02/earthquake_in_chile.html (WS) Just amazing. There is BMW moto content here too BTW. It appears that "tagging" graffiti" is a problem down there too. In one of the shots it would have been a bad time to be a guy with BPH taking a leak late a night. Reinforced concrete power poles may not be "earthquake proof". Another observation about a building being "earthquake proof". The building may survive to the point that it does not collapse and kill people. However, it may be so structurally damaged that it cannot be reoccupied. You end up with a building that needs to be torn down to "build something else". Lotsa scrap material coming up in Chile. We may be short of winter produce for a bit too. Chile being a major source of it during the winter months here. Oh, and being on an elevated highway, or on a bridge during an earthquake is NOT a good thing. Can be a VERY BAD time. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsoverview.com From whitfield.dan at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 02:57:41 2010 From: whitfield.dan at gmail.com (Dan Whitfield) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:57:41 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona is cold (but fun so far) Message-ID: <4a4431121002271857j6388a5cdpab9ff2ae515544d2@mail.gmail.com> Rode from Greensboro this morn down to Daytona. Arrived 3:30PM met up with Tom and Kathy Mohn and got settled in (nice digs). Took both ECO s to Crabby Joes n' ate grits and shrimp. ECO Dano C From Braveirwin at aol.com Sun Feb 28 03:23:45 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:23:45 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC Harley announces 2 new electric bike models (lie) Message-ID: <17ad.17159cdd.38bb3bc1@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2010 9:32:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdlebout at gmail.com writes: when I am the right weight. best guess - two years ================================== Bobby, I can get you there in a few weeks. You can bring Jack along too. Roddy. From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 03:26:38 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:26:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Some folks do race when it is REALLY COLD OUT. Message-ID: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3327514&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=60020664888&id=771714252#!/photo.php?pid=3327514&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=60020664888&id=771714252&fbid=312001769252 (WS) If that does not work try: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=60020664888&ref=ts -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsoverview.com From tpcutter at aol.com Sun Feb 28 03:57:57 2010 From: tpcutter at aol.com (Tom Cutter) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:57:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona is cold (but fun so far) In-Reply-To: <4a4431121002271857j6388a5cdpab9ff2ae515544d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a4431121002271857j6388a5cdpab9ff2ae515544d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC86415914F383-732C-1599B@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com> Dan- Do you ever go to the Lighthouse Landing Restaurant down on Ponce Inlet (the old original inlet) ? Great conch and crabcakes. --? Tom Cutter Yardley, PA http://www.RubberChickenRacingGarage.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Whitfield To: Mac-Pac Sent: Sat, Feb 27, 2010 9:57 pm Subject: [MAC-PAC] Daytona is cold (but fun so far) Rode from Greensboro this morn down to Daytona. Arrived 3:30PM met upwith Tom and Kathy Mohn and got settled in (nice digs). Took both ECOs to Crabby Joes n' ate grits and shrimp.ECO DanoC_______________________________________________Mac-pac-l mailing listMac-pac-l at jtan.comhttp://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l From Braveirwin at aol.com Sun Feb 28 04:22:44 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:22:44 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. Message-ID: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2010 2:11:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mjcantwe @gmail.com writes: The burning bush I have is actually 3 individual plants that have grown to about eight feet tall. A very nice looking set of plants. I got them as layered shoots from a plant that was well over 100 years old and they have done remarkably well here in Wilmington. The parent plant was in a garden that dated back to the mid nineteenth century. I will not be able to get another one like it. Thanks for the advice though Roberts. ==================================================== Michael, Euonymus (burning bush) is really quite hardy. I've cut very old ones and very young ones back to a few inches from the ground and they come back quite well. Wait to see how well they spring up as they start to leaf out and then just remove any part that is so unattractive that you can't live with that part of them. It doesn't take long for them to be eight feet high again. Roddy. From Braveirwin at aol.com Sun Feb 28 04:34:52 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:34:52 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mounting an aux tank on your bike Message-ID: <340c.5b25107f.38bb4c6c@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2010 5:55:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bmwbrian at gmail.com writes: I think someone here asked. Here is one person's effort: http://picasaweb.google.com/FrogPirate/VStromTank# =============================================== What are the official looking stickers on the top back end of the tank? Does it need to be inspected and passed by some authority to be used? Roddy. From Braveirwin at aol.com Sun Feb 28 04:43:59 2010 From: Braveirwin at aol.com (Braveirwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:43:59 EST Subject: [MAC-PAC] Some investigation into the effect of cell phones on your brain... Message-ID: <373b.144991b5.38bb4e8f@aol.com> In a message dated 2/27/2010 5:57:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bmwbrian at gmail.com writes: Those smarter than me can tell us what the changes REALLY mean. There IS a change. ================================================ Is there a similar change when the driver is talking to a passenger in the car? Why or why not? Roddy. From rdlebout at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 12:06:57 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 07:06:57 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Vote for this QMA car In-Reply-To: <45921.12.181.211.35.1267197613.squirrel@12.181.211.35> References: <45921.12.181.211.35.1267197613.squirrel@12.181.211.35> Message-ID: <3f2b32881002280406l44fc0cbej18f5104506e50e0e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Joe Dille wrote: > Guys, > > I would like a little favor. ?Toyota is having a design a car graphics > contest for their NASCAR team. ?One of the Quarter Midget drivers (QMA) > has entered a design. ?If he wins they will use the design in the all-star > race. > > Voting is easy, Go to: > > http://www.sponsafier.com/#/gallery/view/88154 > > And click on the VOTE button in the lower right. ?You can vote once a day > per computer. > > Thanks for your support. > > Race Safe, > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > It is Sunday and your an American. Exercise your right to vote. Some people at work are voting from home and work. -- Bobby LeBoutillier From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 12:34:56 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 07:34:56 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Light snow this AM in East Goshen... And My Writing Reflects Total Dispair Message-ID: Dear Esteemed Colleagues and Friends: Following the last Mac Pac breakfast, where it was implied that my writing is generally regarded as insignificant as it is nonsensical, I was compelled to write a serious piece to show I could handle the genr?. So I decided to review a book about motorcycling. The last few words of this review were typed with ?lan (symbolic to me, as the sun was edging over the horizen as I struck the concluding keys), but not without a hint of trepidation as I realized there was no mention of alcohol, pole dancers, women raising their shirts, or fast getaways from bedroom windows. Comments started to appear. It seems that no one really believes that I am in a position to review a book about motorcycling unless I try it. And I want all of you to know that I am not fooled for a minute, and am fully cognizant of the real identity of "Shirley, in Lionville," who today wrote, "As if you would know anyting about a motorcycle," sincerely Shirley Steinbreg, Lionville. This review can be read at: http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/one-of-best-biker-books-ever-written.html -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From darkside at ix.netcom.com Sun Feb 28 12:55:05 2010 From: darkside at ix.netcom.com (Darkside) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 07:55:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Light snow this AM in East Goshen... And My Writing Reflects Total Dispair Message-ID: <5582651.1267361705761.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >From: Jack Riepe >Subject: [MAC-PAC] Light snow this AM in East Goshen... And My Writing Reflects Total Dispair > >Dear Esteemed Colleagues and Friends: > >Following the last Mac Pac breakfast, where it was implied that my >writing is generally regarded as insignificant as it is nonsensical, humor is not insignificant. making people laugh is not insignificant. peace eric From jack.riepe at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 13:35:23 2010 From: jack.riepe at gmail.com (Jack Riepe) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:35:23 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Light snow this AM in East Goshen... And My Writing Reflects Total Dispair In-Reply-To: <5582651.1267361705761.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5582651.1267361705761.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dear Eric: No one seriously said that to me. But Gerry Cavanaugh, Dick Bregstein, and Scott Royer think it. -- Fondest regards, Jack The Lindbergh Baby West Chester, Pa "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still have to be nice to them, at first." ? My Mother, Rita Riepe From wayne at 2zars.com Sun Feb 28 13:48:45 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:48:45 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Light snow this AM in East Goshen... And My Writing Reflects Total Dispair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50tko5tobpvnh70lotta95eqgg7rn8o4qs@4ax.com> > as I realized there was no mention of >alcohol, pole dancers, women raising their shirts, or fast getaways >from bedroom windows. Yawn. That's what it's makes it interesting. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From wayne at 2zars.com Sun Feb 28 13:50:09 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:50:09 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> References: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> Message-ID: <62tko55k5107mo585h65mqrhvknl7uhtfk@4ax.com> >Michael, Euonymus (burning bush) is really quite hardy. I've cut very old >ones and very young ones back to a few inches from the ground and they come >back quite well. Wait to see how well they spring up as they start to leaf >out and then just remove any part that is so unattractive that you can't >live with that part of them. It doesn't take long for them to be eight feet >high again. Roddy. Mine seem to get attacked by scale. I nuke 'em with toxic stuff, but it takes weeks of application and the scale comes back. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 28 14:21:38 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:21:38 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <62tko55k5107mo585h65mqrhvknl7uhtfk@4ax.com> References: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B8A35A2.27975.1180DC1B@localhost> > > >Michael, Euonymus (burning bush) is really quite hardy. I've cut very old > >ones and very young ones back to a few inches from the ground and they come > >back quite well. Wait to see how well they spring up as they start to leaf > >out and then just remove any part that is so unattractive that you can't > >live with that part of them. It doesn't take long for them to be eight feet > >high again. Roddy. > > Mine seem to get attacked by scale. I nuke 'em with toxic stuff, but > it takes weeks of application and the scale comes back. > > I could be wrong, but I believe scale responds well to insecticideal non-toxic soap. The trick is to get them when during the two weeks they are out of their shell for mating. When they are in the shell they are almost bullet proof. http://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/contexts/hidden_taonga/sci_media/video/ scale_insect_lifecycle and http://www.plantsprayers.co.uk/scale.htm Check out the electrical tape trick Spray Safe, Joe --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net Sun Feb 28 14:44:47 2010 From: JOHNCLAUSS at comcast.net (johnclauss%40comcast.net (John Clauss)) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [MAC-PAC] Some investigation into the effect of cell phones on your brain... In-Reply-To: <373b.144991b5.38bb4e8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <58053516.9576351267368287015.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> >Is there a similar change when the driver is talking to a passenger in the >car? Why or why not? Roddy. I have read research that said that most in-car conversations are informal and the brain processing them, as such, placing the more important job (driving) first. You do not often have high power business meetings in a car while driving. However you will see people conducting important business calls on cell phones while driving. The brain has problems assigning priorities and things can slow down for each process. One should not do business on the phone while driving, it leads to bad decisions, pull over and you should be OK. John Clauss K1100RS R75/6 In America we want every one to know about the good works we do, anonymously. - Jay Leno From mjcantwe at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 15:28:26 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:28:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <4B8A35A2.27975.1180DC1B@localhost> References: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> <62tko55k5107mo585h65mqrhvknl7uhtfk@4ax.com> <4B8A35A2.27975.1180DC1B@localhost> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002280728h51b2823en458c1e1c423511d8@mail.gmail.com> Personally, I've had pretty good success controlling scale with dormant oil. http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/INSECT/05569.html From bmwdick at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 21:35:15 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:35:15 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Mid Atlantic Riders BMW Club In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That anti-tank Mama would blow a nice hole in a dyke or is it dike? Doesn't much matter. I'm sure it could do both. On 2/27/10, Alain Kaldewaay wrote: > > Dear Mr. BMW Dick, > > I finally got a hold of your appointment secretary, but she told me she does > not want you to ride with any Dutch people who owns AK47's and M-72 > Anti-tank weapons . I told her I was legal here in the United States, but > she still refused to make the appointment. So it looks like this will be a > solo ride. > > Sincerely, > > DAK > Dangerous Alain KAldewaay > >> Alain: >> My calendar is filling up quickly. Please call my appointment >> secretary to see if we can fit this in. >> BMW-Dick >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ -- Sent from my mobile device BMW-Dick From rogers.george at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 15:58:31 2010 From: rogers.george at gmail.com (Rogers George) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:58:31 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT, I guess: speaking of goats... Message-ID: <1f13c3621002280758v669b762al788a67be1ab4e48c@mail.gmail.com> I'm reading a book about them. Well, about a NYC guy who decided to raise them. Pretty good. Review of it on my blog. Any interest in another goat BBQ this fall? Best wishes, Rogers George Newark, DE http://mushroomstomotorcycles.com <----- here's the blog------------ http://writing-rag.com http://rogersgeorge.com http://serenitytravelnewark.com From douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 17:23:24 2010 From: douglas.t.raymond at gmail.com (Doug Raymond) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:23:24 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT, I guess: speaking of goats... In-Reply-To: <1f13c3621002280758v669b762al788a67be1ab4e48c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f13c3621002280758v669b762al788a67be1ab4e48c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Rogers George wrote: ... > Any interest in another goat BBQ this fall? > Sure! -- -- --------------- Doug Raymond R1150RT '02 Ambler, PA From motorrader at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 17:44:14 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:44:14 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. References: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> Message-ID: <2D790A939E324E81BBEB1B681D0F9E47@dellfe483b726d> > Michael, Euonymus (burning bush) is really quite hardy. I've cut very old > ones and very young ones back to a few inches from the ground and they > come > back quite well. Wait to see how well they spring up as they start to > leaf > out and then just remove any part that is so unattractive that you can't > live with that part of them. It doesn't take long for them to be eight > feet > high again. Roddy. .............or if it doesn't come back to your satisfaction you could always...........burn the bush. tt From motorrader at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 18:10:29 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:10:29 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Sidecar Jazz band......you're going to love this ! Message-ID: <45A69945E89C4FC1AA6291EE4BE0789D@dellfe483b726d> The crazy Sidecar Jazz Band from HOLLYWOOD is at it again... 45 second coffee commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZQ6ii2U5Q I sure hope you enjoyed this as much as I did. Todd Trumbore, sidecar crazy From mjcantwe at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 18:35:05 2010 From: mjcantwe at gmail.com (Michael Cantwell) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:35:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <2D790A939E324E81BBEB1B681D0F9E47@dellfe483b726d> References: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> <2D790A939E324E81BBEB1B681D0F9E47@dellfe483b726d> Message-ID: <8bafeb801002281035s3a958222hca9c3330a8b5c0f9@mail.gmail.com> > .............or if it doesn't come back to your satisfaction you could > always...........burn the bush. Heh hey!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0PIdWdw15U From motorrader at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 19:09:59 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:09:59 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Sidecar Crazy Jazz Band Message-ID: If you enjoyed the last one, here is another video. I emailed the band and told them I was interested in joining. After all , I know I can meet the requirements with the appropriate sidecar AND I can play the...............cymbals, with some practice. :) I'm not expecting a quick response. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOFUE77ryaQ Todd Trumbore Sidecar Crazy, '55 R50 w/ Steib S501 '67 R60/2 w/ Steib TR500 From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 28 19:27:19 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:27:19 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Sidecar Jazz band......you're going to love this ! In-Reply-To: <45A69945E89C4FC1AA6291EE4BE0789D@dellfe483b726d> Message-ID: <4B8A7D47.1728.1298BBC7@localhost> > The crazy Sidecar Jazz Band from HOLLYWOOD is at it again... > 45 second coffee commercial > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZQ6ii2U5Q > >Todd, That was great. This video shows the bikes better. I did not know they made 6V guitars. Ride Safe, Joe > I sure hope you enjoyed this as much as I did. > > Todd Trumbore, sidecar crazy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > > --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us Sun Feb 28 19:32:05 2010 From: joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us (Joe Dille) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:32:05 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Sidecar Jazz band......you're going to love this ! In-Reply-To: <4B8A7D47.1728.1298BBC7@localhost> References: <45A69945E89C4FC1AA6291EE4BE0789D@dellfe483b726d> Message-ID: <4B8A7E65.5029.129D184E@localhost> > > > > The crazy Sidecar Jazz Band from HOLLYWOOD is at it again... > > 45 second coffee commercial > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZQ6ii2U5Q > > > >Todd, > > That was great. This video shows the bikes better. I did not know > they made 6V guitars. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krUOjOmatc&NR=1 Oops... > Ride Safe, > > Joe > > I sure hope you enjoyed this as much as I did. > > > > Todd Trumbore, sidecar crazy > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mac-pac-l mailing list > > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Joe Dille > Telford, PA USA > joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us > What happens on Earth, stays on Earth > http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm > > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > > --------------------------------- Joe Dille Telford, PA USA joe at dille.montgomery.pa.us What happens on Earth, stays on Earth http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm From motorrader at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 19:38:42 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:38:42 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Sidecar Crazy Jazz Band....38th Annual Griffith Park Rally Message-ID: <11A9B9FB5ED8453A90CB2F7B141B2920@dellfe483b726d> Another video, this time it's the 38th Annual Griffith Park Sidecar Rally. And as they say "What's not to like". Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3e2VXzIJUQ From motorrader at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 19:53:47 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:53:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Sidecar Jazz band......you're going to love this ! References: <45A69945E89C4FC1AA6291EE4BE0789D@dellfe483b726d> <4B8A7E65.5029.129D184E@localhost> Message-ID: >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocZQ6ii2U5Q >> >Todd, >> That was great. This video shows the bikes better. I did not know >> they made 6V guitars. >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7krUOjOmatc&NR=1 > Oops... >> Ride Safe, >> Joe Joe, I'm glad you enjoyed the Sidecar Crazy Jazz Band video. Applications are now being accepted to form an east coast, Mid-Atlantic version of the Sidecar Crazy Jazz Band. Oh, a fellow who plays the cymbals has already applied, others more than welcome. That includes Rick, Bill, Jeff and others............don't be shy ! We have a couple of Aussies that graciously volunteered for background vocals :) Todd "Sidecar Crazy" Trumbore From Ducdude at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 20:11:06 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:11:06 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: The Stoogeum, Three Stooges Museum, Spring House, PA References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Trumbore" > About once a month the doors open up to the general public and the > admission > is free. I am told by a fellow coworker that this place is incredible and > well worth a visit. So if you have nothing else going on why don't you > stop > by and see for yourself. > > Sunday 28 February 2010.............10am- 3pm > > http://www.stoogeum.com/ I was there today at 1230 - 1430hrs....COOL STUFF... Highly recommended. Duc (here comes a pie) Dude From motorrader at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 20:55:10 2010 From: motorrader at verizon.net (Todd Trumbore) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:55:10 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: The Stoogeum, Three Stooges Museum, Spring House, PA References: Message-ID: <2604291C2C764AB69C86E8F53E1B6166@dellfe483b726d> >> http://www.stoogeum.com/ > > I was there today at 1230 - 1430hrs....COOL STUFF... > > Highly recommended. > > Duc (here comes a pie) Dude Terrific, glad you enjoyed it. Todd From gary5410 at aol.com Sun Feb 28 21:18:21 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:18:21 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - process to have a new kitchen has begun........ Message-ID: <8CC86D2B0B95ABD-46A4-ED99@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> The process to have a new kitchen has begun......... http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Family/New-Kitchen/IMG0431/799153095_csoR4-M.jpg Finally got a plan & $ together, ordered cabinets. Got a lot of demolition before the rebuilding begins! Gary Christman '07 R 1200 GS Adventure From wayne at 2zars.com Sun Feb 28 22:05:32 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:05:32 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: My turn. In-Reply-To: <4B8A35A2.27975.1180DC1B@localhost> References: <2f18.6e18096d.38bb4994@aol.com> <62tko55k5107mo585h65mqrhvknl7uhtfk@4ax.com> <4B8A35A2.27975.1180DC1B@localhost> Message-ID: >http://www.plantsprayers.co.uk/scale.htm >Check out the electrical tape trick Pretty slick, thanks! After reading, I'm sure I'm trying to nuke them when they are impenetrable. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From rdlebout at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 22:09:58 2010 From: rdlebout at gmail.com (Roberts LeBoutillier) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:09:58 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] MC New helmet technology Super Skin Message-ID: <3f2b32881002281409r793f2295yf2bebeea6ec5e8ac@mail.gmail.com> Simply put, the Super Skin is a flexible membrane wrapped over a gel barrier that allows it to stretch up to eight times its normal length. http://riderinfo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8984 -- Bobby LeBoutillier From wayne at 2zars.com Sun Feb 28 22:11:51 2010 From: wayne at 2zars.com (Wayne Woodruff) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:11:51 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - process to have a new kitchen has begun........ In-Reply-To: <8CC86D2B0B95ABD-46A4-ED99@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC86D2B0B95ABD-46A4-ED99@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4aqlo51u2t1u6vebr7n8rhsvbu4moaakmm@4ax.com> >The process to have a new kitchen has begun......... > >http://gary5410.smugmug.com/Family/New-Kitchen/IMG0431/799153095_csoR4-M.jpg > > >Finally got a plan & $ together, ordered cabinets. Got a lot of >demolition before the rebuilding begins! > Congrats and keep us up to date on the progress! I took the 'easy' route. Granite countertops, reface the cabinets, soon-to-be completed new floor. Floor is down, the only thing remaining is the trim to hide the expansion gap. Two kidney stones (passed another at 5AM today), painful One trip to the ER, $50 co-pay Look on wife's face when it's done, priceless. Wayne Woodruff: http://www.2zars.com Photoblog: http://2zars.blogspot.com From gary5410 at aol.com Sun Feb 28 22:34:17 2010 From: gary5410 at aol.com (Gary Christman) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:34:17 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT - process to have a new kitchen has begun........ In-Reply-To: <4aqlo51u2t1u6vebr7n8rhsvbu4moaakmm@4ax.com> References: <8CC86D2B0B95ABD-46A4-ED99@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> <4aqlo51u2t1u6vebr7n8rhsvbu4moaakmm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <8CC86DD4BD5B6BD-46A4-FAD1@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com> Ouch! <> Gary Christman From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 23:27:08 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:27:08 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Since that hiking trail is closed Message-ID: Maybe Chris should take a shot at this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsYNFhO6c8g (WS) You can even ride a bike on this one. I do wonder what it was constructed for. There is a sign post at the end. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 23:31:25 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:31:25 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT: Don't NEED a kitchen remodel this way. Message-ID: British PSA on kitchen grease fires. Don't throw water on a grease fire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZGzbd0IvUE (WS) And the kitchen remodel would be the "easy" part of it..... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From bmwbrian at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 23:42:00 2010 From: bmwbrian at gmail.com (Brian Curry) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:42:00 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Now THIS explains a LOT. Ignorance truly is bliss Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/health/011800hth-behavior-incompetents.html (WS article) It even has a "professional name" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect (WS) And they all can vote... Which explains even more. Then there are those that are elected.... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ambassador BMW MOA | Brian Curry | Is Getting Old, Getting Old? "DEERsSLAYER" | Aging Factors Can be Stopped K75RTs both coasts | Find out more about it at Chester Springs PA | http://www.nsevideos.com From Ducdude at verizon.net Sun Feb 28 19:54:47 2010 From: Ducdude at verizon.net (Eric Ducdude) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:54:47 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Avg cycle ride.. Message-ID: For the MacPac: This is Riepe's next ride For the Blue Ridge Runners: This is Earle's pick for the May run: For the Marpadels: This is the path to Gary's House at the MWBBF http://wimp.com/scarytrail/ Cheers Eric From bmwdick at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 15:44:26 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:44:26 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Light snow this AM in East Goshen... And My Writing Reflects Total Dispair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Jack: The last time I rode with Egan he made me promise that I would stop you if you ever wanted to write about him. I'm glad I failed. Nice review although I heard that Pinnacle Pete and Crass Clyde were disappointed by the lack of your more common use of more common language and the lack of T&A pix. On 2/28/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Esteemed Colleagues and Friends: > > Following the last Mac Pac breakfast, where it was implied that my > writing is generally regarded as insignificant as it is nonsensical, I > was compelled to write a serious piece to show I could handle the > genr?. So I decided to review a book about motorcycling. The last few > words of this review were typed with ?lan (symbolic to me, as the sun > was edging over the horizen as I struck the concluding keys), but not > without a hint of trepidation as I realized there was no mention of > alcohol, pole dancers, women raising their shirts, or fast getaways > from bedroom windows. Comments started to appear. It seems that no one > really believes that I am in a position to review a book about > motorcycling unless I try it. > > And I want all of you to know that I am not fooled for a minute, and > am fully cognizant of the real identity of "Shirley, in Lionville," > who today wrote, "As if you would know anyting about a motorcycle," > sincerely Shirley Steinbreg, Lionville. > > This review can be read at: > http://jackriepe.blogspot.com/2010/02/one-of-best-biker-books-ever-written.html > > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack > The Lindbergh Baby > West Chester, Pa > > "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still > have to be nice to them, at first." > ? My Mother, Rita Riepe > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Sent from my mobile device BMW-Dick Bipartisanship is when both parties work together to destroy the country. From bmwdick at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 15:50:35 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:50:35 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] Light snow this AM in East Goshen... And My Writing Reflects Total Dispair In-Reply-To: References: <5582651.1267361705761.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Dear jack: You got wrong, what we thought is that although occasionally entertaining, you are insignificant. Loved your serious piece; cut it out! On 2/28/10, Jack Riepe wrote: > Dear Eric: > > No one seriously said that to me. But Gerry Cavanaugh, Dick Bregstein, > and Scott Royer think it. > > -- > Fondest regards, > Jack > The Lindbergh Baby > West Chester, Pa > > "Not everyone you meet is going to be riding a K75... And you still > have to be nice to them, at first." > ? My Mother, Rita Riepe > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Sent from my mobile device BMW-Dick Bipartisanship is when both parties work together to destroy the country. From bmwdick at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 16:26:50 2010 From: bmwdick at gmail.com (Dick) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:26:50 -0500 Subject: [MAC-PAC] OT, I guess: speaking of goats... In-Reply-To: <1f13c3621002280758v669b762al788a67be1ab4e48c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f13c3621002280758v669b762al788a67be1ab4e48c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Naaaaah Just kidding. A goat BBQ sounds great. Can you save the stomach, eyeballs and genitals for haggis? On 2/28/10, Rogers George wrote: > I'm reading a book about them. Well, about a NYC guy who decided to > raise them. Pretty good. Review of it on my blog. > > Any interest in another goat BBQ this fall? > > Best wishes, > Rogers George > Newark, DE > http://mushroomstomotorcycles.com <----- here's the blog------------ > http://writing-rag.com > http://rogersgeorge.com > http://serenitytravelnewark.com > _______________________________________________ > Mac-pac-l mailing list > Mac-pac-l at jtan.com > http://mailman.jtan.com/mailman/listinfo/mac-pac-l > -- Sent from my mobile device BMW-Dick Bipartisanship is when both parties work together to destroy the country.